Session 607
Translations: ES



“Counterpart Action/Triggers”
“This Wondrous Sentimentality!”

Saturday, April 29, 2000
© 2000 (Private/Phone)
Participants:  Mary (Michael) and Rodney (Zacharie)
Elias arrives at 11:53 AM. (Arrival time is 19 seconds)

ELIAS:  Good morning!

RODNEY:  Good morning, Elias! (They both chuckle)  I have so much to talk about!

ELIAS:  Very well.  You may proceed!

RODNEY:  I almost don’t know where to begin! (They both laugh)  I’ve spent the whole morning, almost, wondering what we are going to talk about!

Every morning, I select a card from the Aleister Crowley tarot deck, and I do so, and I feel that it’s my essence doing this, or me doing it.  I’m creating a symbol for an aspect of energy that if I focus on that, it will help me enjoy the day, or at least benefit more.  It’s kind of like a little exercise to focus my attention one way or the other, and sometimes I know or I have a feeling for what that card is going to be, or the nature of the card, before I even pull it.

This morning I pulled the Eight of Cups, which is one of the most depressing cards in the deck.  In the parlance of this language, it stands for the dark night of the soul, so to speak.  It stands for depression, suicide, self-pity.  Before I pulled it, I recognized or I had the sense or I had a premonition that I was pulling something difficult, and yet I trusted myself to pull the card anyway.  After reading what the card was about, I have a sense that I AM depressed.  I’m kind of depressed around my work life.  It doesn’t hold the draw or the fascination for me.  I would be well to be looking elsewhere for a new set of goals, a new place to focus my attention.

Would you want to comment about my use of the cards this way, and the significance of my pulling this card this morning?

ELIAS:  I will express to you, Zacharie, each of you create your own methods in which you shall present imagery to yourselves that you shall allow yourselves to pay attention to.

In this, there are no mystical qualities that are inherent in these cards themselves.

RODNEY:  Yes, I understand.

ELIAS:  But you have chosen to be creating this method of offering imagery to yourself, and using these cards as a focal point, so to speak, to allow yourself to be paying attention to yourself, your impressions, and what you are creating, therefore offering a type of communication to yourself that you allow yourself to trust.


ELIAS:  In this, it moves quite efficiently within your allowance of your trust in self.

As to this particular time framework of this day and your viewing of this particular card and your interpretation of this card, you are merely offering yourself, once again, a translation of your impressions, which you are allowing yourself to listen to.

In this, just as the deck of cards does not merely incorporate images that are offered in an expression of positive, in your beliefs, neither are the communications that you offer to yourself in your impressions.  What I am expressing to you is that you offer yourself the opportunity to view your movement, regardless of your assessment that it be positive or negative, good or bad.

RODNEY:  That’s what I use the deck for, yes.

ELIAS:  In this, as you offer yourself any element that you view to be negative, you also offer yourself the opportunity to view more of your choices.

You are less likely to be offering yourself a thought process in relation to choices if you are presenting yourself with imagery and impressions that are directed in what you view as a positive element.  Why shall you alter any expression that you view to be positive?

RODNEY:  (Laughing)  Right!

ELIAS:  Therefore, you do not view the offering of positive as an opportunity to be viewing choices, although it is, but this is not the manner in which you view those particular types of communications.  Now....

RODNEY:  Just me in particular?

ELIAS:  You collectively, in all of you within this physical dimension.

RODNEY:  Okay.

ELIAS:  In this, as you present yourself with any impression or imagery that is suggestive of negative, you shall allow yourself the opportunity to view other avenues, more choices.  Therefore, it becomes a positive.

RODNEY:  Wow.  So in other words, I find more significance in the more difficult aspects, or what we would call negative symbols.

ELIAS:  It is not that you find more significance, for you do allow yourself acknowledgment in the positive.  You do hold to that energy throughout your day, in a manner of speaking.  But as you present yourself with the negative, you also present yourself with the opportunity to view choices.  This is not that you view this with more significance.  It is that you view it differently.

RODNEY:  Okay.  My choices ... let’s see.  I’d like to ask you to clarify that a little bit.  When you say I’m more willing to make choices, perhaps I’m being more aware of opportunities to make choices throughout that particular day.

