Sunday, September 14, 1997 © 1997 (Group)
Participants: Mary (Michael), Vicki (Lawrence), Ron (Olivia),
Cathy (Shynla), David (Mylo), Gail (William), Bob (Siman), Drew (Matthew),
Norm (Stephen), Reta (Dehl), Bobbi (Jale), Stella (Cindel), Marcos (Marta),
and Norma (Paul).
Elias was definitely "on" tonight! This was a fun session!
Elias arrives at 6:43 PM. (Time was ten seconds)
ELIAS: Good evening! (Grinning) We shall begin this evening with our game. (Pause)
VICKI: Well, I'll start. For Mary: Ilda, rituals, tattooing.
ELIAS: Acceptable.
VICKI: For Jo: Ilda, personality types, Gypsy Rose Lee.
ELIAS: Acceptable.
VICKI: For Paul: Sumari, authors, Robert Monroe.
ELIAS: Less probable.
VICKI: Sumafi, birds, crow. (also for Paul)
ELIAS: Less probable.
VICKI: Zuli, artists, Prince. (also for Paul)
ELIAS: (Chuckling) Acceptable.
VICKI: For myself: Borledim, constellations, the Little Dipper.
ELIAS: Acceptable.
CATHY: I want to open a new category for board games.
ELIAS: So entered.
CATHY: Okay! In that category, I'd like to connect the Ouija Board with Sumari. (We all crack up, as Elias is representing the Sumari family in the action of the shift, but he refuses to play Ouija!)
ELIAS: (Laughing) One point!
CATHY: Thank you!
ELIAS: Be remembering that this essence is not Sumari! (Chuckling)
CATHY: It's still fun to say it, though!
ELIAS: Quite! I am acknowledging of your gleefulness! (Laughter, and then a pause during which Elias is staring at Ron)
RON: I have no impressions!
ELIAS: (Chuckling) Tsk, tsk, tsk, Olivia.
RON: I'm ashamed.
ELIAS: (Humorously) You should be! (Laughter) Not much connecting with impressions presently!
STELLA: I have one, but I don't know if it's ... because I don't know the game. But why do I keep saying that I am Talmud instead of Tumold? What is the connection with Talmud? I keep saying Talmud! I know it's a Jewish thing and I know I have some Jewish thing there, but why Talmud? I confuse the two, Talmud and Tumold.
ELIAS: (Grinning) This be a bleed-through ...
STELLA: Bleed-through?
ELIAS: ... of another focus within ancient time period.
STELLA: Oh, okay. So that's why I feel so strongly connected to the Jewish people?
ELIAS: Correct, although the correct pronunciation is Tumold.
STELLA: Yes! (Elias chuckles) Thank you.
ELIAS: This evening, we shall be entering as students of The Great and All-Knowing Teacher of Elias in the classroom of Acceptance 102! (We all lose it. Elias was very humorous tonight! Keep in mind that the delivery of the following was extremely comical and jocular.)
RETA: I like that!
ELIAS: As the prerequisite is Acceptance 101 of Self, Acceptance 102 being the continuation in acceptance of other individuals and their belief systems and how to be approaching and addressing to other individuals, for this question is posed many times. Therefore, the professor will now be instructing in step-by-step "methods" ... (grinning at Reta, and we all crack up again)
RETA: Well, I think it's about time!
ELIAS: ... of how you may be addressing to other individuals approaching you with regard to their experiences within the present shift, and also within their belief systems. I will be answering your questions subsequently, after our brief lecture. (Laughter)
We begin with the scenario that an individual may be approaching you -- the much-studied students -- (we all lose it again) and may be inquiring of you for information with regard to their experiences and in relation to their belief systems, which they of course do not know that they hold. But you, in your great wisdom, recognize that they hold belief systems, unlike yourselves! (Grinning) As the individual approaches you and is inquiring of you for your great wisdom, your response, as Step Two, shall be initially not to be responding. This is your Step Two. Step One is the approach of the other individual. Are you writing this down, Dehl? (We all lose it again)
RETA: Well, you see, I flunked out of 101! (Wild laughter) Maybe I'm not supposed to be in 102!
ELIAS: (Laughing) We shall be skipping you ahead! I shall move slowly, that you may be writing all of these steps for your method down carefully and not missing a word! You may also acquire a tape, if you are so choosing, for your remembrance! On sale now at your local forum! (Much laughter)
Step Two is, as I have stated, to not be responding.
Step Three would be -- (to Reta) write carefully! -- to be listening carefully to the expression of the other individual and assessing within you, engaging your inner senses, the situation and the position of the other individual; assessing within you, taking into account -- (to Reta) you are not writing! (laughter) -- their very strong belief systems, which they are very unaware of, for they are not "enlightened" yet, for they have not engaged Acceptance 101!
Step Four would be to be intuitively responding to the other individual.
Step Five would be to be arranging your language to be accommodating and accepting of the other individual's belief systems.
Step Six is to be reminding yourself that your point is not to be changing another individual's perception or belief systems.
Step Seven is to be reminding yourself that your point is to be offering information in a helpful manner, and not to be concerning yourself with responsibility of another individual's reality.
Step Eight is to be reminding yourself that another individual's reality is their reality, and IS REALITY! (Pause, staring at Reta)
RETA: Okay!
ELIAS: You have eight steps presently? (Grinning at Reta)
RETA: Yes! (Somebody says, "She does!" inspiring much laughter)
ELIAS: Very good! Step Nine is to be placed before Step One ... (To Reta) You may draw an arrow above Step One! (Grinning widely)
RETA: Okay!
