Saturday, November 11, 2000
© 2000 (Private/Phone)
Participants:  Mary (Michael) and Fran (Sandel).
Vic’s note:  This session is being transcribed out of order, so to speak, because of the timely nature of the first question, which is about our current presidential election.  I find it fascinating to observe this event in relation to the shift and as we move into the year 2001.  Many thanks to Fran for bringing this up!
Elias arrives at 2:36 PM. (Arrival time is 23 seconds)

ELIAS:  Good morning!

FRAN:  Good morning, Elias!  Good to talk to you!

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  And you also!

FRAN:  Well, I have tons and tons of things to ask you about.  They probably won’t all get done today, but we’ll see how we can do here.

Before I start on any of the personal stuff, I want to talk to you about the election.

ELIAS:  Proceed!

FRAN:  Okay.  It’s not that I want to talk to you so much; it’s that I want to kind of get some of your take on what’s going on with this mass movement that we’re all participating in.  Could you just give me some feedback on it?

ELIAS:  I shall.  First of all, offer to me, what is your impression as to this action?

FRAN:  Well, I was just telling Mary, one thing for sure is that we know there are no absolutes! (Elias chuckles)  We don’t absolutely even have a president yet!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha ha!

FRAN:  And I see also a tremendous division that is going to have to be dealt with here, in having to make a decision between two people that don’t seem that far apart.

ELIAS:  Correct. (Chuckling)

Now allow yourself to investigate and explore this situation further, and recognize that this is a mass event within this time framework which has very purposefully been created, in relation to all of you that are participating within it, as an objective expression and evidence and example, once again, of the movement of this shift in consciousness.

Now; I have expressed to you that in the action of this shift in consciousness, much of your objective reality is and shall be altering, even expressions that have become quite familiar to you and established within your reality concerning your governments, your countries, your interactions with each other in mass associations.  Many of your identifications of what you have viewed as the norm, and as you have stated, as absolutes, are altering.  You are redefining your reality!

I have expressed throughout this time framework of this year that you now begin the objective insertion of this shift in consciousness into your officially accepted reality, and in this, you are redefining your reality.

This is not an overall, general expression in vagueness, but quite pointedly in specifics, in every area of your reality, as you turn your attention and begin redefining all of the aspects of your physical reality and how you create it and interact with it.

I have likened this shift in consciousness to a revolutionary action.  What you are experiencing within your community of your country presently is also a type of revolutionary action, in redefining certain aspects of your reality in relation to your government.

You have watched — and in some respects participated in — the mass movements and upheavals and redefining of mass expressions and realities in other areas of your globe, and as you watch, many of you within your particular country view yourselves to be quite removed from all of these actions.

Now; let me also express to you, this particular movement that is occurring within your country presently in this time framework may be associated with the belief system of duplicity.

This is a movement in association with duplicity, and it extends in its ripples of affectingness far beyond the interaction and interplay that occurs in what you view to be the center arena, for it is affecting of all of you, and you are all affecting of yourselves in your examination of your response to this action, and your provisions to yourselves in the offering of individual opportunity to view your individual beliefs and their motivations, and your association of self in relation to the rest of the community of your world.

For within your particular country, you have established a belief of separation in a manner that is unique to this particular society.  You remove yourselves, in comfort, from all other communities of your world, and have established an association within yourselves, individually and en masse, that you are almost immune and protected from any of the actions that are incorporated within other areas of your world that appear to you to be chaotic or negative in expressions of threats or violence, or in the expressions that you yourselves may be shaken, in a manner of speaking, and incorporating uncertainty.

Other communities, other countries, other groups of individuals throughout your globe may be redefining their reality in quite physical terms, but you within this community of this particular society are “beyond” that action, (grinning) and shall incorporate this shift in consciousness not necessarily in physical actions and terms, but in intellectual and spiritual manners. (Chuckling)

FRAN:  Thank you very much.  That was great.  The duplicity I was pretty much picking up on myself, but the whole thing has been so interesting.  It’s kind of almost like a game! (Elias chuckles)

So, now I will ask you about some personal things.  This morning I woke up early thinking about this session, and went straight to the computer and wrote some things down about some symptoms I’ve been having lately.  Can I just read this to you?  I think that would be the most efficient way to do it.

ELIAS:  You may.

