Thursday, July 12, 2001 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Joe (Holden)
Elias arrives at 10:27 AM. (Arrival time is 22 seconds.)
ELIAS: Good morning!
JOE: Hello, old friend! (Elias laughs) We’re going to be meeting objectively here in October.
ELIAS: I am aware!
JOE: I’m looking forward to it.
ELIAS: It is already accomplished, my friend. Ha ha ha ha!
JOE: Elias, today I’d like to talk to you about some impressions. I had a dream - and I don’t have a clue - so if you can give me your feedback on this, I’d sure appreciate it.
ELIAS: Very well.
JOE: This is the dream imagery: I was walking down a hill, and it was a cold, rainy day. I was walking down toward the well-traveled street and I stepped into a puddle. Under the puddle was a manhole but there wasn’t any cover on it, so I fell straight down into the manhole. I immediately pushed myself back to the surface, but just to see a car moving in my direction and about to run over me, so back down I went. I decided to start bobbing my hand and arm above the surface, hoping someone would see this action and realize I needed help. Just when I thought it was over and time to disengage, someone pulled me to the surface and pulled me out of the manhole, the cars had been stopped, and I knew that I was going to be just fine.
Now my first impression of this dream was that I was creating a movement in probabilities that would possibly create an action of disengagement, that I had drowned and been helped from this dimension, but I don’t think that was the case. Then my second impression was that I had been straining my back to the limit and that perhaps it was time to get the professional help that has been recommended, an operation - falling into the water-filled manhole and being helpless, and being with the way my present condition is. I can’t seem to correct the back problem on my own objectively.
I had other impressions too, and I keep rejecting them. For some reason or other I just can’t seem to fit this one into anything. So, it’s all yours! (Laughs)
ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! Very well, my friend, I shall offer you an explanation of what you have presented to yourself in this dream imagery. You create imagery in which you view yourself to be moving in the familiarity of what you view as your world. You present yourself as walking upon a street, but you also image that your weather is expressed in rain. This also is significant symbology.
The first aspect of this dream imagery is your communication to yourself of the movement that you create in holding your attention outwardly, and in this, the presentment of rain is your imagery to yourself in relation to the constant expression and influx of outside activity which is, in a manner of speaking, influencing of you. Each raindrop is symbolic of an aspect of action and activity which you perceive to be occurring outside of yourself which may be influencing of you and your movement and your choices. Therefore, you may allow yourself the recognition that you have chosen rain to be symbolically demonstrating to you how very many aspects of actions occur within your focus that you view to be outside of yourself that you are paying attention to and that are - or appear to be - influencing of your movement and your choices.
Now; subsequently you, in your description, step into a puddle, which is an accumulation of the raindrops in one area. But the puddle, so to speak, is not what it appears to be objectively, and beneath the puddle is the actual hole - or it may be described as similar to a tunnel - and within this hole that you find yourself moving into, there is also an accumulation of water. This appears initially to you to be threatening. The reason it appears to you to be threatening is that it presents to you the identification of a lack of control.
In this, you attempt to be rising once again to the surface, but as you approach the surface, you view movement that is also appearing to be threatening. Thusly you move once again into this hole or tunnel, and in the finality of your dream imagery you emerge from the hole unharmed and unthreatened by the surface expressions.
Now; the communication and the information that you are presenting to yourself in this imagery is an explanation of your own movement now, viewing that as you project your attention outside of yourself and hold your attention outside of yourself, you create expressions of confusion and less clarity within yourself. You choose to move into unfamiliar territory, turning your attention inward to self. There is still an element of struggle which occurs in wanting to be continuing to move your attention to what is familiar, but continuing to turn your attention regardless in unfamiliar areas inwardly to self.
Once there is expressed the accomplishment of dissipating the fear of this unfamiliar action of turning your attention to self and HOLDING your attention upon self, you begin to relax your energy, and this allows you to resurface with your attention being directed to self, but engaging more comfortably interacting with your attention outside of yourself. The surface expressions - the rain, the street, the puddle - [are] your imagery to yourself of expressions and interactions and events that are perceived to be outside of yourself.
JOE: How about the helping hands that lifted me out of there?
ELIAS: This is your expression of you. This is not symbology of any other individual or essence offering you helpfulness; but this is your expression that you have offered to yourself, that as you trust and as you disengage the struggle, your objective and subjective harmoniously express together and the objective is less confusing, which is symbolized in your dream imagery as helpful.