ELIAS: ... to be engaging presently!
RETA: Engaging presently??
ELIAS: Correct, with all individuals that you are within contact of.
RETA: I have already begun that!
ELIAS: Ah! She has accomplished Step Nine before Step One! (Much laughter) I am acknowledging of your great accomplishment!
RETA: It takes a little while, but I'm doing it!
ELIAS: Very good! This is the end of the lecture of The Great Elias, Professor of Acceptance 102, and you may all now be asking your questions, which I shall very seriously consider answering!
DREW: Well, I have a question. Dehl could tell me better which step it is, but one of them was to offer helpfulness after listening intuitively, trying to understand. If we're not attempting to change their perception or their belief systems, what direction is this helpfulness supposed to take?
ELIAS: That you may relate information to another individual, within the context of their own belief systems, to be helpful to them in acknowledging to them that they are not experiencing unusualness or non-reality or lunacy.
DREW: So we're talking about when people come to us with questions or experiences directly related to the shift as opposed to any mundane, daily.... (Elias is grinning at Drew) Well, alright!
ELIAS: I express to you ... (To Reta) Note under Step Eight!
RETA: Okay! (Reta was very funny tonight too!)
ELIAS: ... that individuals shall be experiencing, within their mundane everyday life, experiences in conjunction with this shift. (To Reta) Place asterisk after this note, that you may be remembering of this information! You may call this a footnote. (Grinning)
DREW: Just for clarity, I'm a little confused about that Step Nine, what it is and how it comes before One. Can you just explain it one more time? (You're so serious, Drew!)
ELIAS: This would be your activity in this process; engaging other individuals ...
DREW: So it's the engagement....
ELIAS: ... not necessarily merely waiting FOREVER for other individuals to be approaching you! Take the initiative! (To Reta) Place another asterisk by this statement! (Laughter)
RETA: Take the initiative. What has happened to me is, in the last few months, instead of holding back on some conversation -- because I'm with an awful lot of people -- I have sort of pushed into a lot of them and asked them what their beliefs are in different things. And because we've been working a lot of overtime lately, there's one individual I've had to work with, and when you have the private time and you have to stop and wait for machines and all that, you have time to talk. And instead of talking about the business or things like that, I will start talking about their belief systems and how they compare. And it's a darn good opening, and it works! And the one person that I talk with a lot finally opened up and said how many books about this he's read. Now, I would not have known that had I not opened the conversation, of course, and then I told him a lot. And now I've had five other people, because of him, come and ask me questions. So, there's no doubt about it. You have to engage them.
ELIAS: Very good, Dehl! (Laughter)
STELLA: I have a question. Well actually, it's not a question. I kind of do stuff like that, engaging people, and I don't necessarily ask them anything. For instance, I have jelly beans on my desk, and the reason I have the jelly beans is not so much because of the jelly beans, but because people stop over at my desk. And I have some little cards there, and people sometimes just take the time to maybe relax for one moment, one second, and they might ask or they might say how they feel. Usually, that's what happens. They're saying, "Oh, I'm terrible or horrible or great!" or whatever, and usually I listen to just what they're saying. It feels really nice, and so they go back to whatever they were doing and they have a different attitude about what they've been doing ... so far. So I do engage a lot of people in that way. For instance, the last time I brought this guy -- it was my ex-boss Mario, and I think you remember him -- and he's not the type to have come to something like this. And then he called me the following day wanting to know more about it, but in a way that I knew he's not really interested, and I picked up on it. So what I said to him was, "Look. Just experience whatever you're experiencing. It's okay. You don't have to go crazy over this. Do whatever." Because I know where he's coming from, and so I was able to just, you know ... whatever the experience. I don't know. I don't know what the experience is for him, and I don't quite care in a way, you know? I really don't. It's sort of like, I open myself up and I do whatever, and if they take it, fine. If they don't, it's fine too. I do what I have to do for me, most of the time.
ELIAS: Note "A" upon exam results for perfect engagement of all of these steps! (Applause and laughter)
BOB: Teacher's pet!
STELLA: I always wanted to be a teacher's pet! I was never able to speak up, and now I do! (Much laughter)
ELIAS: (Chuckling) And now we may be placing restraints, that she be ... shh ... quiet! (Laughter) Although you may be expressing....
STELLA: I'm so sorry! Nobody's going to stop me! I'm so sorry!
ELIAS: You need not be sorry! You may be expressing as very much as you are choosing!
STELLA: I know! (Elias laughs)
CATHY: Well, I thought I did pretty good last night till Step Six! (Laughter) Didn't I??
VICKI: What happened at Step Six? (Vic's cracking up)
CATHY: When we got to Step Six, I'm thinking, "Oh man! These belief systems! Holy-moly!" (Laughter)
ELIAS: (Chuckling) I acknowledge to you, Shynla, that you have been accomplishing quite well within your yestereve. Now you may be engaging Step Nine, placing this before Step One, and be initiating!
CATHY: Talk to Ron! He's the initiator! (Cathy's cracking up)
RON: I'm still trying to pass Engaging Your Inner Senses 101.
ELIAS: That was 104. Rememberer has difficult remembering!
RON: It's old age.