FRAN:  Okay.  What it says is, I travel a lot through my work, my professional activities, and just for my own pleasure.  I really enjoy being away and on my own, but I have conflict with my husband over this.  Together we have created a few very dependent animals that we perceive can’t be left alone — a diabetic cat and an old, incontinent dog.  In addition, in the past few months I have created soreness and stiffness in my knees, hips, and lower back, and I know that these are all related.  I think the animals are mirroring the conflict I have with my husband over my flexibility and movement, coupled with my own beliefs about responsibility and his dependence on my presence.  Do you have any comments about this?

ELIAS:  I may express to you — also in relation to this wave in consciousness addressing to the belief system of duplicity — many individuals are presenting themselves not necessarily with what you term to be new or different situations or circumstances, although they may be creating in this manner also, but may be creating a new awareness or noticing of certain movements that have been incorporated in their individual realities.

This awareness is being incorporated in a manner in which individuals are translating their energy into objective, physical displays of these conflicts, so to speak.  It may not necessarily be expressed in physical body affectingness, but in any type of physical, objective manner, which you offer to yourself as a clear example of your being influenced in your perception by expressions and aspects of this belief system of duplicity.

Now; in your individual situation, you are incorporating two objective, physical displays of movement that offer you a clear and visible example of how you are allowing aspects of this belief system to be affecting of your perception, which also thusly is creating of your reality, and in this, you limit your choices or you do not view your choices.

One of the aspects of duplicity which is in play in these examples that you are presenting to yourself is the aspect of the victim.  In this, you view yourself to be the victim, AND your partner to be the victim.

FRAN:  Wow.

ELIAS:  I may express to you also that this is the challenge, to allow yourself the opportunity to examine this automatic association of victim, and how that association — and the identification of that within you — eliminates or severely limits your choices, and holds you bound in repetitive movements that reinforce your discounting of self, and therefore also reinforces your own association with the role of victim.

Incorporated into that association is also a very strong expression of personal responsibility for individuals or other expressions of consciousness outside of yourself.  You may find that it may be quite interesting, in your discovery and your exploration in this subject matter of victims, that this expression of personal responsibility is extremely closely related in its interplay with the role of victim.

FRAN:  Wow.  I’ll have to think about that one for a while.  I’ve never thought of myself as a victim, so apparently that’s something that I’ve been very effective at camouflaging.

ELIAS:  Let me express to you, many individuals are quite effective in their camouflage of this, and this be the reason that it is being expressed in so very many individuals in this type of extreme objective display and examples, for in more insidious expressions, it may be quite difficult for you to allow yourselves the identification of participating or associating with the role of victim, for many, many, many of you, yourself also, as you agree, have created a manner of viewing yourselves as NOT being a victim.

Objectively, you do not associate yourselves in this action, when in actuality, you are creating that role and that action quite often, much more than you allow yourselves to be objectively aware of, for you are not paying attention.  You are not noticing.

But the point of these waves in consciousness in this time framework is to generate a tremendous expression of energy that shall motivate each of you to be creating examples to yourselves of different aspects of each of these belief systems, quite efficiently offering yourselves each the opportunity to view and explore and examine all of these expressions of your beliefs and how they are influencing of you and how automatic your responses are to them, in which you require no thought and no objective concentration, in your terms, to be allowing their flow in influence, and how this movement is very affecting of your perception, which creates your reality.

This is a very important aspect of your movement, that you allow yourselves to be become aware of your automatic movements, your automatic responses in relation to your beliefs, for these are the actions that are tremendously limiting with you, and in which you disallow yourselves the expression of your abilities and the expression of the vastness and the freedom of your choices.

FRAN:  Well, that should jog me out of my complacency a little bit! (They both laugh)  You know, the problem is that when I do start noticing things and become a little bit more aware, it’s like just one more example or one more area which I can beat up on myself about, and I’m trying to work on that.

ELIAS:  Ah, yes, for this is not the point!  And let me express to you, it may be quite easily expressed within this time framework, for in addressing to the belief system of duplicity, there is much energy available to you to be moving in the direction of reinforcing the expressions of duplicity, one of which is to continue to be discounting of yourself or chastising of yourself.

But this is the point of allowing yourself to be noticing — the most powerful term and action — and identifying the beliefs and your behaviors and your associations THROUGH the action of noticing, for as you allow yourself to notice, you may also express to yourself the allowance to merely recognize; no other expression, merely be recognizing.

And I may say to you, in like manner to an expression I have offered recently with another individual, temporarily it may be beneficial to some individuals — that lean in this direction of discounting themselves more often than other individuals — to be incorporating an action at the moment of noticing in which you stop and express to yourself that you are in perfect movement in this now.