ELIAS:  You are correct.  Now....

RODNEY:  Whereas, if I were to have pulled the King of Wands, which is a beautiful card, I simply would have accepted that energy, and perhaps not looked for the opportunity to make choices within that kind of energy, to the same extent that I would with pulling the Eight of Cups today.

ELIAS:  You are correct.

I shall express to you, in the context of this conversation, that we may express to each other, hypothetically, you may view this type of imagery in positive and negative from the standpoint of viewing opportunities and choices in relation to this shift in consciousness, [in] that the manner in which you identify positive and negative may be viewed in reverse.  For as you choose a card that you associate with positive, figuratively speaking, it is actually negative, for it narrows your field of openness to choices.

RODNEY:  (Laughing)  You’re right!

ELIAS:  But the card that you choose that appears to be offering you a message of negative is in actuality presenting you with the aspect of positive, for it opens your field of awareness and opportunity of choice.

RODNEY:  (Laughing)  You’re right!  You’re absolutely right!

ELIAS:  Ha ha!

RODNEY:  That’s incredible!  Okay, I think you’ve spoken to that very nicely.  Thank you.  I am opening to making choices surrounding what I’m going to be doing in the futures of my moments. (Laughing)

ELIAS:  I am aware, and I shall interject in this moment that you have allowed yourself to be opening to many different avenues of experiences and interactions, and therefore opening the availability, so to speak, of the field of your choices concerning opportunities in the subject matter of employ.

In this, you already hold an awareness of your own impressions and the communication that you have been offering to yourself in certain directions which are incorporating an element of boredom now, and in that recognition, you have already begun an expanding of your view to be offering yourself other avenues.

RODNEY:  Right, and it’s really not so much a question of money.  I have an opportunity, perhaps, to make a significant, shall we say, bonus in the near future, and of course I’m going to pursue it, but by the same token, Elias, you know, I feel it’s only money.  I guess there’s an old expression, “chop wood, carry water.”  But there’s so much else that I would rather be doing.

ELIAS:  Ha ha!  And I shall express to you ...

RODNEY:  And that I would more enjoy doing.

ELIAS:  ... you are correct.  And your statement that this financial gain is merely money, you are quite correct!  It is merely a physical object — paper!

RODNEY:  (Laughing)  Yeah!  Absolutely right!

ELIAS:  You may easily be creating of this particular product or physical matter within your physical reality.  The acquisition of money is easily expressed within your physical dimension.  It is the obstacles that each of you present to yourselves, in the discounting of yourselves and your own abilities, that creates the appearance — the illusion — that it is difficult for you to be acquiring money.

RODNEY:  Right, yes, and we have a lottery here in New Jersey which is worth a hundred million dollars at the moment, and I bought ten tickets yesterday for it!


RODNEY:  And I am well aware that I have a belief that I’m actually hoping I don’t win it, because a hundred million dollars would upset my life so much that I’m not sure I could handle it!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha!  And I shall offer to you a tidbit of information concerning probabilities.

Look to this creation of your establishment of lottery, and this shall provide you with an excellent example of the principle of probabilities.

The reason a psychic or any other individual does not hold the ability to be predicting the outcome of the lottery is that the probability is created within the moment, and therefore is not established until the moment of its creation.

RODNEY:  Really? (Laughing)  Fascinating!

ELIAS:  This shall offer you information as to the subject matter of precognition, of which there is no precognition!

RODNEY:  Okay.  I gave up trying to precognize the numbers many, many, many, many years ago!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

RODNEY:  Now I let the machine pick ‘em! (They both laugh)  It’s an interesting engagement in my belief system to work on.

I’d like to change the subject a little.

ELIAS:  You may.

RODNEY:  There’s an individual called Mike, whose essence name is Mikah, and you speak to him regularly, and I find that his questions to you, and even more particularly, your answers to him, are very, very significant to me.

