Tuesday, January 4, 2000
© 2000 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Gail (William).
Elias arrives at 1:26 PM. (Arrival time is 28 seconds)
ELIAS: Good morning!
GAIL: Good morning, Elias. (Elias chuckles) Well, as I’m sure you heard, I want this conversation to be different than normal. I mean, I’m not sure why, other than I would like it to be more on a friend-to-friend term as opposed to a teacher/student term. I do have some questions that I’m curious about, but for the most part, I would like it to different.
ELIAS: Very well.
GAIL: Well, let’s see. This is kind of strange for me! (Laughing) I mean, I have feelings that it used to be like this, where it was much more, for me, relaxed, and I would like it to be that way. Do you understand what I’m talking about?
ELIAS: Quite, and we may engage in conversation, if you are so choosing. What shall we converse of this day? Which direction would you be pleased with in your incorporation this day?
GAIL: Well, let’s see. Maybe I’d like to talk about something that I enjoy, which is photography. I definitely like that, and I’ve been doing a little bit of it. It seems to ... I guess I allow it to take me into directions that make me happy, taking pictures of nature and people and animals and that kind of thing. I’m interested in doing a little bit more of that.
ELIAS: And allowing your expression of creativity and your incorporation of interconnectedness, for this allows you an avenue in objective terms of exhibiting in physical terms a lessening of separation, for it allows you the opportunity to be communing with or engaging empathically with your subject matter without actually assuming the empathic experience, which moves you in a different direction than is familiar to you in this empathic sense, is it not?
GAIL: I can say yes, and I’m not quite sure. I mean, I’m not quite sure what you’re saying, ‘cause I don’t know that I’ve felt that yet. I mean, I feel that I like the spontaneity, like taking the pictures of the little girl on the beach with her dog. I really like that.
ELIAS: What I am expressing to you, William, is, this is a new avenue of exploration, not merely with your creativity, but also in your expression of your empathic sense, which you exercise quite easily, but your empathic sense is not always felt in the manner that you are accustomed to. This that you are familiar with in engaging your empathic sense creates a situation in which you are moving yourself into mergence of such an extent that you are assuming the experience of any other element within your reality — be it another individual or a creature or even a plant — as though it were your own experience. This [other] type of activity allows you the opportunity to be incorporating elements of your creative expressions, and allows you to continue to be exercising your empathic sense without assuming the experience of the other individual — or the subject matter, so to speak — as though it were your own experience. Therefore, you allow yourself to expand your incorporation of your empathic sense, bringing to your creativity a new element of dimension, so to speak.
GAIL: Hmm. Well, I’ll keep going in that avenue and trying to ... I’m trying to feel the difference. I do know what you mean, like if I can connect with someone and I do feel what they’re feeling and I do take it on as my own, it’s hard for me to separate the feeling.
ELIAS: I am not expressing to you that you be examining this action that you have incorporated, for if you are moving your attention in this type of direction, you are also incorporating altering the experience, and the experience presently is offering you pleasure and a free flow of your creativity. Therefore, I am suggesting to you not to be clouding this by examination of what you are engaging within your empathic sense, but merely allow yourself the recognition that you are expanding your avenues of exploration in your abilities, and you may be acknowledging of yourself in your incorporation of this action.
GAIL: Well, I do want to just simply have fun. I am so tired of (sighing) thinking about things and dissecting them and analyzing them. This definitely gives me the ... I guess I give myself the permission to have fun with it, and not be so structured with it.
ELIAS: Ha ha! And be playful!
GAIL: Yeah, that’s true. That’s something I would like to do.
ELIAS: This offers you an opportunity to incorporate this action, and allows you a time framework to be relaxing and allowing a free flow of energy. It also offers you the opportunity to view how often and how intensely you do incorporate the analyzation of all of your reality, which — I shall be in agreement with you — may be quite exhausting within physical focus! Ha ha ha ha!