JOE: So then, basically I have the ability to offer myself the help I need.
ELIAS: Yes.
JOE: In one of our sessions I talked to you about how I was really going out on a limb and expanding things, and that the work, everything, was going to be great and it’s not. I kind of overdid myself, and it was causing me some apprehension. You and I had talked about it in a session. Everything has now turned out to be totally fine. It’s not completely accomplished yet, but the accomplishment is well on its way to fruition.
ELIAS: This is your exercise, my friend, in trust. This is what you have created individually to provide yourself with an avenue to exercise trust in your ability to be creating, and within yourself.
In a manner of speaking, my friend, what you have offered to yourself in this movement that you have objectively created, and in your challenge, is quite similar to your creation of your apple, for initially you expressed frequent doubt in relation to your ability to actually accomplish creating this physical expression, and you have presented to yourself obstacles which have been the manifestation objectively of your doubt and your indication to yourself to continue to be practicing in the expression of trust. And now, as your creation comes to fruition, you validate yourself that you have in actuality created your apple, for you have allowed yourself a genuine expression of trust in your ability to be creating what you want.
JOE: My god, Elias, does that explain a lot! You know, this has always sounded crazy to a lot of people, but for my whole life I have loved to take walks in the pouring down rain, in bad weather, and it always had a tremendous calming effect. I always loved to do that, and everybody thought I was nuts.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) Interesting imagery that you provide yourself, my friend! For this is your expression of the comfort that you experience in the familiarity of movement objectively, and your expression of creating outwardly the ease in which you allow yourself to move in objective expression and in the familiarity of movement and action that you perceive to be outside of yourself.
JOE: That’s amazing. I don’t know why I couldn’t come up with that, but I really appreciate your help and, my gosh, does that explain a lot.
ELIAS: You are very welcome, my friend.
JOE: On another note, I wanted to ask you about my son, Jeff. We hadn’t had a very good relationship here - basically it’s all right - but that seems to have been changing. I really haven’t looked into it that well, subjectively, on my own. Did we interact in other focuses?
ELIAS: Yes.
JOE: Can you tell me in which way?
ELIAS: You engage other focuses in which you express different types of relationships. You engage two other focuses in which you express challenge and conflict with each other, but also engage counterpart action. You also participate in several focuses in which you have expressed an intimacy in your relationship.
JOE: As husband and wife, or friends, or what sort?
ELIAS: As expressing a closeness in friendship, also as siblings, and one as lovers, so to speak.
JOE: I’ll be darned. I kind of thought there might be something there, but as I said, I really haven’t tried to investigate it, so I appreciate that.
ELIAS: You are quite welcome.
JOE: All right. I had other questions, but that explains so much already that I’ll be able to sort the rest of this out.
ELIAS: Let me also offer to you that the movement that is being expressed presently between yourself and this particular individual is another expression of evidence of your movement. In turning your attention more to self and allowing yourself to relax your energy and becoming more comfortable in the expression of trust within self, you are projecting a different quality of energy outwardly, which allows for an openness within self which draws this individual to you.
JOE: Elias, I knew it had to be something like that. I couldn’t put my finger on it. I certainly didn’t know how to verbalize it, but just out of the blue something that I had been thinking about for a while, also future plans in an expansion of the business and everything else, and just out of the blue there it came!
ELIAS: Ha ha! Effortlessly!
JOE: Absolutely, positively effortlessly! Almost as if I really hadn’t had anything to do with it, it just happened.
ELIAS: Ah, but you do, my friend!
JOE: There was a tremendous amount of apprehension over the financial risks and everything that I was taking in building this farm on an objective level, and now that we’re basically over the hump, it seems like there’s so much more expansion that I can do.
ELIAS: Quite! And this is the evidence of your trust.
JOE: That’s fantastic, it really is! You know my eyes are being opened - that’s just an expression, as you know - more and more. It just keeps validating itself. Now that I’m actually past the apprehension, I guess I’ve pretty well dealt with those beliefs subjectively, because I feel a lot more comfortable objectively. I really do feel that I can accomplish a lot more and trust myself more in being able to do it.
ELIAS: Quite! And what a wondrous expression of freedom, is it not?
