Sunday, February 17, 2002 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael), Jim (Trecia), Mavis (Mouve) and Nicole (Neajwah)
Elias arrives at 2:11 PM. (Arrival time is 23 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

ALL: Good morning; hi, Elias.

ELIAS: Ha ha! Welcome!

MAVIS: Thank you. How are you this fine day?

ELIAS: As always, and yourself?

MAVIS: Very good; very happy to be talking to you again.

ELIAS: Very well. How shall we proceed?

MAVIS: Well, Jim was going to ask his questions first so I'll let him go.

ELIAS: Very well.

JIM: We also have our daughter Nicole on the line with us, so there are three of us here.

ELIAS: Very well.

JIM: I'll start off. Probably the area that I tend to think the most about and I think is probably one of our biggest challenges is believing that we fully create our reality while we are interacting with other people. I know from what I've read in some of the other sessions, you talk about where in many ways we are interacting with ourselves, because we are creating the projection of the other people and we also translate their energy into our own imagery and their actions.

So, the aspect, I guess, where I have a question is, because we are creating the imagery of the other person and the other person is creating their imagery of say, me, would we ever know when we are creating a different interaction than what each of us is seeing?

ELIAS: Yes. As I have stated previously, for the most part the manner in which "you create your reality" is expressed is that you do in actuality interact with the energy of another individual. You project energy to other individuals and other individuals project energy to you. As you receive the energy from the other individual, you configure that energy, filtering through your beliefs, and project outwardly your perception, which is the actual physical creation of the other individual. In this, for the most part, as you generate this action you are receiving the energy from the other individual and you are configuring it quite similarly to what the other individual is projecting.

Now; as I have stated, you also filter this energy through your own beliefs and associations. Therefore it may be projected to you and you may be altering the actual configuration of energy, but in participation with another individual, this may still be configured quite similarly to the manner in which it has been projected by the other individual. For you chose to be interactive with specific individuals in specific moments, allowing yourself to be receiving energy that shall be configured similar to their projection but also as a reflection of what you are generating in that moment inwardly. Therefore, there is a cooperation that occurs.

Now; at times you may be interactive with another individual's energy but not necessarily with the projection of energy by the attention of the other individual. Therefore, what you may be interactive with is an energy deposit of another individual. This is no less an expression of the other individual's energy, but it may not be associated with the attention of the other individual. Therefore, it incorporates the qualities of the other individual and expression of the other individual, but as it may not incorporate the attention of the other individual, you may recognize subsequent to your interaction, or even at times during your perceived interaction, that your experiences appear to be quite different.

What I am expressing in this is that you may be creating an experience in conjunction with another individual, and you shall generate the physical manifestation and imagery; subsequent to the interaction you may be engaging another interaction with that individual and communicating to the other individual concerning the previous experience, and the other individual may express to you no objective recognition or knowledge of the experience at all, which may appear to you momentarily to be quite confusing.

These are time frameworks in which you allow yourself to view that you have created a projection of interaction with another individual in which the other individual has created a very different experience. In these time frameworks you may be, as I have stated, interactive with another individual's energy but not with their attention.

Your evidence of time frameworks in which you are generating an interaction which is not being configured in similarity with the other individual's projection of energy are time frameworks in which you realize in your objective attention that your experiences may be quite different or in time frameworks in which you realize that it appears to you that you are interactive or communicating with the other individual but you seem not to be communicating with the other individual. This may be evidenced in a moment in which you begin to experience that you may be communicating with another individual and you experience a sensation and a recognition of oddity as though you may be speaking an entirely different language, in which you are also recognizing that your perception of the other individual is that you are not understanding their communication either, as though they are speaking an entirely different language, in which neither of you in your perception is connecting, in a manner of speaking, in any type of communication that either of you understand.

Now; this is a different action from a communication that may occur between individuals of different orientations. At times you may recognize that you may incorporate difficulty or challenge in understanding the expression of another individual incorporating a different orientation. But this is quite a different action, and you shall recognize that you are attempting to understand the other individual's expression and you are in some manner communicating with each other.

