Orientations/Interaction
Topics:
“Orientations/Interaction”
“Tension/Lack of Clarity”
“Relationships/Intimacy”
Monday, July 31, 2000-1
© 2001 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Joseph (Dainel).
Elias arrives at 9:33 a.m. (Arrival time is 21 seconds)
ELIAS: Good morning!
JOSEPH: Good morning, Elias! Mary and I had a long conversation
just before you came on the scene, and in trying to extricate myself from
that conversation, I jokingly remarked, “Do you suppose Elias is fidgeting
in the waiting room?”
ELIAS: Ha ha ha!
JOSEPH: Speaking of jokes, I’m going to attempt another one.
Shall we call the Elias sessions “The Ennis Book of Records”? I mean,
who else would go into a trance and produce such a record?
ELIAS: (Laughing) Although you may surprise yourselves,
and other individuals may be those that keep accounts of this phenomenon
more so than Michael! Ha ha!
JOSEPH: Do you have any hints in regard to this that I can pursue?
ELIAS: I express to you, Dainel, pursue YOUR joyfulness and your
desire!
JOSEPH: That’s a good enough answer. I have some questions
for George, to start out with.
ELIAS: Very well.
JOSEPH: Last time, we talked about his dear old pooch that had
just disengaged, and George wants to know if Emma has remanifest yet.
ELIAS: No.
JOSEPH: Okay, thank you. Now, the next question George has
is about Jeff. He’s very weak, and in a previous session you had
with George, you said that the main probability or the strongest probability
was that he was not making the choice to alter the situation at the time,
but possibly in the future. George wants you to be more specific
and clarify just what you meant, in that Jeff created this stroke to not
participate in the officially accepted reality.
In other words, to confirm George’s impression that Jeff chose the stroke
to be free of the obligations of teaching, in that he isn’t able to receive
his regular pay and extended sick leave. (Pause)
ELIAS: You may confirm the impression that has been offered, in
that this individual has created a choice to be disengaging from activities
viewed as obligation, and allow himself movement in a different direction,
and continues presently to be engaging this choice.
JOSEPH: Okay, thank you. In my last session with you, I
also asked you if you would please give me the time of birth of a certain
focus of mine, a contemporary of Martin Luther of Reformation fame, and
you suggested that I might try to get it on my own, and shortly after our
conversation, the time 10:45 a.m. popped into my head, along with the city
of Verona, Italy. Then I discovered that the rectified birth time
was accessible to me; it was 11:22 a.m. However, I trust myself more
than I trust other astrologers. Furthermore, astrologers give Rome
as the location of birth, and the Encyclopedia Brittanica gives Caprese,
Italy as the location of birth.
So, my two questions for you are, first, is 10:45 a.m. correct?
And second, is Rome correct? (Pause)
ELIAS: As to your first question regarding your impression of
time, your assessment of time is close. You may adjust the minute
number to 47.
JOSEPH: Oh wow! Fabulous!
ELIAS: And to your second question in relation to birthplace,
your second identification is correct.
JOSEPH: Caprese, Italy?
ELIAS: Yes.
JOSEPH: Okay. Very good. Okay, another thing I want
to know is, am I thought focused or emotionally focused or some other focus?
(Pause)
ELIAS: You have manifest in the design of emotional focus.
JOSEPH: That’s why I have trouble responding to some people, ‘cause
I emote rather than think, right? Is that correct?
ELIAS: This is the manner in which you receive information, and
in this, in your physical terms, it also is quite influencing of your responses.
It is, in a manner of speaking, the manner in which you process information.
JOSEPH: Okay, okay. I understand. Is George thought
focused or emotionally focused? I would say thought focused.
Am I correct? (Pause)
ELIAS: No.
JOSEPH: He’s emotionally focused too?
ELIAS: Yes.
JOSEPH: Wow! Okay. I want to ask you about the orientations
of quite a number of people that I either know presently or have been involved
with in the past. You would know these, right?
ELIAS: Correct.
JOSEPH: First, Bernie. I would say she’s common. (Short
pause)
ELIAS: Correct.
JOSEPH: I would say that my friend Bob might be intermediate.
ELIAS: Now; express to me what you identify as qualities, that
you “guess” this individual to be intermediate.