Now; understand, I am QUITE aware that you do not believe this, but it matters not.  It is unnecessary for you to believe this statement.  It is affecting regardless.

For in stopping, as you are noticing of different aspects of your behavior, your movement, your beliefs, rather than automatically incorporating the familiar action of chastising yourself or discounting yourself, as you incorporate the action in thought — and at times even in verbalization — of expressing to yourself that you are perfectly creating in this moment in the now, what you are accomplishing is altering your automatic response.

You are stopping and interrupting the automatic response, and offering yourself an expression of choice to be expressing a different response, regardless that you believe what you are expressing or not, and this interruption serves as a type of distraction of your energy into another avenue, and therefore is helpful and beneficial to you in NOT reinforcing the automatic expression of discounting yourself.  Are you understanding?

FRAN:  I am understanding, and I thank you very much.  I will start doing that, and I’ll report back to you!

ELIAS:  Ah! (Grinning)

FRAN:  But it’s incredible, the hundreds of very subtle ways we can discount ourselves.

ELIAS:  Quite!

FRAN:  It’s just constant and continuous.

ELIAS:  In like manner to the many, many, many ways that you assert yourselves in the role of victim without the recognition objectively, in your definitions, of that role.

FRAN:  Well, that’s certainly the truth, because this is the first time I’ve ever had to think to about that.  Like I said, I’ve never considered myself a victim. (Elias chuckles)  So, I’ve got a lot of thinking about that to do.  Anyway, it should be a very interesting exploration.

Let’s see.  I hardly even know where to start.  I guess I want to ask you about a couple of dreams.

ELIAS:  Very well.

FRAN:  One of them, which was kind of interesting, which I think is obviously ... it has to do with a focus.

It was one in which I was in Elizabethan England, and there are three of us, and I feel like I’m a woman with another woman and a man, and we are in some kind of danger and trying to escape, hiding out in an inn, like on the second floor of an inn, and trying several times to leave the area.  The name that came to me was Knoll or Knollys, K-N-O-L-L-Y-S.  Can you tell me if that’s my name or someone else’s name?

ELIAS:  You are correct in your translation of another focus.  The physical naming, you are also correct, and this is the identification of yourself.

FRAN:  Is there a connection here with Sir Francis Knollys?

ELIAS:  In relation to ... as relative.

FRAN:  A relative, okay.  Because this is an era, and I’ve talked to you about this before, that I am extremely interested in, and I went to the computer and pulled up that name, and came up with Sir Francis Knollys and a lot of his relatives, and I’d like to know a little bit more about this focus.  If you could give me just a little bit more information, possibly I can explore it a little bit more on my own.

ELIAS:  Ah!  You may be exploring in self in this particular expression of another focus of yourself.  You have already offered yourself much information.  Now you shall be allowing yourself to access information clearly with much more of an ease.

Once you have initiated the movement into an actual identification of a particular focus, it is, figuratively speaking, a type of penetration of a veil.  Once you have created the action of the penetration, the movement beyond the veil is accomplished with much more of an ease.  Therefore, I may express to you an encouragement to be exploring this focus.  You may offer yourself this information.

FRAN:  Okay.  One of the things that seems to be characteristic of how I do things is that I use my dreams to get this information.  I haven’t seemed to be able to access it in any other way.

ELIAS:  This is quite an effective manner in which you may be offering yourself information.

In your culture, in your society, you do not incorporate practices, generally speaking, of other manners in which you allow yourselves the type of relaxation that may be facilitating of movement easily through different areas of consciousness.  Your sleep state is a natural flow of energy in which you DO allow a relaxation in which you may be accessing other areas of consciousness.  Therefore, I am quite encouraging of you to be incorporating this manner to be investigating other focuses.

(Firmly)  Do not discount yourself, once again ...

FRAN:  Thank you!

ELIAS:  ... in the thought process that you are incorporating information through dream imagery, and therefore it is less valid, for it is not!

FRAN:  This brings up another thing that I have a habit of doing in the context of my dreams, and that is, if I need information, I get telephone calls from people. (Elias chuckles)  I think I’ve even spoken with you on the phone before!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha!

FRAN:  Another aspect of this same dream which I thought was kind of funny, and it doesn’t really require any comment from you, but as we were escaping London — I assume it’s London — and going out of town on horses, I look off to my side and see that some of the backdrops of ... it’s almost like it’s an Elizabethan stage, and some of the backdrops are kind of melting away or crumbling and peeling back, and I see through some of those veils, if you will, to what looks like a very futuristic, monorail way of moving people, and in my dream, I’m thinking that it’s very sloppy to allow us to glimpse these vehicles through the camouflage of an Elizabethan backdrop.

