Sunday, January 20, 2002 (Private)
Participants: Mary (Michael), Daryl (Ashrah) and Debi (Oona)
Elias arrives at 11:34 AM. (Arrival time is 34 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good day!

DARYL: Hello!

DEBI: Good day!

DARYL: In physical proximity once again.

ELIAS: Once again! (Debi laughs)

DARYL: Okay, so I’m gonna to start this off. One thing, I want to acknowledge myself that I am allowing more playfulness between us, ’cause I’ve been noticing you playing little tricks and stuff. One thing I’ve wondered, twice I’ve gotten a very short buzzing in my right foot, and I wondered if that was also you.

ELIAS: Pay attention, yes.

DARYL: Okay. (Debi laughs) I had the feeling I wasn’t quite allowing of that to its fullest potential. (Elias chuckles)

ELIAS: It is merely a signal: pay attention.

DARYL: A signal, okay! That’s why it’s so brief, it’s just kinda...?

ELIAS: Correct.

DARYL: Okay, well that’s exciting.

First, I want to talk to you more about my focus as George Sand. One of the things that I am sure is going on is that we’re having interactions in my dreams, although I don’t have a specific memory. But my impression is that we’re sort of exchanging experience and information, and I’m getting from her information about expression of self and that I’m giving her some information about separation. Is that correct? Is that what’s going on?

ELIAS: Yes.

DARYL: I had a fear for a while that maybe it was invasive or something, but can I assume if I’m doing something in the dream state as opposed to objectively saying, "Oh, I want to do this," that it’s never going to be invasive to the other focus, if it’s just kind of naturally occurring?

ELIAS: Yes.

DARYL: Okay, good.

ELIAS: You are not being intrusive, and you are not altering choices or attempting to alter choices. You are offering an expression and it is being received in choice.

DARYL: Okay, because I do feel it’s beneficial to both of us.

ELIAS: Correct. I may express to you, Ashrah, there is continuously an exchange of energy, in a manner of speaking, between focuses.

Now; whether you allow yourself an objective awareness of this exchange is a different scenario. But this is not to say that you do not continuously offer exchange of influence, for it is all you.

DARYL: Yeah, I guess I just managed to forget that! (All laugh) I also wanted to check with you, does that focus hold the orientation of soft?

ELIAS: No, common.

DARYL: Common, okay. Because there seemed to be a lot of inwardness going on. First I was thinking common, but then I started thinking soft.

ELIAS: "Inward" within your interpretation, but quite naturally expressing in relation to the common orientation in outward production.

DARYL: Yes, very into outward production. I was looking at some of the pictures in a book about her and I saw a picture of her son, Maurice, that, I don’t know, kind of jolted something in me. I said to myself, "Who is that looking back at me," and the answer I got was "Elias." But then I saw pictures of him as an adult and I didn’t have a reaction like that. Do you hold a focus as Maurice Sand?

ELIAS: No.

DARYL: Can you give me some reason why I would have felt that reaction?

ELIAS: For the familiarity.

DARYL: For the familiarity.

ELIAS: Yes. As you have interacted with that individual and the other focus is you, in allowing yourself to recognize the familiarity, your association became that which you recognize with myself in similarity of a recognition of familiar energies.

DARYL: They did have a fairly intense relationship compared to her other relationships.

I don’t know if I could call this an impression, but she had a lover named Manceau towards the latter part of her life, and I was wondering if that was a focus of Oona? (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes.

DARYL: Really? Whew! I like that! You’ve previously spoken with Sandel about her having a focus who also knew George, and she has been playing around with the idea that perhaps she holds a focus as Chopin.

ELIAS: No.

DARYL: No, okay. Do you have any clues (Daryl and Debi laugh) to pass on in her search?

ELIAS: Ah, you may continue the investigation. The individual is what you may term to be friend.

DARYL: Do you care to say which gender, the friend?

ELIAS: Ah! Investigate!

DARYL: Well, I’ll leave that up to her. I haven’t gotten any impressions on that.

