Monday, November 13, 2000 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Leslie (Margaret).
Elias arrives at 12:20 p.m. (Arrival time is 24 seconds)
ELIAS: Good morning!
LESLIE: (Giggling) Good morning!
ELIAS: (Chuckling) We meet again!
LESLIE: Yep!
ELIAS: (Chuckling) And what shall we discuss this day?
LESLIE: Well, let’s see. We’ll start with the bypass.
ELIAS: Very well.
LESLIE: I need to understand something. Each time I went
to the doctor, I wasn’t thinking there was really anything wrong, and each
time I went, it kept getting worse. Finally, the bottom line was/is,
I had the bypass. Now, when ... and it really annoyed me! (Laughing,
and Elias chuckles) You knew that, huh! It was kinda like when
you had me do homework — it was that kind of annoyance.
ELIAS: I am aware! (Chuckling)
LESLIE: So at any rate, when I said to you, “Let’s go to work”
— when I went to sleep before the surgery and I said, “We need to do some
work”?
ELIAS: I am aware.
LESLIE: Okay. I’m not exactly sure ... at no time did it
occur to me that I was ready to disengage. Things were very clear
then, when all this was going on with the surgery and during the surgery,
what little I remember, and you were there the whole time, huh?
ELIAS: Yes.
LESLIE: Yes. It was not a big deal. It was just an
experience.
ELIAS: This has provided you, in your own creation, with an excellent
example.
Now; may you recall with me in this moment another incident/event that
you created previously that you would view as a small example, in which
in a moment of what you term to be physically hurting yourself ... are
you recalling?
LESLIE: Yes. The knife and the finger. (reference )
ELIAS: Yes. In that moment, you held a clarity. Are
you remembering?
LESLIE: Yes.
ELIAS: And in that event which you presented to yourself, you
held no conflict, no fear, and were merely allowing yourself to watch and
observe a choice that you had engaged, and in that observance, you allowed
yourself to step back, in a manner of speaking, momentarily from all of
the influences of many of the strong beliefs that may have influenced you
and your perception in that moment.
Now; you have created this situation in a similar type of manner as
an example in more extreme, but this has also been quite purposeful to
you. For in the extreme that you created this example, you have allowed
yourself to view this as an event that has permeated all of your focus,
all of the areas of your focus.
It is affecting of you in manners that extend beyond merely the actual
physical body affectingness, but has also allowed you to view other involvements,
such as how you interact with all of the individuals participating with
you, how they interact with you, your own fears, your own beliefs, your
own behaviors. It has offered you an example, that you may view and
examine all of these different expressions within yourself that you automatically
and continuously engage.
Now; you have also allowed yourself movement in this experience in similar
manner to the experience that you created with your finger, allowing yourself,
figuratively speaking, to step back and observe what you are creating.
In this, at times you experienced frustration or annoyance with this
situation in its progression. Now; the reason that you experienced
the frustration and the annoyance is an expression in conjunction with
your association with time.
Now; this also is another factor that is significant in all of your
symbology in this particular creation. It has offered you a tremendous
volume of information, and an opportunity to witness objectively your own
responses and behaviors in relation to many different aspects of your beliefs.
This also, in like manner to many, many, many other individuals presently,
is a creation that you have chosen objectively in movement with this wave
in consciousness addressing to the belief system of duplicity, allowing
you to view different aspects of your own expressions in automatic responses
in relation to this particular belief system.
In this, in like manner to many other individuals presently, you have
allowed yourself, in a manner of speaking, to be objectively confronting
the aspect of this belief which expresses itself in the identification
of victim, and all that you view to be out of your control and not actually
chosen by you, but chosen about you and chosen for you.
Each time an individual creates a response within their perception that
they assess any aspect of their reality is being created FOR them and that
they are not CHOOSING that creation, the individual is automatically also
expressing some identification and association with the aspect of victim.
In this, many individuals, and yourself also, have and are and continue
to be presenting this bird in all of its fullness to themselves, through
the action of creating clear, specific, objective and significant events
and actions, to be offering themselves clear examples of the automatic
movement into this association as a victim, and how that role denies you
all of your choices.