JOSEPH: He is very solitary. He doesn’t seem to deal objectively.
(Elias chuckles) There’s a possibility that he might be just totally
opposite to soft, ‘cause sometimes that’s deceptive, the way a person responds,
but I don’t think he seems that responsive to individuals, or needs individuals
that much.
ELIAS: Now; I shall express to you, your identification of soft
is correct. (Pause)
JOSEPH: Oh, so he IS soft. Okay, thank you.
I would like to know about my parents and siblings. I would say
that my mom and dad were mismatched. I had the impression that Dad
would be soft and Mom would be common. I think Dad is soft because,
well, there’s a lot of things. Dad was such an emotional person for
a man, even though he didn’t cry. He just got mad all the time.
The other thing, which is more important, is that he had the strongest
need for interaction with people. Any time he would get a chance
to interact, he would, like he would go out on business in town, or some
excuse or other, so he could be talking to people. It seems like
that’s a soft trait to me, but I don’t know.
ELIAS: I shall express to you, both of your parents hold the orientation
of common.
JOSEPH: Both my parents are common?
ELIAS: Yes.
JOSEPH: Oh boy! I have some things to learn then, Elias!
Okay, now just answer yes or no. Are all my siblings one orientation?
(Pause) That’s not too general, is it?
ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.
JOSEPH: They are all one orientation?
ELIAS: Yes.
JOSEPH: So they’re all common, huh?
ELIAS: Yes.
JOSEPH: So I’m the only soft one in the whole family! Wow!
No wonder I always felt so left out! (Elias chuckles) Woe is me!
I thought maybe Tom or possibly Jim might be something different.
So the next question is, I wonder why my brother Jim has such a ...
well, why his social problems are so severe, or seem so severe to me.
His sensitivity seems so great.
ELIAS: What is the nature of your concern?
JOSEPH: I think we better just skip this. I don’t think
it’s that important. I want to get on to other things. I might
define that question a little better in a future session, because I don’t
have the answer very well formulated in my mind.
ELIAS: Very well.
JOSEPH: So, let me go on to another question. My friend
Curtis that I lived with in ‘92, what is his orientation? (Short pause)
ELIAS: Common.
JOSEPH: Okay. What about Sonny Boy, the man I lived with
at the same time who is now deceased? (Short pause)
ELIAS: Soft.
JOSEPH: He was soft? Wow! What about Lee? Now,
you mentioned that these are people I get along with, and I got along better
with Sonny Boy than anyone else, and Lee is another person I got along
extremely well with, living with. I wonder if Lee might be soft too?
ELIAS: No. This individual, common.
JOSEPH: Lee is common. Hmm. Well, it’s a mystery to
me why I got along so well living with Lee. I didn’t have any trouble.
The only problem I had with Lee was the financial thing.
I wonder if the preacher at the church where I play might be soft.
His name ... I’m trying to think of his name. Do you know who I’m
talking about? Oh, Randall is his name.
ELIAS: Common.
JOSEPH: Common, alright. Bernie’s mom Loretta, she’s common
too, I presume. (Short pause)
ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.
JOSEPH: Okay. I’m wondering about my efforts to try to
develop self-approval and self-acceptance, my progression in that regard.
But more specifically, I’m wondering what else I can do besides the things
I’ve been trying. You know that I give myself affirmations that I
approve of and accept myself, and I make note of times when I’m not, and
a lot of times I think I’ve turned the direction of my mind away from thinking
things that would be self-disapproving, or discounting rather.
One thing I’ve noticed is more and more guilt and lack of self-acceptance.
It keeps coming up constantly. I would say I’m very, very bad! (Laughing,
and Elias grins) I refuse to live like a nun, scrupulously following
the rules that have been put before me, and confessing my sins when I don’t.
But the facts are, I deal with a lot of guilt, which is something I’ve
started to really notice.
Is there a more effective way to resolve the guilt than what I’ve been
doing? As you know, I tell myself that I approve of my actions and
that I choose not to align with mass beliefs in duplicity, and I tell myself
that I’m a wondrous, glorious being and that I’m not bad or guilty of anything.
Do you have any comments to make on that?