ELIAS: Nooo! THIS is old age! (We all lose it)
RETA: The one thing I found out, though -- I'm talking to you about the religious side and my husband could step in and could probably talk about the scientific side -- until the last few years, there's certain things you just didn't talk to in certain religions, but now people are more well-read and there is more out there in the bookstores and there's more on TV and so on. And so as you do engage people, they are more well-read and more questioning and more feeling that they want to know more, and thinking about changing and giving up some of their old, staunch belief systems. And then on the scientific side, which was always a place you didn't dare to tread, in the last two or three years the greatest scientists are finally openly talking about, "There must be something different." So I don't think we need to restrict ourselves on the basis of stepping on toes or walking into some areas where people aren't well-read. I think everyone is talking about a change now.
ELIAS: The shift in consciousness is obvious. It is being recognized by your entire planet. Individuals are experiencing everywhere, so to speak. Therefore, it is unnecessary to be holding great apprehension in sharing information ... but be studying your list! For the WAY that you are engaging other individuals is important! You defeat yourself and your point by engaging the action of your religious or scientific belief systems in attempting to be forcing another individual to be accepting YOUR reality and YOUR point-of-view.
BOBBI: This week, a friend of mine, a dear friend, has had a very traumatic week. Her oldest son, who is fourteen, was taken by the police to a mental hospital and locked up, and she's very upset. This is why this is a perfect lesson for me, although it's very hard to offer helpfulness within her belief systems. She is very much rooted in the scientific medical beliefs of the time. Could you give me some examples? I comfort her as much as I can within what she will accept. I know that she is very ... not against, but prejudiced towards any kind of new age thought.
ELIAS: Then do not be expressing to this individual within new age thought.
BOBBI: Well, I don't. That's why I find it very difficult though, in terms of her belief systems in medicine and a future for her son, which the doctors are not too positive about. I'm thinking perhaps her son is one of these going through the traumatic effects of the shift, possibly. He's extremely angry and violent. I'm unsure how to offer, you know, within her belief systems. Is all I can do is really listen and be there for her in light of that?
ELIAS: Listen to the belief systems of another individual. Recognize that these belief systems ARE reality. They are not wrong. And also attempt to be, within your language, creatively manipulating your language within similarities of each other. You may hold different words for very similar concepts or beliefs. One individual may be expressing to you, as an example, their beliefs of god. You may believe that you do not believe in the concept of god. Therefore, your language to yourself is different, but the concept is the same. Therefore, you may use this as an example in all other areas, that you may look for the commonality of your belief systems and recognizing that your language may be slightly different, but your concepts are the same.
You differentiate your belief systems, expressing that one individual holds one belief system and another individual holds a different belief system. Their words are different. This individual holds a belief system in your medical profession. You hold a belief system in new age healing. They are the same. They are both belief systems that another individual may heal you. YOU heal you. Therefore, what be the difference? You hold the same belief systems. You merely camouflage them differently; this being your steps of acceptance of another individual's belief systems, in recognition that they are no different than your own. You may communicate and be helpful and be supportive to another individual within their experiences, for you DO hold the same belief systems as all other individuals. You merely disguise them differently.
GAIL: Can you help me look at the interaction with my son Matt today? He was feeling ill because he ate something, and I was trying to give him other suggestions to look at.
ELIAS: Examine your motivation. You are attempting to change another individual's perception.
GAIL: I don't know that I wanted to change it. I just wanted him to look at it maybe in a different way so that....
ELIAS: This is attempting to change another individual's perception! Their perception is their perception, which is their reality, and your action within this information is to be accepting of their reality.
GAIL: Well, my intent was to give him something else to think about as opposed to the way that he was thinking; not necessarily to change it, but to have a different way of looking at it.
ELIAS: Is not looking at this differently not attempting to change? Yes, it is!
GAIL: Hmm.
DREW: So the offering of a new idea is an attempt to change?
ELIAS: Not necessarily. You may be offering of what you call new ideas if the other individual is accepting of this and is wishing for this. This be your engagement of your inner senses and your intuition, that you may be offering yourselves the information to know which direction to be moving within.
GAIL: Hmm. Well, I have to say, it does feel different talking to him as opposed to some people at work that it feels differently with. I'll have to pay attention to that. Thanks.
ELIAS: (Humorously) This is a very tricky area! Be noting of this, Dehl! (Laughter)
BOB: Would the key be the extent to which the other person is inquiring?
ELIAS: Not necessarily. You may be engaging your inner senses and offering yourself information of which direction is the most efficient to be proceeding within.
BOB: With respect to another person?
ELIAS: Correct.
BOB: I guess my point was that if a person is just experiencing their reality, and you have made some attempt to engage and there does not appear to be any interest on the other person's part to engage, that's when, it seems to me, you find yourself in a position of forcing yourself on them or trying to change them. If Matt had said, "I feel sick and I think it's 'cause I ate something, but I'm really not sure," that's more of an opening than there would be if he's just lying there moaning and she says, "What's wrong?" and he says, "I feel sick," and she says, "Well, why?" and he says, "'cause I ate something," and she says, "Well, maybe it's not that." To the extent that the other person is participating in the engagement, you have more opportunity for discourse.
ELIAS: Correct. But also, you must be aware of the other individual's acceptance of your participation.
BOB: Exactly.
RETA: You know they don't accept a mother's advice like they do outside advice!
BOB: Well sure, sometimes.
ELIAS: Another very good belief system! (Laughter)
RETA: Yes! I get words.
BOB: Your mother's belief systems?
RETA: Yes!
ELIAS: Quite!
DAVID: I've been in contact recently, more so than in a long time, with many, many friends of mine in England who I've shared some wonderful show business experiences with. There's quite a lot of them. We've always maintained this consciousness connection of love and friendship -- I can't explain it -- even though I haven't seen them in years. I've been sharing with them recently my experiences, and they've all become really, really interested. I'm really surprised that none of them have been confused by it. Are they going to play a part in this in the future? What is the connection with this group of family people that I know?
