Sunday, December 17, 2000-1 (Private/Phone)
Participants:  Mary (Michael) and Ben (Albert).
Elias arrives at 10:21 AM. (Arrival time is 23 seconds)

ELIAS:  Good morning!

BEN:  Good morning, Elias.

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  Ah, you grace me with your presence this morning! (Ben chuckles)  Ha ha ha ha ha!

BEN:  And you with mine!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha ha!  And how shall we proceed?

BEN:  Well, I want to talk about Oscar Wilde today.

ELIAS:  Very well.

BEN:  Since we last talked, I have been taking a class on Oscar for the past twelve weeks, and I thought it would be interesting, because there doesn’t seem to be that much in the transcripts, to just devote a whole session to talking about him and his life and his work.

ELIAS:  If you are so choosing.

BEN:  Well, the first question I want to ask is, in the 20s we had Hester Travers Smith, and then in the 60s we had Leslie Flint, both claiming to be speaking for Oscar.  What’s the difference between those situations and what we’re doing now?

ELIAS:  Let me express to you that within the engagement of an activity that individuals term to be channeling, generally speaking, for the most part, an individual that engages that action is not in actuality creating an energy exchange with another essence, but is allowing themselves to literally channel information from other areas of consciousness — for the most part, other areas of information which are held within their own essence — into their objective awareness within physical focus.

Now; at times in this type of action, an individual may be tapping into the energy deposit — which we term to be the world view — of a particular individual or focus of attention.

Now; one of these individuals — the first individual that you have identified — actually allowed an opening of awareness and moved into that tapping of information which is held within the world view of the focus.  Therefore, that particular individual channeled information and energy from that area of consciousness through other layers of consciousness into the physical focus objective awareness, and allowed a presentment of some information in relation to that world view of the focus.

Each focus holds an energy deposit which is the world view of their manifestation, which also holds information beyond their individual experiences which have been explored or created within their individual manifestation within physical focus.

Now; this is not an actual interaction, so to speak, with the essence itself that has created that focus of attention that you identify as that individual of Oscar.  It is an energy deposit of the essence concerning that one focus of attention.

The other individual of which you are speaking was not tapping into the world view of that particular focus, but rather allowing information and energy to be filtered through layers of consciousness of that one essence — their own essence — and in that action, [there] was created a perception by the individual that the information and the experience felt or seemed to be resonating with a quality that may be associated with that individual of Oscar as it was manifest within physical focus.  Therefore, this action was created differently from the first action, for this was an interpretation and a translation in association with the individual’s beliefs.

Now; recognize that the first individual also filtered some information concerning that world view through their own belief systems and associations.  But in actuality, there is less of that affectingness with the first individual than with the second individual.  Are you understanding?

BEN:  Yes.

ELIAS:  In this energy exchange that is occurring presently, I am not presenting myself to you as this one focus of attention of Oscar.  This is one manifestation of this essence that you are speaking to.  I am not presenting to you that particular focus of attention.  There are many, many, many focuses of attention of each essence, as you are aware, this being merely one focus of attention.  What you interact with in this forum is another aspect of the essence that also has created that particular physical manifestation of that individual.  But as you are aware — as you have been privy to our recent conversation with Colleen — this is not a singular manifestation, exclusive, so to speak, to one essence. (reference )

Therefore, other individuals lay claim to an exchange and an interaction with the actual focus of attention which has disengaged, as dictated through their beliefs and their physically focused associations of those beliefs.

In this, I have offered information that that is one focus of attention of this essence, but this is not the aspect that engages interaction with you within this forum.  Are you understanding?

BEN:  Yes.  Okay, to me it was almost like when we spoke before ... well, it has been very interesting for me to take this class and to learn about Oscar Wilde.  But I guess it seems interesting to me that considering the numbers of focuses that you and I might possibly have shared, that I would necessarily go towards this one over any other one ... not that it hasn’t been interesting.

ELIAS:  And what is your fascination with this one focus?

BEN:  Well, I personally didn’t have a fascination with it, except thinking that I might learn something about you by learning something about him, but also to learn something about myself.

ELIAS:  Correct, and in this exploration, you do offer yourself information concerning both essences, for although this is but one focus of attention of this essence, it is an aspect of this essence.

Also, I may say to you, there are some qualities of that particular focus which are expressed as preference of this essence.  Therefore, it may offer you some information as to the qualities and preferences of this essence that you are speaking to, for this essence has manifest many focuses of attention in physical manifestation in your particular dimension that exhibit similar qualities to that one particular focus that you are investigating.

