Wednesday, February 13, 2002 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Bobbi (Jale)
Elias arrives at 5:22 PM. (Arrival time is 21 seconds.)
ELIAS: Good afternoon!
BOBBI: Hello, Elias! (Elias chuckles) Nice to talk to you today.
ELIAS: And how shall we proceed?
BOBBI: Well, I have a few things I'd like to ask you about that have been going on in my life lately. Things really have changed since I talked to you last time this year. 2001 was a very challenging year, and I have some questions about some of the things that happened. I haven't quite been able to put them together. There's a lot of stuff going on. I talked to you before about my friend D, who's dealing with some very serious cancer. And in the Fall, all these things started to happen.
My little kitty Peanut was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. It was terminal, of course. She lasted only about two and a half months. The day after she died, my friend D found out that after a full year of treatment - three surgeries and eight months of chemotherapy and all kinds of radiation - her cancer had metastasized all throughout her body like crazy. Just three weeks after that, Vicki disengaged.
So I think that these things are somehow linked in a way that I haven't been able to grasp or that I just have glimmers of, and I was wondering if you could help me with that.
I kind of understand Vicki's choice in disengaging and my participation in that, and I kind of understand with my friend, her choices in her creation of her disease and my participation in that. The part that I don't get is my kitty, and that was really difficult for me to deal with.
ELIAS: Offer your impressions, Jale.
BOBBI: As far as the cat goes, I always felt that she held an aspect of someone. I always thought that it was Mary; she always reminded me physically of Mary. Thinking about it after she was gone and Vicki had disengaged, I see quite a bit of the personality of Lawrence in her. I was wondering if it was related to that. I also think that her disease has something to do with my counterpart action with my friend D.
I just have a lot of confusion putting this all together. I know that the cat is my creation, and I certainly did not want her to be leaving. Like I say, I'm really having a hard time... I have these little glimmers of impressions of things that might be influencing, but I haven't been able to coalesce it into what was going on.
ELIAS: Very well. I shall acknowledge to you your impression concerning this aspect of the twins in association with this creature. In this, there is what you may term to be a correlation in the choice of Lawrence to be disengaging and also the removal of that aspect of the twins from the creature. I may also express to you that you have created this imagery in relation to this other individual that you recognize as your friend in similar expression of generating a particular disease.
Now; in this expression of generating a participation of creating the disease in the creature's expression, you present imagery to yourself concerning your association with your friend. Therefore in agreement, the creature generates the dis-ease rather than you generating dis-ease in association with counterpart action.
Now; let me express to you, the creature chose; but as you are aware in concept, not necessarily in what you term to be reality, you recognize intellectually that what you perceive of the creature is your creation. It is a projection of your perception, therefore the physical manifestation of the creature is created by you.
Now; in this, you allowed yourself to express associations in relation to change and choice and experience this movement with the creature and therefore allow yourself more of an acceptance and objective understanding in relation to choice in association with individuals. In a manner of speaking, you chose to be engaging this action concerning choice and movements, change and agreements, with the cat initially to offer yourself an avenue to express the acceptance of these elements within individuals. And you are not merely expressing these elements concerning your friend or Lawrence, but also Michael.
BOBBI: So it did have to do with all of those things, then?
ELIAS: Yes.
BOBBI: With an aspect of Lawrence being removed and she decided to disengage, as well as the whole counterpart thing.
ELIAS: And choice and change.
BOBBI: And change - well, there has been a lot of that. I guess her disengaging like that, the illness, it seemed like such an extreme example with everything else going on, my friend's cancer and Vicki's passing. It was just one more rather large lesson; in fact, that's the one I have the most difficulty dealing with. I understand Lawrence's movement...
ELIAS: But view all of these choices and allow yourself the recognition that all of these choices and changes, so to speak, are being presented in what you may term to be extreme.
BOBBI: Yes, they sure are, absolutely, and that's why I knew they were connected in some way. I felt I was missing the point or the message to an extent.