ELIAS: (Chuckling) I shall express to you, Mylo, once again, investigate! (Laughter) I shall not be offering you your answers, as I was not offering answers and carrying Michael and Lawrence within the initial throes of our sessions, for you hold the ability to investigate and connect yourself!
DAVID: Okay then, will they be.... (We all laugh) No no no! That's not investigating who they are! I want to know, are they going to be a part of this?
ELIAS: If you are so choosing! (We all crack up) They shall be a part of the shift!
DAVID: Well, the whole world will be!
ELIAS: Quite!
DAVID: Well, I just feel that my days working with them aren't over, that there will be other times in this focus. I feel that connection with them and they do too, but I just wanted to know if that was a true feeling.
ELIAS: I shall eventually steer you away from viewing this essence as a psychic reader! (Laughter)
RETA: Very good!
DAVID: Well, I'll get my tarot cards out and my astrology, and I'll go back to doing that! Be my own psychic reader!
ELIAS: Excellent idea! And you may encounter Mylo in the process! (Laughing, and we all crack up again)
VICKI: I have a question about Step Nine, I think it was.
ELIAS: This is the "before the beginning" step!
VICKI: Correct. Yes, this would be the correct step. (Laughing)
ELIAS: For I am so very fond of "before the beginning!" (Grinning)
VICKI: So if you have interaction with an individual on a regular basis, and that individual expresses a desire to no longer have that interaction, then I'm assuming that in acceptance of that expression, you would not attempt to engage that individual at that point.
ELIAS: Correct.
VICKI: That in itself would be an acceptance of the other person's expression.
ELIAS: Correct. You are not attempting to change another individual. You are merely attempting to be helpful within acceptance, and offering to another individual with respect to their acceptance.
DREW: So any helpfulness in terms of their acceptance of their own belief systems, and understanding that they are belief systems as opposed to changing them, would be part of a successful engagement if they're open to that?
ELIAS: IF the individual is open to this engagement. You shall encounter individuals that do not hold an awareness of belief systems yet, and are not accepting of the concept of belief systems. Therefore, this is not to be challenged.
MARCOS: And the reason for this is that this process will aid or enable the shift to come about in a less traumatic fashion?
ELIAS: (Intently) Yes. Each moment that you engage acceptance of self, of another individual, of belief systems, of situations, you are lending energy to the lessening of the trauma within the shift.
VICKI: How about when somebody asks you for your opinion, and so you give it, and then they get upset? What step are we talking about here?
ELIAS: We have discussed this situation previously many times with this identical question. I have expressed to you that you need be accepting of self, and also accepting of the other individual's response without judgment, and also without holding responsibility. Each individual is creating their own reality and their own responses. You may be influencing of their responses dependent upon your intention within the engagement, but if you are not antagonizing intentionally another individual, and their response is what you view to be negative, this is their responsibility, not yours. They also are operating within the context of their own belief systems, which are influencing of their reality and their responses.
VICKI: And so by accepting their response, that would be being helpful to them?
ELIAS: Correct. (Humorously) Therefore, make a new banner, which you may be in charge of, Dehl!
RETA: Oh gosh! Okay.
ELIAS: And this banner shall hold the word Acceptance, which shall be our new motto, as our initial motto and banner was Noticing. Now that you have moved into "higher grades" -- (to Reta, grinning) "levels!" -- you may change your banner to Acceptance as opposed to Noticing, and we shall be continuing with Acceptance for much longer than we were with Noticing!
BOB: If I promise not to ask any questions about it, will you tell me what the word on the next banner is? (We all crack up)
ELIAS: (Laughing) This would be an absolute connection with Lawrence in "skipping shells," which Lawrence is extremely good at!
BOB: That isn't an answer to my question!
ELIAS: I am aware!
BOB: So you're not accepting of my curiosity?? (Much laughter)
ELIAS: I have offered Lawrence many non-answers of these skipping shell questions. Therefore, I offer Siman the same; a non-answer from Elias! Which, I afford myself this, for I am the All-Knowing Elias! (Laughter) Therefore, All-Knowing holds its privileges!
NORM: I have a question in regard to your wonderful analogies, one being for example a tree and the roots under the tree and what you can see above. But would you have an analogy like that for right and wrong?
ELIAS: (Humorously) I shall be working upon this grave project within conference, and I shall be in touch with you.
NORM: Thank you.
ELIAS: You are welcome. We shall break. Fear not! I shall offer you an analogy! (See footnote ( for the analogy)
NORM: Well, thank you!
ELIAS: Very well.
BREAK 7:30 PM RESUME 7:55 PM (Time was five seconds)
ELIAS: Continuing. (Pause) Or not!
DAVID: Okay, I had a dream, and I want to ask you about this dream. I had it this morning. I was attempting to work. I was in a restaurant or such and I was trying to get my work together, and for some reason it just wouldn't happen. And I noticed this dart board over on the wall, and I heard these people talking and getting ready to play these darts, and I couldn't see them. They were invisible. I could hear these voices, and I saw the darts. There were three darts on the board, and the color of the flies on the ends of these darts was yellow. And the darts started moving as if these invisible people were taking the darts out, and I thought, "Oh my god! Can you see that?" And I was going to people around me saying, "Can you see that? I need you to see what I'm seeing! Otherwise, I'll think I'm going crazy!" And they couldn't see it, except this young girl, and she was, I felt, a younger version of Vicki, like a little girl. She said, "Yeah, I can see that." And I said, "Thank god! Wow! What do you think about that?" And suddenly, one of the darts came out and it started coming towards me, and I was kind of scared. I grabbed hold of the dart, and I was fighting with the energy of this dart, and I was tossing it around. I went up to a brick wall and I bent the metal around. I had to bend the metal so it wouldn't be harming me, and I bent it around till it was blunt. And I woke up.
