Saturday, March 20, 2004 (Group/Brattleboro, Vermont)
Participants: Mary (Michael), Andy, Barb, Barry, Bill (Zit), Carleen (Neliswa), Carol Lee (Theona), Christine (Lurine), Daniil (Zynn), Donna (Luera), Ester, Frank (X-tian), Holley, Ian, Inna (Beatrix), John E, John P, Kaustubh, Lorraine (Kayia), Lynda (Ruther), Natasha (Nichole), Pat (Treice), Rodney (Zacharie), Veronica (Amadis), Vineeta
Elias arrives at 2:23 AM. (Arrival time is 17 seconds.)
(Elias tone is serious, quite directed, and somewhat intense throughout this entire session.)
ELIAS: Good afternoon.
GROUP: Hello/good afternoon, Elias!
ELIAS: What we shall be discussing this day is intrusiveness and expressions of essence. First of all, what would you assess as an expression of essence? How would you define "expressions of essence"? (Pause)
KAUSTUBH: Isnt this body an expression of essence?
ELIAS: Yes, that is one expression of essence. How do you express yourself in this physical form, in this physical reality, as essence?
CHRISTINE: Through emotions and sexuality?
ELIAS: That would be an excellent text answer! (Much laughter) And what is meant in that?
CHRISTINE: Well, what the textbook descriptions of what those things are would be speech and feelings, physical movement, how we connect with each other and interact - all of those expressions, as you have described what sexuality and emotion is, or how I understand it.
ELIAS: Correct. Therefore, how do you express yourself?
CHRISTINE: By thinking, by talking, by singing, by artwork.
ELIAS: And how is that a reflection of natural movement of essence? And what is NOT a natural expression of essence?
CHRISTINE: Maybe when youre going against yourself and you feel within that its not what you desire or want to move to, and it makes you feel uncomfortable or unhappy. Would that be an incorrect expression of essence or not an expression of essence? If youre moving in a direction that you feel wonderful about, that you are drawn to, such as music that makes me happy or I do a painting that I just fall into it when Im painting it, that would be a natural expression of essence?
BARRY: Or buying new pots. (Laughter)
MALE: Isnt everything a natural expression of essence?
RODNEY: You have stated that preventing yourself from making choice, or not allowing yourself to make a choice, is one of the few things that would lead an essence to weep. My sense is that daring or having the courage or simply allowing, whatever it takes, to make choice is an expression of essence. I also sense that an expression of joy, playfulness, these are expressions of essence, and anything that really restricts those - human activities, Im talking physical dimension - when we restrict ourselves from making those, those are not expressions of essence.
VERONICA: Being concerned with being a people pleaser, being a community pleaser or a family pleaser rather than following our own natural inklings.
RODNEY: That was Veronica.
BARRY: Not using our own (inaudible).
BILL: This is Bill. I would think acceptance is an expression of essence and nonacceptance would not be.
ELIAS: These are all somewhat accurate responses, but not quite to the point.
RODNEY: Of course, youve stated that youre going to discuss intrusion, so I would sense that allowing whatever it is to be whatever it is without attempting to make it different is an expression of essence.
ELIAS: At times.
RODNEY: All right. I say "all right" only because essence has done little things in my environment that have kind of shifted me into doing something else.
NATASHA: Physical focus is an expression of essence, isnt it?
Now; let me express to you all, what we are discussing this day is responsibility. That is an expression of essence, expressing responsibility for yourself. We shall be discussing in the context of physical focus, for this is your reality and this is what you participate within. It is pointless to be discussing what you term to be cosmic expressions, for this is not your focus. Your attention is focused within this physical reality - this is what you move in, this is what you generate, this is what you experience. You are not experiencing nonphysical focus in this particular manifestation. You have chosen to be in this manifestation within this reality, and therefore this shall be our focus of discussion, what is real within your reality.
Within essence, within consciousness, there is no intrusiveness. It is not that it is not possible, for there are no absolutes. Therefore, it is possible to be intrusive in nonphysical areas of consciousness; it is not an action that is expressed.
But in physical realities, it is expressed. It is not a natural expression of essence. It is not a natural expression of consciousness, but that is not to say that it may not occur.
The reason that we shall engage this subject this day is that I am aware of a tremendous polarization which has been occurring recently within your physical reality, and this polarization is generating many different types of energies and is generating a contribution to the trauma associated with this shift, and this is not the point.
Individuals are incorporating this information that I offer to you in manners in which they are offering themselves permission to be intrusive, which they are also condoning within themselves and justifying within themselves as acceptable and in alignment with this shift in consciousness, and I may express to you now that this is NOT correct. No essence that is participating within this shift in consciousness in nonphysical form is offering any energy contrary to this shift in consciousness. No essence that is nonphysical is contributing or participating in any expression that justifies more conflict or trauma.
The point of any essence participating in an energy exchange to be offering information is to be responding to all of you that have requested information expressly to lessen the trauma that is associated with this shift in consciousness. Therefore, I express to you now, as Elias, that I do not condone or justify any action that is intrusive within your movements.
I am aware that many individuals that are expressing this type of action are not actually physically present within this group now this day. But it matters not, for I am also aware that this particular transcription of this discussion that we engage this day shall be offered to the entirety of the individuals that participate within this forum, and those individuals that are expressing this intrusiveness shall know and shall be aware of who they are. But it is significant that all of you understand also what constitutes intrusiveness and that you be aware of your participation in this shift in consciousness.
Collectively you move in very similar directions. You seek information; you seek to be more aware of yourselves, to intentionally direct your movements in directions that you want and that you choose. You seek to be generating an awareness of yourselves and each other that enhances your exploration within this physical direction. You also wish to incorporate information that shall be helpful to you to allow you to create what you want and to accomplish what you want within your own individual focuses and in your participation in this shift in consciousness. That is an action of becoming more familiar with yourselves and with your energy expressions.
To this point you have incorporated, all of you, widening your awarenesses to an extent in which you understand beliefs. You understand what mechanisms you incorporate as communication mechanisms to yourselves. You understand belief systems. You are beginning to recognize your individual truths, although there continues to be some confusion concerning truths in accordance with this present wave that is occurring in consciousness addressing to truths, which are not what you term to be cosmic truths. They are YOUR truths that you have generated in creating an absolute in association with any belief. You are beginning to understand that this shift is not eliminating beliefs and that beliefs are not your enemy.
But there is much that you have not objectively incorporated in awareness yet concerning your energies and how you express them and how you project them and what you project and how that is received. This is the point of responsibility.
None of you are responsible for other individuals. I have expressed from the onset of these interactions that you are not responsible for any other individual and their choices and what they create, and other individuals are not responsible for you, either.
You ARE responsible for what YOU create. You are responsible to yourself for what you create and you are responsible for what you project within consciousness, and that is expressed within your physical focus. I am not expressing to you an identification of what energy you express to the cosmos, so to speak, but what energy you express with each other and your interactions, and (distinctly, with emphasis) you may be aware of your energy. I have been interactive with many individuals for a time framework offering information concerning the energy that you express outwardly and configurations of energy, how you project energy, how it is received, how you receive it, how other individuals receive your energy, how you configure energy, how you reconfigure energy.
I have also expressed many times, generally speaking for the most part - and this is significant, underline - (intensely) you do not automatically reconfigure energy. It is not that you cannot, but generally speaking you do not. Therefore if energy is being projected to you, you shall generally configure it in almost the identical manner in which it is being projected.