ELIAS: Merely to allow yourself the opportunity to move into an allowance and an acceptance, for these are what you may term to be extremes in changes and in choices; and in the acceleration of movement in relation to this shift, figuratively speaking you allowed yourself a preparation for the expression of allowance and acceptance in participation with the creature.
BOBBI: Thank you for that.
ELIAS: You are quite welcome.
BOBBI: It does lend some clarity.
ELIAS: This has been a genuine offering of helpfulness in energy in agreement with you.
BOBBI: I sensed that, as painful as it was. I was also, in the midst of all this, thinking about the emotion of grief. Would you like to add your comments as to what that is? I've thought of some stuff, but I guess my bottom line question is about that in this physical focus death is an absolute, or it certainly seems to be. There is a definite line. I will not talk to that focus of Lawrence again. I will not see my kitty again, and if things continue to progress with my friend as they have been, I will not be seeing her again after not too long. That's the element that I'm wondering about, the missing, the missing of that physical focus which does seem like an absolute.
ELIAS: I am aware that it appears to be an absolute, although it is not. What your association is, which is quite strong within this physical dimension, is what is being expressed in the emotional communication of grief. This communication is identifying to you the strength of separation. Individuals experience this emotion of grief as a communication to themselves identifying their expression of separation in extreme and the intensity of the alignment with this expression in association with your beliefs. In actuality, it is not an absolute, but this expression of separation is quite strongly generated in this physical dimension and has been throughout your history quite purposefully.
Now; in this time framework, as you are participating in this shift in consciousness, and you are thinning these veils as you objectively insert this shift into your reality, more and more you shall allow yourselves to view the lack of absoluteness in association with some expressions that generate tremendous separation. I have been expressing to you all from the onset of this forum that one of the veils of separation that you are dropping in association with this shift in consciousness is concerning what you term to be death and the movement from one expression of consciousness to another.
I am recognizing in your questioning and in your associations that objectively you have not yet recognized that lack of separation.
BOBBI: (Laughs) You're correct!
ELIAS: But you are also addressing to the influences of it. Therefore, you are generating movement in the direction of dropping these veils, for you are allowing yourself to notice and pay attention in questioning and exploring the identification of grief.
BOBBI: I recognized that was the main message in the emotion of grief, was the belief in the absoluteness of the separation.
ELIAS: Correct, which is a denial of your choices, once again.
BOBBI: Which lends to the extremeness of that emotion.
ELIAS: Correct. And this is an...
BOBBI: So how do I move beyond that or thin those veils further or lift them or...?
ELIAS: Let me express to you, my friend, the most strongly expressed communications that you offer to yourselves in emotional expressions concern the denial of your choices. This is expressed in sadness, in grief, in anger. These are very strongly expressed emotions, and they incorporate very strongly expressed signals, what you term to be deeply felt. The reason that you generate these types of signals in association with this particular message, as I have stated recently, is that the one expression that in your terms could figuratively move an essence to weep is an expression of denying choice, for it is an unnatural expression. Therefore, you generate quite strong signals and messages in the moments that you are expressing that action.
Now; in association with these communications, allowing yourself to recognize that this is what you are generating, you may offer yourself an expression of choice. I am understanding that offering yourself permission to be generating choice may be quite challenging in these types of expressions, for this also requires trust: trust of yourself, not discounting yourself, not doubting yourself, and trust of your ability which may be naturally expressed without force. Recognizing that you do incorporate choice, regardless of the influence of your beliefs, you may allow yourself to move in merely one step of attempting to open your awareness and therefore recreate or create again your interaction. And you may, but this one action is quite challenging.
This is not to say that you may not accomplish, but I am recognizing in association with the strength of the influence of beliefs and your automatic responses to them, allowing yourself to relax and recognize that you do incorporate choice may be, in your terms, quite difficult.