ELIAS: Very creative! Also very apropos, within your imagery to yourself. The darts are your symbolization to yourself of your belief systems. The invisible individuals propelling these darts are you propelling them away from you and not wishing to be engaging them. The one dart which appears to be attacking you is the symbolization of belief systems that you are bringing up to yourself objectively, and fighting tremendously with these to be pushing away the engagement of these belief systems, viewing that they shall be hurtful to you if you are examining them entirely.
DAVID: That's what I kind of thought it was. I do feel then, in this imagery, that there is a power that I have that is so strong that I seem to always manage to win whatever it is I'm trying to fight. I know that if I lost, so to speak, it would be beneficial for me to lose the fight. But I feel so strong that I don't know if I'm ever going to win myself, if you know what I'm saying.
ELIAS: Attempt to be giving up the fight.
DAVID: This dart was just going to ... (here, David dramatically demonstrates getting stabbed). That's what it would have done!
ELIAS: (Chuckling) Or perhaps the dart may have moved through you!
DAVID: Had I taken the chance.
ELIAS: Quite.
DAVID: And the yellow colors on the end of the darts, the flies, was that yellow representative of anything?
ELIAS: Emotion.
DAVID: Emotion....
ELIAS: So very uncharacteristic of Mylo, being the thought-focused, unemotional, logical, serious individual that you are! (We all crack up again. Lots o' laughs in this session!)
STELLA: Last night, Vicki took me through a regression, and I want to find out about Lisa, the little girl. Supposedly she was a future self, a future focus, but I don't think Lisa is future. I think Lisa is very much part of who I was when I was little. I feel like she is more of a splinter of me. See, before the session I had asked Vicki ... I was wondering what had happened to her because I feel very strongly that I am not the same person. I feel that this little girl, somehow she's no longer here. She's left somewhere, and I wanted to find out about her, and everything that I related last night has to do with an identification with the present focus. She's still very angry. She's still mute. She's still catatonic. She doesn't want to talk, and that's me. That was me. I want to be helpful to this ... I don't know what to call it, to call her.
ELIAS: Another focus.
STELLA: She's another focus? So she's not part of me in this focus?
ELIAS: But she is.
STELLA: Wait a second! I'm totally confused!
BOB: Join the crowd!
STELLA: Wait!
Vic's note: This concept of another focus being you but not being you is one of the most confusing to me. Does anybody get this?
ELIAS: Each focus is an element of the essence. Therefore, they are intermingled. They are all occurring simultaneously and they are interchangeable. I have expressed previously that you may view other focuses of essence as also probable selves of you, in one manner of speaking. Therefore, although each focus holds its own identity, each focus is also an element of essence, and each focus holds all of essence within it. Therefore, you are all interchangeable and you ARE the other focuses, although within your identity and your attention, you are not. Therefore, each focus may be influencing of each other focus and you may be identifying another focus as you, for the tone of each focus is so very slightly different that they are almost unrecognizable. Therefore, you may identify the same elements within you as being you within a certain time framework of this focus, as you identify with the sameness of the other focus; this also being a bleed-through action.
STELLA: So this is a bleed-through action with Lisa?
ELIAS: Correct.
STELLA: Okay. And what about the guy that Vicki wanted to just die fast? I mean, she took me through this process so quick, that I tell you, it was really quite interesting!
ELIAS: You may be reinvestigating this "guy." (Humorously)
STELLA: Is his name Zulu? Something came up with Zulu, with a Z. I can't pronounce the Z's ... Z-U-L-U. Is he related to this name or something, this guy?
ELIAS: Yes.
STELLA: Oh, great! And so wait a second.... (Much laughter)
ELIAS: Accommodating! (Pretending to look at Mary's watch) You now have millimeters of seconds!
STELLA: And so this guy, did he die? I know he died from starvation. Does he have anything to do with my anorexia at one time?
ELIAS: Interesting question! Shall you not investigate?
STELLA: You always tell me the same thing! You give people so many answers, and not me! (We all crack up)
BOB: Oh yeah, he's always answering mine!
ELIAS: (To Vic) Note this within our transcribing, that Cindel is whining now!
STELLA: But I came up with the name! I came up with Zulu!
ELIAS: And you are quite capable of coming up with the rest of the information!
STELLA: I kind of think it is having to do with my anorexia. Okay? Okay, fine!! (Laughter) Oh, this is crazy! Did he die because he didn't want to eat himself, or because there was no food? (Dearest Stella, I surely hope he didn't want to eat himself! Love, Vic)
ELIAS: I shall offer to you, no food.
STELLA: There was no food for him?
ELIAS: Correct.
STELLA: And do you know, (laughter) do you know that when the name Zulu came up, I had eaten and I ate too much. And then I thought of Zulu and I said, "I'm never going to overeat," because it just didn't feel good! And I thought of him! It was like incredible! So I won't overeat ever again! This is wonderful! He gave me that! (We're all cracking up again. Stella is ... indescribable!)
ELIAS: This may be an over-reaction! (Grinning)
STELLA: No, this is quite interesting! But he died young, he died so young.... Oh, god....
