Sunday, August 27, 2000
© 2001 (Private/Phone)
Participants:  Mary (Michael), Katie (Muriel), and Elizabeth (Dikto).  (Elizabeth is Katie’s daughter, and is 13 years old.)
Elias arrives at 11:50 a.m. (Arrival time is 16 seconds)

ELIAS:  Good morning!

KATIE:  Good morning!

ELIZABETH:  Good morning!

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  Ah!  We shall interact with you both this morning! (Katie and Elizabeth giggle)

KATIE:  Yes.  I’m gonna let Elizabeth go first, though.

ELIZABETH:  Yes.

ELIAS:  Very well.

ELIZABETH:  Okay, do I ask a question now?

ELIAS:  You may.

ELIZABETH:  Okay.  The first question is, are vampires, monsters, and ghosts real, or are they just figments of the imagination?

ELIAS:  In response to your question, quite simply, yes, these are all real manifestations.  But let me also qualify to you that they may not all be manifest or focused in your reality.

ELIZABETH:  Hmm.

ELIAS:  For instance, what you identify as ghosts are quite real.  These are essences, but they are not manifest within your physical reality.  They occupy their attention within different areas of consciousness.

What you identify as monsters may be configurations or beings in energy that may be manifest within another physical reality in another dimension.  Or, they may also be other focuses of you, of your essence, as what you term to be extraterrestrials.  They may be focused within another physical dimension, not within your physical dimension.

As to the identification of vampires, yes, these are also real, but not manifest within your physical dimension.

Let me explain to you, all that you think of as imagination, in a manner of speaking, stems from different expressions of realities that you KNOW within you.  This is not to say that all of these realities may be physically inserted into your physical dimension, but they are no less real.

ELIZABETH:  Cool! (Elias chuckles)  My second question is, are there still civilizations from long ago that we haven’t discovered yet?

ELIAS:  Civilizations that are physically active and manifest? (Pause, with no audible response)  Yes.  You are inquiring as to specific cultures of peoples that are manifest — are physically focused within your dimension presently — but you are unaware of them yet, correct?

ELIZABETH:  Yes.

ELIAS:  Yes. (Chuckling)

ELIZABETH:  Okay.  My third question is, do I have any interactions with any of my other focuses in different dimensions?

ELIAS:  Now; I shall ask you, what is your impression in response to this question?

ELIZABETH:  More than likely.

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  And what is your experience?

ELIZABETH:  Well, sometimes I think that I’m talking to this guy named Uncle Bob, who I first started hearing inside my head, or to extraterrestrials.

ELIAS:  And you are correct.

ELIZABETH:  Oh, cool!

ELIAS:  And this is not imagination, not in the definition that you identify.  This is reality.

KATIE:  How about that, Elizabeth?  Uncle Bob is real!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha ha!

ELIZABETH:  Oh boy! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles)  Pretty weird!  Okay, I don’t really have any other questions.

ELIAS:  Very well.  And you may continue to be interactive with your Uncle Bob, and you may be offering yourself some interesting ideas as you are listening to what he may offer to you! (Chuckling)

ELIZABETH:  Cool!

KATIE:  Okay, I guess it’s my turn then.

ELIAS:  Very well.

ELIZABETH:  I gotta go now.

ELIAS:  Very well.  I express to you, my little friend, au revoir!

ELIZABETH:  Okay.  Bye-bye.

KATIE:  Okay, Elias.  I’ve had a dream that’s been puzzling me ever since I had it.  Three times in the same night, I dreamt that I woke up and I looked at my clock, and each time, it said 3:33.  It was so incredibly vivid that I have to believe it has some significance.

ELIAS:  Now express to me, what is your impression concerning this dream imagery?

KATIE:  Well, that’s just it.  I didn’t really have any impressions.  I’ve asked some numerologists what it might mean.  They just talked about the number three; it being the most stable of structures, like a three-legged stool.

ELIAS:  Now express to me also your identification of your uncomfortableness in association with this dream imagery. (Pause)

KATIE:  Hmm.  Well, I think the only thing I’ve identified is that I want to understand it, and that I don’t.

ELIAS:  Now; let me express to you, I am offering these inquiries purposefully, for as we interact, I shall be prompting you, in your very physical terms, to be working at this action. (Chuckling)

In this, I am interacting with you in a manner in which you may allow yourself to practice recognizing your identifications and your impressions.

You have been offered information in relation to numerology, and you also are not associating your own dream imagery in conjunction with the information that you have been offered, for there is some element of this dream imagery that is creating what you identify as a disturbance or a disturbing feeling.  Therefore, this does not move in harmony with information of stabilization, correct?