Now; in this, let me also express to you an acknowledgment, for you
are correct that you moved yourself through a process, allowing yourself
to be creating interactions with other individuals, with yourself, with
your own behaviors, with the responses of other individuals, and with your
own responses in relation to your creations within your physical body.
Now; understand that I hold the awareness that you present all of these
examples to yourself. But within the process of offering yourself
all of these examples, you are not necessarily also offering yourself an
objective understanding or a clarity as to what you are creating and why
you are creating in those moments; not that you may not be, but in discussing
this particular event and your particular situation, realistically speaking,
you were not entirely allowing yourself a clarity and an objective understanding
of all that you were creating, but this matters not.
For you are moving yourself NOW into more of an objective awareness
and understanding of what you have chosen, and an element — a strong element
— of that awareness began in the moment prior to the event of the surgery,
in which you allowed yourself to relax and move WITH your energy rather
than forcing energy or opposing energy.
At that moment, you are correct — you called to myself for the interaction
of my energy with you, and in that moment, you allowed yourself to relax
and to not be holding to your energy so tightly, and allowed yourself to
flow WITH your creation rather than opposing your creation.
This is a significant movement. This is a significant action that
you allowed yourself to be creating, for it also has been significantly
influencing of your movement subsequent to the choice of engaging this
surgery. Your movement has been easier than you may have created
it were you not allowing yourself that action of relaxation.
In your terms, it may almost be likened to an association of resignation
... ALMOST, for the term of resignation is suggestive that you are surrendering
aspects of your movement or your power or your choice to something else.
But in this, in actuality, what you have allowed yourself is that surrender
to self — that resignation to self — to be moving WITH rather than judging
and moving against, in a manner of speaking.
Now; this has all provided you with many examples of your own choices,
your own movements, your own behaviors, and your interactions with other
individuals.
In this, you have allowed yourself to move into a closer proximity to
the expression of “it matters not,” which you are aware of, are you not?
LESLIE: Yes.
ELIAS: This may be quite encouraging to you, for that expression
of “it matters not” is the expression of acceptance.
Acceptance is not without emotion, or even without opinion. But
it IS without judgment, which allows for much more of an openness and a
free flow of energy, and this is what you are moving yourself into and
what you are allowing as you have created this action.
Let me express to you, Margaret, throughout your focus, as you are aware,
you have chosen to create excitement and drama in many, many, many experiences.
This is the manner in which you choose to move.
But you also have sought out objective information — such as that which
I present or that which Seth has presented or other essences have offered
— and as you allow yourself the objective acquisition of that information,
in part you have moved in an expression of judgment in relation to yourself.
As you allow yourself to view your own movements and your own choices
and your own behaviors throughout your focus, and you view the association
of drama or extreme or excitement, you judge those choices as being unenlightened,
and as being aspects of yourself that need be changed to be displaying
more calm and more of what you perceive to be an evenness of movement.
In this experience that you have presented to yourself, the expression
of resignation that you have offered yourself — which is significant —
is a relaxing and a surrender to yourself that this is your natural inclination
in how you create your individual reality, and this is acceptable.
You need not be continuing to compare yourself with other individuals,
and view yourself as “less than” or others as “better than” in their choice
of movement. For they may not choose to be creating in the type of
drama that you create, but drama is not bad. It is merely a different
choice.
In this, you have allowed yourself to momentarily view that how you
create is also acceptable. It is merely a different expression, and
it needs not be the same as other individuals. That does not designate
it as wrong. (Pause)
Are you understanding?
LESLIE: Yes, because it cleared up a lot of other things as well.
The other thing that it did is, it brought Margaret and I together.
ELIAS: I am quite understanding.
LESLIE: It’s not as separate. I’m not gonna say that once
in a while I don’t do it, but it’s not very often now. It’s kind
of a “we” thing. I don’t separate the two now.
ELIAS: And as you continue in this movement, the “we” shall become
the “I.”
LESLIE: Ah!