ELIAS: I shall express to you, Dainel, you ARE participating in
this wave in consciousness presently, addressing to the belief system of
duplicity. Therefore, aspects of this belief system are emphasized
or may appear at times to be objectively exaggerated, in a manner of speaking,
that you may allow yourself to view many different aspects of the expressions
of duplicity.
At times, this also brings surfacely elements that you hold within self,
such as guilt, or doubt in many areas of your own movement or your own
abilities, so to speak.
Now; in this, I may express to you that you may allow yourself to practice
[this] also. In the moments that you are experiencing this rise or
the noticing within you of guilt, or a tremendous discounting of yourself
in being not good enough yet, in your terms, you may turn your attention
temporarily and allow yourself to view yourself as another individual.
JOSEPH: View myself as another individual — that’s intriguing!
I’ll have to check that out.
ELIAS: In this action, temporarily, as you project your attention
and allow yourself to view that expression of guilt as though it were being
expressed by another individual, you may allow yourself much more of an
expression of acceptance.
And in this, as you notice the acceptance, in part, that you may be
willing to engage in association with other individuals, you may also subsequently
turn this recognition to self, and afford yourself the same expression
of compassion and acceptance that you may offer to another individual.
This may offer you temporarily an efficient method, so to speak, to
be practicing in the movement of acceptance, not merely in the offering
of affirmations to yourself. I have expressed to you previously to
be engaging in affirmations as an initial step, which you have engaged
and has been effective to a point.
Now you may engage a different type of step, so to speak, that may be
more interactive with self, by projecting an aspect of yourself, figuratively
speaking, before you, and allowing yourself to view yourself as another
individual, and view the types of responses that you may offer to that
individual that you do not necessarily offer to yourself.
JOSEPH: Okay, Elias. Thank you for that.
ELIAS: You are quite welcome.
JOSEPH: I want to go back to my questions about the orientations
of different people. I’m wondering if a question I want to ask is
too general or vague for you to answer. The question is, I work around
a lot of people. It’s very large, and I couldn’t ask about everybody
there. I mainly want to know if it’s possible for you to tell me
if certain individuals I’m close to are either intermediate or soft.
I can’t be specific; I just wonder if it’s possible for you to.
ELIAS: I shall express to you, for the most part, the individuals
that you interact with within your employ hold the orientation of common....
JOSEPH: Yes, I would guess that. I’m sure of that, but I’m
just wondering if one or two of them might be soft or intermediate, and
I’m just wondering if you could tell me which ones, of the ones I’m fairly
close to; I mean close in terms of how much I relate to them or deal with
them.
ELIAS: I may express to you, you do not interact with individuals
in an ongoing manner that hold the orientation of intermediate.
As to the orientation of soft, I shall present to you the challenge.
Yes, you do interact with one individual that also holds the orientation
of soft. This shall present to you an exercise which may be beneficial
to you....
JOSEPH: You know who comes to my mind as you say that? Thomas.
Is my impression correct — the black sales leader?
ELIAS: Yes.
JOSEPH: Oh, I got it right away, huh?
ELIAS: Yes.
JOSEPH: Well, good for me! I’m patting myself on the back!
ELIAS: Ha ha ha!
JOSEPH: Okay! So that’s the only one that I interact very
much with in my employ. There’s no other one, right?
ELIAS: No.
JOSEPH: Just from a distance. Okay. Well, that’s great!
That answers my question very well and thoroughly. Thank you.
In the last session, you confirmed that Curtis has a focus in the American
slavery era as a female Afro-American slave, and I was a male slave.
We had an intimate relationship, and we were separated, and the female
slave was sold. I’m wondering about the separation. I have
a notion that she was sold because she caused a lot of trouble with the
authorities, and she was later in a secret network where all the slaves
escaped to Canada, or some other snarled situation along those lines.
ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.
JOSEPH: Okay, that’s all I need to know. Thank you very
much.
ELIAS: You are quite welcome.
JOSEPH: I became very drawn to Afro-Americans about two decades
ago, and I know this is tied in with a relationship I had, where I met
a young Afro-American man who had very, very strong sex with me.