The time frameworks which I am speaking of do not occur frequently. This in actuality is a rare occurrence, although it does occur with individuals in which you are aware that you are not merely incorporating difficulty or challenge understanding another individual, but you are recognizing that there is no communication actually occurring, that you are incorporating entirely different expressions even though you perceive yourself to be interactive with the other individual. This is an expression that occurs in the moments in which you are not engaging an energy projection incorporating the attention of the other individual. Are you understanding?

JIM: I believe so, yes.

ELIAS: Therefore, as to your question, shall you know objectively in moments when you are not actually engaging the attention of another individual, yes, you do offer yourselves evidence of this action. But as I have stated, for the most part you are similarly configuring the energy through your perception and generating the projection of the other individual in association with what is being projected to you by the other individual. In actuality my friends, the manner in which you interact through energy and project physical manifestations in this dimension is HIGHLY efficient.

JIM: Efficient, in that they are very similar? Is that what you mean by efficient?

ELIAS: Partially, but also that you have quite intricately designed a physical dimension that interacts with energy. The physical configuration of manifestations is generated by each individual in a highly efficient manner, for it moves quite precisely in association with energy, with no incorporation of accident, but quite definitely in a recognition of yourselves, to allow you to be precisely interactive in each moment with specific individuals that shall project energy to you that you wish to reflect to yourself, to offer yourself information concerning what you are generating.

JIM: So how we see other individuals is in a way a reflection of ourselves?

ELIAS: Correct.

MAVIS: We want to be communicating that message back to ourselves, then?

ELIAS: Yes. This is the manner in which you allow yourselves to objectively view yourselves.

MAVIS: That's interesting.

ELIAS: Now; this also is partially the challenge which arises in association with this shift in consciousness, for the action of turning your attention to self and holding your attention upon self simultaneous to viewing your projection of manifestations through your perception is quite unfamiliar.

MAVIS: And staying out of victim mode while you are doing it!

ELIAS: Quite. (Laughter) For your association with this action has been that you are not projecting the image of the other individual; the other individual is the other individual, and therefore their expressions are generated by them and therefore you do not incorporate choice in association with other individuals - and this is incorrect.

JIM: That kind of leads into my next question. One of the things I noticed about myself which I consider a challenge is, I have a strong tendency to want to avoid conflict in interaction with people and a tendency to not want to hurt other people's feelings. I probably do - I know I do - I hold myself back more than I should. One of the things I was wondering, does that kind of stem from my... (Inaudible)

ELIAS: Not necessarily. This is generated in your expression much more closely associated with your beliefs. For the avoidance of conflict may be expressed in association with concern of other individuals, and this is associated with the belief that you create certain aspects of other individual's realities, which is also associated with the belief, or is the same bird being viewed from a different angle, in which you associate that there are some aspects of your reality that are created by other individuals.

For example, the belief is expressed that another individual incorporates the ability to create an aspect of your reality if the other individual is expressing some action or communication to you that you perceive to be hurtful. You do not view this as an expression that you are generating; you express that you are responding or reacting in an expression of hurt which has been created by the other individual. Therefore in like manner, you incorporate the ability to be creating another individual's reality in hurtfulness to them.

JIM: That is what we believe.

ELIAS: Correct, and in this, the point is not to be attempting to eliminate this belief or change this belief or ignore this belief, but merely to recognize that you incorporate it and recognize that you also incorporate choice, and that you may align with the belief or not but that this is a choice and it matters not. The freedom is expressed in paying attention to yourself, becoming familiar with yourself, and therefore recognizing and understanding your preferences and the manner in which your energy expressions naturally flow, and the realization that you incorporate choice in association with any belief.

For the most part, expressions that generate conflict or challenge or dissatisfaction in association with beliefs are generated through the automatic response to beliefs, which limits your choice. For in automatic responses, you do not view your choices - you automatically respond. For the most part, you do not even incorporate an association with thought. It is an automatic expression. And I may express to you, for the most part automatic responses also incorporate judgment.

JIM: (Inaudible)

ELIAS: Yes.

JIM: In our last session you were stressing that we should pay attention to the part of us that is choosing. I was thinking that maybe the part of us that is choosing is the part of us that is setting up expectations for what we think is really going to occur.