KATIE:  Um-hmm.

ELIAS:  In this, within your thought process, you are expressing to yourself that there appears to you to be an inconsistency.

KATIE:  Um-hmm.

ELIAS:  Therefore, first of all, acknowledge yourself that you are identifying some aspects of this dream imagery within yourself.  You are recognizing that general responses in association with symbology such as numerology is not quite adequate as an explanation within this dream imagery, for your feeling and your sense associated with this dream imagery is inconsistent with the explanation.

KATIE:  Um-hmm.

ELIAS:  Very well.

Now; in exploration of your feeling associated with your imagery, identify, what is the disturbing element in relation to this imagery?  May you identify objectively what the trigger of the feeling is in association with the dream imagery? (Pause)

KATIE:  (Sighing)  This was like a month ago, and I don’t really remember.  I just remember, when I woke up, I felt it was something important.

ELIAS:  Very well.

KATIE:  But that was all.

ELIAS:  I shall express to you that your choice of imagery in association with the number is significant, for you are creating imagery, offering yourself information.

Now; be remembering, your movement subjectively occurs in harmony with your objective movement.  Therefore, what you are creating objectively in a direction, so to speak, in your desire to be addressing to certain expressions or choosing a particular direction of movement, shall be also expressed subjectively.

Therefore, you create action subjectively, as you also create action objectively, and within your dream activity, you create a translation of the subjective actions into imagery that you may associate objectively.

Now; in this, within your objective movement, you have been addressing to self and attempting to be creating a direction of less of an expression of separation.  This is familiar to you, is it not?

KATIE:  Um-hmm.

ELIAS:  Very well.  In this movement that you are creating, in widening your awareness and allowing yourself to be identifying and recognizing more of your own expressions and automatic responses, you are familiarizing yourself with you.  This is a process, so to speak, of widening your awareness which you are engaging, and in that action, your desire is to be lessening the expression of separation.

Now; we are not speaking of separation of yourself from outside expressions, but the separations that are exhibited WITHIN self, in association with your own beliefs and your own movements.

Therefore, your subjective movement shall be created in harmony with this objective movement.

In this, what is occurring within the dream imagery is an actual communication of the subjective awareness, in a manner of speaking, as an expression of validation.

Let us hypothetically momentarily create an identification of separation, and express that you are two individuals — one subjective, one objective — but you are drawing together.  Therefore, as the objective expresses, “I hold the desire to be moving in this particular direction, creating less separation within myself,” the objective expresses this outwardly in its action and imagery, and the subjective echoes and expresses, “Yes, I am creating this movement also.  My action is exhibited differently than your action, but we are creating the same expression.”

Now; as the subjective moves, it offers information to the objective in its alliance with the objective.  Therefore, it creates movement, and the objective translates that movement and those actions and creates the dream imagery.

What your subjective awareness is offering to you in this particular dream imagery is an identification.  It is expressing to you, “Yes, I am understanding of your desire of movement in creating less separation.  I am offering to you the identification of one aspect of separation that you may be recognizing and therefore attending to,” so to speak.  The 3 is your symbolization and translation, into objective imagery, of what is being communicated.

Now; understanding this, attempt momentarily with me now to identify what the three aspects of expression within you are — that are being expressed by the subjective awareness to the objective awareness — that may be addressed to, to be creating less separation in merging them together.  What is your attempt in your identification of these three aspects of you?

KATIE:  Hmm. (Pause)  I really don’t know.

ELIAS:  Very well.  The three aspects of you that are held in an expression of separation, and that the subjective awareness is offering as a communication to you to be recognizing — as a “help” that you may be creating this mergence — is your identification of emotion, intellect, and spirituality.

KATIE:  Okay.

ELIAS:  Within your objective awareness, there is created a separation of these three aspects of you.  Your objective awareness views these as three very different, very separate types of expressions.  Therefore, you address to them individually and you identify them individually, and you are not allowing yourself to be defining them entirely in association with a lack of separation, for you view them as three separate entities, in a manner of speaking.

The subjective awareness is offering you a communication that these are not three separate entities, and therefore, in allowing yourself that identification, you may allow yourself movement objectively in the direction of turning your perception and moving into a mergence of these expressions and creating a balance.  Are you understanding thus far?

KATIE:  Yes.

ELIAS:  Therefore, as you recognize that the term of “spirituality” may be synonymous with “you” — rather than an identification of specific actions or philosophies or directions, it is merely the generalization of your expressions in their entirety, which may also be expressed in the term of “you” — you may allow yourself less of a separation as you create a thought process or any movement in association with the word of spirituality.