This next thing is definitely an area that’s been rattling my duplicity cage. I’ve watched the Oprah show for a long time, and I became aware around the time I was introduced to your information that she was presenting shift information on her show, which I think is a lot of fun to watch. Then a couple of years ago I started having dreams where I would find myself being new neighbors with her or already having some kind of friendship relationship.

Then I guess, just a few months ago, I had a very long and detailed dream with her that involved the psychological approach traditionally dealing with a subject like abuse, and contrasting and comparing that with the information within the shift about acceptance and belief systems and that there are no victims, and that was a very strong dream. Then I started having dreams where I was merging with her as far as I could tell, and I was getting my breathing stuff and being really scared.

I’ve continued to have some dreams involving her, and sometimes it seems like I’m merged with her and other times it seems maybe I’m around her. So I would like to ask, is she a focus of mine?

ELIAS: No.

DARYL: Am I an observing essence, or somewhere around her?

ELIAS: No. You are merely allowing an energy exchange.

DARYL: Well, that’s something. So that might be just something that continues as part of ... ’cause I feel it’s shift related.

ELIAS: If you are so choosing. This is what you have chosen, to be engaging in an energy exchange with this individual. I may express to you, you may create this type of exchange with any individual. You have chosen to focus your attention in projection with this particular individual.

DARYL: So when I’m feeling merged, I’m projecting into her or ... ’cause it seems like that gives me insight onto her, like what’s going on with her.

ELIAS: You are projecting an aspect of your consciousness in relation to this individual. Therefore, in a manner of speaking what you are engaging is an actual projection of an aspect of yourself to incorporate physical proximity to this individual. Once allowing yourself that action, you engage your empathic sense which creates what you identify as a mergence, which is a natural action. Individuals, generally speaking, allow this type of action continuously.

Now; I may express to you, at times there are some individuals within your physical dimension that may be incorporating tremendous fear issues and in that expression may choose not to be compliant with another individual in relation to the empathic interaction. But I may also express to you this is quite rare, for engaging your empathic sense and merging with another individual is not intrusive. It is merely a manner in which you allow yourselves an expression of a lack of separation, which is natural within consciousness and essence, and offers you information that you may translate objectively, which may be beneficial in your movement. What the other individual allows in objective recognition of the exchange is their choice.

DARYL: But it’s basically something that I initiated, that I chose to do?

ELIAS: Yes.

DARYL: The next thing I wanted to ask you about is I’ve realized the past couple years that I enjoy being around Vold individuals a lot, either belonging or aligning. I had a thing with you a few months ago in the dream state where I was getting information about choice, and then Oona joined us and we were talking about change and Vold. The other day, like a couple weeks ago, I woke up from sleep and had this information in my mind that part of my intent was to explore change, and I’ve wondered if I am changing my alignment to Vold.

ELIAS: No. You are merely allowing yourself in this time framework to explore the qualities of another essence family to offer yourself more of an objective understanding of the different expressions that are generated by different essence families. In this time framework you choose to be paying attention to this particular one.

DARYL: So I might be doing other families in the future?

ELIAS: Correct.

DARYL: Okay, because I also noticed I used to feel more of an affinity with Tumold and the way I approached life was reflective of that alignment, and I don’t feel that the way I used to.

ELIAS: For you are moving into the expression which is genuinely generated in the qualities of this family. As I have stated previously, many, many individuals within your physical dimension that are aligned with this particular essence family also incorporate a different expression than those that are belonging to this essence family, for they generate many more beliefs in association with their concept of what the qualities of this particular family are, and there are very strong associations with terminology such as "healing." Therefore in the expression of those individuals that are aligned with this essence family, there is a very strong association with those beliefs and the terminology.

But as I have stated, you are redefining terms and offering yourselves a clearer understanding of the actual definitions of your terms, and in this you allow yourself to move and turn your perception, and in altering your perception you also alter your reality. Therefore, in movement into a redefining of these terms associated with the Tumold family, you are allowing more of a natural expression of merely returning to natural state.

DARYL: That’s neat.

ELIAS: Which in actuality is not the definition of healing in your terms physically, but IS the definition of healing in terms of essence and consciousness - not to be fixing, not to be offering an expression to change necessarily, but merely an allowance to recognize the natural expression of energy, which is the meaning, so to speak, of returning to natural state.