ELIAS: And that shall be the disassembling of the remaining separation
within your perception of yourself and essence. It shall move into
merely the “I” and not the “we.”
But this is significant movement that you have created, for as we spoke
previously, you had been creating a perception in tremendous separation
of yourself and this “entity” of essence. (Chuckling)
LESLIE: I know, I know! (Laughing)
ELIAS: And this has been greatly decreased and lessened in your
association with yourself, and how wondrous is that in offering you much
more freedom!
LESLIE: I didn’t understand completely the surgery — why that
was necessary. But after the information you provided, it makes a
good deal of sense now, in the things that it accomplished.
ELIAS: Quite, and be remembering, there is an automatic association
that the creation that you have engaged is bad, is negative, is a malfunction
... which as any element is associated to be malfunctioning, it is certainly
not good!
And as you create those automatic expressions and associations with
your choice to be creating this event, you are fighting with your own creation,
for you are continuously creating judgments, expressing to yourself that
this is unacceptable, that it is bad.
And it becomes worse as you move through the process and you are engaging
the medical profession and your physicians, and beyond this, it becomes
even worse again, that you engage this action of agreeing to be participating
in surgery. Oh my! We have moved into MANY expressions of worse
and worse and worse as we proceed!
LESLIE: I know! That’s what happened! (Laughing)
ELIAS: But in this, the information that you are offering to yourself
— that you may begin to view now — is that it is not worse and worse and
worse. They are merely choices, and it matters not. There is
no necessity for judgment.
You have chosen to create an action. You have chosen to create
a physical affectingness within your physical body. It is not good
or bad or right or wrong. It is merely a creation. It is neutral
in itself, and YOU have chosen it. No other aspect of consciousness
has chosen it for you. Therefore, you are not a victim.
Why shall you create any aspect of your reality and fight with what
you have created? YOU have chosen it!
LESLIE: That’s true.
ELIAS: But you fight with it, for you do not believe that you
have chosen it. You believe you have CREATED it, but you do not believe
you have CHOSEN it.
LESLIE: Oh! Oh, oh, oh! (Laughing)
ELIAS: Therefore, you create the struggle and the fight within
you.
But in this, you allow yourself to view this resignation, which is the
relaxing and the recognizing that you are not merely creating any event
or action within your focus, but you are CHOOSING to be creating that.
Therefore, you are not a victim, and therefore, you also offer yourself
the freedom to be moving WITH your creation, and choosing many other avenues
in association with it. (Pause)
LESLIE: Oh, it’s much clearer now. That’s cool, though!
ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha!
LESLIE: Now, when I said, “Well, if this is the way it’s gonna
be, it’s gonna be,” I didn’t consider myself a victim, did I? Or
at that point, did I?
ELIAS: No.
Now; this is what I am expressing to you. You have allowed yourself,
in the moment prior to the actual surgery — in which you relaxed and in
which you created that movement of resignation to self — and in that moment,
you moved yourself much closer to the genuine expression of “it matters
not,” and as you created that action, you also began to allow yourself
the freedom to not be a victim, and to discontinue that role and choose
another role and choose another action.
LESLIE: Yeah. Since the surgery, many, many, many things
have changed.
ELIAS: Quite!
LESLIE: Many things, too many to even go into. You covered
them very well. I’m getting into individual, real stuff. You
know what I’m saying? But yes, it was my way of telling myself, my
message to me or something like that or however you want to put it.
Whatever it was, it worked very well.
ELIAS: Quite! (Chuckling)
LESLIE: You know what, though? When I came out of the surgery
— the time I had the tube down my throat?
ELIAS: Yes.
LESLIE: I kept grabbing for air. I kept grabbing my hand
in the air, like grabbing for something, and I said, “You can breath, just
relax,” and I was able to. But ever since the surgery, I’m doing
the same with the breathing now, where I can’t seem to get my breath.
Why have I incorporated that into my life? Am I supposed to be
paying attention when this happens?
ELIAS: Yes.
LESLIE: I’ve been trying to associate the breathing with something
that is going on at the moment, but I’m not sure, you know? Is that
what’s happening?