GAIL: Boy, I’ll say! (Laughing) Let’s see ... well, I do want to say, because this pops into my head, I get like little flashes of when I was young, and for some reason ... I don’t know if I’m like correlating this to a movie or not, but you would just kinda like appear and come out of a ... this sounds silly, but out of like a corn field, and come over and sit, and we would just sit and talk like this. Is this ... am I recollecting this right, or am I just like creating fantasy?
ELIAS: This is not fantasy. This is a recalling in imagery — imagery that you have assigned to an action which has occurred within consciousness and within energy — and your translation of this is to be assigning a physical scenario of imagery. But it is not wrong....
GAIL: Yeah, I understand that. I understand that it’s not wrong. It’s just that I wasn’t sure if it was like dream imagery, so I could understand what I was connecting with.
ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes, but also be remembering that your dream imagery is quite real. It is not contrived, so to speak. What you incorporate as imagination is imagery that you create, in reality, of reality. It is merely a translation of different movements of reality within consciousness. Therefore, it is not incorrect. It is the imagery that you have assigned to it in your translation.
How goes your interaction within your relationship?
GAIL: Well, I have to say, sometimes it’s kind of this push-pull thing. Lately I feel like I have another aspect around quite often. So, it’s like I connect with Danny, and sometimes I don’t want to connect with him, and I connect with him, and I don’t want to connect with him. It’s really a strange kind of push-pull thing, but overall I definitely love that guy! He’s very encouraging and inspiring, and I enjoy being with him a whole lot, ‘cause it’s like when I am with him, it’s like nothing else bothers me.
ELIAS: And you are experiencing no conflict?
GAIL: Yeah, none! I mean, it’s just really, really strange to not have ... I mean, in the time, in our linear time, that we’ve been together, like a year-and-a-half, we’ve not had like one argument or disagreement or anything, and I really just enjoy that immensely, and he seems to understand me, and we can connect on all kinds of levels.
ELIAS: And how are you incorporating your individual exploration?
GAIL: My individual exploration? What do you mean?
ELIAS: In relation to self, in conjunction with this wave in consciousness.
GAIL: Well, I’m sure as you know, I have another yeast infection, and I’m not quite sure ... I mean, I know that it’s fear, but I wasn’t sure if it was connected to my parents coming out here soon, or if was connected to the little situation I created over the weekend with Danny’s brother and his father ... I’m not sure, but it’s definitely bubbling to the surface.
ELIAS: (Chuckling) And what is your assessment of this situation in light of our discussion previously?
GAIL: Well, I was reading a transcript, the last one of our session together, and we talked about openness and vulnerability, and I think I put myself into a situation where I felt vulnerable and too open, so I realized like a day later that I had shut myself down. It took me a little while to realize what I did, but yeah, I think it was the fear of somebody not accepting me, and knowing that he’s a mirror to my own feelings about myself. But I’m not quite sure what I don’t accept about myself.
ELIAS: I shall express to you that there are many areas in which you may be viewing elements of a lack of acceptance, in like manner to all other individuals within your planet. But I shall also express to you that in this particular creation that you incorporate, we have spoken of your response to vulnerability and your openness, and your responses within the action of this wave in consciousness.
And in this, let me also express to you that it is not merely the incorporation of relationship with this one individual that creates within your beliefs a response in energy and reaction, so to speak, but also the idea of relationships with other individuals.
And in this, there are other aspects of the belief systems that are incorporated, and this moves you many times in a direction of creating physical affectingness within yourself in a type of blocking in some areas, but in some areas, it is also a type of punishment and a type of protection simultaneously.
GAIL: I’m punishing myself and leaving myself open at the same time?
ELIAS: You are incorporating many different actions simultaneously. There are underlying elements that are occurring in conjunction with beliefs. I may express to you that the one element that is common within all of the incorporations of aspects of beliefs is the assessment of self and the acceptance of self in that assessment, but in this, there are other aspects of relationships and of sexuality that are being incorporated all simultaneously.