If you are projecting energy to another individual in interaction, the other individual shall receive your energy and configure it in almost the identical manner in which you have projected it. There are time frameworks in which individuals do automatically reconfigure another individuals energy. That would be associated with an action that the individual is engaging in relation to their own beliefs and issues that may be being expressed in their reality in that time framework, which may influence them to reconfigure energy in association with what they are engaging themselves. Therefore, what is expressed may not necessarily appear the same as what is being received. I shall explain.
Another significant element to be recognized in association with projecting and receiving energy is that your natural state that you express and experience within your physical manifestation is to be open to the projections of other individuals. ALL of you are naturally open to the expressions of other individuals. This is what generates the availability for an individual to be intrusive.
To block an intrusive expression, the individual receiving must not be open to that reception, and the manner in which it would not be open would be to incorporate an awareness, prior to the reception, of what type of energy is being projected and whether you choose to receive it or not. This is the point, for most of you are not aware yet of your own energies and of what types of energies may be triggering of your beliefs that would influence you to generate hurtfulness within yourselves.
I have expressed many times, another individual does not project energy and CAUSE, so to speak, hurtfulness within you. They may INTEND that action, but they do not create your reality. Therefore, if you experience hurtfulness you have created that, (strongly) but in conjunction with what you have received.
Were you to incorporate an awareness clearly enough of your own energy and your own triggers, you would incorporate the objective intentional ability to reconfigure that energy that is being projected to you that incorporates the potential to trigger your incorporation of hurtfulness, and therefore prior to your reception of it, it would be reconfigured and you would not experience the hurtfulness.
But at this point, in this now, you do not incorporate that wide of an awareness. You do not incorporate that clarity and that familiarity with your own energies and with your own preferences and with HOW you can reconfigure energy to not incorporate hurtfulness. Therefore it is significant to recognize what you CAN incorporate within your awareness now, and what you CAN be aware of now, and what you CAN incorporate in projections of energy yourselves as an expression of essence in incorporating responsibility for yourselves, and how you generate that is to be aware of what energy you are expressing.
You may be incorporating an interaction with another individual and your intention may not be to be expressing hurtfulness, [but] as you engage the interaction you may be aware that the other individual is receiving your energy and is generating an expression of hurtfulness. You are all aware enough to know what energy is being configured by the other individual that you are interacting with. As you project it, if they are receiving it differently from what you perceive your projection is, you shall know. You shall be aware and you shall feel a twinge. You may be confused, for you may be examining your motivation and you may be examining in that moment what you have expressed and your intention, and you may be recognizing that your intention and your motivation was not to be expressing hurtfulness; but you are also aware that this is the manner in which it has been received.
In that moment, you provide yourself with an opportunity to reconfigure your energy [and] project again to be in alignment with your intention. For regardless of whether your intention is not to be incorporating hurtfulness to another individual, that energy may move anyway, for you may be incorporating other energies in any expression.
In any interaction, there is not merely one energy that is being expressed. For you incorporate many energies, and you may be incorporating another energy which does not concern the individual that you are interacting with. It may be associated with another experience; it may be associated with a belief within yourself; it may be associated with some other action that you are engaging not in that present now but that you are associating with, regardless.
You all incorporate these types of actions quite frequently. Regardless of what interaction you are engaging, generally speaking your attention is not so streamlined and focused that there is no other expression occurring and that your attention is not wandering, so to speak, to other areas of your experiences or other time frameworks - which we discuss quite frequently, the difficulty in holding your attention within the now.
Therefore, regardless of your intention, you may be expressing an interaction with another individual in an amiable manner in your perception. But energy is received and it is recognized much more clearly than any other type of communication. As the other individual receives it, they may be configuring it in the manner in which it is projected; but you are unaware of that other energy that has been projected in the interaction. Therefore you are confused why the individual is now perceiving that you have been expressing a hurtfulness to them.
I offered an example to an individual yesterday of a visualization to emphasize this concept and this expression of energy. I expressed to the individual to imagine themselves to be a pool, and within this pool, which is you, there are many, many, many fish and all of these fish are swimming. Some of these fish are swimming together and other fish are swimming in other directions, but they are all moving and they are all your energies, not merely one - many, many, many energies.
Now; in one area of the pool there are energies swimming and they are agitated. They are incorporating experiences that are irritating and challenging. In another area of the pool, the fish are swimming in a calm manner.
Now; the pool meets another pool and is interacting with the other pool. The attention is directed and focused in the interaction with the other pool. But the other pool incorporates many fish that are swimming also.
Now; as the first pool begins the interaction with the second pool, it is expressing in what it perceives to be an amiable manner, and the calm fish are swimming close to the surface of the pool in interaction with the other pool. But the irritated fish are becoming curious also, and therefore those energies move to be interactive also. Those energies are not concerned with the interaction with the other pool, but they are present.
If you are not aware of all of your fish, you shall not be aware of which fish are being expressed to the other individual and which fish they are catching. Your intention may be to offer them the calm fish, but some of the agitated fish are being caught also.
The point is to be aware of what you are expressing. Not to discount yourself if some of your agitated fish are being caught by the other individual, but to recognize that in that moment you incorporate the opportunity to re-net your fish and to contain the agitated fish and express within your intention.
It is also significant to recognize that within your interactions with other individuals, as you are naturally all open to interactions and therefore to reception of other individuals energies, intrusiveness is not justified. Intrusiveness is an action in which you project energy to another individual intentionally, knowing that it is most likely to be received and configured in a hurtful manner. This is an irresponsible act; this is not an expression of essence. This is not a natural expression of essence.
I am understanding that within this time framework there is tremendous challenge in association with this wave addressing to truths, and many individuals are experiencing considerable difficulty and confusion. But your difficulty and your conflict may be considerably lessened if you are genuinely paying attention to your own energies and to how you are projecting, and being responsible in your projections to other individuals.
For I may express to you, the reason that intrusiveness is not a natural expression of essence is that within consciousness it is known that any action that you incorporate with other individuals, with other essences, if it is intended to be intrusive or hurtful, what it accomplishes is being much more hurtful to yourself. It may not appear in that manner initially, but I may assure you that you cannot incorporate an action of hurtfulness without being more hurtful to yourself. And in that hurtfulness to yourself, you do deny yourself awareness and you do deny yourself choice, and you weep. (Pause)
Denial of choice is not a natural expression of essence; intrusiveness is not a natural expression of essence.
Understand that I am not incorporating this information concerning wars or violence, for those actions - even murder - are not necessarily intrusive, for individuals may be merely expressing their preferences, and they engage agreement. Wars are not incorporated without agreement; violence is not incorporated without agreement.
The type of intrusiveness that I am speaking to you of is the type of intrusiveness that devalues, the type that attempts to block choice, the type of irresponsibility that perpetuates trauma, that devalues the expressions regardless of whether you agree. I have expressed many times, you may be accepting and not be in agreement; you may be accepting and cooperating with each other and not agree with each other and not LIKE expressions of each other. But to intentionally express an energy to any other individual of devaluation of their self, to intentionally disregard the value of another individual is intrusive. And you do not necessarily devalue each other in violence, contrary to how it appears.