DARYL: Another kind of dream state thing, about a week ago I woke up in the middle of the night and it seemed like I had information that a particular friend of mine had chosen to disengage, and it seemed like it was actual information rather than imagery. But that person hasn’t chosen to disengage, at least so far. And I wondered, was that imagery and I’m thinking it’s information? Or was it involving another focus, or what was going on there?

ELIAS: It is imagery; although I may express to you, ALL that you project is imagery. Imagery is quite real, regardless of whether you view it to physically manifest or not. It does not discount the reality of any imagery.

Now; what you have presented to yourself is imagery concerning disengagement, tapping into the energy of another individual and the individual’s consideration of that choice - not that the choice has been actually engaged, but that there has been a consideration concerning that choice. In this, you offer yourself information concerning choice and that even disengagement is a choice.

DARYL: A couple nights ago I had a dream about Oona, and the best I can describe it is it seemed to be me kind of ... I don’t know if it was merging or what, but understanding more about her movement and emotions and drama, and kind of how she moves and then how I move, and then how sometimes we kind of converge or parallel each other quite closely. Is that a fairly accurate representation of what I was presenting to myself?

ELIAS: Yes, offering yourself information to be recognizing and understanding YOUR movement more clearly. Many times individuals present to themselves the movement or the action or the choices of other individuals to offer themselves an example and a reflection of themselves in physical action. For you are quite focused within this physical dimension [and] you look to expressions outside of yourself as I have stated previously, to validate yourself and your movement. You gravitate to similarities, for this does validate. And in this, you also allow yourself to be noticing more of your own expressions and your own movements.

DARYL: Because it seems to me that we do a lot of that in our relationship, that there’s a lot of reflection, but it’s also supportive and validating.

ELIAS: Correct.

DARYL: Are we counterparts or are we just kind of lending each other support and energy?

ELIAS: In this present time framework, no, you are not engaging counterpart action; but this is unnecessary, for you are objectively engaging each other. Therefore, you ARE offering yourselves shared experiences.

DARYL: So it’s kind of the same effect, but doing it differently?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes.

DARYL: We’ve discussed my toilet and my natural flow in physical reality, and I’ve realized that I have many toilets in my dreams. I originally thought about this as being exposed, but since there are so many of them and now they’re kind of taking on different personalities, I’ve wondered, is that my dream trigger?

ELIAS: Yes. (Grinning, and Debi and Daryl laugh) Quite creative!

DARYL: Yes! (Debi laughs and Elias chuckles)

ELIAS: And perhaps you shall not incorporate this dream trigger to be flushing yourself!

DARYL: Now, is there any correlation between that as my dream trigger and my imagery in physical reality, or is that kind of like coincidental?

ELIAS: Ah, coincidence! They are quite correlated. What is your impression?

DARYL: I don’t know.

ELIAS: How obvious the imagery - the dream trigger as the portal, the physical expression and imagery as another portal.

DARYL: It would be that, wouldn’t it? (Elias laughs) I figured you’d get a good laugh out of that, so...

ELIAS: Quite! Ha ha ha ha! (Debi also laughs)

DARYL: Another thing I’ve become aware of is that I am becoming objectively aware of interaction with the other essences of the twelve that facilitate this exchange. I’ve done that through receiving colors and sometimes feeling like I’m interacting with a specific one, although I can’t say exactly how I get that; sometimes it’s through color.

I’ve also noticed a couple times where I feel like there’s a very light touch on my skin, and when I look there’s nothing there. I’ve also experienced a very light cool breeze on my face, which is something that I experienced for a period of several years in a stronger form in the past. Are those, the skin sensations and the breeze, are those associated with those essences?

ELIAS: Yes.

DARYL: So each of those would be a particular essence that I can try to figure out which one it is?

ELIAS: Yes.

DARYL: Now, are those likely to occur at particular times, such as you do, to help me make connections or notice something?

ELIAS: They may be futurely, if you are allowing that expression.

DARYL: The one I had about 20 years ago that lasted for several years was the breeze, and my name for it was Feather, which has made me wonder if that was Rose.

ELIAS: No.

DARYL: No, okay. (To Debi) So, you’re up.