In the belief system of relationships, you incorporate aspects of loyalty and aspects of betrayal, in which you hold strongly to your identification and your definitions of these terms. Therefore, in the direction of loyalty, you incorporate a strong expression to be enacting that action that you define as loyalty, and you also incorporate a strength in energy to be repelling of other types of expressions such as what you identify as betrayal. Betrayal may not necessarily, in your alignment with beliefs, be an actual physical expression. Betrayal within your definition may also incorporate thoughts and emotional expressions.
GAIL: Yeah, that’s probably true. That’s that whole push-pull thing I’ve got going inside of me, huh?
GAIL: Is that another aspect, or is that just myself within this belief system doing this push-pull thing?
ELIAS: This is not another aspect of you ... although we may address to that subject matter also, if you are so choosing. But in this particular expression, this is not another aspect of you.
This is your allowance of yourself to be viewing certain responses that you hold in the influence of beliefs that you align with, and this offers you the opportunity to view your individual behaviors and creations and responses, and how these aspects of beliefs are affecting of what you are creating within your reality.
Therefore, as you allow yourself the creations of certain physical affectingnesses, you also gain your attention, and as you turn your attention to what you have created, you allow yourself to be moving into the direction of allowing yourself to identify and recognize the aspects of beliefs that are influencing of these creations, and the initial movement in that direction is what you are experiencing in what you identify as the push-pull, for you are beginning to be recognizing that there are different aspects of belief systems which are at play simultaneously, and they may not be in harmony with each other. You may have very different aspects of beliefs incorporated simultaneously, and this creates a type of tug, so to speak.
GAIL: Yeah. I know I’ve thought about this. I know that I believe that if you’re in a relationship, you’re committed to that person, so you’re not with anyone else, but we’ve talked about the fact that I’m not in prison and he is, and that I will consider being with someone else. But it’s like those belief systems are coming into play, and there is a definite push-pull to be loyal. But there’s another — I don’t know what you call it — side of me that says it’s okay to be with someone else, and it’s just an expression of emotion.
ELIAS: Quite, and these are the differences in beliefs that you are beginning a recognition of, and this creates this push-pull.
GAIL: Is that why I’ve created this infection?
ELIAS: Yes, for you are creating the physical effect in energy as you are creating this struggle, so to speak, between different aspects of beliefs.
One element of you incorporates a desire to be accepting of self and incorporating the recognition objectively that your choices are choices, and that they do not in themselves attach to right or wrong.
Therefore, within your thought process, you have incorporated this philosophy, so to speak, but within other expressions of beliefs that you do continue to align with, there is quite a different expression which is also incorporated and expressed. Therefore, you are incorporating both elements simultaneously, and this is creating a conflict and a struggle.
GAIL: So, is it more that I have to choose one over the other?
ELIAS: No. This is the action which you move into to allow yourself the incorporation of acceptance. It is not a situation of choosing black or white, either/or. It is also not a creation of eliminating one belief or changing one belief....
GAIL: It’s accepting that I carry both beliefs?
ELIAS: It is the recognition that they ARE beliefs, and within themselves, they are neutral. It is the attachment of duplicity which alters that neutrality and attaches judgments of good and bad.
And in this, the acceptance is not the elimination of either/or, but the recognition that you DO incorporate both, that it IS acceptable for you to be incorporating many different beliefs and different aspects of beliefs — it IS acceptable for you to be incorporating emotional qualities in ANY expression, it IS acceptable for you to be incorporating thought processes in ANY manner — and that you need not be attaching the judgments to them.
This is also an opportunity for you to be examining your definitions of your terms, your incorporation of your absolutes, for the conflict arises in the either/or expression, and the either/or expression arises as you hold absolutes in definitions.
Your definition of loyalty is an absolute. Your definition of betrayal is an absolute. These become absolutes in opposition to that which you view as an acceptance of self.
GAIL: I’m not sure I understand. I mean, I’m understanding that I hold both ideas, and the idea of both of those is very duplicitous, and if I allow myself to acknowledge that I view both of them, both perspectives....?