ELIAS: Allow yourself to be paying attention to this action, for
this also is significant. This is a reminder to you.
You presented yourself with another objective example in that action,
in your physical incorporation within hospital of the tube, which you viewed
in that moment to be an obstruction, a barrier, an obstacle, in a manner
of speaking, that obstructed your ability to be engaging breathing freely.
Are you following thus far?
LESLIE: Yes.
ELIAS: Now; subsequently you have created a similar type of action
without the tube within your breathing, and you have created that significantly,
that you may allow yourself in certain moments to stop and be paying attention.
Allow yourself to relax, and allow yourself in that moment to recognize
that within that moment, there is an expression that you are creating in
which you are associating that some action, some expression, is obstructing
your ability to be flowing freely.
It may be some action that is occurring outside of you. It may
be some association with an influence of a belief occurring within you
in the moment. It matters not. Each time that you are creating
this, you are creating it as a trigger point, a focal point, in a manner
of speaking.
You create it momentarily to gain your attention and remind yourself
that within that moment, you are experiencing an obstruction — or what
you perceive to be an obstruction — and that in allowing yourself the same
action that you allowed yourself WITH the tube, you shall move into more
of an ease, and this experience shall dissipate.
It is merely a trigger point that you have created, recognizing that
is shall instantaneously gain your attention. But you also need not
continue the action beyond that point of gaining your attention, for it
has accomplished what you wish for it to be accomplishing in gaining your
attention!
LESLIE: Okay. Just for a little bit of clarification, I’m
doing it right now, but why would I be doing it now? I realize it’s
a trigger and I’m glad because I think it’s a good thing, because then
it draws my attention to what’s going on at that very moment.
ELIAS: Quite, and within....
LESLIE: I don’t particularly want to get rid of the trigger, but
I don’t understand. Like for instance, at this moment, what would
be causing it?
ELIAS: Your association with your lack of an ability to be objectively
understanding.
LESLIE: Oh, okay! Okay. Oh wow! Oh, okay. (Elias
chuckles) So every time I do this, there is something going on that
I need to be aware of.
ELIAS: Quite, and allow yourself the same action that you allowed
yourself objectively in hospital. Allow yourself to turn your attention
in that moment and relax, and view that you do hold the ability to breath
freely and that there is no obstruction.
LESLIE: Yes. Sometimes it goes away very quickly when I
think like that.
ELIAS: Quite.
LESLIE: And other times I’ve had it last five or six hours ...
ELIAS: Quite.
LESLIE: ... where I’m gasping for air.
ELIAS: Quite, and I am understanding. This is reinforced
because you continue to create the tension.
LESLIE: And that can be also when I hold my energy too tight?
ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.
LESLIE: Ah! Oh, I like that trigger! Well, I don’t
like it SO much, but.... (Laughing)
ELIAS: HA HA HA HA HA!
LESLIE: I mean, it’s uncomfortable ‘cause it’s kind of frightening!
ELIAS: But....
LESLIE: I’ve never created anything with breathing. I think
of Margot quite frequently whenever I do this....
ELIAS: (Chuckling) But in this....
LESLIE: I think of her because she does this kind of thing, and
I guess it’s similar.
ELIAS: But in this, you also have offered yourself examples in
which you view that the trigger discontinues quite quickly at times.
LESLIE: Oh yes!
ELIAS: Therefore, you also recognize that you do hold the ability
to accomplish that, which is reinforcing.
Therefore, in the moments that you are NOT discontinuing this action
immediately, you may also recognize that you ARE holding tightly to your
energy, and you are creating the action continuously by incorporating a
tremendous expression of tension.
And as you allow yourself to dissipate the tension within your physical
energy ... AND within nonphysical energy — your energy field, your emotional
expressions, your thoughts. These also may be incorporated into relaxing;
not merely physical muscle relaxation or physical nerve relaxation and
responsiveness of your physical body consciousness, but other aspects of
your energy also.