DEBI: (Laughs) Hi, Elias!

ELIAS: Ah, I am growing weary! (Closes his eyes and leans back on the couch; Daryl and Debi laugh)

DEBI: Oh my god, I’ve done it to you!

ELIAS: My energy is depleting...

DARYL: Here’s the joke played out. (Laughter)

DEBI: Can we get you a drink of water or something?

ELIAS: ...perhaps I may fade away! (Very dramatically)

DEBI: Are you being dramatic?

ELIAS: Moi?

DEBI: (Laughing) That’s my job, remember?

ELIAS: Oh, the energy of it all! I feel the swirling...

DEBI: Oh my god!

ELIAS: ...perhaps we may be disengaging before I am so very taxed. (Rests his head on his chest, and then slyly looks at Debi and grins)

DEBI: Oh my god, it’s so me! (Elias laughs loudly) You’re me! What’s going on with that? Okay, so I don’t even have to tell you where I am, right? You know!

ELIAS: (Strongly but humorously) Are you recognizing that essences do not become fatigued?

DEBI: Well then, what is it? (Elias chuckles with Debi) You know exactly where I’ve been, ’cause I know you’re always right there, and I have this feeling that you just chuckle in your own way watching me do that to myself.

Okay, here’s where I’m at. There’s like these three different experiences that I just want to run through real quick. The one when Vic disengaged, followed a couple weeks later by Dale’s breathing difficulties and hospitalization, and then the thing I did all by myself I think, last week. I’m thinking what was going on was empathic stuff with Vic and Dale, or was it all me? Well, it’s all me, but you know what I mean? Was I going through - you know, when I do what you just did. (Laughs) "I can’t go on, but there’s no way out!" Was that empathic stuff or was that just my stuff?

ELIAS: Both.

DEBI: Okay, in each instance it was both? Was I drawing myself to that because I was also in that same place, in a way?

ELIAS: Not necessarily, but I may be acknowledging that you are quite efficient at overwhelming yourself.

DEBI: Good lord, huh? (Laughs) What is that, trauma/drama? (Moans) Okay then, last week - and I know that we’ve talked about that before - last week I didn’t know if I was going to get a grip or not. And Elias, the only reason I got a grip was because I just said, "I give up. I don’t care if I go crazy, whatever, so be it! If I’m going, I’m going," and that was like answering the phone kind of, because the insanity stopped right after. It was so excruciatingly in my face because it was so overwhelming, and then it was gone, like that.

ELIAS: And as you continue to force energy and struggle with what you create, you perpetuate it and you reinforce it and you generate it stronger.

DEBI: And I did. I kind of lost sight that that’s ... I really didn’t know if I was going to grab ahold of the rails or not. It felt like it was picking up momentum, really. The only reason I was able to do that was because I was out of ideas and then got that "stop thinking" thing. "Oh, okay!" Hooo! You know, I couldn’t even see that I was doing that.

Well then, going back to the empathic thing, how do I ... first of all, I don’t want to do that if it’s gonna be like that, you know what I mean? I don’t want to go to that, because it was so intense and so excruciating. I was thinking that I could separate and go, "Okay, I was just feeling what they were feeling, so that’s them," but now you tell me it was a little bit of both. I mean, I was having dreams where I was saying goodbye to my kids and stuff like that. And I thought, well, shit, disengaging can’t be this scary if it’s really you. You know, like if I were really making that choice, would I be freaking myself out over it? And...

ELIAS: (Gently) And are you paying attention to what you are presenting to yourself?

DEBI: Choice? No, I guess I’m not.

ELIAS: Correct, you are not. You overwhelm yourself with experiences and you offer yourself this confusion. You also offer yourself the evidence that as you let go, in your terms, and relax, you dissipate all of this energy.

But what are you presenting to yourself, Oona? What are you communicating to yourself? You do not randomly choose to engage your empathic sense in relation to any other expression of consciousness, be it an individual or a creature or any element within your universe. There is no random selection. Each action that you incorporate, you choose purposefully.

DEBI: So then, what that says to me is that I have been contemplating disengagement?