There are qualities of physical projection of appearance that are preferred by this essence, and are similarly manifest in many other focuses of attention physically.  There are some qualities of personality type that are also manifest in many other focuses of attention physically within your dimension.  Therefore, you may offer yourself information as to the preferences of this essence that you are speaking to through investigation of some of its focuses.

It also, as you have recognized, shall offer you some information concerning your own essence and what you choose to be manifesting in different focuses, allowing yourself information to your own preferences as essence.  For each essence, as they physically manifest within this physical dimension, does hold certain preferences of manifestations and personality types, orientations, direction of experiences. (Pause)

BEN:  Great! (Laughing)

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

In this, within this physical focus, I may express to you, you also express many of the preferences of your essence for physical manifestation — in physical form, and in expression of personality type, and in certain aspects of the exploration of the base elements of this physical dimension, in emotion and sexuality.

BEN:  Well, as long as we’re gonna talk about sexuality....

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha!

BEN:  What’s up with Oscar?  I mean, we have a particular idea of what we think Oscar’s sex life was supposed to have been like, but there was so much myth and legend surrounding the man.  I can’t imagine that the reality would be as boring as what we imagine.

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  Let me express to you, Albert, individuals create a perception of other individuals — and of this particular individual — in relation to their preferences and their experience.

In this, this particular character, so to speak, is quite colorful and allows for a diversity of associations within other individuals, and in relation to sexuality, there are many associations that individuals create in relation to him.

As to this character himself, the expression of sexuality was in actuality less flamboyant, so to speak, than the myths that surround him.  There are many stories and many associations that individuals attribute to this particular individual.

In actuality, there has been a tremendous aspect of fear that was expressed in that particular manifestation.  The individual in actuality expressed less physical participation or expression of his own sexuality — in the terms that you are referring to — than is perceived by other individuals, for there have been held strong influences in belief systems by that individual which created tremendous limitations within the expressions of that individual.

I may express to you, the individual’s expression of sexuality was more limited to the exploration of fantasy and what was created inwardly than actual participation physically, outwardly.  This individual also, although holding a fascination with certain sexual expressions within physical manifestations, in actuality held an appreciation for both physical genders, so to speak, but also created a tremendous expression of fear in association with both physical genders.

BEN:  Because he was married?

ELIAS:  No.  But I may express to you, as I have stated, the beliefs that are held by that individual are strongly expressed, and in this, there are tremendous expressions underlying — and objectively held in awareness — in association with religious beliefs, which create tremendous limitations and were of tremendous influence in the behaviors and actions and creations of this individual.

The individual himself holds a fascination with what he perceives within his time framework to be decadence, in very similar manner to what you yourself may associate with in subsequent time frameworks in your artistic movement of your surrealists.  This individual — this character of Oscar — held a very strong fascination with expressions within his reality that he perceived to be forbidden and decadent, and the exploration of that in the purity of its expression.  Are you following?

BEN:  Oh yes.

ELIAS:  The direction of his attention was to be exploring the purity of the experiences that beliefs express as decadent, and exploring the underlying associations in the rawness of the experiences.  But as I have stated, there are also simultaneously expressed strong associations with belief systems.

Now; simultaneously, there is a general expression of this individual that holds an appreciation for the traditional creations and movements of the societies, and an appreciation for the expressions of those religious beliefs which he strongly associates with.  Therefore, two objectively conflicting directions are engaged simultaneously by this individual.

There is a genuine appreciation within this individual of the physical manifestation of both genders, the physical expression and function of both genders, the appreciation of physical form of both genders, and a particular fascination with the qualities that may be expressed in the physical manifestations of both genders and the exploration of those expressions, and in that exploration, there is a particular fascination within this individual of how those expressions are not as absolute as perceived and expected by the society.  Are you understanding?

BEN:  Yes.

ELIAS:  Therefore, there is an exploration of this individual in the base elements of your physical reality, of sexuality and emotion, and how those qualities of your physical dimension are expressed through individuals in a lack of absoluteness in association to gender.

This individual allowed themself movement through experiences and [an] exploration and discovery within physical focus in a fullness, to an extent, in association with the allowance of traditional expressions, in compliance with mass beliefs within the societies, and also allowed for an exploration and discovery of experiences outside of the officially accepted societal beliefs.

But there has also been strongly expressed, in both directions of exploration, many limitations within his individual actual physical participation, for the fear that was generated within this individual created an obstacle and a block in the actual physical participation of his fascinations, for the most part.