ELIAS: Be offering Cindel a truth! (Vic hands Stella a tissue) (
STELLA: Anyway, I guess I experienced a death. It was rather quick! (Laughter and Elias chuckles) Okay, that's it!
ELIAS: You may be choosing to re-engage in this activity, and you may be slowing the motion of the actual death process if you are so choosing! (Grinning)
STELLA: No, because I don't want to be masochistic again! I decided I won't be. No, it was fine. It was fine! It took whatever. I know I felt it, and I left, and now it's fine. No problem. Lisa is somewhat of a problem because Lisa is very much ... she's still very angry. I want to help her. I want to help Lisa.
ELIAS: You may be connecting within consciousness to this other focus and lending energy in helpfulness.
STELLA: Yeah, that's what I want to do. Okay, thank you.
ELIAS: I am acknowledging of your continued accomplishment within your engagement of your bleed-through actions!
RETA: I have a question that's a little different than that. I had an experience yesterday with a Martha, and it was probably traumatic for her. What can I do to help this young lady?
ELIAS: Express for these individuals.
RETA: Well, it's a right and wrong thing. This individual had been working on a project, and we kept asking her if she needed assistance and she said "No." When it got down to the deadline, I went in to help. It was all wrong. So I took it over and spent fourteen hours re-doing the project, and of course she's very upset. I was upset for the time I had to put in it, but I was more concerned with getting the work done for the deadline and didn't notice she'd left, so there was no assistance. Now, how can I help this young lady?
ELIAS: By accepting.
RETA: Accepting what?
ELIAS: The individual's expression, and allowing within your inner senses an understanding of this individual's expression and emotion and creation of their reality.
RETA: I believe I understood her reality because of the type of person she is. For her age, she's very immature and weak, but for the position she held there was no truthfulness, and I understood it was a method of protection for her.
ELIAS: I express to you, Dehl, that you have just expressed four different belief systems within one sentence: that this individual is immature, that this individual is weak, that this individual because of age is inefficient, and that this individual holds position beyond capability.
RETA: Oh boy, I really said it, didn't I?!
ELIAS: Quite a mouthful! You may exchange this name to Dehl! (In reference to "Mouthful" being Elias' "nickname")
RETA: No right or wrong, huh?
ELIAS: Be examining of your belief systems, for these are what project the judgment and lack of acceptance to another individual. We shall be running a refresher course of Acceptance 101 of Self, which you may be attending if you are so choosing!
RETA: I'll be there!
BOB: Remedial Acceptance.
ELIAS: Quite! This shall be offered this coming fall.
RETA: Alright. Privately? Are there other people who need that 101 again?
ELIAS: Quite! (Laughter, and Elias chuckles again)
RETA: Okay. First acceptance, and acceptance of her -- I'm putting words in my mind -- acceptance of her limitations and understanding where she is, instead of believing that she can do more? Acceptance of her, where she is?
ELIAS: Each element that you think of which holds a connotation of judgment in any manner, examine first your own belief systems in this area and attempt to be moving through these belief systems and accepting of these within self, and this shall offer you the ability to be accepting of other individuals.
RETA: I would say that in most of our lives, especially in our working lives and it might be in our personal lives, that we've all worked through this and made mistakes, and I must remember that I was there once and so that would take away a lot of my judgment.
ELIAS: If this be helpful to you, then you may be engaging this thought process.
RETA: May I ask another question? There is a medical conference going on in La Jolla, California, in October, and it's a first. I think I mentioned it before, and I can't remember what you said about it. There's an opportunity for us to meet with people -- a medical professional group, a small group -- for the first time who are going to discuss the effects of prayer or sending energy to their patients. Now I can go as just a listener, or I could go and be a participant. What do you think? Or I think even Elias could participate. I could set that up. Is it too soon?
ELIAS: It is merely of your choosing.
RETA: It's not my choosing, it's your choosing!
ELIAS: I shall be engaging whichever individuals appear before this essence. Therefore, if individuals are present and listening, you may be assured that this essence shall be talking! (Laughter)
RETA: Alright. There again, my first step is to ... (shuffling through her notes) ... engage! Engage this essence! (Reta's cracking herself up!)
ELIAS: Very good, Dehl! (Chuckling)
DREW: I have a question about some dream imagery. About a week ago, I was just taking a short nap. I had an hour. I can't recall if I set my alarm clock or not, but I mentally told myself I needed to wake up in an hour. In about forty-five minutes I had an image of a woman, and after this happened, I had the sense that it had happened before. She was familiar from about the waist up, beckoning me, and she beckoned me awake. I'm wondering what the imagery represents. Since engaging these sessions, since attending the forum, my dream imagery has become more vivid and more intense, to the point where this stuff I used to take note and ask you about has become fairly common. So now it's the stuff that really stands out, and this one does as having been significant enough for me to inquire.
ELIAS: This also is the engagement of another focus. This shall be becoming more frequent for you all as you move into an opening and an allowance of a wider awareness. You shall be allowing bleed-through action and actually encountering and intersecting and engaging other focuses. This -- (to Reta) you may also be writing down! -- would be another first step within the action of this shift, to be connecting with other aspects of self and essence. Therefore, you do allow -- even Shynla! -- the intersection of other focuses of your essence, as an identification to you that you hold more within essence than merely this attention.
DREW: As I recall, I believe there was a certain amount of fear associated with seeing this woman, and I can't recall if the fear was just because the imagery was intense and it was just the kind of fear that sometimes goes along, for me anyway, with this kind of experience, or after I woke up, a sense that I wasn't sure if she was beckoning me to awaken, or that had I followed her beckoning, I would have disengaged.