ELIAS: No, and this is quite typical of absolute association, black and white. "I am engaging interaction and allowing myself an empathic mergence with another individual and their experience is this; therefore I am presenting to myself this specific information concerning this specific action, which is to say, ’Ah, now I shall disengage.’" No. This is quite absolute. Be remembering, what is objective imagery?

DEBI: It’s a communication.

ELIAS: No, it is ABSTRACT.

DEBI: Oh, okay, that can change and ... I lost that.

ELIAS: Abstract objective imagery is not a communication. It is a projection; it is manifestation projected through your perception; it is an outcome.

Now; it may offer you information, but this is not a communication. It is merely an expression or, in a manner of speaking, a physical presentment, an objective presentment as example of what you are generating inwardly. And as I have stated ... are you paying attention?

DEBI: (Laughs) Not very much! See this is where it goes...

ELIAS: As we spoke yesterday, objective imagery is abstract. You may choose countless expressions in objective imagery to be illustrating, for this is what it is, an illustration of what you are generating within you, and what is influencing, and what you are examining, and what you are choosing, and what you are presenting to yourself.

DEBI: Well, you know what, if I kind of pull the camera back and look at the picture from a distance, what I get is I’m changing, I’m widening, things are moving, they’re different. I see myself striving and scrambling over here to get this wide, and then when I start to go like that, I go, "NO! That’s scary!" I go back and forth but that is happening, things are different. I’m not the same person I used to be, in a manner of speaking.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

DEBI: Maybe these things are imagery to me of that. You know, "Do you want to know if you’re moving, Oona? Well, here it is." Maybe it’s that simple.

ELIAS: In part you are correct; but you also present to yourself experiences and imagery that is purposeful and specific.

Now; you incorporate these examples in which you have allowed yourself some expression of empathic activity. And as this is purposeful but not absolute and not black and white, express to me, what do you view as purposeful or what you are presenting to yourself for examination in these experiences? View the experience.

View the experience in relation to Lawrence, and what did you generate in YOUR experience?

DEBI: Well, I felt less separation, for one thing.

ELIAS: And what else have you presented to yourself - dream imagery in confusion and apprehension.

DEBI: There’s been a huge amount of fear.

ELIAS: Correct.

DEBI: All of sudden, I hadn’t even been thinking about it, and all of a sudden disengagement became an extremely scary thing.

ELIAS: Quite. There are strongly expressed beliefs in relation to disengaging - more of an expression of separation, permanency, absolute.

DEBI: It really hit me like that. When Lawrence disengaged I felt like a chunk of me left - a chunk of ME, you know? And it was gone. When Daryl told me, it was like "Kkkkkkh!" (choking sound). It was like somebody just ripped part of me off and it’s never coming back. That struck me because I don’t recall ever reacting to someone’s disengagement quite that way before. So it was significant to me then, but I didn’t get it. It took me a little while to get why the effect was like that.

ELIAS: And there is much confusion and suspicion...

DEBI: Yeah, why did she go?

ELIAS: ...surrounding this action of disengagement - caution.

Let me offer to you first of all, the action of disengagement IS a choice. The choice to be actually creating that movement is generated in the moment.

Now; each individual that engages that choice in the moment is aware of their choice to be generating that movement.

Now; objectively, subsequent to that choice, there may or may not be an incorporation of a time framework in which the objective awareness is not incorporating memory, dependent upon the individual and their beliefs and their choice of movement. But in the moment of the choice of disengagement, there is no fear and there is a genuine recognition that it is merely a choice. There is no obligation, there is no draw...

DEBI: This makes me feel so much better.

ELIAS: ...there is no regret. There is a genuine knowing objectively in that moment that it matters not, that it is merely a choice. The concerns and the perceptions of all other individuals within your physical dimension matter not, for the attention is entirely focused upon self and the allowance of the self to generate their choice in entire freedom to continue or to not continue.

DEBI: How can this be that I don’t even know this is going on with me, but you do? (Laughs) I just feel like...

ELIAS: (Gently) You do, but you are not paying attention.