Occasionally there were actual interactions of himself in association with that exploration and other individuals.  But for the most part, within that particular manifestation — and also influenced by the designation of a final focus position — the exploration, in physical terms, was engaged more in observation than in actual physical participation.

Therefore, quite simply, I may also express to you, as I engage interaction with other individuals and with yourself also, you may be inquiring as to interactions and physical relationships that may have been engaged between yourself within another focus of essence and that individual, and I may express to you in the affirmative, but that is not to say that there has actually been created a physical, sexual interaction between the two individuals.

I may quite clearly express to you presently, for the most part, this individual of Oscar participated in those types of relationships quite infrequently, and much more often participated in an emotional exchange with other individuals, and observed the physical interaction between two or more individuals outside of himself.  Are you understanding?

BEN:  Like a voyeur.

ELIAS:  Quite.

BEN:  So that scene in the movie “Wilde” is not that far off.

ELIAS:  One moment. (Pause)  Yes, you are correct.  This in actuality is an expression that is much more frequently exhibited by this individual than an actual participation physically himself.

BEN:  Very interesting.  Now, I want to ask you ... for example, in class, I had to read De Profundis.  I found myself reading it in two ways, and I think it must have been based on perhaps some interaction with a focus of mine and a focus of yours.

But also, the fact that I was reading it from a “there are no victims” standpoint, because I kept reading this, thinking that he was pathetic! (Elias grins)  I don’t know if that was based on some relationship that we had, or was just based on the fact that I was reading his life from this other viewpoint.

ELIAS:  I am understanding.

Now; this also may offer you more information in relation to you and your essence, and also in relation to what you engage in this particular physical focus.

Now; at our previous last meeting, I offered information to Colleen in relation to this focus of attention of Oscar, this character.

BEN:  Yes.

ELIAS:  Therefore, you hold information that more than one essence may be participating in the manifestation of one focus of attention, one physical manifestation, correct?

BEN:  Yes.  That’s very interesting.

ELIAS:  Now; in this, I am aware of your search and research in relation to your associations with different focuses of attention, other focuses of your essence.

I have expressed an identification, in part, of the focus of attention that is identified as the individual to which that letter was written.  I may express to you, the individual — or the essence — that I have identified previously as being that particular individual in that focus is not the primary aspect.  [It] is an aspect of that particular focus of attention and manifestation, but is not the primary aspect of that attention.

Now; I may also express to you presently, this essence of Albert is the primary focus of attention in that focus.  Are you understanding?

BEN:  Well, is it like the joke I was saying to Michael, saying that if you and Edward can be Oscar, then she and I can be Bosie?

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha ha!  Quite!

In this, the essences share, so to speak, the manifestation.  Michael is not the primary aspect of that focus of attention.

BEN:  But I am.

ELIAS:  Correct.

Now; I may also express to you, although that may be partially influencing of your perception of what you have allowed yourself to read and participate with in this letter, I may also express to you that you, within this physical focus now, hold information that is also influencing of your perception.

Within that particular focus, the individual of Oscar held a perception of self as a victim, and clearly expressed this energy within his exchange.  The other individual in that exchange at times also held a perception of being a victim, and associating Oscar as being a victim. (Pause)

BEN:  Okay.  There has been some press lately about the question of how Oscar died, like did he die from syphilis, or did he die from an ear infection, or does it really make a difference?

ELIAS:  In actuality, it matters not.  But in the creation of physical manifestation of disengagement, if you are looking to a cause, so to speak ... which I may express to you once again is in actuality, once again, an expression of belief systems, for any manifestation is not a “cause” of disengagement.  It is merely a chosen method of explanation for the choice of disengagement, and an experience to be creating a direction of that particular type of movement.  But I am understanding of your question.

In this, the cause, so to speak, was actually neither of those identifications, but what you may associate as more closely related to the infectious ear, as this was manifest further into an infectiousness, in your terms, within the physical brain.  This was creating of malfunctions, in your terms, of other organ functioning, as the physical brain was affected in a manner to also be malfunctioning.

This is figuratively speaking, for in actuality, these are all chosen directions to the physical body consciousness to be creating a specific direction, and therefore, the actual physical body is merely responding to the subjective direction and complying with that direction, and not in actuality malfunctioning.

BEN:  Okay.  As part of my ... I’m going back to me again.  As part of my objective investigation in trying to figure out my part in the Oscar drama or something, I was basically thinking about my French chapter focus at the time, but I would imagine that Bosie would not be part of that chapter focus.  I must have some other personality running concurrently. (Pause)

ELIAS:  You are partially correct.  As you are aware, you create several manifestations within one time framework in each time framework.