ELIAS: Not necessarily. The aspect of you that is choosing is merely following your direction, which is not necessarily associated with what you expect.

JIM: So there can be a difference between what we choose and what we expect?

ELIAS: Yes. Although I may express to you, many times you do choose in association with what you expect, and this also offers you information concerning your beliefs and your direction. But the association that you choose consistently or as a rule in conjunction with what you expect is incorrect.

In this I may express to you, many, many times individuals think they are directing their attention in a particular manner and direction, and expect that they shall generate a specific type of experience; and they may actually choose a quite different experience, and this becomes confusing. This is the point to be paying attention to what you are CHOOSING, what you are DOING.

JIM: So those two can be different.

ELIAS: Quite.

JIM: One of my other questions, and I'll have one more here before I let Mavis and Nicole ask theirs, is with regard to probabilities. When we made our move from Edmonton down to Calgary, it was a fairly significant move. We were thinking, is there a probable version of us that stayed behind in Edmonton?

ELIAS: Within the expression of a probable reality, yes.

JIM: I started looking at the Elias website before we moved, and I was wondering, do you interact with other probable versions of us or are you just interacting with ourselves here? Do you know what I mean?

ELIAS: I am understanding. (Pause) In a manner of speaking, yes. For in relation to probabilities, as I have stated many times, as you generate certain choices within this reality, you also create other probable realities, and ALL probabilities are actualized. Therefore, as it may be a probability that an attention of this essence may be interactive with individuals within other probable realities, that is actualized also.

JIM: Which means you have interaction with other probable selves of ours?

ELIAS: Yes.

JIM: That's interesting! (Laughs)

ELIAS: It is a continuous action, my friend, of expansion and also folding in of consciousness. Therefore, consciousness and essences as consciousness are continuously generating an action of expansion, and generating more expressions of attentions to be exploring continuously itself.

JIM: Nicole or Mavis, either one of you can go.

MAVIS: You go ahead, Nicole.

NICOLE: First of all, it's good to meet you, Elias.

ELIAS: And you also.

NICOLE: My question is, when I was little I used to cry when people sang "Happy Birthday" to each other, and I was just wondering why that is.

ELIAS: And express to myself what your impression is concerning your response.

NICOLE: Well, we were thinking that maybe something happened to me while I was having a birthday in another life or something. Is that it?

ELIAS: Partially.

Now; allow yourself an understanding that you allow certain expressions of bleed-through from other focuses of your essence in association with what you generate in this focus, in some manner.

Now; the designation of celebrating an emergence, or what you term to be a birthday in your tradition, is an expression of celebration of what you term to be life, but in actuality it is merely an emergence from one expression of consciousness to another. Therefore the emergence of birth, in a manner of speaking, is the same as the emergence of death.

Within another focus of attention of yourself, on the day of celebration of birth there has also been incorporated a death in that focus. In this focus you allow that to bleed through in your recognition that the actions are the same, but you also incorporate a similar association with death in this focus as you incorporated in that focus, one of tremendous separation, and therefore you incorporate an expression of sadness in association with that separation. The reason that you offer this experience to yourself is to examine that these actions are actually the same.

MAVIS: So was she more aware of that as a young child than she is now?

ELIAS: Not entirely objectively, although partially. But it has been incorporated in strength of memory to allow the examination of this subject matter in subsequent years, so to speak. You do not incorporate any experience accidentally. (Chuckles)

MAVIS: That's interesting. Did you have any other questions, Nick?

NICOLE: Yes. I had this strange dream over the summer. The dream was I was in a purple sort of dome - it seemed like I was in a different sort of world - and there were photographs in black and white along the horizon, all of children, and there were a couple... (Inaudible) I was wondering what that was all about.

ELIAS: This also is an allowance of yourself that you generate in dream imagery to be introducing yourself to other focuses of your essence, therefore allowing you to become more familiar with yourself as essence rather than merely the recognition of one attention.