For instance, you spoke to him about how to meditate, oh, maybe a year ago, but I only read the session recently, and I realized that I have not allowed myself to meditate.  I’ve been forcing myself not to think of anything!  And in that discussion, your comments to him to allow — there’s that acceptance again — to allow himself to perceive whatever he perceives was very, very meaningful to me.  So, I’ve been meditating now for about — I don’t know — two or three weeks, and it has taken on a new life for me, which is another topic.

But you’ve also spoken to Mike about some other issues which I have found very significant to me, and I was just curious as to whether or not there’s any special relationship between Mike and myself, or ... I know there’s a special relationship between all of us who speak to you because we’re all drawn to this material, but outside of that, is there any special significance between Mike and I?

ELIAS:  I shall express to you, I wish not to be incorporating the terminology of “special significance,” but I shall offer to you that you do engage counterpart action with this individual.

RODNEY:  I do.

ELIAS:  Yes.

RODNEY:  Okay, with reference to this material?  I understand that counterpart action is a function created with someone else around a particular intent.  Is that correct?

ELIAS:  Not necessarily....

RODNEY:  Or an intent to experience something?

ELIAS:  You ALL hold an intent to experience.

RODNEY:  I mean this particular subject matter that we discuss with you.

ELIAS:  Not in its entirety.  I shall offer to you, counterpart action may be created in many forms.  It may be limited to specific types of experiences, or it may be much more expansive and it may encompass many types of experiences.

Many counterpart actions involve a relationship of energy with respect to experiences that move in certain directions, so to speak; which, these may be in the direction of belief systems, they may be in specific manifestations, they may be in issues, they may be in subject matter.  It may be the creation of a counterpart action which is incorporated throughout the entirety of certain individuals’ focuses.

You may in actuality create a counterpart action with one individual, and they may not necessarily hold counterpart action in reverse with you.

RODNEY:  Okay.  So, do I hold counterpart action with him, or does he hold counterpart action with me?

ELIAS:  Both.

RODNEY:  Okay.  In this instance, it works both ways.

ELIAS:  Correct.

RODNEY:  Is there any way that you could shed light on the direction of this counterpart action?

ELIAS:  The counterpart action that you engage with this individual, or that both of you engage together, is an action that lends energy to each of you in relation to the experiences that you offer to yourselves, in allowing yourselves to turn your attention and alter your perceptions in the incorporation of a trust of your individual abilities.

Each of you have created experiences within your individual focuses in which you assume personal responsibility for other individuals.  You hold your attention outside of self and concentrate upon other individuals or circumstances or situations which are occurring outside of you, and in this, divert your attention from self.

Now; I shall express to you, Zacharie, that within a time framework which we may identify as recent, relatively speaking, within a few years, you have begun allowing yourself to turn your attention more and more to self, and you have also addressed to certain expressions of personal responsibility that you hold as directed to other individuals.  You have also allowed yourself to be addressing to elements of fear that you have held within your focus, and in this action, you offer an expression of energy to Mikah in his focus presently, to be offering himself the same type of action.

Now; he offers energy to you in this counterpart action.  In the experiences that he creates, the energy translates to you through the counterpart action, and this allows you more of an ease in drawing to your objective attention areas that you continue to hold within your focus that you wish to address to concerning personal responsibility and fear.

You both create similar issues within your respective focuses.  In your experiences that you individually create in your focuses, you offer counterpart action in energy to each other, that you may be efficiently drawing to your attentions these issues and these behaviors, so to speak, that you create in your respective focuses.

Now; in your choices and in your movement, you accept the energy which is offered in this counterpart action, and you manipulate that energy to allow you to view objectively areas in which you wish to address your attention in relation to these particular issues, therefore allowing yourself to move through these issues, which you are accomplishing.

Mikah draws from the counterpart action and creates experiences which continue to gain his attention.  He has not moved into the expression of addressing to these issues yet, within your linear time framework, but he does allow himself to be drawing upon this counterpart action, and therefore create experiences that shall gain his attention, and therefore draw his attention objectively to these issues.

RODNEY:  Okay.  Are you finished?

ELIAS:  Yes, you may continue.

RODNEY:  I’m fascinated.  If I understand you correctly, this counterpart action will continue of its own accord, whether Mike and I ever exchange words with each other.

ELIAS:  You are correct.