This is the area that you incorporate the difficulty, in those moments
which you continue the obstruction within your breathing for extended time
frameworks. You are continuing to hold tightly to your energy and
create a tension within your energy, not merely your body consciousness.
LESLIE: Okay, but I’m glad I created the breathing thing because
I need things in black and white. That sounds ridiculous, but I don’t
do gray areas well. I don’t guess very well! (Laughing)
ELIAS: HA HA HA HA! I may express to you that it is quite
efficient! It does gain your attention and you do offer yourself
an identification, in your terms, within your beliefs, that you hold some
aspect of control in this situation, that you do yourself hold the ability
to manipulate it.
Therefore, you allow yourself an acknowledgment that you may create
it, and you may alter it. You may create it, and you may change it.
Therefore, you do not express the entirety of the role of victim in these
trigger creations, for you also acknowledge to yourself that you hold choice
in this action, and that you may change it.
Therefore, it IS quite efficient!
LESLIE: Yeah, I like it!
ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha!
LESLIE: You mentioned another time that there was another focus,
and that we had similar experiences going on?
ELIAS: Yes.
LESLIE: Why would I ... well, why would anybody duplicate a focus?
ELIAS: You do not duplicate, in a manner of speaking, in entirety,
but there are many focuses that each essence creates that mirror each other
or that do create similar types of experiences.
Now; you as essence create this type of action in allowing yourself
to experience different angles of the same or similar choices, differences
within perceptions; even some similarities in perceptions, but in certain
alterations of the experience itself.
You may create similar perceptions and different choice for objective
imagery. You may create similar objective imagery with different
perceptions. You offer yourself the opportunity to view all of your
experiences from many different angles and approach them through many different
avenues.
This offers you an exploration, and this is the point of all of your
manifestations within this physical dimension, is to be exploring all of
your expressions and creativity and designs of consciousness, and how it
may be manipulated in this physical dimension.
LESLIE: Yes, and I don’t have very many — 24 — and what did you
say? The average is three or four hundred, and I only have 24, so....
ELIAS: Quite. You have very few manifestations within this
physical dimension.
LESLIE: I didn’t really want to do this or something? (Laughing)
ELIAS: You DO focus your attention in other physical dimensions
in much greater quantities.
LESLIE: Oh really! How exciting!
ELIAS: In this particular dimension, you have not chosen to be
creating a tremendous expression of exploration in this particular physical
design.
Now; let me also express to you, one of the reasons, in actuality, that
your essence has chosen not to be creating many manifestations in this
particular physical dimension is that this particular physical dimension
is extremely complicated and intricate in its design, and your essence
moves in a manner of preference to less of an expression of intricacy and
complication.
LESLIE: Are you saying I’m lazy? (Laughing)
ELIAS: Not at all!
LESLIE: It just struck me so funny! (Laughing)
ELIAS: Ha ha! And in this, what may be quite amusing to
you is that within the focuses that you do manifest in this particular
dimension, you create — in each of them — almost an extreme in the exploration
of the complication of this physical dimension! (Chuckling)
LESLIE: So 24 is probably quite enough! (Laughing)
ELIAS: Quite! (Laughing)
LESLIE: (Cracking up) Oh, that’s funny!
ELIAS: Ha ha ha!
LESLIE: You know what? I really ... and here we go with
the good and bad and all that stuff. But I really am quite proud
of myself! It feels like I’ve come a long way, and it feels comfortable.
ELIAS: Ha ha ha! And I may be quite acknowledging to you
also in that expression! (Chuckling)
LESLIE: I’d like to ask a question ... oh, I’d like to ask you
a quick question. Someone is getting information from (name deleted).
I’m not sure who she is; I think she’s some kind of ... I’m not sure.
I think she’s supposed to be a psychic, but I don’t really know that much
about her. Is this kind of information reliable? (Pause)
ELIAS: I shall express to you, reliable is a relative term.
I shall offer to you that the information that is offered by this individual
is filtered through the individual’s associations and beliefs. This
is not to say that much of the information is not valid, but it is filtered
through the individual’s associations concerning this physical dimension;
also concerning the individual’s beliefs in relation to nonphysical or
other areas of consciousness. This individual holds strong associations
with certain beliefs concerning nonphysical areas of consciousness.