If you are so choosing, you may allow yourself to be incorporating this type of imagery again and investigating these different focuses of yourself, and [investigating] a recognition of the different expressions of energy that you incorporate and also the similarities of energy that are expressed throughout all of your focuses. You image them to yourself in the faces of children for this is less threatening and a more accepted expression of introduction to yourself.

NICOLE: I had one more, about this strange sort of out-of-body experience that I had. It wasn't quite... but I don't know. What happened was I sort of left my body but not really, not in the traditional sort of way where you are floating up above it or anything like that. I had this strange feeling around my body sort of like this... (Inaudible) I don't quite understand it, and I was hoping you can help me with that.

ELIAS: I may express to you my friend that you all incorporate these projections of yourselves quite frequently. You merely do not necessarily allow yourselves to incorporate an objective awareness or remembrance of your projections.

I may also express to you that much more often than not individuals project their awareness within consciousness and do not generate an experience of what you term to be traditional out-of-body experience. In actuality, seldom do individuals incorporate this type of projection of merely lifting out of their body, so to speak, and viewing their physical body as separated from themselves. For quite genuinely, in the experiences of most individuals within your physical dimension, this type of projection may be associated as quite boring, for you are merely viewing your physical body consciousness.

For the most part, as individuals project their consciousness, they wish to be exploring. You may view your physical body consciousness within a looking glass; it is unnecessary to lift yourself away from your physical body merely to view it. Ha ha! This action that you incorporated was merely one experience of projection, in which you allowed yourself an objective awareness that you actually incorporate the ability to be projecting within consciousness.

Now; I may also express to you that you have generated a type of physical experience that you express as slight discomfort in association with your beliefs. Some individuals express some aspects of fear in association with projection; some individuals may temporarily automatically express some discomfort, for there is an association of beliefs that this action is not quite natural - although in actuality it is quite natural. But your attention is quite strongly associated with your physical manifestation, and therefore there is some doubt whether the action of projecting your awareness away from your physical body consciousness is acceptable or is healthy.

But I may express to you, you have offered yourself evidence and recognition of your ability that you can be creating this action of projection, and I may express to you, it is quite natural. If you are so choosing futurely to be allowing yourself an objective awareness of your projections, you may allow yourself the knowing that this is a quite natural action and you need not incorporate any expression of discomfort, for you are merely engaging an action that you generate quite often, regardless. You are merely allowing yourself an objective awareness of it.

NICOLE: (Inaudible)

ELIAS: Uncomfortable.

NICOLE: (Inaudible)

ELIAS: I may express to you, in allowing yourself to examine your beliefs and your associations with this action, you may also allow yourself to be trusting of yourself and therefore alter the experience, and you may also offer yourself much more freedom; or you may choose not to be incorporating an objective awareness of these projections, and it matters not. It is merely a choice.

NICOLE: Thank you very much, Elias. I have one more, and it is about this girl I have in my dreams... (Inaudible) ... golden library... (Inaudible) This happens every so often. Is she perhaps another focus of mine?

ELIAS: Yes, a future focus.

JIM: Cool.

NICOLE: Does she know me somehow?

ELIAS: There is an awareness of you incorporated by this individual. Therefore the exchange, in a manner of speaking, is mutual. For as a future focus, that individual is as aware of you as you are aware of her.

MAVIS: Because it is simultaneously happening.

ELIAS: Correct, and it is you.

NICOLE: Wow, that's interesting.

MAVIS: So she is actually tapping into a simultaneous future focus of hers...

ELIAS: Yes.

MAVIS: ...who is in turn tapping into her or communicating?

ELIAS: Interacting.

MAVIS: That's interesting!

NICOLE: Quite. Do you have any questions, Mom?

MAVIS: Well, it kind of gets off topic here, but I had an experience about 19 years ago, where I had a very strong sense of a presence in my house and I was home alone with my six-month-old at that point of time. I kind of forgot about the experience. I ran around the house looking for what I felt was a strong energy or person in my presence. A couple of months, or not even a couple of months, later - I'm not quite sure of the time frame - but I found out shortly thereafter that my godfather had passed away. I had a sense that he had come to say goodbye to me. He had a very strong connection to me, I felt, and I didn't feel that strong a connection to him. I am wondering if my assessment of that situation is correct.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

MAVIS: He did come to me to say goodbye because he was leaving physical focus?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes.