Now; I shall offer you another element of information concerning your imagery of your card, and this also may be incorporated into the information of counterpart action that you hold with this individual.

RODNEY:  Okay.

ELIAS:  You have drawn this particular card.  You allow yourself the communication of your impressions concerning yourself and your creations and your movement individually in relation to the defined expression of that particular card.

RODNEY:  Right.

ELIAS:  As it relates to the counterpart action, you may allow yourself the recognition that Mikah also is experiencing in relation to that identification of that particular card presently, but in a different manner, for he engages questioning and an element of confusion concerning death.

RODNEY:  Death?

ELIAS:  Correct.

RODNEY:  Alright, ‘cause this card, as I selected it today, in the best aspect of this card, it stands for resignation, renunciation, and self-denial, but as I selected this card today, it stands for depression, suicide, and self-pity.

ELIAS:  Correct, which may be associated in your physical terms with the experiences that Mikah incorporates inwardly within himself.

RODNEY:  Really!  Okay.  Most interesting!  I’m not sure where to go from here with that with you!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha!

RODNEY:  (Laughing)  So, I’m going to leave it for a moment.

ELIAS:  Very well.

RODNEY:  But I thank you so much.  I truly feel a deeper connection with Mike, and we’ll see where we go from here.

I went from this card to a meditation this morning, and in the meditation, I had an interesting experience that I want to share with you.

I was focusing on acceptance, although I try not to intellectualize this.  I try to sense the feeling of it, and as I was doing that, I heard a bird cooing outside my window, and I’m very sensitive to bird sounds.  They always bring me a joyful message, and I thought of Rose and the fleck of energy that exists with all these birds, as you have described it.

And this got mixed up with ... I don’t know.  Somehow I got the idea that I was not alone, and that the other beings ... could it possibly be that there are other essences who are aware of me, because I hold such ... I hold an idea of such incredible isolation that for me to become aware that there are other intelligent beings being aware of me is something I’m not quite accustomed to yet, and all of a sudden, I just became aware of the fact that there’s a lot of consciousness that is aware of me, and I just began to cry.

ELIAS:  You are quite correct.

RODNEY:  And as the tears came — or more importantly, as I began to hold them back — I remembered your words of opening to this energy, and recognizing that it is an expression of joy.  As I did that, I began to see the joy, or to feel it, in the incredible acceptance of all that is, and of you, and of Rose, I presume, for she has spoken to me before, and I went through a half a box of handkerchiefs here, I think.  It’s like, I’ve been meditating on acceptance, and I have such weird ideas as to what progress is, or whether or not I should even be involved with seeking it.  I guess I just want to thank you for your information and your willingness to be with me and answer these questions.  It was truly a beautiful moment.

ELIAS:  And I shall express to you, Zacharie, thanks that you allow yourself this beauty in expression of what we have discussed previously, in this wondrous sentimentality!

RODNEY:  (Laughing)  Right, right.  This wondrous sentimentality!

You had also spoken to me some time ago, and it just occurs to me, that in my meditation, if I were to bring you some of the phenomena that seems to come up for me, you might talk to me about triggers.  Do you remember that?

ELIAS:  Yes.

RODNEY:  I’m sure you do.  I’ve noticed over the last few weeks that I’ll let thoughts come to me, and these thoughts are truly important.  They bring me good information.  But visually, I tend to see a couple of particular images.  One is, I tend to see a background of what is almost like clouds, clouds of purplish color, dark to light.  Within those clouds, there seems to be movement of waves of light, a lighter lavender color.  They seem to come from my periphery, and then narrow down in a circular fashion to a smaller opening, and there’s a great deal of imagery of circular waves, and/or something that looks like an eye or the center of a flower, with either petals of the flower, like in a rose, or something that might look like ... I use the term hair around the center, like maybe eyelashes, and these are some of the visual things that occur to me while I’m meditating.  Would any of those be subject matter for what you call a trigger?

ELIAS:  Yes.

RODNEY:  And what would I do with it?

ELIAS:  In this, the element that you view that appears to you to be movement of clouds, this is what you may identify to yourself as a trigger.