DEBI: That’s so what I wanted to hear, but I couldn’t say that to myself. It wasn’t coming up. I wasn’t giving that to me. I don’t even know sometimes what I’m really scared of, and you just nailed it for me. It’s very comforting. Because I thought, my god, it can’t be like this. I don’t think people actually worry about it for days ahead of time - you know, "am I going to get hit by a bus?"

ELIAS: This is your fear, and the fear is generated in influence of your beliefs.

DEBI: I sure appreciate that. Thank you very much.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

DEBI: That was a great impression of me, wasn’t it? (Sniffing) Okay, all right. (Emotionally) Nothing dramatic here! (Elias chuckles)

I also wanted to ask you about the other essences. We’ve talked about this a little bit before. You told me one time that the voice was Ordin, and I had asked you about that sensation of thundering in my heart and you had told me that that was in association with the Vold. After that I thought, what did he mean by that? Do you mean in association with me being Vold, in association with me recognizing another Vold essence? Could you...?

ELIAS: In association with the essence representative of the Vold family in these contributing essences.

DEBI: So that’s Ayla, cool!

ELIAS: Other individuals have also experienced this type of physical sensation.

DEBI: I wasn’t real clear; I was thinking that was what it probably was. And then again the questions like Daryl had, ’cause I’ve also been playing around with it a lot. Part of me plays around with no separation and the other part of me wants to separate everybody out and categorize them and all that. But I also wondered about sensations I have. I have this certain thing that happens with my skin. It’s kind of prickly. I associate that with Rose. I don’t know, is that Rose? Prickly, sort of.

ELIAS: No.

DEBI: It’s not. But is that one of them?

ELIAS: Yes.

DEBI: It is, okay. I get one that just really feels ... the only thing I can associate it with is it just feels like I just did a bunch of dope. It’s just a big rush. I associate that with Otha. Is that Otha?

ELIAS: Yes.

DEBI: Ha! Vic helped me with that. You told me to talk to Vic about that. Okay, so I’m on the right track.

Let me ask you something else: do I interpret their energy by associating them with certain colors? For instance, if I associate a certain energy center with a certain color and I feel something in that energy center, is that my way of telling myself, if it’s orange for instance, "Oh, there’s Patel!"? Is there any accuracy in that, or am I just rationalizing recognizing their energy? Do you know what I mean?

ELIAS: Do not discount yourself. This is your method.

DEBI: It is, okay. I don’t know why it is, but I just can’t seem to find Tomkin anywhere. I think what that means is I’m looking too hard. I’m looking in areas that I’m not gonna find. Is that correct?

ELIAS: Perhaps... (Smiling)

DEBI: Really?

ELIAS: ...merely allow. It is not to be sought.

DEBI: Just allow.

ELIAS: Correct.

DEBI: This is great, because I wanted to ask you about that a lot. I do ask you that, and I think you give me validation and I go, "Oh, naw! I’m going to have to ask him in person."

What about the thing in my left ear, is that you?

ELIAS: Yes. And I may express to you, I incorporate this action with many individuals, and it is merely an expression in like manner to yourself - be paying attention in the moment.

DEBI: Just like the foot buzzing. Why does that come on me more often like when I’m doing the dishes? Is it a certain place I go in consciousness that allows me to get that from you, for instance? When I’m engaged in certain activities, it’s kind of like I am more open?

ELIAS: It is not necessarily more of an openness. I am expressing an energy to you to be paying attention to what you are generating in the moment.

DEBI: Okay, I just happen to be doing the dishes or whatever?

ELIAS: This may be a physical activity that you are incorporating, but what do you allow yourself to generate in incorporating that physical activity? "Pay attention."

For within other moments I am quite aware of your shrieking to myself (Elias pauses and smiles broadly, and Debi and Daryl laugh) in your confusion and frustration and drama. And in these moments I am expressing in energy to you, "Pay attention to THIS energy that you are generating," for you may generate this energy in any moment.

DEBI: I’m always very relaxed in those moments. I’m just doing what I’m doing. I don’t even think my attention is on what I’m doing. It’s somewhere else.

ELIAS: Correct! And this is the signal that I am offering to you. Pay attention, you do incorporate the ability to draw upon this energy and express this energy in the moments that you are shrieking to me. (Chuckles)

DEBI: You know that’s going to play on me now! I’m still gonna shriek, though, huh?