But then I had a horrible experience when we parted, and I ended up in
the hospital with a broken nose. I didn’t want to have bad feelings
about him, so what I did is, I tried to replace him in meditations with
someone who loved me and wouldn’t hurt or injure me.
Well, I’m wondering if ... in this meditation, what appeared in my mind
was an extremely strong, attractive Afro-American, along with just the
fact that he was an initial experience for me, although I think that was
only part of it. It seems that there’s more behind that, and that’s
really my question. What else is behind my strong attraction to Afro-Americans
besides that, or in addition to that?
ELIAS: I shall express to you that you have created this draw
within yourself, that you may be allowing yourself to address to your individual
movement, in how you address to situations and the belief systems that
may be influencing of those situations.
Now; in this, you move in a type of expression, that you associate certain
movements of your own and directions that you choose with individuals.
It is quite efficient within your focus to be associating concepts with
individuals. You incorporate the symbolism of individuals as a type
of focal point to focus your attention.
In this, you have encountered or participated in the creation of a specific
type of relationship and interaction with another individual, and in this,
you have also associated the individual with certain actions.
Subsequent to the disengagement of the relationship, you have continued
to use this symbol, so to speak, which is embodied in the identification
of this individual, as a type of focal point to be moving your attention
in different manners; not in the direction of acceptance of the choices
of the individual, but in an overlaying expression in which you continue
a draw to the identification of this individual, and project that in an
attraction to other individuals of this ethnicity.
You continue to create an action of drawing this circumstance, so to
speak, to your attention through that symbology, that you may move into
the expression of addressing to the beliefs which are influencing of the
perception that creates that type of action and interaction in relationships.
(Pause)
JOSEPH: Well, that gives me quite a bit to think about, and I’m
sure I’ll have more questions as I think about it. So I thank you
for the answer, and let me go on to something else.
In the last session, we talked more about my orientation, which is soft,
but there are a couple of lingering questions. I do know that much
of the description of soft fits very strongly. What continues to
puzzle me is your assertion that a person of this orientation that is not
in continuous interaction with others is in conflict.
Now, the first mystery to clear up is the real definition of what you
mean by interaction, and the second mystery is a question of whether this
(inaudible), or that what goes through their minds is different from individuals
of other orientations, and could that mean that our alternate selves are
in continuous interaction. But then, how could a person even choose
this? It’s something spontaneous, so the person couldn’t be not interactive,
or in potential conflict.
Well, first define what you mean by interaction, and then we’ll go on
from there, please.
ELIAS: Continuous interaction may or may not be expressed in an
actual verbal exchange or in a physical exchange. Individuals that
hold this orientation of soft may be creating a continuous interaction
in energy, and this may be accomplished and expressed not necessarily with
other individuals in an objective expression. Are you understanding?
JOSEPH: Yeah, I understand so far, but I don’t feel like I’ve
been given the definition of continuous interaction, and what you mean
by that. I recognized what you said, that a person may not necessarily
be in physical contact or objective communication.
ELIAS: Correct.
JOSEPH: But then what else would there be?
ELIAS: You are also moving in a correct identification as you
express your questioning as to the involvement with alternate selves, or
other focuses or other aspects of other essences also.
JOSEPH: Okay. Well, I guess that’s about as much as I can
get out of that at the moment. I might have more questions later
on.
Recently, I’ve recognized how much of a need I have to work with other
people to get myself moving. Now, that’s always been there, but for
some reason, my mind is really focused on that. If I work alone,
I feel like I’m frozen or stuck on slow speed. However, when I work
with another person, I’m bursting with energy. I’m virtually unable
to control the speed of my movement. The solution might be to alternate
between working with another individual and working alone, but another
problem is that I don’t have the choice of working with other people most
of the time.
I spoke to my boss about my need to work with others — I did that recently
— and could I get him to go along with my need. If you have any clues
as to how I can talk to my boss and get him to let someone work with me
once in a while, that would solve the problem. Just say a few words
about that, please. Then I’ll go on to another aspect.
ELIAS: I am understanding of your expression in this area, and
this also is a quality in expression of your orientation, which shall also
provide you more information concerning your orientation.
JOSEPH: It sure has!
ELIAS: In this, let me express to you, you may be, in your physical
terms, accomplishing this direction with less intensity of pushing.