In this, there is an element of that focus which may be associated with the chapter focus, but it may be expressed as merely one aspect of experience. Therefore, generally speaking, you are correct.  No, it is not an association of the chapter focuses.

BEN:  Because the other thing was the personality I came across.  I’ve been running across many of these personalities who I think possibly might also be members of this forum or something else, because of my draw to them.

But the one that seemed to have the biggest draw to me was the personality of Loie Fuller.  In speaking with C9, I wasn’t exactly sure.  I mean, obviously it was not just the fact of watching her perform.  I obviously had some kind of friendly interaction with her.  So it was interesting to me that she would be the personality that I would be drawn to, out of all these people that I became aware of.

ELIAS:  Quite.  I am understanding.

Let me express to you, you are not manifest as that particular individual, but do hold another focus of attention which engages, so to speak, an intimate association with that individual and holds a tremendous draw to that individual.

BEN:  Can I get that focus’ name from you?

ELIAS:  HA HA HA!  Albert, shall you not investigate?  This shall be quite EASY for your objective investigation!  I have offered you a clear clue — this is an individual that is very closely associated with that individual.

BEN:  Well, the only name I came up with in looking at the back of her book was Rodin.

ELIAS:  No.

BEN:  But I didn’t think that’s who it was.

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!  Intimate friendship.

BEN:  Okay. (Elias chuckles)  Let’s see.  Oh, I did speak to Oscar’s grandson, Merlin Holland, trying to get some good questions to ask in an Oscar-related manner.  His only question was, “Was it worth it?”  I told him I thought you’d answered that in the 7th session you had.

ELIAS:  (Laughing)  Quite!  An interesting exploration of experience!

BEN:  Yes.  I’m going to be looking forward to finding out more about my part in it myself!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha!

BEN:  I guess one other thing is, when I first mentioned to you that I thought that I had some issues with you, that I didn’t like you or whatever because you had dumped me or wronged me or whatever we were saying, I really was not ... the impression that I had was completely away from Oscar.

ELIAS:  I am aware.

BEN:  But that was in a completely other time framework, I presume, a different relationship, a different everything.

ELIAS:  I may express to you, my friend, we have participated, in your terms, in several focuses physically together.

Be remembering that I have stated to you, you now are manifest in an expression that moves in the creation of preference of your essence.  That particular focus of Oscar is a preference of this essence.  This may offer you information in your exploration of your focuses, many of which are not renowned or expressing what you term to be fame, but are engaged with this essence in the manifestations of both essence’s preferences, and in those expressions, there have been other focuses in which the individuals engage expressions of intimacy and conflict.

I may express to you, you have created many more focuses of attention with Michael without conflict than you have created with this essence!  Ha ha ha ha!

BEN:  Michael and I are imagining that we were brothers and sisters, at least at one point.  I have a very protective nature towards her.

ELIAS:  I may express to you that you and Michael have created that type of relationship, as siblings, in both gender capacities many times.  You have also created explorations of relationships of other types together.  You in actuality have manifest many focuses together.  I may express to you that it may appear, in your objective terms, that these two essences hold a preference for manifestation in the relationship of siblings, and have created that more times than the other types of relationships that may be expressed.  Yes, you have created relationships as brothers, as sisters, as brother and sister many, many times.

BEN:  No doubt!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha ha!

BEN:  But see, that’s the kind of thing where it’s like, I don’t need you to tell me that.  I can tell YOU that.

ELIAS:  I am quite understanding, and this is my encouragement to you and to you all — that you DO hold this information.  It is not hidden from you, and you may be expressing this information to myself if allowing yourselves the remembrance.  I am not offering to you information that you do not already hold.  I am merely responding....

BEN:  (Inaudible)

ELIAS:  In a manner of speaking.

I am responding in relation to your questioning, to be validating and to be offering you information that may be helpful in triggering your remembrance, and allowing you an objective ease with less trauma in engaging that remembrance.

BEN:  Well, I’d like to ask for your help in one more remembrance.

ELIAS:  Ha ha!

BEN:  My friend Christopher, since I’ve met him ... I mean, this is what makes me think that there’s something to all this.  Since I’ve met him, it’s like I want to call him something else.  There’s some other name I want to call him.  It seems like Christopher doesn’t say enough anymore.  It’s not his name anymore.  You don’t have to tell me that we’ve had many focuses together.  I wouldn’t be able to feel about him the way I do now without that being true, I think, or at least that’s the way I understand it.