Now; be understanding, this is not to say that all of you do not hold
strong associations and beliefs with regard to your physical dimension,
your physical reality, and to nonphysical aspects of reality, and in this,
they are not right or wrong, and it is not to say that those associations
are not real, for they are.
LESLIE: For that individual, for her.
ELIAS: Correct....
LESLIE: Correct?
ELIAS: Correct, and you or another individual does not express
more enlightenment, so to speak, that you associate in a different manner.
Your association with nonphysical expressions of consciousness is no more
devoid of beliefs than this individual’s.
Therefore, this individual may express an identification of angels,
and you may express an identification of essences or guides, and you are
expressing the same. You are choosing different terminology, but
your associations are the same.
In this, as you allow yourself to be observing and acquiring information
from this individual, I am merely expressing to you that you allow yourself
the awareness that the individual is offering information, but that information
is being translated and filtered through her individual beliefs and associations
as...
LESLIE: It’s not the same as talking to you.
ELIAS: ...as she perceives her reality.
LESLIE: Yes. I have no interest in going in that direction,
but a friend was saying that they were going in that direction, and I just
was curious whether or not ... I had a feeling that it had to do with belief
systems and translation of information.
ELIAS: Correct. But this, as I have stated, is not to say
that the information offered is not valid.
LESLIE: Her terminology is totally different than what I’ve learned
from you, so it was just sort of confusing.
ELIAS: And it may be, within the perception of some individuals.
LESLIE: Yes — for me! You know how I like things cut and
dried!
ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha! And your method is quite perfectly
being created within you!
LESLIE: Yeah, that’s the easiest way for me. I try to go
along with this trust in self thing, but I don’t do very well with it!
ELIAS: Ah, and I may disagree!
LESLIE: But look — as far as I was concerned with my husband,
there was no connection at all, and I had 14 focuses with him! So
we had a big connection! And then I thought I probably had a focus
with Seth, but I didn’t think I had any focuses with you, and it was the
exact opposite! So, my....
ELIAS: Let me express to you, Margaret....
LESLIE: Oh, okay. You’re gonna tell me why this happens?
ELIAS: Yes!
LESLIE: Okay, good! (Laughing)
ELIAS: For this is not in actuality the direction of your attention
in this physical dimension.
You do not engage many focuses, many manifestations in this physical
dimension, which we have discussed, and your attention in those manifestations
is not directed in the association with other individuals and your interplay
with other individuals or your objective association of your “connection,”
so to speak, with other individuals in this physical dimension, for your
attention is upon what YOU are creating in each of your manifestations.
You are fully attending to, in your attention, your exploration of how
you may be manipulating energy in consciousness in association with this
physical dimension and its design, and how YOU may be creating all of these
experiences.
In each focus, you do hold an attention as to your interaction with
other individuals, and how that may be associated with you and how it may
be affecting of you and how you may be affecting of other individuals or
of situations. But the baseline direction of your attention in this
physical dimension is upon what YOU can and shall and will create.
LESLIE: That’s cool!
ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha ha!
LESLIE: (Cracking up) It’s a good thing I like it, huh?
(They both laugh) Because it is what it is! (Elias chuckles)
I have one more quick question.
ELIAS: Very well.
LESLIE: It’s about somebody I correspond with, not very frequently
but once in a while, in my email. What is the draw there? (Pause)
ELIAS: What is your impression?
LESLIE: Oh gosh. You know I don’t do well with these things!
ELIAS: Ah ah ah ah ah!
LESLIE: Another focus? (Elias chuckles) A relationship in
another focus?
ELIAS: Ah. Tsk, tsk. This is a poor attempt at a guess.
LESLIE: Oh, it is?
ELIAS: HA HA HA HA HA!
LESLIE: (Laughing) I have no clue — a family?
ELIAS: You draw yourself to this individual in fascination of
this individual’s energy and choices and creations in this focus.