As to emotion and intellect, these are not separated either, for they are not merely expressions that you create.  They are created by you as the creator, but you are also them as the creations.  You are both.  You are the creator and you are the creations.  Therefore, the emotions and the intellect are you also.  They are not merely outward expressions of you.  Are you understanding?

KATIE:  Um-hmm.

ELIAS:  This is what is being communicated in this dream imagery.  The reason that you awake with the sense that there is some communication being expressed in importance now may be obvious.

KATIE:  Oh, I should say so!

ELIAS:  The reason that you awake with the feeling of some aspect of uncomfortableness in association with this imagery is that there also — in the expression of separation and familiarity — is an underlying identification that the mergence of these expressions or these aspects of yourself may be challenging or difficult.

And I shall express to you, there is an immediate action that occurs in that identification.  Immediately, as you identify, even without thought ... for you may be knowing and identifying of aspects of yourself and your expressions and your beliefs without thought.  And in this, as you identify any expression that you associate with difficulty and challenge, there is an immediately response that is created within you of discounting of self.

KATIE:  Yeah, pretty much!

ELIAS:  This is what manifests in the uncomfortable feeling. (Pause)

KATIE:  Okay.

ELIAS:  For as you create the translation of the subjective activity — which is the dream — you also are engaging your objective awareness and participation, which automatically activates all of your associations — in strength — of your belief systems.

Now; let me express to you in clarity.  Your belief systems are held within your subjective awareness also, but they are held in a more relaxed manner.  They are more supple and bendable within your subjective awareness than they may be expressed within your objective awareness.  The objective holds much more rigidly.

Therefore, once you have created the translation, and you create actual imagery — which is the aspect that you awake with, the identification of the dream — you have also activated all of your beliefs in association with the imagery that you have created.  Are you understanding?

KATIE:  I think so.

ELIAS:  This requires no thought process.  It is an automatic action, and this is the point of why I continue to be interactive with all of you in offering you information — that you may become more familiar with yourselves and all of the intricacies of yourselves, that you may begin to view objectively all of these automatic actions that you create that are not requiring of a thought process.

Thought is merely one construct of your reality that you engage as a means of communication with yourself or with other individuals. (Pause)

KATIE:  Okay.

ELIAS:  You engage many more actions than merely thought to be offering yourself — and even other individuals — communication. (Pause)

KATIE:  Okay.

ELIAS:  Therefore, I may express to you, you are offering yourself an opportunity to become familiar with other aspects of yourself, other movements that you create, and other abilities that you hold beyond merely thought. (Pause)

KATIE:  Okay. (Pause)  Not long after I had that dream, I had a waking vision as I was on my way to church for the first time in a year-and-a-half.  Previously when I was attending, I’d had plans of becoming a minister, and had trained extensively up to that point.  But when I had attended before, I could never really see myself as a minister.  I knew I was too discounting of self.  I knew I couldn’t handle it — I couldn’t get up in front of people and be comfortable with it.  But on the way there, I had this vision of myself as the minister of the Science of Mind Church, in complete comfort and ease with it, and not discounting of myself at all.  I’m wondering, was I viewing a possible future probability, or was this just imagery?

ELIAS:  Now; I shall express to you, in response to your question, in potentiality, it is both.

In this, it is an offering to you, within you, in a recognition of your movement.  You are offering to yourself a validation of your movement, and how you are allowing yourself what you may term to be a fuller expression of self in movement into a trust of your abilities, and in acknowledgment of movement into an acceptance of self.

As to the identification of an actual future probability as you have expressed, this is your choice.  You may be creating that action if you are so choosing, but I shall also express to you, more to the point is the acknowledgment that you have offered to yourself in creating less limitations.

Therefore, you express to yourself, “If I am so choosing, I may be accomplishing this now, or I may be expressing in a different manner.  But I have created unlocking and opening the door for my own expression of emergence,” which what you are offering to yourself is the recognition of your own freedom.

KATIE:  Okay, that’s pretty cool! (Elias chuckles)  It’s strange, though, because it doesn’t feel like I’ve been moving at all.  If anything, it feels like I’ve been going backwards.

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  And I shall express to you, many individuals may be associating in this manner presently, in association with this wave in consciousness that you are all engaging in association with duplicity.  But fear not — you ARE creating movement, and you are also providing yourself objectively with validation.  It is merely a question of whether you shall NOTICE the validation that you are offering to yourself in relation to your movement.