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha!  It is merely the incorporation of less separation.

FRAN:  Right.  I understand that, but I just have to throw a little bit of humor into my dream, I guess! (They both laugh)

Another one I had that was quite vivid recently, and I found it very interesting — my other phone is ringing, but I’m going to ignore it.

ELIAS:  Very well.

FRAN:  I’m sorry?

ELIAS:  Very well! (Chuckling)

FRAN:  Okay.  Anyway, I found myself — and I may very well have been out of body because it was very lucid.  I was in a park area, and it seemed like it was fairly public, a nice public park kind of setting that was quite formal, with kind of a curving path.

I looked forward up on the path, and there was a young woman standing on the path, and she was waving at me like she recognized me, and she looked vaguely familiar to me, and as I approached her, I said, “I’m not who you think I am, but I know who you think I am.”

In looking at her closer, she was extremely confused and disheveled, just sort of muttering incoherently about something, and normally I think I would respond to a homeless person like this with probably a little bit of fear, but I walked right up to her and looked at her very closely and said, “How are you really doing?”  She mumbled some more incoherent speech, and I knew she was just fine, so I went on.

Well, I also noticed that she was wearing very dirty clothes, but the blouse that she was wearing was like a mustard yellow, and recently, Anton had asked you about what my individual color was, and you had reported that it was mustard yellow, so my response after this dream was over was that I was clearly talking to myself.

ELIAS:  You are correct.

FRAN:  And it could have been on several levels.  It could have been a combination of responding to my own confusion, or secondly, that I have a focus that is actually a street person, or number three, it could be both of those things.

ELIAS:  You are correct in this interpretation also, that it is both, and beyond.

FRAN:  Well, it was very interesting! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles)  So, this is a focus that I have that is alive now, or is sharing the same time space?

ELIAS:  Slightly previous to now.

FRAN:  How many focuses do I have that are current in this particular time frame?

ELIAS:  Within this physical time frame, seven.

FRAN:  Seven, and are they spread out pretty much over the globe?

ELIAS:  Yes.

FRAN:  And have I made contact with any of these that I’m objectively aware of?

ELIAS:  No.

FRAN:  I’m sorry?

ELIAS:  No.

FRAN:  No.  So one of them might be ... is one of them the young, homeless woman?

ELIAS:  This in actuality is slightly previous, and what you may term to be an overlapping within time frameworks.

FRAN:  I see.  Yeah, I think I read something about that in one of the recent transcripts, where someone else had an experience like that with an overlapping focus.

ELIAS:  Yes.

FRAN:  Okay.  Just out of curiosity, how many focuses do I have in this physical dimension? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Within this physical dimension, total numbering, 1,214.

FRAN:  My god!  I guess I would be what you would call an old soul!

ELIAS:  In a manner of speaking.  Ha ha ha ha ha!

FRAN:  That’s incredible!  I’ve got a lot of work to do, don’t I?

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha!  Or, you may be viewing that you have already incorporated many, many, many experiences, which may motivate you to allow yourself permission to be more playful!

FRAN:  Thank you!  I could use a little bit more joy in my life!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha!

FRAN:  Well, as long as we’re on this, let me ask you about this.  I was recently going through Barnes & Noble, and I walked past the new books, and I looked, and there was one with a real bright blue cover that immediately drew my attention, and it was called “Bosie.”  Now, that would be a name that you would be familiar with.

ELIAS:  You are correct.

FRAN:  And I am very interested in that time of England and Great Britain and Ireland, and wondering if I also have a focus there.

ELIAS:  You are correct, although one that does not participate with that particular individual or group of individuals, but is privy to — through the social interactions — the antics of the individual of Wilde. (Chuckling)

FRAN:  Some years ago, I ran into an exhibit, quite by accident, of Aubrey Beardsley’s drawings, and I was so drawn to them.  It was the first time I realized I had any kind of a connection there, and I did a lot of reading about him and find a lot of interest in that area, so I’ll have to check that out and see if I can figure out who it is.

ELIAS:  Yes! (Chuckling)

FRAN:  I do have a couple more questions here for you.  One of them has to do with counterparts.

I have a very dear friend that I went to junior high and high school with, and have kept in contact with for 40-some years.  He and I are very similar, I think, in our need to explore and in our curiosity, but we have both taken different ways of expressing that.  He has specialized in science, and I have specialized in the arts.  Is this an example of counterpart activity?