BOBBI: Well, it has been. Because in looking for the choice in those moments of that emotion, I've missed out on what the choices might be.
ELIAS: Let me express to you, my friend, it is not always important to objectively identify in a particular moment an identification of a particular choice. It is not always necessary to know objectively what your choice of method may be. What is significant is that you allow yourself a genuine recognition that you incorporate choice regardless of whether you identify what the choice is, for it is so strongly expressed in association with the beliefs that you do not incorporate choice: "this creature has disengaged, this individual has disengaged; I cannot interact any longer." Therefore it matters not what method may be engaged, for you are already expressing to yourself the denial: "I cannot."
BOBBI: I see. I've closed off the possibility of choice, then.
ELIAS: Correct.
Now; let me also express to you that expressing to yourself that you can and merely that you do incorporate choice, does not necessarily necessitate that you generate any definitive action other than allowance. Therefore, in recognition that you do incorporate choice, you may allow yourself merely to relax and allow for the choices to be engaged, without incorporating a physical doing of action.
In this, allow yourself a reinforcement also in relation to the belief and in relation to the allowance of choice in recognizing that individuals within your physical dimension do actually express this allowance and choose not to be aligning with the influence of beliefs concerning separation in association with death, to the point at times of allowing themselves actual physical interaction with the individual that has disengaged. For be remembering, every expression within all of your reality - ALL of your reality - that you perceive is being manifest by you.
What are you actually interactive with in relation to any other expression of consciousness? An energy projection, not a physical form. YOU generate the physical form. YOU generate the manifestation through your perception. Therefore, may you interact with a projection or exchange of energy with another individual that has disengaged? Yes. And in a manner of speaking the extent of how you allow yourself to receive and configure that energy, there are individuals that actually project the physical manifestation of the individual and allow themselves to be physically interactive again, and this is quite real.
BOBBI: So when that occurs, what are they interacting with? Just simply their projection, or in conjunction with an energy deposit, or is there an actual interaction with that essence? What exactly would they be interacting with?
ELIAS: Energy, which is what you are interactive with in physical focus also.
BOBBI: With energy from the person who has disengaged?
ELIAS: Yes. Let me express to you, my friend, contrary to the expression of your beliefs, you may be interactive with what you physically view to be another individual and not actually be interacting with an energy projection from the other individual; but within your physical focus, you may be at times interacting with an energy deposit of the other individual. It is no less an expression of that individual's energy.
BOBBI: Oh. I guess I've always thought there was a distinction there, a difference.
ELIAS: The difference is the attention of the other individual. An energy deposit may or may not incorporate the individual's attention. At times, it may. Many times it may not, but it is no less an expression of the individual's energy.
In this, have you not engaged even one experience within your focus in which you perceive to be expressing an interaction with another individual and the other individual may express no objective awareness of the action occurring, period?
BOBBI: Yes.
ELIAS: You may be interacting with an energy expression, an energy deposit of the other individual which is not incorporating the other individual's attention. Therefore you are engaging the other individual's energy and you are allowing yourself to configure that energy and project that through your perception, generate an actual physical interaction with the other individual. Subsequently you may be interactive with an actual exchange of energy with the attention of the other individual, and you may express your experience and the other individual may incorporate no objective experience.
Therefore, you may generate the same action in relation to an attention that has disengaged. You may be interactive with an energy deposit which may be an interaction - it is quite real - or you may allow yourself to be exchanging energy with the attention. Your experience in what you generate through your perception may vary in intensity and in solidity. You may allow yourself to be interactive within dream imagery or within audible voices, movement of objects, or you may actually generate a physical form.
BOBBI: I guess the first step is opening myself to the possibility or the choice of doing that.
ELIAS: Correct. The first step, so to speak, is recognizing the denial of choice, acknowledging that belief and the influence of it, not denying the belief also, which merely reinforces the denying of the choice; but once acknowledging the influence of the belief and recognizing its existence, so to speak, allowing yourself to genuinely recognize that you incorporate choice regardless of the existence of the belief or not.