In this, remember that a trigger is what you may identify as a portal to other areas of consciousness.  Therefore, in your incorporation of meditation, as you relax and you allow yourself to be visualizing and viewing these clouds, once you have incorporated that action, you may manipulate your energy intentionally, but NOT forcefully ...

RODNEY:  Gently, okay.

ELIAS:  ... in an allowance....

RODNEY:  May I interrupt for a second?

ELIAS:  You may.

RODNEY:  I’d like to change my tape.

ELIAS:  Very well. (Pause)

RODNEY:  Could you go back over that last sentence?

ELIAS:  Yes.  Without forcefulness, in an allowance, focus your attention in a type of recognition of yourself — not your body, but of that which you identify as essentially you — and that energy move towards the imagery of the clouds.  As you move your energy into the clouds and allow yourself to penetrate and merge into the clouds, you shall allow yourself to open your portal.

In this, once you have opened your portal, you may direct your energy in any manner and move into any area of consciousness that you are choosing.

RODNEY:  Thank you, sir.

ELIAS:  You are quite welcome.

RODNEY:  Thank you very much.  I’ve been practicing self-acceptance, and it has benefited me!

ELIAS:  Quite!  Ha ha ha!

RODNEY:  I’m being a LITTLE less judgmental (Elias laughs) about myself.

I tried to get a young girl who was cutting my hair the other day to not cut off so much, and she became very agitated, so much so that I got up from the chair and walked out of the barber shop.  I went back twenty minutes later and had somebody else finish the job.  Normally I would have put so much judgment on myself for such an action, and in a few minutes, I found myself accepting myself, and not approving or disapproving of what I did; simply accepting myself for expressing myself the way I did.

ELIAS:  Ah, and what an amazement you find in freedom!

RODNEY:  (Laughing)  Yes!  That’s freedom!  The card I selected that day was called Victory! (They both laugh)  And that was a victorious moment! (Elias chuckles)  I had no hurtful feelings about her, but I certainly have some wondrous feelings about myself over that!

I would like ... I have so many things I want to talk to you about! (They both laugh)  There’s a girl I know called Arlene, and she’s pretty psychic, I guess you’d say.  She said to me the other night, “I just had a sense that you and I” — she used the term another life — “were together in another life, and we were two gentlemen of means, of money, in the south, perhaps during the period of the Civil War or before it, and that your name was Jerome.”  I’d like to know if you would confirm that. (Pause)

ELIAS:  Yes, this is correct.

RODNEY:  It IS correct!  You know, it’s important for me to do this confirmation, because I had a sense of what she was talking about.

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha!

RODNEY:  And that’s surprising me also! (Laughing)

ELIAS:  Quite!  Of course you shall surprise yourself, that you may be in actuality connecting with your impressions, and that they may be correct!  Ha ha ha!

RODNEY:  I’m beginning to get more of them, and it’s very, very interesting. (Elias chuckles)  I’ve heard you speak of the term “automatic response” in terms of much of what we do, and it occurred to me ... I was thinking about a person in particular, and the idea came up for me that we could be on automatic for a lifetime.

ELIAS:  Oh, quite!

RODNEY:  And never be aware of anything other than whatever the automatic responses led us to.

ELIAS:  You are quite correct.

RODNEY:  And that’s kind of a revelation to me.

ELIAS:  Many individuals are creating a reality in which all of their responses ARE automatic.

RODNEY:  Okay.  And I have to be cautious that I don’t ... a part of me wants to have judgment about that, but all experience is valid or acceptable.

ELIAS:  You are correct.

RODNEY:  Even if a person chooses to live that kind of a focus, even that is of great worth ...

ELIAS:  You are correct.

RODNEY:  ... to that particular essence.  So, it does not call for judgment.

ELIAS:  I am understanding that these types of expressions are difficult for your understanding within physical focus, for you speak with me, and the reason that you engage interaction with myself is that you may offer to yourself information that you may assimilate objectively, and therefore lessen your incorporation of conflict and trauma in relation to this shift in consciousness.  This is the purpose that you are speaking with myself.