ELIAS: Quite!

DEBI: Yeah.

ELIAS: I incorporate no doubt!

DEBI: (Laughing) That doesn’t bother you, does it?

ELIAS: There is no bothersome expression within consciousness.

DEBI: I love this, ’cause you accept me the way I am.

ELIAS: It matters not.

DEBI: And that’s so comforting, because I know you’re always there, and you’re the only friend I have that I can literally shriek at and you still come back!

ELIAS: And so you may, and so you do! Ha ha ha! And it matters not!

DEBI: That’s cool. And see, also I was thinking - because I am playing around with trying to recognize other energy and also other ways of communicating with you - you get me, I just don’t always get you, you know? So the ear thing, that’s good, ’cause I got that on my own. That makes me feel good.

ELIAS: Very well!

DEBI: (Laughs) Okay! Movin’ along!

I want to know, I have this connection with Camille Claudel and Rodin, and I think that she might be one of my focuses. But if she’s not, what’s my connection? Is it just because she goes insane and...

ELIAS: A resonance of energy. Neither of these individuals are focuses of your essence, but you do resonate with the expression of energy.

DEBI: I know them in energy because we’re so alike, especially her?

ELIAS: Correct.

DEBI: ’Cause after you told me, when I asked you if all of my focuses’ thing was prisons and you said "No, similar institutions," well, now I’m looking for myself in every insane asylum since time began. Is that what you meant?

ELIAS: Ah! Another expression of absoluteness.

DEBI: Well, what other institutions were you talking about?

ELIAS: Ha ha! There are many, not merely what you identify as correctional or...

DEBI: Right, like drugs are a prison. There’s different forms of prison, right?

ELIAS: (Softly) We are speaking of institutions, not prison, per se. There are many establishments, and not all of them are associated with what you deem to be bad or negative.

DEBI: Oh! (Elias chuckles) This is so interesting.

ELIAS: Widen your scope!

DEBI: All of a sudden I’m going, "Oh, brothels!" and of course, how could I not?

ELIAS: Ah! How can you not?

DEBI: How can I not? There’s just so, so many.

ELIAS: And all of which are so, so very bad!

DEBI: But that’s the fun part, isn’t it? (Elias chuckles with Debi) It IS the fun part!

That makes me feel better too, because then I was thinking, "Oh, for Christ’s sake, if all my focuses go crazy why would I be any different?" Not that you go crazy, but if you end up in an asylum that doesn’t sound like much fun. Although I realize you’ll probably tell me it can be great fun and ... well, okay, it can, but I really did have a lot of fear about that, which is part of why last week it got so dramatic. Okay, good.

ELIAS: They are merely choices of experiences, my friend.

DEBI: Yeah, I know. All right, then.

By the way, I also have toilets in my dreams. Am I just connecting with her?

ELIAS: Yes.

DEBI: Is that when we’re connecting in dreams? Yeah! How come mine are always tore up and decrepit and they look like something after World War II? That’s just my stuff? (Elias nods and grins, and Debi laughs) Oh? Okay, thanks! Cut the tape! (Elias chuckles) I’ll jump before the camera before I ask the next one, then!

Okay, what’s the thing with Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston? They show up in my dreams a lot. Is that a trigger? Are one of them focuses of mine? What is that?

ELIAS: No - wishfulness.

DEBI: (Laughing) I want to be Brad Pitt! That’s what that is?

ELIAS: It is imagery to yourself of success and beauty and wealth and happiness, and many expressions that you view yourself to not incorporate.

DEBI: So I go there in my dreams to kind of validate myself that I ... because they’re always really friendly with me. It’s not like they’re up here and I’m down there. I mean, there is a slight separate ... but you know what I mean? When I have these guys in my dreams, it’s just like we’re friends and everything is just normal. I’m okay with them, they’re okay with me. So that’s just kind of stroking myself that there is nobody better?

ELIAS: Expressing to yourself, correct, that you are the same in a manner of speaking, and offering yourself imagery to move your attention to your expression of discounting of yourself.

DEBI: Okay, that makes sense. (To Daryl) I think you said something like that, or Jenaro.