ELIAS:  Yes.

FRAN:  So we are counterparts.

ELIAS:  Yes.

FRAN:  I have suspected that for a very long time....

ELIAS:  Which in actuality, you may recognize — if you are allowing yourself to pay attention — the objective influence in information that has been offered to each of you in this counterpart action, for although you each incorporate a physical direction in different interests, each of you also incorporates understandings of and information in relation to the other subject matter and direction, although you have not incorporated the objective seeking out of information concerning those expressions.  Are you understanding?

FRAN:  Yes, I am.  In a way, it seems to me, and we’ve both noticed this, but we sort of check back with each other intermittently with regard to, “What have you been doing?  What have you been thinking?”  Both of us are very interested in what the other person is doing, although I don’t have a clue what it is that he does professionally! (Laughing)

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha ha!

FRAN:  It’s far beyond me!  And in the same sense, he doesn’t have a clue about what I do in the arts.

ELIAS:  Ah, but this is what I am speaking of, for underlyingly you DO incorporate information through each other in relation to your respective chosen directions.  For you incorporate some aspect of the science, although you translate it objectively differently, but you allow for the flow of that information in the science and incorporate that into the formation of the art.  And in like manner, were he to be noticing and paying attention, there are many artistic expressions that he incorporates within the science.

FRAN:  Yes, and also, he’s always loved music, and music was the area that we overlapped. (Elias chuckles)  So, it’s not surprising to me that I dream about him frequently, and talk with him a lot in my dreams.

ELIAS:  Yes.

FRAN:  I’ve also assumed that we have many other focuses together.

ELIAS:  Yes, you are correct.

FRAN:  You know, I think I need to wrap this up because I don’t want to tax Mary too much, but I have one last question, and this one is for Anton.

ELIAS:  Very well!  And I may express to you the inquiry, how is my friend accomplishing?  I have been offering energy since our meeting! (Chuckling)

FRAN:  I haven’t talked to him for about two weeks, and he was having a real tough time, and just wanted you to comment on what it is that he’s going through right now.

ELIAS:  A tremendous expression, in like manner to many other individuals, of addressing to duplicity.

I may express to you that you may offer to him the suggestion from myself that he offer himself interaction with other individuals in sharing this experience that he is incorporating presently, in the confusion and also conflict.

For I may express to you that although I am quite encouraging of you all to be addressing to and recognizing your responsiveness to difference, I am not expressing to you in any manners at any time that your identification with sameness is negative or bad, and I may express to you that you do allow yourselves an incorporation of validation and comfort in the expression of sameness.

And in this, he may be offering himself more of an understanding of his participation in this wave in consciousness addressing to this particular belief system of duplicity — which is extremely challenging — if he is allowing himself more of an interaction with other individuals, for many, many, many individuals are creating and experiencing many similar expressions.

This wave, as I have stated to you this day, presently is creating much stir with individuals in the recognition of your roles and association with victims, in yourselves and in other individuals.  This is an enormously strong aspect of this belief system!

FRAN:  So this would be something that Anton and I should continue to talk to each other about.  Is that what you’re saying?

ELIAS:  Yes, I am quite encouraging of you in this expression, and you may incorporate other individuals also.

FRAN:  Yes, we used to.  The reason I met him is that we were in a Seth discussion group, and there was an immediate response between the two of us, and we had talked about continuing the same kind of thing, so I will pass this on to him, and your encouragement for us to do that.

ELIAS:  You are quite welcome in this expression, and I may express to you also that you may be incorporating interaction with Michael or with Lawrence in this expression also, and you may view some element of helpfulness in that interaction.

FRAN:  Thank you very much.  I have really appreciated this, and I want to thank you once again, for myself and for everybody else.  The information on both the family groups and on orientations has been so helpful in trying to get past some of the judgments, and I want to thank you very much.

ELIAS:  You are very welcome, my friend!  I am encouraging of you in your continuation of your journey as a traveler through this physical dimension. (Chuckling)  I shall continue to be interactive with you, and to you and also your friend, I may express my offering of energy to you both.

FRAN:  Thank you so much.

ELIAS:  In this, I express tremendous affection to you, and anticipate our continued interaction.

FRAN:  Thank you, Elias, and the same back to you.

ELIAS:  You are very welcome, my friend.  To you in great lovingness, au revoir.

FRAN:  Thank you.  Au revoir.

Elias departs at 3:32 PM.

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