You devalue in expressing "it matters not," in a distorted context. I have been expressing this term of "it matters not" from the onset of my interactions with all of you, but I also have expressed the definition that I am not expressing that nothing matters. But in the expression of "it matters not," it is the lack of a judgment, the recognition that there is no judgment in association with certain choices or any choices, but not that choices do not matter, merely that they are not judged. But obviously they do matter, for the choices that you engage set your directions, and if you are incorporating certain choices in certain directions you may be expressing intrusiveness.
And what have you to discuss in this matter?
RODNEY: Elias, there seems to be, in the last statement that you made, if I want to express something, and its not my intention that its being intrusive but I become aware that its going to be interpreted or received as intrusive, what if - I guess this is a "what if" question - I want for myself or for another reason to make that expression, regardless of how it is received?
Now, let me put it in this context: Im speaking to three people and one of them is going to interpret this expression as intrusive, but I know the other two will not. If I understand what youre saying, then I should step back and project the energy again so that its not intrusive to all three. This sounds to me youve opened up...
ELIAS: A can of worms?
RODNEY: A real big can of worms! (Laughs) Is this an all or nothing...
ELIAS: I am expressing to you to be aware of your energy.
Now; in that awareness, if you are interacting with these three individuals and you are offering a projection of your energy, an expression, you may not necessarily know before you express your energy how it shall be received by all three of these individuals - but not that you cannot know if you are becoming much more familiar with energy itself. But in this, once you have expressed the energy and you recognize that one of the individuals has received and configured it in that manner...
RODNEY: Thats the case Im interested in, where I see it.
RODNEY: What do I do? (Laughter)
ELIAS: You allow yourself to reconfigure your energy and project again.
RODNEY: What if I feel its important enough to make this point over here and that the cost of making it over here... You know, Im talking in terms of war - the benefit I get from over here is worth the casualty I create over there. I could see this is a big, big can of worms. What I hear you saying is Im responsible.
ELIAS: For you.
RODNEY: Regardless, Im responsible for me.
ELIAS: You are responsible for you.
RODNEY: Im responsible for me.
RODNEY: But Im responsible for not attempting to reconfigure my energy so that all three ... this person is not experiencing hurtfulness?
ELIAS: If you know that you are expressing in a manner and the other individual is receiving your energy and is configuring it in a hurtful manner, and you know and you are aware...
RODNEY: Address it?
RODNEY: My responsibility is to address it and to correct my projection of energy?
ELIAS: To be responsible with YOUR energy, for YOUR energy. Is your intention to be hurtful to any of these three individuals? No, your intention is not to be hurtful, but you perceive and you know that one of the individuals has received that energy. It IS your responsibility to reconfigure, for the other individual has received what you have projected.
RODNEY: This is going to be an interesting exploration.
ELIAS: But you incorporate a wide enough awareness now to be recognizing your responsibility to yourself and to your energy.
Let me express to you quite strongly and quite definitely, it is not excusable any longer. Incorporating the information that you do now and incorporating the awarenesses that you do now, it is not excusable.
RODNEY: Ah, I knew this was coming! Youre ratcheting up the...
ELIAS: (Quite strongly and with increased volume) This essence shall not participate in intrusive actions. My intention or what you term to be my agenda from the onset of this forum has been to be helpful in lessening the trauma in this shift in consciousness, and I shall not participate in expressions of generating trauma. You all incorporate enough information and enough awareness now to be expressing this responsibility for your own energies.
RODNEY: What I was referring to is, I do become aware when an expression that I have created has not been received well, has been taken as a criticism or in some way a hurtful manner. I sense that in many, many, many cases, its like what do I do now? So I am aware of it. What I hear you saying is its a responsibility to not just let it go.
RODNEY: But to try to... Not "try to," I guess the term "correct it" is one way of saying it. But another way of saying it would be to see to it that the intention to hurt was not intended, that there has been a misunderstanding if you will, that it was received not as it was intended or at least how I thought it was intended.
ELIAS: But this is your responsibility, to recognize what energies of yours...
RODNEY: What other fish got in there.
RODNEY: Okay, I see.
JOHN P: Can it be a case that this third individual has reconfigured this energy so that they feel its intrusive when in fact it wasnt, or will they always be responding?
ELIAS: No, your question is valid, and my response to it is yes, that can occur but you shall know that also. You may discern the difference.
You do incorporate enough awareness to recognize the difference in which another individual may be reconfiguring your energy, as I expressed previously, in conjunction with some experience or issue that they may be presenting with themselves, and the difference shall be recognized within you. You shall know.
You shall incorporate a knowing and a twinge if one of your fish that was not intended slips into the stream; and if one of those fish not intended is not in the stream, you shall know for your responsiveness shall be different. You shall recognize time frameworks in interactions with individuals in which they are reconfiguring your energy, and in those moments it is your choice whether you may address to the individual or not.
RODNEY: So if I choose... Whats your name?
JOHN P: John.
RODNEY: John, following that example, I may see that that person is reconfiguring. Theyre looking at something which is totally not connected to what Im talking about. If I sense that theres nothing I can say to change that or to effect a different communication, my choice may be to disconnect.
ELIAS: Correct, but you are recognizing your energy and you are recognizing that the other individual has reconfigured.
RODNEY: So that would be a responsible act also...
RODNEY: ...in addition to the responsibility of recognizing that I did have another fish in there...
RODNEY: ...and they are picking up on the other fish accurately.
ELIAS: Yes, and discerning the difference.
BILL: Elias, is that other fish oftentimes representative of a portion of nonacceptance of something?
ELIAS: Many times, yes.
BILL: So there could be some aspect of myself, when Im projecting that, that Im nonaccepting of that Im not aware of...
BILL: ...so it can also be sort of a learning experience for me to bring back to myself, to learn what that fish is.
ELIAS: Quite definitely, yes. Quite definitely. It may be, as I have expressed, an opportunity for you to recognize what type of energy you are expressing and what you are projecting, and therefore also be more familiar with your own energy.
This, in a manner of speaking, is your next step in your movement within this shift, being more aware of energy. You have offered yourselves information and have allowed yourselves to be aware of beliefs and communications and how you create. Now it is significant that you be aware of energy, for THAT is what is expressed and it is affecting.
RODNEY: As an analogy, you have used the terminology... For instance, what I see Lynda projecting to me is a reflection of my energy to her.
RODNEY: So what youre talking about is cleaning the mirror off a little bit.
CAROL LEE: Elias, so if I didnt recognize that, I would say, "Okay, youre hurt; I dont care. Im going on my merry way - you do what you want. I dont care." Then I would go on my way, and then my energy would just... Instead of looking at the totality and the total picture, which would include me and that person also and where they are now, where I see them in my energy now, where I am, it would include that whole picture, and the other way would be I just walk away (snaps fingers) "Im on my way - Im outta here! Whatever!" So I leave something of myself behind in that interaction when I go away.
ELIAS: Figuratively speaking.
JOHN P: This is John. Is there also a responsibility of assessment in that? Its often a lot easier to recognize that somethings going on than to recognize exactly what it is thats going on. If youre not sure exactly what it is thats going on, you have a responsibility to take a pause and assess whether its what youre projecting or what theyre picking up.
BARRY: This is Barry. You have to know that what theyre thinking is about them and then you can say, "I leave it to you and go on my way." You have to know that its their problem. If you dont know that, you then have to reflect upon yourself, to check your energy, and maybe youll realize that your energy was what you wanted it to be so it must be something theyre doing. Theyre taking one of your calm fish because youre giving it to them, but they see it as an agitated fish or something like that.