ELIAS:  You are correct.

BEN:  But can you tell me what name it is that I want to call him?  Is it his essence name?  Is it a focus name?

ELIAS:  What you are identifying within you is a focus name.  I may offer to you the essence name, but what you are associating with is a focus name that holds significance to you.

In this, I may be encouraging of you to allow yourself a quietness, and allow yourself a flow of energy to allow that physical naming to be objectively realized.  For you may in actuality allow this quite easily if you are allowing yourself to relax and merely flow with not merely your energy, but with a sense and an association with his energy.  You may access this quite easily.

BEN:  No hint?

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  This is the challenge, my friend!  Ha ha ha ha!

BEN:  (Laughing)  Fair enough, fair enough.

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha!  Are you wishing for the identification of essence name?

BEN:  Okay, I’ll take that.  That will be a good place to start.

ELIAS:  Very well.  Essence name, Dora.

BEN:  Okay, I’m sure I can spell that just fine. (Elias chuckles)  That will give me a good place to start.

ELIAS:  There is what you term, in your association objectively, a softness in your fondness and affection of the particular focus that you are associating with, a gentleness that is expressed by both individuals and greatly appreciated by both individuals.

BEN:  Like a parent with a child?

ELIAS:  No.

BEN:  Okay.

ELIAS:  In similar capacity to what you desire in this focus.

BEN:  Okay. (Pause)  Now let me ask about something interesting that happened when you had your session with Colleen.  I had a recurrence of something that happened to me when I was at the Monroe Institute, where I became really, really aware of my skeleton and my bones, and I thought that was very interesting.

ELIAS:  And express to me your impression of this experience.

BEN:  Well, while you were talking to Edward, I became very aware of my skull and my bones and whatever.  Since then, I’ve been thinking about it as being imagery of the core of someone, and thinking about being skinny as having your core more closely to the surface, and thinking that maybe this could end up being something interesting or fun, when it was something I didn’t think that much of before.

ELIAS:  You are correct in your assessment of your impression.  You have presented yourself an experience and imagery which is a communication to you that you are desiring to be exploring more of your understanding and recognition of essence and of self in this focus; the base elements of self; your core, so to speak; that which creates the structure of you.

BEN:  You know, I often get confused when you use the word self.  Like for example, you say, “Turn attention to self,” and I guess I always think of it in terms of this particular focus.  Is that the way you mean it most of the time?

ELIAS:  For the most part, I am speaking to each of you with this terminology in relation to this particular focus, for as you allow yourself to become familiar with this particular focus and all of its qualities, all of the beliefs that it holds, and how it creates its individual reality in this particular manifestation, you also begin to familiarize yourself with you, or with self as essence.

But generally speaking, it may be quite difficult and challenging for the individual to be attempting to familiarize themselves with essence, as this is extremely vast, and your beliefs within this physical dimension are also core to all of your associations and hold a very strong influence in relation to your perceptions.

You also have created a design in this physical dimension which holds your attention very strongly in relation to physical manifestations.  Therefore, it is difficult for each of you to be creating any type of association with any aspect of consciousness that does not fit into your known physical associations in this physical dimension.  Therefore, as you allow yourself to become familiar with this particular focus of attention, you also begin to familiarize yourself with other aspects of yourself as essence.

In this, you are correct.  For the most part, I am referring to self as you in this particular focus of attention in this manifestation.

BEN:  I’m going to presume that I’ve had, I don’t know, over 1000 manifestations in this dimension.

ELIAS:  Correct.

BEN:  I’m going to guess that my tone color is some shade of green.

ELIAS:  You are also correct; what you may identify as forest green.

BEN:  That’s interesting.  Well, I’m not going to have Michael get mad at me for letting this session go on too long, like she said I let the Colleen session go on, so....

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha ha!

BEN:  So I’m going to wish you a good afternoon, and au revoir!

ELIAS:  Very well!

BEN:  Thanks for speaking to me once again.  I think we’re getting along much better all the time!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha ha!  And we shall continue to develop a new relationship, shall we not!  Ha ha ha ha ha!

BEN:  Sounds good to me!

ELIAS:  I express to you, my friend, tremendous affection, once again.  But I also shall continue to offer to you playful energy, for I hold an awareness of your appreciation of playfulness!  Ha ha ha!

BEN:  But you don’t have to blow ALL the light bulbs in my house!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha ha!  To you this day, au revoir.

BEN:  Au revoir.

Elias departs at 11:30 AM.

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