You hold a fascination in relation to the energy of this individual.
You do share other focuses, but as we have just discussed in this now,
for the most part your attention is not focused in the direction of investigating
what you are participating within in other focuses or who you are participating
with.
LESLIE: I mean really, who cares?
ELIAS: Ha ha ha!
LESLIE: I mean, I’ve got enough to do right here. I don’t
have time to be doing that! (Laughing)
ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha! You do occupy your attention quite
well in this physical focus, ha ha!
LESLIE: I’m gonna ask you a silly question, and then I think I’m
finished. I still want to say, “Hey, if I disengage, so what?”
But that’s not true. I’m still scared to death, excuse the pun.
But the thing is, I want to be more comfortable with that; I don’t want
to be afraid of it. But I have absolutely no clue of what it’s like
on the “other side,” as we say it; it’s the only way I can put it right
now. (Elias chuckles) I don’t have a clue, and that’s what’s frightening.
It’s not the disengagement, exactly. It’s the not knowing.
ELIAS: Ah!
LESLIE: I think, isn’t it?
ELIAS: But you are also offering yourself movement in the direction
of less fear and less apprehension in association with that subject matter
or type of movement, and you have reinforced that in this experience that
you have offered to yourself recently engaging your surgery.
LESLIE: But see, I wasn’t afraid of anything during the surgery.
ELIAS: Quite.
LESLIE: Nothing mattered. Whatever happened, it mattered
not. I wasn’t gonna disengage, and I knew that ... I mean, at least
at that moment, I think I did.
ELIAS: You are correct.
LESLIE: I was really cool at that time. I mean, cooler than
I’ve ever been — that and the finger incident.
ELIAS: Quite, and these are examples to you of unfamiliar actions,
and the objective not recognizing of a direction, so to speak, but also
simultaneously recognizing an outcome in each moment; not what you view
through your beliefs as movement that leads to an outcome which creates
a permanence, in a manner of speaking, but that you are already creating
the outcome in each moment.
This offers you an example of the ease in movement into other expressions
— even death — as merely a movement into yet another unknown. But
you are creating the outcomes in each moment, and therefore it is not a
situation of anticipation, but merely relaxing in what you are already
creating.
LESLIE: Yeah. So it matters not about disengagement because
it’s not happening right now, and at the moment of disengagement, it will
probably be exactly the same as the surgery.
ELIAS: You are correct.
LESLIE: Very good! Hey, I AM doing good! (They both laugh)
ELIAS: I am greatly acknowledging of you! You have offered
yourself a tremendous example and a tremendous opportunity which you have,
in your terms, taken advantage of, and in this, I am tremendously acknowledging
of your allowance of yourself to be creating this movement, and moving
more into the genuine expression of acceptance.
LESLIE: Is that what I’ve been so excited about for the last week?
ELIAS: Yes.
LESLIE: Oh! I’ve been so excited that I’ve been beyond myself!
I thought, this is kind of like when you’re a little kid and Christmas
is coming! That’s how I felt, and I thought, I’ve got to ask you
why I’m feeling so good! Everything is so cool!
ELIAS: And now, objectively you know! (Laughing)
LESLIE: I know, and it’s really cool! Yeah! (Laughing)
ELIAS: Very well, my friend.
LESLIE: Thank you so much!
ELIAS: You are very welcome.
LESLIE: There were times I didn’t know if I was gonna make it.
ELIAS: (Chuckling) And you do!
LESLIE: But did I get to the top of the hill yet?
ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha!
LESLIE: I think I did! I’m close, anyway!
ELIAS: I shall leave this to your impression! Ha ha ha!
LESLIE: Okay. I may not be at the top, but I’m real close!
(They both laugh) Good!
ELIAS: I shall continue to offer my expression of energy to you
and be encouraging to you, and be playful with you!
LESLIE: Thank you so much.
ELIAS: You are very welcome. I anticipate our continued
interaction and our next objective meeting in playfulness.
LESLIE: Thank you very much.
ELIAS: To you, in friendship, au revoir.
Elias departs at 1:27 p.m.
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