ELIAS: That would be an action of their reconfiguration of your energy and not a projection of your energy in...
BARRY: Yes, but you cant dismiss them unless you KNOW that.
RODNEY: I think it would be... I mean this whole interaction, I would think that it would be fair game that if I see someone has misunderstood or has responded to energies that I didnt intend, it would be fair game if I saw that - and this would depend on the situation - to open it up and say, "Oh my god, what did you think I said?" or actually direct objectively, examine what is occurring there.
ELIAS: That is one method.
RODNEY: I mean, if Im in an interaction with someone and I desire for them to hear what I have to say and theyre responding that way and I would like them to get what Im expressing, I would think its fair game to open that up and discuss it.
ELIAS: Yes, that would be, as I have stated, one method of generating a reconfiguration of the energy.
CHRISTINE: This is Christine. In follow-up to that, in regards to this, if we are being aware of ourselves and the pools of fish that we may be projecting, then that would also allow us a certain ability, or maybe not completely responsibility, but at least an awareness of what people may be projecting to us. And this would go along with what Rodney is saying, in terms of when you realize theres something misconfigured, that they may be throwing their own fish into what theyre doing. We might be aware that theyre projecting energies that theyre not aware of, and maybe that would give us more acceptance into whats going on in the interaction and less...
ELIAS: Correct, but you do incorporate a wide enough awareness to recognize these expressions and to recognize these differences of projected energy. In that type of situation, your responsibility is to be aware of your own energy and not match energy with the other individual, recognizing that the other individual is incorporating their expression, and as you have expressed, some of their agitated fish are swimming in the stream. In that recognition of the energy exchange between you, you allow their expression, you choose not to participate, and you choose not to match energy.
RODNEY: Like in the no-conflict exercise?
CHRISTINE: Thats kind of what I meant.
RODNEY: Turn around and walk away?
ANDY: I notice the two things feel totally different. When youre contributing one of your bad fish to them and when youre not, it has a totally different feeling to it. I dont know exactly what it is; its maybe something like guilt. You can feel that even though largely you dont think youre doing it; you still feel it.
ELIAS: That is the twinge!
ANDY: And when you get rid of it, you have like this clean feeling.
ANDY: Even if theyre acting totally the same, you feel totally different.
ANDY: So you have to sort of aim for that clear feeling when you know youre not doing anything.
ANDY: Theyre very distinct.
ELIAS: They may be, although many individuals may not necessarily be clearly aware of that yet. But you incorporate an awareness that CAN be aware of these distinctions, you are correct. This is what I expressed, that you shall know if you are projecting some unintended energy, for YOU shall experience a twinge within your energy. You shall offer yourself some type of communication that is your indicator that you have projected some unintended energy and the other individual has received it and it is not a situation of reconfiguration.
JOHN E: If you have someones energy that is clearly violating your boundaries, from what Im hearing, one would disengage. The correct action is to disengage.
ELIAS: Disengage the interaction or disengage the reality?
JOHN E: Disengage the interaction.
ELIAS: That would be a choice.
JOHN E: But thats what Im hearing you say, that that is the method that should be pursued.
ELIAS: No, not that it should be; it is one action that you may incorporate. If you are aware of another individual being intrusive, you may choose to disengage the interaction. If you are not incorporating a clear enough awareness of how to be reconfiguring that energy yourself, that would be a suggestion, to be discontinuing the interaction for that would not be a matching of energy. Matching of energy merely perpetuates the scenario and perpetuates the conflict. Therefore, disengaging the interaction would be one expression or one method to interrupt and prevent the intrusiveness from occurring.
What we have been discussing is the prevention of it occurring within yourselves, and not necessarily blocking that type of action from another individual. The emphasis is upon being aware of your energy and that you do not express that intrusiveness with any other individual.
But conversely, if you are encountering an individual that is expressing intrusiveness and you are aware of this and you are aware that you are receiving that energy and you are configuring it in a manner of hurtfulness to yourself, an expression of essence would not be to retaliate and to match energy with that individual, but to buffer yourself, recognizing that you have drawn that individual into your reality. It is no accident that this individual is present within your reality. And in your responsibility to self, you may examine what you are attempting to communicate to yourself in allowing that individual within your reality and thusly responsibly choose how you shall proceed with your energy in not perpetuating the interaction and not supporting an action in which the other individual is encouraged to continue.
BILL: This is Bill. Is it true, Elias, that the more accepting an individual becomes the less he will feel intrusiveness? Lets say someone fully accepts everything, can he experience intrusiveness?
ELIAS: Likelihood not, for the individual would recognize how to automatically reconfigure that energy and not receive it in an intrusive manner.
BILL: So on the other hand, if someone is experiencing a great deal of intrusiveness, is that potentially a signal that theyre not accepting of many things?
BARB: Or theyre being intrusive themselves?
ELIAS: It may be, but that is not a rule. It is not necessarily what may be being expressed. As in any interaction, any reflection that you offer to yourselves, this is for you to evaluate what you are generating, what you are bringing into your reality and for what purpose. It may be to reflect your own lack of acceptance. It may be to reflect your own expression of intrusiveness to yourself, or it may be an expression that you offer to yourself to examine how you respond and whether you shall automatically match energy and whether you shall respond in an expression of essence.
BILL: Isnt hurtfulness, the feeling of hurtfulness, a nonacceptance of self? If I feel I can be hurt, Im not accepting of me?
ELIAS: Yes. But I may express to you in this awareness that you all incorporate now, you have not widened to the point that you do not experience hurtfulness yet. (Chuckles)
BILL: Thank you - I needed that! (Laughter)
LYNDA: Amen, brother!
ELIAS: Therefore, as I began, we are addressing to what you are actually experiencing and what your movements and your creations are in this physical reality and what your awareness is to this point, and not moving into the cosmic expressions of "if you were," for that is a moot point, for you are not. Therefore it matters not if you were, for what you ARE is what is significant, and what you DO is what is significant.
In this present now you all incorporate the capacity to generate hurtfulness and to automatically assess that it is being inflicted by another individual. Addressing to those creations, we are discussing what generates that intrusiveness, how you may be buffering to not be receiving, for it is your choice. It is not a requirement that you receive energy from other individuals merely that they project it. You choose.
And this is the point, you are not always aware objectively of your own energy and your own openness. Therefore you automatically allow the reception and you automatically configure it in the manner in which it was projected. If it was projected in an intrusive manner and intrusive intention, the likelihood is that you shall receive it in that manner.
KAUSTUBH: In talking about intervening and intervention, you also in the past said that if you want to help somebody you could lend them energy. Now, if that person or persons have created a situation which in your perception is negative and if they are feeding off each other, and if you try to insert your own positive energy as a healing energy into something that they have created for themselves for their own value fulfillment in whatever way, can positive energy also be intrusive or is it justified to try to consciously send somebody healing or positive energy when they dont consciously know about it?
ELIAS: I am aware, and it is their choice of whether they receive it or not. That would not be an intrusive action, and it is the choice of the receiver to incorporate it or not. It may be received but it is their choice of how to configure it. They may configure it in a perpetuation of what you perceive to be the negative interaction or situation. But they have received it; it is merely their choice of how they incorporate it.