MAVIS: That was good to get validation of that! (Elias laughs with Mavis) Did we have another focus together where he felt guilty, like was there a crossover from that focus to this focus where he felt guilty about something that had transpired between the two of us in the other focus? Because he had asked to be my godfather before I was born, and he had a sense of protectiveness toward me that I never quite understood.

ELIAS: Not an expression of guilt, no.

MAVIS: No?

ELIAS: I may express to you that the individual manifested a similar type of expression of experience with you, in his perception, as was generated in another focus in a different capacity of relationship, and therefore a similar expression was generated in this focus. The capacity of relationship within the other focus was of parent and child, and in this, a similar expression was generated in this focus, but not as parent and child.

MAVIS: So it was a bleed-through from another focus, then?

ELIAS: Partially.

MAVIS: So there was a connection in another focus between the two of us?

ELIAS: Yes.

MAVIS: I thought there must be, because he had such a strong connection to me. But why did I not feel that strong or that compelling connection to him?

ELIAS: This occurs many times, my friend, in which one individual may incorporate some recognition of familiarity and association with another individual but it may not necessarily be reciprocated. It is dependant upon the individuals and which direction they are projecting their attention in association with their choice of direction in a particular focus.

At times you may be encountering, so to speak, another individual within your reality in which you both incorporate what you assess to be a strong recognition and knowing of each other; but this recognition of one or the other occurs much more frequently.

MAVIS: So it is quite common then?

ELIAS: Yes.

MAVIS: That explains that.

I had an interesting dream the other day where I... How do I start? I had a sense that I was married to this man who was a king, or we had a relationship. I was in the boat that we shared, and it was like a castle. He was very short and I was very tall. The castle turned into like a museum where tours were held. We went into a room where there were articles of clothing that were the queen's. I had a sense it was me but it wasn't me. The only real connection I got that was a connection to myself was when I saw these Barbie doll clothes that had been made for me or I had made for myself in this focus, which brought me to the conclusion that there was a connection between the two of us. Now, am I way off base on this, or...?

ELIAS: In association with yourself and your partner?

MAVIS: With this character in this dream that I had, the queen or the person or whatever.

ELIAS: Yes, quite.

MAVIS: Was I viewing another focus?

ELIAS: No, merely offering yourself imagery concerning yourself, generating a type of imagery that is playful and also offers you an acknowledgment of worth. This is what you are recognizing, that you incorporated an association that this character may be you but may not be you, for it is, in a manner of speaking, your imagery to yourself concerning yourself in a playful manner, in not incorporating a tremendous seriousness but also in an expression of appreciation and worth concerning self.

MAVIS: Well, that has always been a challenge for me. So I suppose the barrier is starting to break down?

ELIAS: Yes.

Now; I may also express to you that there is the incorporation of imagery in playfulness in association with the king in representation of your partner.

MAVIS: In that he was shorter than me? (Elias and Mavis laugh) Which I found odd.

ELIAS: [Which] within imagery, in symbology, is the expression of elevating yourself.

MAVIS: Where I've always elevated him...

ELIAS: Yes.

MAVIS: ...and now I'm elevating myself finally?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking.

MAVIS: So I am getting better at focusing on self, then?

ELIAS: (Chuckles) Continue practicing.

MAVIS: I will, I will, I'm getting better! (Laughing) And I know that's a judgment. (Elias chuckles) Interesting, I didn't think of it like that. So we are progressing then?

ELIAS: In your terms, yes. For it is not a matter of progressing, my friend. Ha ha!

MAVIS: It is a matter of expanding.

ELIAS: Expanding and familiarizing.

MAVIS: Did anyone else have any more questions?

NICOLE: I understand there are windows in dream dimensions, and I need you to explain that to me because I don't quite understand it, or how it affects us and what it can do for me.

JIM: That windows in our dreams are like portals?

NICOLE: Yes.