DARYL: He said something about relationships, information about relationships, like a model.

DEBI: That’s good. That would have been too much pressure if they were focuses of mine. That would be awful; I couldn’t possibly live up to that! (Everyone laughs)

Okay, wait, what else do I have, Elias, before we run out of time? I do have a game impression.

I get faces; kind of in-between awake and asleep I get a lot of other faces that I think are focuses of mine. Sometimes I get really freaky looking ones in there, and I don’t necessarily think they’re freaky looking because they’re other dimensional. I don’t know what that is. But last night right before I went to sleep I started getting some, and I immediately go, "No, I don’t want to do this tonight," because they’re just right here and they’re ... so who are those guys?

ELIAS: Focuses.

DEBI: They are? Why...

ELIAS: RELAX!

DEBI: You mean right now or in general?

ELIAS: Generally speaking; allow yourself to relax. Remember, the more you push, the more intense you create. Therefore as you relax, you allow acceptance and the fear dissipates.

DEBI: They won’t appear so scary?

ELIAS: Correct. You request of yourself to view other focuses and you are responding to yourself, and you are also responding in "No, no, no, no, no!"

DEBI: (Laughing) Not them!

ELIAS: "Yes, yes, yes! No, no, no!"

DEBI: Yeah, I crawl in a little bit and then I run the other way, with everything, huh? I’m kinda like that. (Elias chuckles and Debi laughs)

ELIAS: If you are practicing relaxing, you may allow yourself to be accepting.

DEBI: That’s the big message, huh? If you have anything really big to tell me, that would be it.

ELIAS: Quite!

DEBI: That permeates everything, it really does. And you know, I do get a little bit lost in all my intense drama. So I guess I’m stuck with it, but I’m not stuck with...

ELIAS: It matters not. You may continue to incorporate drama if you are so choosing. It is quite efficient within your choice and your methods, but you may also allow yourself to practice relaxation and therefore not overwhelm yourself.

DEBI: I love that.

ELIAS: There is a balance, my friend. The balance is not eliminating but allowing for more than one expression.

DEBI: Okay, thanks. (Laughs) Thanks very much.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

DEBI: Well, I think my time is up. Can I do one quick game impression?

ELIAS: You may.

DEBI: I don’t know if this has been done, ’cause I got this a long time ago. Letters of the alphabet, the letter B with indigo, Tumold?

ELIAS: Less probable.

DEBI: Oooo, I was really sure on that one; well, I was last year when I got it! (Elias chuckles) Thanks, Elias.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

DARYL: Can I ask one little question, kind of for both of us? Do we have time? In terms of emotion as communication, I find that I am learning about that and kind of getting a lot of the communication, but the trouble with one emotion I have - and I know we share this at times - is fear and being able to kind of get out of the grip of fear to get the communication. I wondered if you had any words of wisdom to say on that that would be helpful to us?

ELIAS: In the expression of fear you are generating threat. In the expression of threat what you are expressing to yourself in your communication in the moment is that you are generating within yourself an association of generating dangerous energy.

DARYL: That my energy is dangerous to others?

ELIAS: To yourself; but there is no danger.

DARYL: Because it does seem to be self-trust stuff. Then when I check in on the quieter emotions, I’ve got this whole communication of everything is fine, I can trust myself and I already have everything I need.

ELIAS: Correct.

DARYL: It’s like two extremes of the same...

ELIAS: Correct.

DEBI: You’re so smart! (Laughs)

ELIAS: But of course! (Chuckles)

I express affection and encouragement to you both and acknowledgment in your movement, and merely to be remembering to be noticing, paying attention to YOU and relaxing, both of you! (Debi and Daryl laugh)

DEBI: Thank you.

ELIAS: And with this I anticipate our continued interaction, and bid you each quite affectionately, au revoir.

DEBI & DARYL: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 12:36 PM.

(1) Daryl’s note: This individual was actually Debi. I was pretty freaked out by it and had not told her because I knew she was already upset by this subject.

(2) Daryl’s note: Seale had the session before us and I jokingly asked her to be sure not to wear Elias out. She told him about this in her session (#987) and this is his playful response.

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