KAUSTUBH: So its obvious if the intention is clear it should not matter, or it should not be intervened.
BARRY: I have a question about not so much intrusiveness but devaluing. We do that so often with humor. Theres someone in this room that I did it with, when we talked about the snow - Lynda? We kind of devalue. Someone does the devaluing and then the other person does it, and when the other person gives the same energy back, they laugh. Is that like a healing or are we just... I cant go any further, because...
ELIAS: I am understanding. At times, it may be. At times it may be a connection that occurs, and recognition between the individuals and generating an acknowledgment and a comfort.
BARRY: Thats the reason I asked, because it was a good feeling.
RODNEY: Elias, I have a question about reconfiguring or buffering energy. Lets suppose Im in an office and theres a person I work with whos having a bad day. Things have not gone well for that person, and theyre just taking potshots at everybody. Theyre being as hurtful today as they can be to the world. I come in their sights, and they hit me with a salvo.
Now, in buffering or reconfiguring energy, if I recognize in my mind that what theyre expressing really doesnt have anything to do with me...
RODNEY: ...would you call that buffering or would you call that reconfiguring? What am I doing in that scenario?
ELIAS: That would be buffering. That is generating an awareness of the other individuals energy and of yourself and thusly automatically generating a buffering, knowing that it does not concern you.
FRANK: So youre resisting the automatic response to match the energy, which is a key factor.
ELIAS: Correct. The other individuals expression in that type of scenario is not necessarily intrusive, for it is not INTENDED intentionally to be devaluing. The individual is not necessarily incorporating an objective awareness, a knowing, of what they are expressing and intentionally generating a projection of energy to be devaluing.
RODNEY: Theyre really just screaming.
ELIAS: Correct, and releasing energy and expressing frustration. And you all experience frustration.
RODNEY: In that scenario what would reconfiguration look like?
ELIAS: A reconfiguration of energy would be for you to actually express an energy in a different manner to the individual that would be influencing of the individual and interrupting their expression.
RODNEY: That would be reconfiguring?
BARRY: Like putting your arm around them and hugging them, saying, "I know youre having a bad day and Ill do what you want me to do," or something like that.
ELIAS: Or in your example, perhaps incorporating an unexpected expression of humor in association with what the other individual is expressing, that is unexpected by the other individual. It is not an expression that is feeding the other individuals payoff, and therefore it interrupts the expression of energy that they are projecting.
That is an example of reconfiguring energy, for you are allowing the reception. You are not buffering; you are participating; you are choosing to engage. Therefore you have allowed the reception, but you are not receiving it in the manner in which the individual is projecting it. You are reconfiguring it and thusly expressing outwardly in a different manner.
RODNEY: I can think of a very intense discussion I was having with the man who runs my company, and we were at loggerheads. I shifted my energy intentionally and with awareness, and the next thing that came out of his mouth was the most comical statement in the world: "Well, whos gonna buy my daughters shoes?" Which was so ludicrous, because this guys very wealthy. That bit of humor, what I did and that bit of humor was a total reconfiguration.
RODNEY: And this is how youre using the term.
ELIAS: Correct, and that generates a different outcome.
RODNEY: Yes, big time.
ELIAS: Yes, it is quite obvious.
We shall break and continue subsequently.
BREAK at 3:48 PM
RESUME at 4:14 PM (Arrival time is 15 seconds.)
DONNA: Elias, I have a question. If Im understanding you correctly, youre saying if our intention is not to be hurtful and yet we see hurtfulness reflected to us, then we are intrusive; but if there is a person, like in Rodneys office, who is just going around blasting everybody, then thats not intrusive?
ELIAS: I am not expressing to you that if your intention is not to be hurtful that you are being intrusive if it is being received by another individual in a hurtful manner. What I am expressing to you is that you do incorporate a responsibility for yourself and your energy, to recognize what energy you are projecting and to reconfigure that.
The individual in the other scenario is also not being intrusive, and in that scenario it is your choice to be aware of your energy, that you are not matching energy with the individual. You may choose whether you shall reconfigure that energy or whether you shall buffer that energy to not participate with it.
DONNA: So the intention shows whether you are being intrusive or not.
ELIAS: Yes. But as I have stated, regardless of whether the intention is not to be hurtful, you may be projecting energy that contains an expression of that. In your recognition of that, it is your responsibility to be reconfiguring that energy to match your intention.
VERONICA: Excuse me, before you talked about a twinge. Is that twinge in response to the recipients hurtfulness, whether were aware of their being hurt or not? Is it a reflex of the energy that we projected?
ELIAS: It may be. That may be one indication.
VERONICA: But not necessarily.
ELIAS: Not necessarily. You may recognize that twinge of energy before the other individual responds. You may recognize once you have expressed the energy and the interaction, before the other individual is responding, that you are already incorporating a twinge and you anticipate that the other individual shall be receiving your projection in a hurtful manner.
VERONICA: So that could be a gauge to us, like a response from an inner self?
ELIAS: In a manner of speaking; it is your communication to yourself.
But as I have stated, at times you may not necessarily be aware of before the other individual is responding. But in the response of the other individual, it is your responsibility to evaluate whether that response is their configuration of energy different to what you have projected, or whether you actually have projected an element of energy that is hurtful.
As I have expressed, it is not as difficult as you may perceive it to be. You do incorporate the awareness to discern and you shall know in each scenario what the differences of energies are. You do incorporate a strong enough awareness of yourselves now and of other energies to recognize your own participation, if you are genuinely paying attention to yourself and if you are genuinely paying attention to your energy.
VERONICA: Does that place a responsibility on us to... (The video camera is unplugged at 3:20 PM by a small dog - who shall remain unnamed - and approximately 7 minutes of session are missing.)
LYNDA: Does that say recording? Okay, continuing. (Elias chuckles)
BILL: Okay, now Ive got to remember my question! (Laughter)
Oftentimes when I am angry and possibly others are angry at another person - if I stub my toe I get angry at the chair and its a very different thing - I say things that are hurtful to the other person, and in that moment it seems to me I am being hurtful. It seems what you were telling Rod when he was angry - I dont know what you were expressing when you were angry - but sometimes when Im angry I lash out at people with the intent of hurting them. Is that what you mean by intentionally being hurtful?
ELIAS: That would be one scenario.
BILL: Even though I regret it afterwards, I was intrusive and I was intentionally hurtful.
ELIAS: And this is the reason that you regret it, for that is a natural expression of essence, not to be expressing in that manner, and you shall offer yourself a communication concerning your behavior and your projection.
What is more inexcusable is time frameworks in which an individual ignores the natural expression of essence, expresses a projection of intentional devaluing and hurtfulness to another individual, and justifies.
JOHN P: Elias, what about situations where we watch an exchange between two other people and were not directly participating but we see something like this happen? Im not sure we have any explicit responsibilities, but it seems like there may be some implicit ones.
ELIAS: You do not incorporate responsibility for other individuals.
JOHN P: But I do care about the people in question...
ELIAS: I am understanding.
JOHN P: ...and I care about the exchange that occurs.
ELIAS: I am understanding. In this, what may be helpful to you is to recognize that the other individuals are incorporating their choices. They are creating their reality.
Many individuals at times generate intrusive expressions of energy. Generally speaking, they do incorporate a communication subsequently to themselves and they experience either guilt or regret and a recognition of what they have projected.