BOBBI: Thank you; thank you very much.
I have some questions about impressions and things also, if we could change directions a bit.
ELIAS: Very well.
BOBBI: Several years ago I had a very brief impression, which sort of freaked me out so I never went back to it. My general impression was - it was very brief - but you were coming at me in a very menacing way to choke me. You were dressed in a French-revolution kind of outfit. Did that occur?
ELIAS: In that focus?
BOBBI: Yes. (Elias nods) I never re-approached that because it sort of freaked me out and I snapped out of it really fast. It was real scary.
ELIAS: Yes.
BOBBI: Really! (Laughing) So I must have aggravated you!
ELIAS: (Chuckles) In a manner of speaking.
BOBBI: Was I female?
ELIAS: No.
BOBBI: I'll have to go back in there and have another look at that. Like I say, it was a little... You were scary!
ELIAS: Ha ha ha! I may express to you that there was much intensity in that particular focus...
BOBBI: (Laughing) Yes, that came through quite clearly!
ELIAS: ...in many experiences.
BOBBI: I had asked you also last time we spoke about being a Russian cosmonaut, and you had validated that impression. I came up with a name that I'd like to run by you, the first name being Vladimir.
ELIAS: Vladimir, you are correct.
BOBBI: The last name I'm a little fuzzy on. It's Prashinko or Prochenko or something like that. (Pause)
ELIAS: Not quite, but you may continue in your investigation.
BOBBI: I had the impression that he was probably successful getting into space but didn't survive the landing. (Pause)
ELIAS: Correct.
BOBBI: I'm ready to go back to that Marc Antony focus I was pestering you about last May. I think I've come up with my identity then. Is it Canidius Crassus, one of Antony's generals?
ELIAS: Correct.
BOBBI: And I acknowledge your help on that, thank you very much. (Elias laughs) I read that name and there was a big blue flash right across the page!
ELIAS: (Laughing) Merely offering hints!
BOBBI: I appreciate it very much; I was getting frustrated. Also on that particular focus, I had the definite impression that my friend, D, who I was just speaking about, was one of the wives of Marc Antony, named Fulvia.
ELIAS: Correct.
BOBBI: Is that time framework somehow associated with World War II, maybe as another chapter focus, something like that? (Pause)
ELIAS: A chapter focus, yes.
BOBBI: Out of the religious book?
ELIAS: Yes.
BOBBI: So that's the Roman Civil Wars.
I have a question about my son Chris, who I always assumed was of the common orientation. David/Mylo expressed his opinion that Chris might be of soft orientation. Which is he? I could see why David would think that when he pointed out how he came to that conclusion.
ELIAS: Express first of all to myself your association.
BOBBI: I just assumed that Chris was common.
ELIAS: And your basis in this assumption?
BOBBI: (Laughs) I'm trying to pinpoint that now. I guess because he does like to produce things quite a bit, the outward expression; I know that can also be part of the soft orientation, too. As you can tell, I'm still really fuzzy on this whole orientation thing. (Elias chuckles) I guess my assessment didn't go much farther than that, that oh yes, of course he's common, like we all are.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) Ah!
BOBBI: No, huh?
ELIAS: No.
BOBBI: (Cracks up) Is he soft orientation, then?
ELIAS: Yes.
BOBBI: Oh for gosh sake! Thank you. Once David said that and I thought about it, I could really see it. I've got blinders on half the time, I think.
ELIAS: Ha ha ha! Not necessarily blinders, but perhaps merely not paying attention.
BOBBI: That explains so much! Because when I'm talking to him, it's like shew, we are talking different languages. (Elias laughs)
Also I just have a couple more impressions. I think I have some kind of Thomas Jefferson connection, and my impression, just really briefly as of yesterday, was maybe as a daughter because I got the word "daughter"; I don't know if an acknowledged daughter.