JOSEPH: Can you describe what you mean by less intensity of pushing?
ELIAS: In your interaction with....
JOSEPH: Oh, in my interaction with others.
ELIAS: Yes, and....
JOSEPH: So they won’t be too stimulated. Okay, I understand
you. Yeah, that’s one solution, but another solution I seek is for
when I can’t interact with others, you know?
ELIAS: I am understanding.
In this, you may be viewing your interaction with the individual that
you identify as your supervisor, and you may be recognizing that your identification
of need in intensity also creates an expression outwardly of pushing with
this individual ...
JOSEPH: Okay....
ELIAS: ... and in that action, you are creating an obstacle....
JOSEPH: Okay, I understand. Now, what approach do I use?
ELIAS: Allow yourself to be recognizing and expressive of your
want, but also creating an allowance of energy in interaction with the
other individual.
In this, as you allow yourself to relax, you also shall offer to yourself
a clearer viewing of your choices. You block some expressions of
your own individual ability in creativity, to be approaching different
scenarios or situations, by incorporating an intensity of tension within
your energy.
As you experience an intensity in your identification of your feelings,
you also automatically begin creating this tension within yourself, which
is translated not merely in your physical form — which it is, for it is
affecting of your actual interaction of your muscles — but it also is projected
within your energy.
Let me express to you, Dainel, other individuals feel your energy!
In this, as you are creating this tension, you also block your clarity
in allowing yourself to view all of your individual choices.
Now; this is significant, for you incorporate this action in many situations,
not merely this one. You create this tension in situations, and as
you create that tension, you also narrow your field of vision, so to speak,
and as you narrow your field of vision, you create obstacles in [not] allowing
yourself to view all of your choices.
Whereas, if you are allowing yourself to be relaxing your energy, you
also may allow yourself to move easily into a natural expression of interaction
with other individuals, for this allows you to draw other individuals to
you.
(Intently) Let me express to you, hear what I am stating to you.
Your supervisor within your employment is not creating the denial to you
to be interactive with other individuals. YOU are creating that action,
in pushing with your energy and creating this expression of tension.
JOSEPH: So it’s a matter of trying to relax, and I’ll succeed
in my endeavors.
ELIAS: Yes.
JOSEPH: Okay. Well, I think that answers that very well,
for the moment at least. Maybe later I’ll have more questions, but
let’s go on to something else, okay?
ELIAS: Very well.
JOSEPH: Thank you. One evening while I was brushing my teeth,
I had this fantasy conversation with you. I referred to a position
in the musical world, with Wagner and Liszt and their followers on one
side, and Brahms and Debussy and their adherents on the other side, and
I noted that my musical and artistic sister Doris, who just visited me,
which is why she’s on my mind so strongly, went through a phase with a
strong liking for Debussy, but she seems to dislike everything by Franz
Liszt, and I suspect that maybe she has a focus involved in the 19th century.
I remember you saying in my mind that she has a focus as Richard Wagner,
and mentally I jumped because it’s a little astounding, and I’m not sure
it fits, although I could see it. Afterwards, I thought about it,
and I could see it.
Anyway, like I said, mentally I heard you say that she has a focus as
Richard Wagner. Would you care to repeat that? (Laughing)
ELIAS: I shall express to you, this is an objective misinterpretation.
I have not identified that this individual is that individual in another
focus, but is closely associated with that individual.
JOSEPH: Okay. Was she well-known? Is it a name I would
recognize?
ELIAS: This individual is a family member to that other individual.
JOSEPH: To Richard Wagner?
ELIAS: Yes.
JOSEPH: You mean, not his wife or one of his lovers, but a family
member?
ELIAS: Yes.
JOSEPH: Like his mother or a sibling, or something like that?
Richard Wagner was a bastard, I think. His father and mother never
married. His father, I guess, was an actor. Would you tell
me which family member, or do you want me to try to get that myself?
ELIAS: Offer to me presently, in this moment, in playfulness,
what is your impression?
JOSEPH: Well, I’m seeing in my mind my sister’s acting ability,
and this bastard father. I wonder if I’m getting it?
ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.
JOSEPH: Okay. Wow! Good for me!
ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha!
JOSEPH: Okay. No wonder I couldn’t ... I mean, I would never
have thought of that ‘cause it’s so remote. Okay.
Now, I wondered about another definition of yours, and I have to say
what I think before I ask you how you define creative or creativity, because
I think I may understand it to a certain extent.
Now, to illustrate that, I’m gonna tell you that I thought I saw my
creativity extend way beyond myself; in other words, way beyond what anybody
would see. I mean, people can see me paint. People can see
me do things physically, but they can’t see how my energy extends to other
things, like the park across the street was redone by the city, which was
a big undertaking ‘cause the city rarely does anything to the park.
Down the street there’s a new building next to the school, and on the other
side of me, it’s the same thing. I play the piano at two nursing
homes, and they are spending a lot of money on their pianos, and most people
don’t do that when they’re in the inner city. The department where
I work has gone through a lot of renovation and expansion. Everything
around me seems to improve, and that seems to be an extension of my creativity.
Even in this place, for example, the landlord is gutting the apartments
and redoing them completely.
In a recent session, I asked if you would give my intent, and you told
me that I might be able to figure it out by looking at my life and putting
things together, as though they were pieces of a puzzle. Well, that
sure was a puzzle! All I could do was scratch my head on that one!
When all this stuff I was just telling you about came into my head, I didn’t
think about my intent at all, but Saturday morning, all of a sudden, it
just struck me like the proverbial ton of bricks that I’m looking at my
intent. So, I’d like you to express my intent in an Elias way.
First, confirm that I’m seeing my intent, and then express it the way you
express it. I’m turning it over to you now.
ELIAS: (Chuckling) I shall express to you, yes, you are
offering yourself a recognition and impressions concerning your intent
in this focus, and you are also examining the expression of creativity
and your participation in that expression of creativity.
In this, incorporated in association with your orientation and the design
of expression of that orientation, you have chosen to be exploring other
avenues of creativity that may be what you identify to be more obscure
objectively than those that are identified through mass recognition.
You exhibit talents — or what you may identify as talents — in this
focus, and within the assessment of other individuals, and even yourself
previously, you may have viewed those talents as expressions of your creativity.
But once again, this is the surface viewing and what you may term to be
the narrow identification of your expression of creativity.
For your exploration, which is your intent in this focus, is to be recognizing
and manipulating energy that is expressed in a more abstract type of movement
of energy, which is affecting in creative expressions, but not necessarily
in what may [be] viewed as obvious, as expressions such as your musical
endeavors or....
JOSEPH: Painting.
ELIAS: Correct. ...but your manipulation of energy in participation
with aesthetic value, in all that you create within your environment surrounding
you. Are you understanding?
JOSEPH: Yes. Okay, I think that rounds out what I was seeing
and thinking. Thank you.
ELIAS: You are quite welcome.
JOSEPH: I have these friends, John and Warren. I’ve mentioned
Warren, and John is someone he always hangs around with, much more than
he does with me. Warren goes crazy because John keeps giving Afro-American
and Hispanic men money for sex, and as a result isn’t wanting to work.
I would like to offer an understanding that might help Warren get a sense
of what John is doing with his life.
There is one particular situation that Warren and myself have an interest
in hearing your thoughts on. This is the strongest long-term relationship
that John has had. It’s with a man named Julio, who doesn’t work.
John supports Julio, and Julio doesn’t even give him sex. Julio was
a drug addict, but there is a recent development. First of all, John
was giving Julio money for drugs all these years, and then all of a sudden,
Julio changed, and suddenly, unexpectedly, he’s a different person and
he’s not on drugs anymore. I think what happened is that an alternate
version replaced the primary one.
Also, can you tie the answer in with what John’s intent is in life?
He has no interest in the Elias stuff, as far as I know. I’ve never
really talked to him about it, but I might, if you give me some tasty information
that I think he might nibble on.
ELIAS: (Chuckling) And what is your motivation, Dainel?
JOSEPH: Understanding, I think. (Elias chuckles) If
I was maybe more calm about it, and feeling less exasperated with John....
ELIAS: Ah!
JOSEPH: Does that make sense?
ELIAS: Yes. Now; I shall express to you that this individual
creates a different type of....