Let me express to you, my friend, these are unfamiliar movements.  They are unfamiliar associations within your physical reality presently.  Therefore, it is quite acceptable that you momentarily seek confirmation and validation from myself or from other individuals in association with your own movement.

This is not to be discounted either, for this is not the exhibition of a lack of trust of self, that you seek this validation.  It is an expression in that you are creating your attempt to BE trusting of self, and you are merely seeking confirmation, which allows you a reinforcement, and in that reinforcement, you allow yourself permission to continue to reinforce yourself. (Chuckling)

KATIE:  Okay.  I just wonder why I have to make everything so hard on myself.

ELIAS:  Ah!  For this is what you do! (Laughing)  And I may express to you in encouragement — as you all do seek out sameness for your expression of comfort and validation — that you are in good company with many, many, many other individuals that also complicate — ha ha ha ha! — within their realities, for this is what you DO within this physical dimension! (Chuckling)

Let me express to you, this also is not wrong.  There are many aspects of your reality that may be expressed more simply, but it matters not.  It is your choice of how you move within this physical reality.  It is an exploration.  If you choose to be complicating your reality to extremes, it matters not.  This is your choice, and it is not wrong and it is not bad ... and it is not better to be creating more simply!  They are merely different types of expressions.  I offer information to you in association with your individual concerns associated with conflict.

Now; as you move more objectively in association with this shift in consciousness — as you insert it into your objective reality — let me express to you, you may be choosing temporarily to be simplifying certain aspects of your reality.  And as you move more fully into the expression of this shift, you may alter that choice, and you may choose to be once again complicating your expressions and your explorations, for this may be the type of movement that offers you the type of challenge that you seek.

But the difference which shall be expressed in that movement is that you shall no longer be expressing a judgment upon your choice, expressing to yourself that complicating is bad and that simplifying is better.  You shall recognize that each of these actions is merely a choice, and it matters not.

KATIE:  But why do I keep choosing to complicate?  It’s not what I want.

ELIAS:  Is it not?  This is an interesting expression that many of you within physical focus exhibit.  You create a specific movement and expression, and you also simultaneously express, within words and within your thoughts, that you do not wish to be creating that type of expression.  And I say to you in genuineness, if you were not wishing to be expressing in a particular manner, you would not be, and that may be expressed quite simply.

You express to yourself that you wish not to be creating in a particular manner, for you may be experiencing uncomfortableness or conflict, and you wish not to be experiencing the uncomfortableness or the conflict.  This is not to say that you do not wish to be moving in the direction that you are moving, or that you do not wish to be creating the actual actions that you are creating.  What you wish not to be continuing is the conflict with what you are creating, or the feeling of uncomfortableness.

And in this, I may say to you that as you become more familiar with yourself, you may not be experiencing this discomfort in what you are creating, for as you familiarize yourself with yourself, you also offer yourself the opportunity to allow yourself to be accepting of what you are creating.

I shall also express to you, as I have previously, as you continue to create judgments in a lack of acceptance of what you are expressing or what you are creating, but you continue to move in a direction of your desire in wanting to be familiar with yourself, you continue to be perpetuating the conflict.

What is being expressed in actuality are two conflicting directions simultaneously.  You wish to be familiarizing yourself with self.  You wish to be moving in harmony with this shift in consciousness.  You wish to be widening your awareness.  And in that, you create objective opportunities to be actualizing those very expressions, and simultaneously, you are experiencing uncomfortableness, for these are unfamiliar actions.  Therefore, you are expressing within yourself, “Yes, I wish to be moving in this direction.  No, I wish NOT to be moving in this direction.”  And as you create both of those expressions simultaneously, you create objectively discomfort and conflict.

This be the reason that I continue to be redirecting your attention to self and acceptance and not the perpetuation of judgment, for as you continue to perpetuate the judgment, you also continue to perpetuate the uncomfortableness and the conflict.

KATIE:  Okay.  So basically, the real conflict is my judgment of my choices.

ELIAS:  Yes.

KATIE:  Okay ... and not the choices themselves.

ELIAS:  Correct!  One point! (Chuckling)  It is the perception which matters.  The choices themselves — the objective actions and creations — matter not.  These are quite easily changeable.

KATIE:  Okay.  Well, I get that.

ELIAS:  They are alterable from moment to moment.

KATIE:  Well, I’ll tell you what, things have turned around very recently in one area, and it seems to be bleeding through over into other areas, and that’s with putting together this gathering, which you’re going to be coming to!

ELIAS:  (Laughing)  And am already participating within!

KATIE:  I had a feeling you were! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles)  I had a feeling you had a hand in this.