As I have expressed, even if you are participating, even if you encounter an individual who is being intrusive, it is your responsibility to be aware of your energy, why you have drawn that to your reality, for it is not accidental. No other individual shall express within your reality if you have not drawn that into your reality. Therefore, in your terms, there is a reason that you incorporate.
Therefore, you evaluate what the reason is that you have drawn that into your reality, recognize your energy to not be matching energy with that individual, and evaluate your choices: Do you continue to participate with this individual? If so, what is your motivation, what is your payoff? What information are you attempting to offer to yourself if you choose to continue to participate with this individual and allow that action to continue? If not, it is significant that you continue to pay attention to your energy and how you buffer that individual and what choices you incorporate to alter the situation - in a manner of speaking, once again in your terms, honoring yourself and your energy.
This is the point. You cannot prevent another individual from expressing in this manner, for you do not create their reality. You cannot prevent another individual from receiving that type of energy, for you do not create their reality. You may offer supportive energy to another individual in acceptance, but remember, some individuals do choose to participate with an intrusive energy, but you may not necessarily be aware of their direction and what their value fulfillment is in that participation.
As an example, you may encounter another individual and have drawn that individual into your reality and that individual may be expressing quite intrusively and hurtfully to you, and you perhaps may choose not to buffer. You may choose to continue to interact with this individual and allow yourself to receive that energy. Perhaps your motivation is to explore an experience of being a victim. Or perhaps your choice to continue to allow the interaction and to allow your reception of that individuals energy in that intrusiveness may be to examine different qualities within yourself, or perhaps to generate some type of understanding of the expressions of the other individual, or perhaps merely curiosity. Or you may choose to continue to participate with the other individual as an actual mirror of yourself. You may choose to engage conflict. You may be in that particular scenario valuing that type of expression and that type of energy, and you may actually want to participate in an intrusive action.
Therefore what is significant in viewing other individuals and their choices is to recognize your preferences and your truths, for these are your guidelines concerning yourself and your behaviors and not to project those to other individuals. Their direction may be different; their value may be different. Although you may be witness to what you perceive to be uncomfortable or upsetting situations and interactions with other individuals, these are their choices.
I am understanding that this is difficult for many individuals, but this is also why you have chosen to be incorporating this particular wave in this time framework to be addressing to truths. Not to eliminate them, for they are beliefs. They have merely been generated into absolutes. But to recognize your individual truths and how they influence you and how they influence your behaviors and your perceptions and how they influence your judgments of other individuals.
KAUSTUBH: Adding on to this question, supposing that a person who has been hurtful is indirectly being hurtful to you through this other individual? So in that case, youre suggesting to just look at yourself...
ELIAS: And recognize what you are triggering within yourself. For the other individual is not indirectly being hurtful to you, YOU are creating the hurtfulness within yourself. Therefore, you are responding to the choice of the other individual, which is not directly projecting to you.
Therefore it is significant that you evaluate what beliefs you are expressing and what you are triggering within yourself that moves in opposition to your preferences and therefore is generating this responsiveness.
KAUSTUBH: Sometimes it involves other individuals that are close to you, like your parents or whatever.
ELIAS: I am understanding. I may express to you all, it is especially more challenging if you are concerning yourself with individuals that you are intimate with or that you do incorporate a closeness in relationship with. It is much easier to disassociate with an individual that you perceive to be a stranger, for you do not personalize with strangers, but you do with individuals that are more closely associated with you. You recognize the interconnectedness and also somewhat of the lack of separation. But it is significant for you to also be aware of what you are generating.
Assuming personal responsibility for other individuals is not helpful. It is distracting to you [and] it is distracting in your attention, which perpetuates projecting your attention to the other individuals rather than paying attention to yourself and your own energy. You do not incorporate helpfulness to the other individual, either, in assuming personal responsibility for them.
It is enough that you generate responsibility for yourselves. That in itself is an enormous task. I would not concern yourselves with assuming personal responsibility for other individuals. That does not accomplish what you want. Conversely, paying attention to yourself and expressing your preferences and not concerning yourself with the expressions and choices of the other individuals allows you to more clearly be supportive and an example, which IS helpful.
NATASHA: May I offer another scenario, a short scenario? There are two individuals, two friends, say. They are not in agreement about something. One wants to offer a gift and the other is expected to receive the gift, and the other friend does not want to receive a gift. To receive the gift would be for the person to force himself to do something that he is not inclined to do at all, and he has a very strong rejection. On the other hand, if you express your rejection to your friend, you know it will not be received well and that person will get hurt. What are you supposed to do?
ELIAS: Pay attention to you. That is not an intrusive action.
NATASHA: I do not want to receive this gift, but I know by not receiving the gift it will hurt this person.
ELIAS: I am understanding. Your intention is not to be hurtful. That is the choice of the other individual, to express and experience that hurtfulness. Your responsibility is to you and to pay attention to your preferences, and if the preference is not to receive a particular gift, honor that, for that is your preference.
The point is not to move into an expression of allowing other individuals to dictate your choices. The point is to be paying attention to yourself and to be aware of your intentions and your motivations. Intrusiveness is expressed intentionally with a knowing of what is being expressed.
NATASHA: Thank you.
ELIAS: You are welcome.
LORRAINE: Elias, this is Lorraine. Im still having a problem with the intrusiveness. If I get into a discussion with someone about politics or anything, and I get upset and angry and I disagree with them and I call them a name - I call them an asshole or whatever - thats hurtful to them, maybe. So thats a hurtful thing, and youre saying that if I ... and at that time Im not gonna feel real guilty about it or anything. But when you said earlier that murder is not necessarily intrusive, so if I killed them it would better? Im not sure... (Laughter)
ELIAS: It is not necessarily better or worse. They are merely different actions. In an action such as murder there is an agreement.
LORRAINE: There isnt an agreement in an argument? Calling each other names is not an agreement?
ELIAS: It is dependent upon the situation. It is dependent upon whether both individuals are choosing to be in agreement to be generating the conflict. In certain scenarios both individuals are in agreement to generate conflict and they are participating together purposefully. All of acceptance is not necessarily expressed in joy and calm and euphoria.
LORRAINE: I think I was under the impression that in any situation where anything was going back and forth that it was always the person receiving that always made the choice whether to receive or to reject that energy.
LORRAINE: So if they are receiving it, they have chosen it.
ELIAS: Correct, but are you aware of that choice?
LORRAINE: Im assuming that thats true. I make the assumption that its true.
ELIAS: In practical terms, in actual experiences, not intellectually but in actual experiences in a situation in which another individual is intentionally expressing hurtfulness to you and you are receiving it, in that moment I express to you, I dare say you shall not be expressing to yourself "I chose to receive this."
LORRAINE: And thats what we would call taking it personally, if you take it personally? No?
ELIAS: Not necessarily; at times, yes, but not necessarily. What I would be expressing to you in inquiry would be if you are engaging conversation with another individual concerning any subject - your example was politics - and you are not in agreement with their opinion, what is your motivation for expressing argument and expressing name-calling and expressing in anger?
LORRAINE: Im right and theyre wrong, that kind of thing? Nothing wrong in that! (Laughter)
ELIAS: Which would be the point in this wave in truths, to be recognizing difference and to be accepting of difference and to be examining your responses to difference and to be examining what motivates you to be expressing judgment and to be pushing against difference. What does it threaten within you?