ELIAS: You would not disengage. This is merely a movement closer than you have allowed previously of another focus. Initially, many individuals experience, within the intensity of the reality of the experience, a fearfulness. You may also be intersecting an alternate self within your near future, and you may be experiencing apprehension or fearfulness.
DREW: An alternate self is another self within this focus and this time period?
ELIAS: Correct.
DREW: And when you say intersecting, you mean objectively, as in actually physically meeting....
ELIAS: No.
DREW: Oh, subjectively.
ELIAS: Objectively, but not physically.
DREW: I thought objectively meant physically.
ELIAS: Not necessarily within matter.
DREW: So it could be through communication of some sort?
ELIAS: An alternate self is not another focus within physical matter. It is another aspect of your focus. Therefore, it occupies a different dimension ...
DREW: Oh!
ELIAS: ... within this dimension (laughter) of you. (Grinning)
DREW: I'll get clarity on that after from someone who hopefully can be helpful so we don't spend the time now, unless it's something....
ELIAS: There are many dimensions within this dimension physically. Therefore, you hold countless alternate selves which are all a part of you, and you may in actuality view these alternate selves and intersect and speak with these alternate selves, although they shall not materialize within matter before you.
DREW: In a daydream, for example, or what I might later interpret as an hallucination or something like that? That's how I might....
ELIAS: Correct, or you may also present yourself with a very temporary projection of an alternate self.
DREW: Would mirror meditation open the doorway to something like that as well?
ELIAS: This be an avenue.
DREW: Okay. I wanted to address something else about this woman. I forgot when you started getting into dimensions within dimensions. If I remember, I'll come back. Thank you.
ELIAS: Very well.
VICKI: I'd like to ask a question about Stella's TFE. I did have a real physical response to this individual that was dying, and I have had these sorts of responses before in facilitating a TFE. So I did kind of rush her through it (laughing) because it was very physically affecting of me. I was choking. What other options did I have at that point? I didn't feel like I had any. I couldn't stop choking. (For new readers, a TFE is our term for a "past-life regression")
ELIAS: (Chuckling) Within your development presently, figuratively speaking, you were engaging the most probable and efficient action. But I may also express to you that futurely you may offer yourself the knowing, within an objective suggestion, that although you are allowing an empathic connection and a mergence to a point, this is not a focus of your essence, and it is unnecessary for you to be moving sooo very far into this mergence of the experience of another essence! (Grinning)
VICKI: You know, I tried to tell myself that, but it didn't work very well! (Laughter)
ELIAS: (Chuckling) Therefore, I express to you that your expression was efficient.
VICKI: Well, I have one other question about that as far as doing TFE's....
ELIAS: (Humorously) Be connecting with Shynla, for she is so very grounded and physically focused, and quite well versed in connecting empathically and not holding to the empathic experience!
VICKI: I'll make sure she's here next time!
ELIAS: Very good! (Laughter)
VICKI: But anyway, my other question is, when we got to Lisa as a ten-year-old, her verbal expression was, "I don't want to talk. Leave me alone." And so, that's what I did. We moved on to another area. But my question is, is there something else, some other action I could have taken at that point that would have been helpful?
ELIAS: No. Acceptance of the expression is the most helpful. Be remembering that as you engage this new game, you are affecting of the other focus and their reality. Therefore, you wish not to be intrusive also to this other individual and their reality.
VICKI: That's the light in which I ask these questions. I realize that there's an affectingness, but I'm not very clear on what it is or what to do at certain points.
ELIAS: In this situation, just as you may be physically expressing to another individual physically before you, you would not be wishing to be intrusive and forceful to the other individual, but would be being accepting of their expression. Therefore, if a small child was physically before you and expressing, "I wish not to be talking," you would be accepting of this. Therefore, you also may be accepting of the other focus within the action of this new game, for it is the same.
VICKI: So basically, the nine steps would apply.
ELIAS: Quite.
VICKI: Okay.
ELIAS: You are engaging another focus, which is ultimately as real as this focus in which your attention is held.
VICKI: Okay, thank you.
ELIAS: You are welcome.
NORM: I had a couple of dreams. I have alternative interpretations, so I'd like to ask you a question about them. One of them was, I was looking at a scene as if it were an open field, perhaps grass and ground, and these two cartoon-like characters, pink, maybe like three or four years old, they were just spinning down the grass field, and they go right underneath a dog, and the word Italian came to mind. So I'm either thinking that this had something to do with Diana and Teresa, or it may have to do with myself and my focus as Stephen. And I'm trying to put the word Italian in this, so I'm confused.
ELIAS: (Accessing, and then, quite seriously) I am also confused! (Much laughter) Merely playing! (Grinning, as Drew heaves a mock sigh of relief) The All-Knowing has not slipped yet! (Chuckling)
DREW: Yeah! Boy, for a moment there....
ELIAS: (Chuckling) Be still, your beating heart!
The word Italian is your imagery to yourself in symbolization of the religious element and affectingness of belief systems within the disengagement of these individuals. You have offered yourself imagery within your dream state of these individuals and the scope of the religious element which is initially identified within the Roman Catholic church, which offsprings to the Anglican church, which also is affected within the disengagement of these individuals and the scope of the mass of the religious affectingness.