JOSEPH: You’re talking about John now, right?
ELIAS: Yes. ...a different type of exploration within his
focus than do you.
There is a fascination with the movement of energy and the choices of
individuals that move contrary to what you in mass beliefs identify as
positive or good, and in this, there is a fascination with the expressions
associated physically with good and bad and right and wrong.
Therefore, this individual involves himself in interactions and contemplations,
in a manner of speaking, in scenarios that present objective examples of
acceptable and not acceptable, and in this, chooses to be exploring aspects
of the unacceptable as acceptable.
Now; let me also express to you the inquiry as to why this shall be
bothersome to you?
JOSEPH: Why it bothers me that John is doing this, or why it bothers
me that Warren is always upset by it?
ELIAS: Either! Both!
JOSEPH: Okay, it doesn’t bother me ... it DOES bother me a little
bit what John is doing, but only because of jealousy. He’s getting
some and I’m not! (Laughing) Which Warren won’t say anything about
because of that. It bothers me what Warren is doing because I feel
he should just let John live his own life and not worry about what John
is doing, but I wouldn’t express that to Warren because then I would be
doing the same thing that Warren is doing.
ELIAS: Ah, but within you, you ARE creating a very similar action,
regardless that you are expressing it! (Chuckling)
This is your opportunity to view your movement and your responses, rather
than concentrating your attention upon the responses and choices of another
individual; but in recognizing that you choose to be interactive with this
individual, as this individual provides you with a mirror action that may
be clearly exhibited, and allowing you the opportunity to view your own
behaviors and choices that move in very similar type of expression, regardless
that you do not engage conversation or objective communication in addressing
to the subject matter.
JOSEPH: Well, I’m gonna share this with Warren, and I’ll understand
even better then, ‘cause it’s really helpful when I share the things that
you either say on tape or that are presented in the transcripts.
I find that I can get more out of it, sharing it with Warren.
ELIAS: I am understanding, and I....
JOSEPH: He also has a lot of interest in just that part, but not
in going beyond, like reading a transcript or talking to you, etc.
Let’s go on to something else. I had a dream about my childhood
in northern Wisconsin, and my relatives and my father.... (the rest of
this is inaudible).
As I was nearing age 33, I met a Greek immigrant in Chicago named George,
whose personality strongly reminded me of my father. We had a sexual
relationship for a while, and I’ve always been intrigued by his strong
resemblance in mannerisms to my father. I wonder if that might indicate
my recognition of George as a focus of my father.... (the rest of this
is inaudible). Do you want to comment on that?
ELIAS: You have drawn yourself to this individual in a recognition
of personality type, and a manifestation of a physical focus that offers
you enough of an objective recognition of similarities that you have allowed
yourself to be moving into expressions of certain unexpressed desires previously.
In this, no, the individual is not another focus....
JOSEPH: But the other impressions are correct? (Pause)
ELIAS: Yes.
JOSEPH: Okay. I still have something I want to ask about
Warren. He is wondering if he is a famous singer during the time
of Handel, and if you would please give the name of this individual, and
also, please give Warren’s essence name. (Pause)
ELIAS: I shall express to you, no, this individual does not hold
a focus exhibiting fame within that time framework, but does hold a focus
within that time framework; not of popularity, so to speak, or exhibiting
any expression of fame....
JOSEPH: So, his focus was a popular singer who fell into obscurity,
right? Is that what you’re saying?
ELIAS: No. There is no....
JOSEPH: No focus in that time period.
ELIAS: There IS a focus within the time framework, but of no popularity
in recognition within ...
JOSEPH: Oh, okay. Thank you.
ELIAS: ... societies.
JOSEPH: Okay. What’s Warren’s essence name, please? (Pause)
ELIAS: Essence name, Delphia; D-E-L-P-H-I-A. (del’fia)
JOSEPH: That reminds me of ancient Greece. Does Warren have
an important focus in ancient Greece? One of the dancers of Delphi?
ELIAS: This individual does participate in a focus within that
culture, although it may be questioned as to your identification of “importance”
of....
JOSEPH: Well, would it be in an encyclopedia or in history books,
or is it just one of those dancers of Delphi, where they are obscure as
an individual?