ELIAS: Ah. I may express to you, in a manner of speaking, yes, for if you are allowing yourself to pay attention to your dream imagery, you may recognize that you generate a familiar symbol, so to speak, within your dream imagery. Each individual generates their own individual expression of dream imagery which may be identified as a dream trigger. It may be another individual, it may be an object, it may be an element, it may be a creature - it matters not.

How you shall recognize your individual dream trigger is to be paying attention to your dream imagery and noticing what design of imagery consistently is expressed or appears within your dream scenarios. Once recognizing your dream trigger, what you may incorporate is an action of moving towards this dream imagery and allowing yourself to move into it, so to speak, or merge with it. This shall create an automatic action of a portal within consciousness in which you may allow yourself to explore other areas of consciousness within your dream state.

As an example, an individual may incorporate a consistency of generating the imagery of a flower vase within their dream imagery. This flower vase may appear in all types of dream imagery, even within dream imagery in which it appears to be inappropriate, but it is consistently generated.

Now; as the individual recognizes that this vase is consistently imaged within their dream state, they may recognize that this is the incorporation of their dream trigger. In that, they may move towards this vase within the dream state and allow themselves to merge with that object of the vase, which shall automatically create this portal which generates what you term to be a type of window into other areas of consciousness which you may allow yourselves to explore, if you are so choosing.

NICOLE: Is water my dream trigger?

ELIAS: Ah! I shall challenge you to investigate and pay attention to your dream imagery, and discover what your dream trigger is!

JIM: I guess that means it's not water. (All laugh)

MAVIS: You will have to try merging with it.

ELIAS: Merely as always, my friends, to be noticing and to continue paying attention to yourselves and your choices. For allow yourselves to be aware, within this time framework presently the expression of energy is tremendous in association with this shift in consciousness, and in this, the point of the movement of it is to be turning individuals' attentions to self. I may express to you quite genuinely, there are surges in consciousness which are occurring presently to be challenging each individual to be incorporating their attention upon self.

In allowing yourselves to avoid unnecessarily conflict, I offer the suggestion that you allow yourselves to be playful, that you allow yourselves to flow with energy, to relax, and to attempt not to be incorporating much seriousness in this time framework. For this may easily be expressed, to be incorporating seriousness in this time framework, and you shall allow yourselves much less conflict if you are intentionally engaging playfulness.

MAVIS: I think we're getting better at that. (Laughs)

JIM: We still have about 15 minutes left.

MAVIS: Oh, we have a bit of time.

JIM: Do you have any questions, Nick?

NICOLE: (Inaudible)

ELIAS: Let me express to you, my friend, I am incorporating an awareness that there may be an expression of difficulty in relation to transcription of this conversation, for there is being expressed faintness in audible communication.

JIM: You're not loud enough, Nick.

NICOLE: Is this better?

ELIAS: Very well.

NICOLE: I have this friend, and I would like to get his essence name and family, please.

ELIAS: Very well. Essence name, Bennett, B-E-N-N-E-T-T; essence family, Sumari; alignment, Milumet; orientation, common.

NICOLE: Thank you. I was wondering how my alignment affects me personally, how it affects my life.

ELIAS: I may express to you, you may be offering yourself information through the information that I have already expressed and offered, which is already recorded within the transcriptions. I may also express to you, the family that you are belonging to is expressed in qualities in a type of underlying expression. It is consistently expressed throughout all of your focuses, but it is not quite as overt as the family qualities that you align with. The family that you align with shall be expressed in qualities much more obviously within your objective expressions.

Now; it is your choice in how you express those qualities, and they shall be expressed in association with your individual direction and exploration. Therefore, in a manner of speaking, there are myriads of manners in which these qualities may be expressed within your physical focus, and you incorporate a unique expression as an individual to be expressing these qualities of families, but uniquely in association with yourself and your intent and your exploration within your particular focus.

JIM: Does the shift, which you mentioned before that the shift affects the families in a different way, does the shift affect family alignment more than the essence family you are belonging to?

ELIAS: It is not affecting of the expression of the qualities of the families. What is affected is your recognition and your expressions of these qualities, allowing yourselves a wider awareness and therefore a greater freedom in expressing some of the qualities that you incorporate in association with these families.