NORM: In the other dream, I'm in the back seat of my car behind the driver's seat with the left door open, and another car comes over and stops to the right as if they were lined up parallel to each other. The driver gets out of the car, and evidently the car was in gear, so the car starts to go forward. All of a sudden -- the steering wheel must have hit something -- it just turns to the left in front of my car. And I'm thinking that it's going to come all the way around, and I try to get to the front seat to back up my car. But all of a sudden, this thing just falls over, this car, this other car just falls over in front of my car, and it turns into a block. ELIAS: This being very similar imagery to Mylo with the same theme underlying of the belief systems which are attempting to be being engaged, therefore set in motion, but not wishing to be entirely making contact with these belief systems; therefore the disengagement of the movement, which very creatively images itself as turning into a block, which is your language for your action of what you do when you are not engaging belief systems. Quite creative!
DAVID: Are we going to be discussing very soon the religious aspect that you said we would be covering at some future point, in regards for example the sayings of Jesus in the bible, so that we can interpret them more?
ELIAS: We shall be engaging a series of discussions in this area. I am merely awaiting the movement of the twins.
DAVID: Oh, okay. (Pause)
DREW: Can I follow up about that woman, if I may?
ELIAS: You may.
DREW: I remember the other two questions I had. Was her beckoning an encouragement to investigate, or did it have some other meaning?
ELIAS: An encouragement to engage.
DREW: To engage. It seems to me that it's rather aggressive for the other focus to be bleeding-through to me requesting engagement as opposed to the way it's worked in the past, where I've had some bleed-throughs and some images and as a result of those I've investigated. This is the first time in my experience that another focus has stood before me and invited me to come investigate in such a blatant way.
ELIAS: You assume that because your attention is focused within this time framework engaging the shift, that all of your other focuses are not engaging the shift.
DREW: So this is actually action coming from that focus to me, as opposed to in the past my going the other direction?
ELIAS: Correct.
DREW: That's interesting. You also indicated that I was closer to this focus -- I think that was the word you used, or the connection with the focus or the bleed-through, I can't recall the words you used -- than the other focuses.
ELIAS: This is a misunderstanding. DREW: Okay, what was it that you said?
ELIAS: I am not meaning that you hold a stronger connection, but that you have allowed yourself to move closer in engagement of this focus than you have allowed yourself previously to other focuses.
DREW: And yet, the other focuses have had far more imagery and far more experience through TFE's and dreams, and I know more about them and can even picture scenes and have feelings and smells and that kind of thing. All I have of this woman is a vision basically, of her from the waist up, some physical aspect of her, and that's it. So how is it that I am....
ELIAS: It is the same in analogy -- (To Norm) I have not forgotten your analogy! I have not engaged conference yet! -- as viewing your focuses upon your television, that you may watch within many scenes and actually [be] engaging another focus, as it would be another individual right before you. (When Elias refers to his conferences, this is very tongue-in-cheek)
DREW: I can see that. There was a dimensionality to this that was different; more three-dimensional, more depth. So if I was going to pursue additional connection and bleed-through with any of my focuses, would you say that this particular one would be the most -- excuse the word -- "beneficial" to pursue at this time, in terms of learning and information?
ELIAS: Yes, for this be a future focus, in your terms.
DREW: Okay. Any other information?
ELIAS: Therefore, this individual holds information of the shift. Is this sufficient for ... (here, Elias uses his hands to indicate a "pushing along," an encouragement) ...?
DREW: If I said no, would it matter?
ELIAS: No. (Laughter)
DREW: I didn't think so. How about, "I'll investigate." Will that be okay?
ELIAS: Quite acceptable!
DREW: I shall. Thank you. (Elias chuckles)
DAVID: Would having a few toddies before one retires at night make any difference to one's dreaming? Like if one did not have a few toddies, would the dreaming be better in remembering easier?
ELIAS: Yes, for you create a layer of thickness within the connection of objective and subjective activity.
DAVID: Well, I like my couple of glasses of wine before I go to bed!
ELIAS: Then you may engage this action! I express not to you that this be incorrect!
I shall be disengaging this evening, and I shall be offering tremendous affection to you all and much amusement with you all, and looking forward to our next engagement, which may be Acceptance 103 ... or not! (Chuckling) Ah! This may be intriguing! Acceptance 103 of Mass Engagement ... (chuckling again, gleefully) ... or not! (Laughter) And I shall be quite affectionately this evening bidding you all a very fond au revoir, and anticipation of our engagement on the morrow. To you all, adieu.
Elias departs at 8:39 PM.
FOOTNOTES:
(1) Rather than give Norm a new analogy, Elias offered one that was given 1/28/96 in session #68. It is as follows:
You view yourselves as one instrument that may play limited notes and chords. View yourself as the symphony. You are all of the instruments, and you are the director. Where your attention projects to, the individual instrument plays, within every element of your focus. Therefore, you create all of your experiences.
If you are focusing upon a composer, do you look to this composer who has composed a symphony such as your Beethoven number five -- we will use this for Michael's benefit -- very harsh, tempestuous sound, very struggling, tragic, do you view this as bad? No. You do not ask the composer, "Why would you compose such a terrible piece of music?" You feast your ears and your senses upon the composition. You revel in its beauty of tone. You view it as only different from this same composer's symphony of six, which is light and easy and airy and beautiful and joyous! They are both compositions. They are both beautiful. They are both creations; neither being good or bad, but both being artful and both offered for their experience. In this same way you orchestrate your developmental focus, incorporating the tragic and the joyous for the experience.
(2) Over a year ago, Ron asked Elias to give him a list of truths, at which point Elias grabbed a box of tissues and started pulling them out one by one, tossing them everywhere. So, in the context of our sessions, truths are tissues ... or tissues are truths!
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