ELIAS: Not in an identification of recognition or fame either,
in this focus.
JOSEPH: Okay. Elias, the time is just about up. I
would’ve liked to have taken up one little thing ... well, it’s not a little
thing. It’s regarding my sex life. In one of the first sessions
I had with you, I discussed my interest in having a partner, and I still
haven’t gotten anywhere near that, and perhaps ... do you want to leave
this for another session, or do you want to say a few words, like console
me or encourage me or something? (Laughing)
ELIAS: I express to you, my friend, to continue to be focusing
your attention upon self and moving into the expression of acceptance of
self. As you continue to practice in these expressions, you also
create more of an opportunity to be moving in the expression of creating
that type of relationship that you seek.
JOSEPH: Okay, there’s another question that springs from this.
What I’ve been trying to practice in regard to an expression of acceptance
of self, is that just something to continue?
ELIAS: Yes, and in this, allow yourself to be recognizing more
of your familiarity with self.
In this, you already have allowed yourself some expressions and recognitions
in familiarity with self, identifying more of your individual movement,
and this allows you the definition in more clarity as to what you are in
actuality seeking in this want of relationship.
As you become more familiar with self, you may also become more defined
in your direction in your creation of relationships, rather than the generality
of, “I wish to be creating a relationship with another individual,” and
as you move close to the creation of that action, you [may] also identify
that what you are creating is not necessarily what you wish to be creating.
JOSEPH: Hmm. Well, that presents more of a mystery than
an answer!
ELIAS: You wish to be creating interactions in a type of relationship
with another individual, but not necessarily in all expressions of intimacy
objectively.
JOSEPH: Oh. Yeah, okay, I think I see what you’re saying.
Like when I envision this relationship in my mind, I see this person as
visiting me for sex. I cannot see this person interacting with me,
going out and doing things and eating together and all these other things
that people do. To me, the relationship is nothing but sex.
Is that what you’re talking about?
ELIAS: Yes.
JOSEPH: That’s what you’re talking about?
ELIAS: Yes.
JOSEPH: Huh! How the heck ... you know, ever since maybe
my third meditation that I was talking about earlier, that I think led
to my liking of black people, ever since then, I’ve found myself totally
unable to see anything other than sex with them.
ELIAS: This is what we are speaking of this day, in your movement
and how you have created a type of symbology in association with an individual
— which extends now to an ethnic group of individuals — and the identification
which is associated with relationships and intimacy.
You are involving many aspects of associations of aspects of beliefs
in this action that you have incorporated, and this is what we began addressing
to this day in that discussion, that you may allow yourself to view what
you are creating.
This also is related, so to speak, to what I am expressing to you in
familiarizing yourself with self, and this shall create the allowance for
yourself to BE creating this want of relationship.
Presently, you create many obstacles within yourself and your energy,
all of which we have been discussing this day. Allow yourself to
view [that] all of your movement — as you — moves harmoniously in whichever
direction you choose. You do not isolate one direction and create
one type of behavior and interaction, and create a different type of behavior
and interaction in other scenarios.
You are you, and your energy moves in the type of expression that you
direct it in generally, so to speak. Your interactions may be created
slightly differently, or you may identify different types of relationships,
but the energy of you is projected similarly in ALL of your directions
within your focus.
Therefore, be remembering also of our exchange concerning tension of
energy, and what this creates within your movement also.
All of what we have been discussing this day interplays with ALL of
your directions of movement.
JOSEPH: Well, that’s something that I have to really dig into
a lot more. I can’t get it all in one session. So, I can only
thank you, and say goodbye. We’re out of time now.
ELIAS: Very well, my friend. I shall be anticipating our
next meeting, and I shall continue to be offering energy to you.
JOSEPH: Yes, I wish you would give me ideas!
ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha!
JOSEPH: Especially in this regard, ‘cause this is really a bothersome
thing.
ELIAS: Allow yourself time frameworks of relaxation, and you may
be aware also of my energy and presence with you.
JOSEPH: Thank you again.
ELIAS: You are very welcome, my friend. To you, in affection,
au revoir.
JOSEPH: Au revoir.
Elias departs at 10:44 a.m.
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