JOE: Yes! Knowing me and the way I am and also starting to understand more about my intent within this focus, I have a heck of lot more to accomplish here, but I can do it and actually have a lot more fun at it.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) Which presents much more of an ease, much less of a thickness, and allows you more of an expression of appreciation for your abilities and self and the freedom of what you may allow yourself to be accomplishing.
JOE: Yes, and also it gives me a chance to experience, actually experience the things that you’ve been talking about and saying, and understand them as I experience them. And quite frankly, that means so much towards my own total education of myself.
ELIAS: Quite! This is the point, for your understanding objectively becomes clearer in relation to experience.
I have expressed many times previously, I may be offering information to you all within your physical dimension and if you are not incorporating the experience in relation to the concepts, your understanding of the information remains in concept. But as you create experiences in relation to these concepts, you move the concepts into an actual reality. They become expressions of reality rather than merely intellectual concepts.
JOE: Exactly, yes, exactly. And when you can experience them at least within this dimension, then the whole idea kind of hits home.
ELIAS: Correct, for this is design of this physical dimension. As I have stated in simplicity, my friend, many, many times, individuals inquire, ’What is my purpose? Why have I manifest within this physical dimension?’ and my response is simply, ’You have manifest in this physical dimension to experience.’
JOE: Well, I tell you what, I’m thankful that I am really starting to get an objective, not just a subjective, but an objective understanding of the way that this works.
ELIAS: Ha ha! And this, my friend, is the point of this shift in consciousness!
JOE: Before I was a little bit apprehensive about this, learning about a shift in consciousness and everything, about how things were going to change, and I kind of think that this is the trauma that you’ve been talking about with myself and with other people. Actually, that’s almost ludicrous any more, in my way of thinking.
ELIAS: Ha ha! As you move more into an awareness of self and an acceptance and trust, you do eliminate the trauma.
JOE: You’ve also made it a big point in your helpfulness to everybody in this forum.
ELIAS: You are correct, my friend, this IS the point.
JOE: Now, I want to ask you another question - I just got this impression. I’m starting to work my way through this, starting to understand it, and actually being able to physically objectify all of the precepts and stuff that we’ve been talking about. You and I have been friends and have interacted basically forever - and now I just want you to comment on my impressions - because my impressions are that I’m starting to get that you and I have been friends, and have been friends forever and always will be, and that nobody really needs to ... no, that’s the wrong way to put it. The validation that you give has always been there. Now we do it this way objectively, but in all truth, that’s not a necessity. We don’t need an objective session. We use the objective sessions with you as a tool toward understanding, but they never have been a necessity (Elias nods in agreement) and that that information - and Elias in particular - has always been available to everyone.
ELIAS: You are correct.
JOE: All right. Well then, my impressions are starting to come home a little bit faster and at a little bit faster rate, and they seem to be more accurate, too. (Laughs)
ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! Your INTERPRETATION of them is more accurate - your impressions have always been accurate. Ha ha ha ha!
JOE: Well, I tell you what, I still need a lot of help with this dream imagery, but once it’s explained to me, my gosh, does that hit right dead on the head. I was way off on what I was thinking, but that’s why I come to you for help when I need it!
ELIAS: Ha ha ha! And I am always available. (Chuckling)
JOE: Elias, I want to thank you. For whatever reason, I think that this transcript is going to be helpful to a lot of people. I hope it is.
ELIAS: I may express to you, my friend, your interaction in sharing objective experiences and movement in relation to the directions of this shift in consciousness are ALWAYS affecting of other individuals and, in your terms, helpful.
JOE: Just with my way of thinking, I sure hope they’re making a positive influence. (Elias chuckles) And then again, I’m going to see you in October physically, and I’ll have some fun!
ELIAS: Ah! And so we shall, my friend!
JOE: Ha ha ha! I’m really looking forward to it; I just absolutely know it’s going to be great!
ELIAS: Ha ha ha! I concur! (Chuckling)
JOE: Elias, thanks, and take care.
ELIAS: You are very welcome, my friend. As always, I express to you tremendous affection and encouragement, and also anticipate our continued interaction. To you this morning in lovingness, au revoir.
JOE: Take care.
Elias departs at 11:02 AM.
(1) Joe and Elias have had a continuing conversation about manifesting an apple in one’s hand. See Session .
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