ELIAS: A slave.
BOBBI: Oh, a slave! Like a house slave, though...
ELIAS: Yes.
BOBBI: ...in the house, taking care of children. That's the image of that black woman I've gotten before.
On some of these other focuses I've already identified, I've been kind of messing around with what their alignments were. Toulouse-Lautrec, I think he's aligned Sumari.
ELIAS: Yes.
BOBBI: Rudolf Hess I think was aligned with Zuli.
ELIAS: Yes.
BOBBI: And Black Elk I think was aligned with Ilda.
ELIAS: Yes. I am acknowledging of your allowance of recognition in exploration of yourself.
BOBBI: It's been interesting in getting to know what my energy expression is, how that's expressed through other alignments. It's been sort of an interesting exploration.
ELIAS: Yes!
BOBBI: I have questions now about impressions about other people. We have a little time.
ELIAS: Very well.
BOBBI: I have an impression that I know a focus of the essence who was the artist Van Gogh, now. (Pause)
ELIAS: No.
BOBBI: I have a couple of impressions about Paul/Caroll, and this is his impression also, that he had a focus of [name omitted].
ELIAS: Observing essence.
BOBBI: And this is another one that I have for Jo/Tyl, which was also her impression, that she had a focus of [name omitted].
ELIAS: Correct.
BOBBI: A while ago I was looking at a picture of a female aviator named Florence Barnes. Her nickname was Pancho. I had such a strong impression that I knew this person. She reminded me of Shynla, Cathy. Is that correct?
ELIAS: Correct.
BOBBI: Did Howard/Bosht, have a focus as the author John Neihardt, the co-author of the Black Elk books?
ELIAS: No, but is known to that individual.
BOBBI: As a Native American?
ELIAS: No.
BOBBI: The Indian Wars in the late 1800s, is that another chapter of the religious book?
ELIAS: No.
BOBBI: And this is the last impression; it actually was an impression of Vicki's. But I always teased her that I would ask about it if ever I went back to the Marc Antony era, even though she is gone and I can't relay it to her - or maybe I can relay it to her.
ELIAS: Ah!
BOBBI: We'll see. Did she hold a focus in that time that I knew? Well, actually, her impression - which she was embarrassed to say - was Cleopatra. (Pause)
ELIAS: Not that individual but what may be identified as a close handmaiden.
BOBBI: Thank you very much for those. I have a Game entry.
ELIAS: Very well.
BOBBI: I wasn't sure where to stick this in the Game, so I'll just put it out there. In the category of Food, I would put dark bittersweet chocolate with all essences in this physical dimension under Physical Focus/Essence connection.
ELIAS: Acceptable!
BOBBI: So I guess I'm done playing, although I have all these other entries.
ELIAS: Ha ha ha! To the point that you are all in agreement to alter your imposed rules!
BOBBI: I'll have to talk to Shynla about that, I guess! (Laughs with Elias)
That does it for me today, and I thank you so much for your input. Oh, if you have anything to say about my doing the transcripts, working so closely on those now? I try to pay attention to when you might have something expressly that you want me to pay attention to.
ELIAS: I am acknowledging of you my friend, and I have already been and shall continue to be expressing energy with you in conjunction with this action. You shall become more familiar with our interaction as you allow yourself to be opening to this exchange of energy.
BOBBI: Is there anything I could particularly do to facilitate that?
ELIAS: Merely allow yourself to relax and to pay attention, for I shall be interactive with you in energy expressions which you may directly translate through your impressions. Therefore, pay attention.
BOBBI: Okay, I will.
ELIAS: Very well. As always, I express encouragement to you and much acknowledgment in your allowance in this movement of change; and I express to you tremendous affection. I anticipate our next and continued meetings, my friend. Ha ha ha! To you this day, au revoir.
BOBBI: Thank you, Elias.
Elias departs at 6:22 PM.
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