ELIAS: Let me express in this manner to you, William. Your definition of acceptance of self also moves in the direction of an absolute, for the definition of the acceptance of self, as it is camouflaged — not in its actuality, but as it is camouflaged in conjunction with duplicity — is that as you incorporate a complete acceptance of self, you move in a direction of expressing to self that the incorporation of other individuals’ perceptions matters not.
GAIL: Hmm. So I’m concerned ... well, I am concerned about Danny’s response to what I choose to do.
GAIL: Is that what you’re saying?
ELIAS: I am viewing the direction that you are moving into with what I have just offered to you, and this is slightly off the mark.
GAIL: Okay! (Laughing)
ELIAS: I am not expressing to you that you are concerning yourself with the perception of another individual ... although you are.
GAIL: Yeah, I am.
ELIAS: But this is not the point.
ELIAS: The point is that the definition of your idea of self-acceptance is that if you are incorporating self-acceptance, the perceptions of other individuals shall matter not to you. This is an incorrect definition.
GAIL: Okay. Good! (Laughing)
ELIAS: My expression to you all is not that acceptance of self shall eliminate your caring, in your physical terms, of the perception of other individuals, or that you shall no longer hold an opinion or a thought or an assessment or an emotional quality in conjunction with the perception of other individuals, but that you shall not place judgment upon the perception of other individuals, nor shall you place judgment upon yourself in your assessment of self or in your choices.
Therefore, I am not expressing to you that you shall become unresponsive or incorporate a lack of emotion or thought or opinion in the incorporation of acceptance of self or of your beliefs.
You are not eliminating self and you are not eliminating beliefs. You are moving in the direction of acceptance, and the acceptance is merely the lack of judgment. It is not the lack of emotion. It is not the lack of thought. It is not the lack of philosophy or opinion or choices. It is the lack of judgment in the midst of the incorporation of all of those elements of your reality.
GAIL: Hmm. Well, no wonder that stood out so strong in Danny’s and my conversation last night, when he used that word judgment. I think I definitely judge myself harder than anybody does.
ELIAS: Ah, and many individuals may rival you in this particular expression! You are all quite accomplished at incorporating extreme judgment in the direction of self.
ELIAS: Let me also be reminding you, William, any expression that you may be creating in judgment of any situation or any other individual that you perceive to be outside of you is expressed in fraction of what you shall express within self, for any expression of judgment outwardly is a mirror of the judgment that you incorporate inwardly.
GAIL: Hmm. Wow.
ELIAS: Without the judgment that is incorporated inwardly, there is no expression of judgment outwardly.
GAIL: Hmm. Well, that’s definitely gonna give me a lot to think about, and what’s really interesting is, when I’m listening to you, I’m trying to take in all this information, but I like hear this other little voice in the background like talking to me, and it’s just very distracting, and I hope I soak in all of this stuff that you’re telling me at some point in time, ‘cause I feel sometimes overloaded with information.
ELIAS: I am quite recognizing of what you are expressing, and in this, I am also understanding of what you are expressing presently. You shall assimilate this information, and there is no expectation that you be assimilating the information now.
GAIL: Well, maybe not from you, but definitely from myself. (Elias chuckles) I think I’ve always kind of held that.
ELIAS: But in this, recognize your distraction, for this distraction is not what you may identify as a negative. It is beneficial, and it is yourself incorporating a lightness in the face, so to speak, of this information. It is a recognition of yourself, in not incorporating the familiar of seriousness and the tremendous expectation that you place upon self to be immediately assimilating objectively all that you input within self.
GAIL: I’ve always done that.
ELIAS: Ah, but how have you approached this day in this conversation? In your expression to myself that you wish to be incorporating a difference and that you wish to be not engaging in this heaviness.
GAIL: No, I don’t.