ELIAS:  (Laughing)  Although do not be discounting of YOUR input and YOUR energy, which is moving within this action and orchestrating it also.

KATIE:  And everyone else’s as well!

ELIAS:  Quite! (Chuckling)

KATIE:  Okay.  I also wanted to ... well, I have an impression that I’m emotionally focused.  Is this accurate?

ELIAS:  Yes, you are correct.

KATIE:  Okay, and I want to ask about these tiny little spots that I see all the time.  I’ve read in other people’s sessions where they’ve talked about tiny little spots, but I don’t know if they’re the same kind of tiny little spots.  But I most often see them when I’m out in the sunlight, and they’re all around me, every direction I look, and they float around and swim around like little amoebas.

ELIAS:  Yes.

KATIE:  They’re little bright spots of light.

ELIAS:  Yes, you are correct.

KATIE:  And these are other essences?

ELIAS:  No.  This is an incorporation of YOUR essence, of you allowing a bleed-through of other aspects of you, other-dimensional focuses.  I have offered explanation concerning this action previously, and in this, I shall explain to you briefly that what you are engaging is an allowance to be viewing your reality within your physical dimension through the visual function of another physical reality.

KATIE:  Oh, wow.  So this is what THEY see.

ELIAS:  In part, yes.  The visual that incorporates the distortion of your vision is the manner in which they view your reality.

KATIE:  Okay.  They do view our reality, then.

ELIAS:  At times.

KATIE:  Okay.  My daughter sees these too.

ELIAS:  This also is incorporated within this shift.

As you widen your awareness, you also open yourself, so to speak, objectively to more of yourself, and therefore, you allow yourself less separation in association with other aspects of yourself — other focuses within other physical dimensions, other aspects of yourself within nonphysical areas of consciousness — and this may in actuality bleed through into your objective experience, in similar manner to your allowance of other physical focuses within this dimension in different time frameworks to be bleeding through into your objective awareness presently.

KATIE:  Wow.  Well, I’ve been seeing these spots for like seven or eight years.

ELIAS:  Quite, and I shall express....

KATIE:  I’ve gone to doctors about it.  They didn’t know what it was!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha!  And I shall express to you that this shift in consciousness has been in motion for what you term to be little more than one hundred of your years!

Therefore, throughout the incorporation of your physical focus, your manifestation, you have been participating in different manners in association with this shift in consciousness.

KATIE:  Okay.  I just want to ask a couple of quick questions about chapter focuses.

ELIAS:  Very well.

KATIE:  Was your Oscar Wilde focus another chapter focus of this same book that includes the French Revolution one and this one? (Pause)

ELIAS:  No.

KATIE:  No, it wasn’t.  Hmm!  Okay.  How many chapters are there in that particular book, just out of curiosity? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Six.

KATIE:  Okay, and I’m assuming there are lots and lots of these kinds of books that I may be involved in.  Would that be accurate? (Pause)

ELIAS:  In a manner of speaking, yes.

KATIE:  Okay.

ELIAS:  It is quite common, as an action of essence in association with physical dimensions, to be creating manifestations in this manner.

KATIE:  Okay, so probably a lot of my focuses have been within chapter focuses of various books?

ELIAS:  Yes.

KATIE:  Okay.  Also, I have an impression that I haven’t really had any particular preference towards gender in my focuses.  It seems to be an even split between male and female.

ELIAS:  Yes, you are correct.

KATIE:  Okay.  Also, I have an impression that I like to go for a very broad range of experiences, manifesting in lots of different cultures and time periods and kinds of experiences within those.

ELIAS:  Yes.

KATIE:  Okay, cool! (Elias chuckles)  I guess that’s probably about it then, and it’s about time to conclude.

ELIAS:  Very well.  Allow yourself to be practicing with what we have been discussing this day, and in this, you may also be experiencing more of a freedom within your movement, and more of an ease.  And I shall continue to be interactive with you, and I shall continue in my offering of energy to you.

KATIE:  Oh, great! (Elias chuckles)  And I will see you in October!

ELIAS:  Quite, and we shall engage objectively in physical proximity!

KATIE:  Oh, and that shall be a delight!  Can I give you a hug?

ELIAS:  If you are so choosing!

KATIE:  Oh, I know I will be!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha ha! (Katie laughs and Elias chuckles)

Very well, my friend.  I extend to you tremendous affection, and I anticipate our physical interaction futurely.  To you this day, and to the small one, au revoir.

KATIE:  Au revoir, my friend.

Elias departs at 12:50 p.m.

© 2001  Vicki Pendley/Mary Ennis, All Rights Reserved

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