LORRAINE: I was gonna say, I think fear is a big part of it.
ELIAS: And discounting and defending. If you are defending, you are discounting. If you perceive that you need to be defending of your self, of your position, of your expression, of your behavior, you are already discounting yourself. Whatever you are defending, you are doing so for your perception is that that expression that is being defended is not adequate enough and therefore it must be protected.
LORRAINE: Dont people kill each other for those same reasons though? It can go that far?
ELIAS: At times.
LORRAINE: So murder is a discounting of self?
ELIAS: It is dependent upon the situation; it is dependent upon the scenario.
LORRAINE: But it can be.
ELIAS: It can be. In the action of the perpetrator, not necessarily in the action of the victim.
LORRAINE: They may or may not have a different reason.
BILL: Elias, this is Bill again. I have a question about choice. I seem to be coming to grips with the fact that thought translates, and when thought is getting enough information, my want is in alignment with my desire, and I get what I want. So thought doesnt choose, it seems. What is it that chooses, what part of me makes the choice, because I know its not thought anymore. How do I get to that part that chooses?
ELIAS: That element is not as hidden from you as you perceive it to be. And it is not a thing; it is you. Your choices are expressed in what you do, and this is the reason that I continue to express to you repeatedly to pay attention to what you do, for that is your evidence of what you are choosing.
BILL: So the you that you say "you choose," is that essence or is that another... Im just trying to connect with...
ELIAS: It is you, Bill, this you, this attention, in this manifestation, you and all that you consist of. That is what generates choice, and you do it quite objectively. You merely do not pay attention to what you are doing. You pay attention to what you are thinking...
BILL: A lot!
ELIAS: ...but you do not necessarily pay attention to what you are doing, and what you are doing is the expression of what you are choosing.
Now; "what influences what you are doing," that is more what your question is referring to - what is behind what you are doing. That concerns your beliefs and the influences of your beliefs, and every belief incorporates many different influences.
BILL: So when Im making choices that my thought tells me I dont want to make, basically Im not paying attention to what Im doing and then going further and finding the influences?
ELIAS: If you are paying attention. The influences are expressed whether you are recognizing them or not. The belief is being expressed whether you are identifying it or not. But the manner in which you begin to recognize is to be paying attention to what you are actually doing.
This is significant, for I have expressed this statement many, many times. I am aware that for most of the individuals that listen to that statement, your automatic association is to think concerning what you are doing in specific events or what you anticipate doing in specific events, and you are merely paying attention to what you assess as significant or large choices.
I have expressed previously, I am not speaking to you of paying attention to an anticipated event or choice, but to be paying attention to what you are actually expressing now in this present day. What type of energy are you expressing? What actions are you incorporating? For those mundane actions that you move within automatic pilot with are the actions that are indicating what beliefs you are expressing and what type of energy you are expressing.
Those actions are the evidence of what direction you are moving within and therefore are also your indicators concerning those large choices or those anticipated events. THOSE are the actions and the choices and the doing that you are not paying attention to, and they are significant.
BILL: The trouble is, I thought I was paying attention to what I was doing. I think about certain beliefs that are involved with the doing and I still wind up doing the same doing, so maybe Im just not going deep enough into the beliefs that surround the doing that I dont want to do? You understand?
Like I started smoking and Im a long-distance runner, and Im just weirded out to the max by that. Im accepting of it, its a choice that I made, and Im thinking what am I doing, Im smoking? Most of my beliefs about smoking are the mass beliefs, but Im not beating up on myself about it. Im sort of sitting with it and Im still trying to figure out why Im smoking. It gets to be like being on a hamster wheel with this...
ELIAS: I am understanding.
BILL: ...because its not going away.
ELIAS: Which is your indication that you are choosing this action, for you are doing it.
BILL: (Laughing) I know it!
ELIAS: But you are also not expressing fighting with that doing, regardless that you assess that you believe in similar manner to other individuals concerning the action of smoking.
Now; let me express to you, believing and beliefs are not the same. What you believe is not necessarily an indication of what you incorporate as an expressed belief.
What is your conflict with this scenario?
BILL: The conflict is that the mass belief about smoking is going to keep me from reaching this goal I had, a particular race a year from now.
ELIAS: And what is your assessment?
BILL: I get a little bit conflicted by that, because I also trust that Im going to make the goal anyway.
ELIAS: This is the point. This is the point of being aware of what you are doing, being aware of your beliefs, not necessarily what you believe, but your beliefs and what influences they are expressing or what influences you are allowing and examining your motivation for your doing.
In this, you have already expressed your answer to your question. Your belief is that you trust your physical body consciousness, and therefore regardless of the mass belief concerning this substance, regardless of whether you believe that it incorporates the potential to influence you to create physical harmfulness to yourself, you also incorporate a strong belief associated with your abilities in physical expression that overrides. That is a stronger expression and a stronger alignment and therefore is more strongly influencing, and in this you continue to choose the action of the smoking in curiosity.
BILL: Its really interesting; Ive been smoking for about a year now, and my races are getting faster.
ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, you are merely curious and exploring your abilities in the face of odds, so to speak, and testing whether you actually generate your reality and whether you can create regardless of mass expressions.
BILL: Thats great. There are a lot more aspects to that, but Im going to let other people talk. I appreciate it; that was very helpful.
ELIAS: You are welcome.
BARRY: This is Barry, because now Im very confused. (Laughter) I dont do something because of what I believe; my beliefs come from what I do.
ELIAS: No! Your beliefs influence all that you do.
BARRY: But when I have to make a choice, I do what I feel will bring me happiness or something.
ELIAS: At times.
BARRY: So if I was a runner, which Im not, if I was a runner and I started smoking, I chose to smoke, I would then have a belief that, as you explained to him, that I am testing my belief in my physical ability.
ELIAS: That belief has already been incorporated. He already incorporates a belief in strength and a belief in practice which generates more strength and a belief concerning the mechanisms of the physical body form and his ability to manipulate that. That is already expressed, whether he incorporates an awareness objectively of that or not. The belief already is expressed.
Now; he may incorporate thought processes and express to himself that he believes that the action of smoking is bad, but that is not necessarily affecting. That is a translation, a thought process. Thoughts do not create reality; they translate. In this, you all incorporate different expressions of identifying different elements that you believe, but that is not to say that you necessarily incorporate the same expressed belief, and the belief is what influences your doing.
An individual may express to myself, which in actuality occurs quite often, "I do not believe in religious expressions. I do not believe in religious elements," or "I do not believe in religious beliefs," and I may express to them, "This is ludicrous. Yes, you do." If you express, even in conjunction with this information, that essence is greater than you, you incorporate religious beliefs and they are expressed, regardless of whether you believe you express them or not.
BARRY: Im still confused.
ELIAS: I am understanding.
LORRAINE: Maybe I can add to that a little bit. This is Lorraine. Ill say it for myself: sometimes I would say something like I dont believe that I discriminate against people, I dont believe that I dislike blacks or gays or whatever. But then you find yourself doing something in some way in which you actually are discriminating. You can say intellectually to yourself that I dont believe I discriminate against anybody, but I will find myself doing it.
LORRAINE: Basically my beliefs are one thing, but what I think I believe is another thing.