ELIAS: Therefore, I am acknowledging to you that you are incorporating quite well, for you are allowing yourself to be listening, participating in the conversation, and assimilating some of the information which is offered, and storing some of the information, so to speak. (Chuckling)
GAIL: Yeah, I definitely realize that I’ve done that all my life, just constantly put pressure on myself to know more and understand more faster than I seem to be able to take it in.
ELIAS: Listen to yourself in this, for this also is an example of how you may be turning your attention and allowing yourself more of an incorporation of acceptance, for your movement into the want objectively of incorporating information immediately or faster is the expression of your assessment of better.
GAIL: Yeah, I know. I know that one!
ELIAS: In this, you are already best.
GAIL: Is that the new puppy? (Laughing, as the dog is barking loudly and the bird is squawking, and Elias laughs) It sounds beautiful.
ELIAS: Allow yourself to be offering yourself permission to not be pushing so very intensely!
GAIL: Yeah, I know. Gee, I feel it in my body! (Laughing)
ELIAS: Allow yourself to be relaxing and continuing to be incorporating fun!
GAIL: Yeah, it’s not something I’m used to. I’m gonna work on it.
ELIAS: Ha ha! Ah, but this is the action of this shift in consciousness, to be moving into expressions of unfamiliarity!
GAIL: Oh yeah! Boy! Leaps and bounds! (Laughing) Well, I noticed that our New Year went off just fine. It was funny!
ELIAS: As was predicted. (Grinning)
GAIL: Yes. It was very interesting to feel the intensity when I went into the market though, and to walk out and recognize that feeling of fear. I mean, it’s something I’m familiar with, but it took me a while to like pick up on it. It’s like, wow!
ELIAS: It is quite interesting and it is quite fascinating to be watching the movement of energy in its intensity that you may collectively be creating in physical focus, and how intensely this may be affecting of you objectively, even within the time frameworks that you are objectively opposing the movement of the energy.
GAIL: Hmm. Is there anything that you would like to say to Danny?
ELIAS: You may offer my encouragement to this individual, and you may also offer my greetings.
GAIL: He’s a pretty wonderful guy.
ELIAS: I am not moving into a direction of intrusiveness, and therefore you may merely incorporate my greetings.
GAIL: Okay, I will. (Elias chuckles) Well, I do have one question for my wee one that’s laying over here, and I think it’s okay that I ask this. I was very curious about what’s going on with her back, since it’s been hurting her for so long. (Pause)
ELIAS: I shall express to you the invitation that Lanyah may be incorporating this questioning herself, if she is so choosing.
GAIL: So it is the idea of not wanting to know quite yet?
ELIAS: Not listening quite yet.
GAIL: Okay, alright. Well, I’m doing the mom thing and trying to encourage, but you know, they step when they want to step, huh?
ELIAS: You are correct ...
GAIL: Okay, I got that one loud and clear!
ELIAS: ... as with you all! (Chuckling)
GAIL: Oh yeah! Hmm! (Elias chuckles)
Well, I’ve enjoyed our conversation and your helpfulness in this, and I just want to tell you that I care about you a lot.
ELIAS: I extend my affection to you, and I also offer to you energy from myself in a continuation of encouragement.
In this, be recognizing that you are merely struggling with self in different expressions simultaneously, but you are also offering yourself tremendous opportunities, and although I hold an awareness that many of you view this term of “opportunity” to be an annoyance recently, I shall continue to express to you that in the presentment of opportunities, you also offer yourselves freedom and you offer yourselves the lack of limitation, and therefore a movement into widening of awareness. And this, within your very strong beliefs, may be viewed as positive!
GAIL: Okay! (Laughing)
ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha!
GAIL: Yeah, that good old term! (Elias chuckles) Well, I’m sure it’s time for Mary to come back. I’ve been feeling her. Is that right?
ELIAS: I shall be compliant.
ELIAS: In this, you may also offer my greetings to Lanyah.
GAIL: Alright, I will.
ELIAS: To you in lovingness this day, au revoir.
GAIL: Thank you. Bye.
Elias departs at 2:19 PM.
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