JIM: As we express our family alignment more than our essence family, is there an aspect of the shift that we tend to...

ELIAS: Let me clarify, my friend, you do not express your family alignment MORE than the family that you are belonging to. You express it differently. You express the alignment more overtly and obviously, but you do not express the actions or the qualities more. They are merely more obvious.

JIM: Well, I don't have any other questions.

MAVIS: I can't think of any other questions either, actually. We are all questioned out, Elias! (Laughs)

ELIAS: Ha ha! Very well. I shall...

MAVIS: Oh, one just came to mind. My father passed away the past summer, and I know that he probably had a very difficult transition. I am wondering if he is still going through that and how he's managing. (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes, transition is being engaged and there continues to be an incorporation of objective awareness. Therefore, there continues to be an expression of generating certain expressions of objective imagery. As to your question as to how he is doing, he is choosing! (Chuckles)

MAVIS: So he is choosing to be stuck in his objective imagery?

ELIAS: Not necessarily stuck, but choosing to generate objective imagery. This is not uncommon.

MAVIS: Knowing his personality, though, I guess in viewing from a physical standpoint, I would view that he is creating a lot of trauma for himself still, in his transition.

ELIAS: Not necessarily...

MAVIS: No?

ELIAS: ...but incorporating some confusion, not necessarily conflict.

MAVIS: One of the things he expressed before he passed away was that he was afraid to die and that he was afraid of what was waiting there for him.

ELIAS: I am understanding, and there is objective imagery that is being incorporated that is confusing, for it is not being expressed in association with the expectation which was expressed prior to the choice to disengage. But this is not generating conflict - at times surprise, for it is not generating the type of imagery that was expected.

MAVIS: You mean expected by himself.

ELIAS: Correct.

MAVIS: Okay, so he is probably in a state of shock. (Laughs)

ELIAS: Surprise.

MAVIS: So there is no way from this point of view to assist somebody to move forward, is there?

ELIAS: It is unnecessary.

MAVIS: I guess I feel a sense of responsibility in wanting to ease him through.

ELIAS: And I may express to you, in this situation it is unnecessary for he is not incorporating conflict.

MAVIS: That's good to know! That kind of puts my mind at ease, because just knowing the type of man he was, I would've imagined him having a lot of conflict and dealing with a lot of beliefs that would cause him conflict going through transition.

ELIAS: I am understanding your association, but I may express to you that this is not necessarily what becomes generated in the action of transition. At times, some individuals do generate conflicting experiences in the action of transition in association with their beliefs. But even in what you view to be the strength of some individuals' beliefs, this does not necessarily dictate that they shall automatically incorporate that conflict or trauma in association with their beliefs once they have incorporated an action of transition. This may or may not be expressed. This individual is not expressing that conflict.

MAVIS: I am wondering if my brother expressed that conflict when he transitioned - my brother, Brian? (Pause)

ELIAS: To an extent, in your terms; not tremendously, but a slight incorporation of conflict, yes.

MAVIS: Did that manifest itself at his funeral, where we all were very conscious of a weather change that occurred at the cemetery during his burial? We all felt his presence and his anger or emotion.

ELIAS: I am understanding of what your association is, although your allowance to be recognizing that energy was a motivating factor for you collectively to be affecting of your weather patterns. It was not the individual that generated the weather.

MAVIS: It was us as a group, then...

ELIAS: Correct.

MAVIS: ...and not necessarily Brian. I was curious about that. Well, that was interesting. We just all had a strong sense about him coming back and being really P-O'ed over the fact that he had committed suicide, that he had done it and maybe his expectations weren't met that he was totally free, as he had expected.

ELIAS: Quite! (Chuckles)

JIM: That's probably about it.

ELIAS: Very well, my friends. I shall be anticipating our next meeting.

MAVIS: We shall as well, and we thank you very much. It has helped us a lot.

ELIAS: I offer to you each my genuine affection and encouragement, and express to you in PLAYFULNESS (chuckles), au revoir.

ALL: Au revoir; thank you; bye.

Elias departs at 3:41 PM.

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