BARRY: That is not what Im speaking of. Ill use an example. Ill try to use the smoking. I have a desire to smoke, so Ill smoke. Whether I run or not I guess is irrelevant. But I have a belief that smoking is bad, but I know I want to do this and I just do it. Therefore I change my perception to smoking is not bad, because if it were bad - which of course Im now confused because it is a judgment - I wouldnt do it.
ELIAS: Not necessarily. You may choose to be incorporating the action anyway, even knowing that you incorporate this belief that is expressed with you that it is bad.
You may choose to incorporate that action for many different reasons: perhaps to challenge yourself, perhaps to challenge your belief, perhaps in curiosity to examine what you might create in association with that. Perhaps to actually generate a physical affectingness, and that may be incorporated for many reasons. You may choose to be generating that action and creating an actual dis-ease and you may choose to create that for a myriad of reasons, not merely to disengage, but that may also be a reason. It may be a method.
BARRY: I understand now.
VERONICA: Excuse me, Elias, could you return to the belief that we are engaging religious beliefs, although we may deny it, with the belief that essence is greater, if I believe that my essence is greater than I?
ELIAS: It is you.
VERONICA: So I am using the analogy of god, something outside of me, is greater than myself? (Elias nods in agreement.)
BARRY: I have an example; Im sorry to take up time with this. I have a belief, I was brought up to believe that God judges and punishes and rewards. That is my belief. I have a feeling to do something - I cant think of an example - and I realize that that is what I must do, that is what my essence is telling me to do, and its telling me not to make a judgment about something, anything. So I then choose, I then have this choice, I will no longer make judgments. Then I go to my religious belief, which is a God who makes judgments, and thats not my belief. So what Im doing about making this choice of not judging is Ive changed my belief.
ELIAS: No, you have not changed your belief. You have allowed yourself choice, and that is an action that you incorporate in ACCEPTING the belief, not challenging it, not judging it. You have not changed it and you have not eliminated it, but you are allowing yourself choice.
BARRY: But I no longer believe that God judges. I changed that belief. Thats what I dont understand.
ELIAS: You have not changed the belief. You have neutralized it, for you are not expressing in alignment with it and you are not generating conflict. Therefore you have accepted an aspect of that belief and allowed yourself choice. The belief continues.
BARRY: But it doesnt; I dont have it anymore. I dont have that belief anymore. I have nothing from what I was taught, nothing. At least I think I dont. (Laughter as Elias grins) Youre telling me that I do.
ELIAS: You do, but it...
BARRY: But when I make a choice it has nothing to do with that. I dont understand.
ELIAS: I am understanding how you are intellectualizing in this manner. What I am expressing to you, you are not an exception to this reality. In choosing to participate in this reality, you also choose to agree with its blueprint and with its design, and its design and its blueprint incorporate all belief systems, and all the beliefs within all of the belief systems...
BARRY: As long as people still believe them.
ELIAS: No. [All the beliefs within all of the belief systems] are incorporated by every individual that participates in your physical reality. Not all of them are expressed, and in the acceptance of a belief you may choose whether it is expressed or not. And that is what you have done. You have not eliminated.
And I may express to you, what you have done is not set in stone. It is not an absolute, either. That is a choice in each moment, to continue to express in that manner, to continue to accept a particular belief and therefore neutralize it and choose to not allow its influences, or to choose to allow other influences that you more prefer in association with that belief.
But you have not eliminated it; it is not gone. None of the beliefs are eliminated. They are not changed.
BARRY: But they dont influence my choices.
LORRAINE: But you dont align with it. I think thats what you mean, that we dont align with it anymore. Theyre all there, all billions of them, but we just dont align with that particular one in this moment.
LORRAINE: In the next moment we may realign with it.
LORRAINE: So its semantics. (Elias chuckles)
DANIIL: So I have a different scenario. If I have a belief that I cannot walk through the wall, I can only go through the door, no matter how hard I try I cannot go through the wall, thats an indication that I have a belief I cannot go through the wall. Now, if there was a shaman that he or she could go learn to go through the wall, but even though they could, they would still have that belief. They would not align with it maybe, but they would still have it.
ELIAS: It may not be expressed.
DANIIL: Because if we didnt have it at all, we would be in a no-time, no-space kind of thing, and there would be nothing to go through.
LYNDA: Get down, Danny! (Elias chuckles)
KAUSTUBH: Elias, Im trying to connect what youre saying with another source or another channel by the name of Abraham. I dont know what his intent is, but certainly not entirely unlike this discussion. What hes trying to say is that if you think a thought from a position of black, like if you were unhealthy and from that feeling you try to say or think that you want to become healthy, you would not become healthy. But however if you think that thought from a positive emotion, then you would in fact attract what you want. So how does this connect with what you were trying to say? (Pause)
ELIAS: I am in agreement. Thought does not change what you are actually creating. Emotion is a communication. Therefore, it is expressing to you an identification of what is influencing what you are creating and what you are expressing.
Now; if you recognize through the emotional communication what belief is influencing your creation of a physical manifestation, you may choose to be generating a different energy and you may choose to not continue. That may be somewhat tricky though, at times, for it also concerns your motivation.
You may not necessarily be experiencing comfort in what you are creating, but the examination of what is motivating you to create that is significant. For you may express within thoughts that you are uncomfortable, that you do not like what you have created and you do not want to be continuing to create it, but there may be some element within your experience in which you actually do want to continue that experience.
Therefore it is significant that you pay attention to what your motivation is and what type of energy you are expressing, to allow yourself an evaluation of what you are generating.
KAUSTUBH: What exactly is his intent, like what family does he do that for, his channeling?
ELIAS: I would express to you to pose that question to the other entity. (Chuckles)
I shall be incorporating one more question and we shall discontinue.
DONNA: Elias, I have a question regarding Natashas example of another person giving me a gift and me not wanting it. So I make a choice and I choose my preference to not incorporate the gift, and I am aware that they will take that in a hurtful manner. In my acceptance of my preference, would there then not be a reflection of the hurtfulness?
ELIAS: It is possible.
DONNA: But then its also possible that I would still see the hurtfulness.
ELIAS: It is possible.
DONNA: Then what would that say to me, what is that reflecting to me? Anything?
ELIAS: Yes, it is reflecting to you that you continue to incorporate some expression within yourself of not accepting your choices and your ability to express your preferences freely without generating an expectation of yourself.
DONNA: An expectation of what within myself?
ELIAS: It is dependent upon the situation, but generally speaking it would be an expectation of yourself to be compliant with other individuals and to be gracious, to be accepting.
DONNA: To be not hurtful of their feelings?
DONNA: Its an expression of personal responsibility.
ELIAS: Personal responsibility, yes.
DONNA: Thank you.
ELIAS: You are welcome.
FRANK: Or you could just accept the gift and give it to me! (Much laughter, and Elias laughs loudly)
I express to you as always, my dear friends, tremendous affection, an invitation to be continuing our interaction in our friendships, and tremendous encouragement to you all in this journey. For I am aware of the challenges that we have discussed this day, but I also incorporate tremendous confidence that you shall succeed. (Chuckles)
GROUP: Hear, hear! (Applause) Thank you.
ELIAS: To you all in tremendous lovingness, au revoir.
GROUP: Au revoir.
Elias departs at 5:25 PM.
NOTE: The transcriber would like to thank Donna/Luera for her excellent notes from this session, indicating who said what. Thanks, Donna!
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Copyright 2004 Mary Ennis, All Rights Reserved.