There are individuals that choose not to be engaging this type of action, and are choosing to be incorporating trauma in relation to this shift in consciousness, and one of the areas of expression which does and shall incorporate some elements of trauma in relation to this shift in consciousness is the expression of automatic responses.

For the automatic responses are created in relation to the tremendous influence of your belief systems and the different aspects of those belief systems, and the movement of this shift in consciousness is to be accepting of those belief systems, not merely moving in automatic response to them.

RODNEY:  By the term “acceptance of the belief system,” you also are implying awareness of the belief system, are you not?

ELIAS:  Yes.

RODNEY:  Okay.  That goes hand-in-hand, right?

ELIAS:  Yes, you are correct.

RODNEY:  Acceptance and awareness?

ELIAS:  Yes.

RODNEY:  Very good, sir.  Hmm.  Thank you!

ELIAS:  You are quite welcome.

(Intently)  This is an example of the importance of acceptance, and the understanding of the difference of each individual’s perception, and that each perception creates an actual reality.

RODNEY:  Would you say that again, or maybe in a different way? (Laughing)

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha!  In allowing yourself to recognize difference of perceptions with each individual, you may also allow yourself the understanding that these differences of perception create an actual difference in reality, and....

RODNEY:  Excuse me.  You’re talking about MY perception of other different individuals?

ELIAS:  Presently.  But this applies to all individuals.

In this, as you offer yourself information concerning perception and reality, you also may incorporate an understanding of your own perception and your own reality and how it is influenced by your belief systems, and in the acceptance of self, you shall also move into an acceptance of your beliefs.

RODNEY:  Okay.  Thank you.

ELIAS:  You are welcome.

RODNEY:  I find that a natural desire of mine, to become as aware as I can — that, perhaps, is why we’re talking to each other, isn’t it?

ELIAS:  Quite! (Chuckling)

RODNEY:  A quick question — I think it’s a quick question.  You spoke to me the last time about another focus of mine in which I led a life that was ... I existed in a focus in which I was pretty brutal, and did things to people that I would hardly approve of in this focus.  And the reason I’m bringing this up is that when I indulge in self-righteous judgment and I become automatic, I sometimes allow myself to entertain thoughts of drastically rearranging the landscape, so to speak, in violent ways, you know, like blowing up a building or doing something terrible to someone.

Now, my question is that in recognizing that I go into automatic response, something is opening a door in this behavior which I’ve just described to you.  It is opening a door which allows brutal thoughts and feelings to come into me, and I wonder if you would comment on that.

ELIAS:  (Smiling)  I shall express to you, you are correct in your identification that this type of action opens a door, so to speak, for this is, yet again, another aspect of movement into acceptance.

Acceptance is to be incorporated in all aspects of yourself — in ALL of your expressions, in ALL of you — not merely those aspects of you that may be acceptable.

But I shall express to you that within the acceptance of those types of thoughts and feelings, that you express that you view to be negative or even violent, you create in that acceptance a deflating of the energy which is lent to the actualization of those very types of actions.

RODNEY:  Oh, I’m very aware of that.  As soon as I become aware of the thoughts or feelings that I’m holding, as soon as I become aware of that and my attention moves to acceptance, everything evaporates.

ELIAS:  I am not merely expressing within you individually.  You lend energy to the collective, to the mass.

RODNEY:  By holding those thought and feelings.

ELIAS:  Each time you allow yourself to be accepting of those types of thoughts and feelings, and not placing judgment upon yourself for expressing those types of thoughts and feelings within yourself, placing no judgment upon them, you lend energy to the dissipation of the strength of the expressions en masse of those very types.

RODNEY:  Okay, let me continue with this for a second.  The last time I spoke to you of a dream image of the skeleton over the coliseum, of the skull, and you talked to me about a bleed-through from another focus in which there was considerable fear and violence, and somehow I got the notion that when I feel these violent urges that come up with me, when I allow myself to be self-righteous about something — and when I say self-righteous, I mean to think for a moment that I am that right about something — that those violent feelings come to me from these other focuses that I’ve had.



ELIAS:  They are being created within the now BY YOU within this focus.  They are being lent energy by those other focuses, and you are lending energy to those other focuses to be perpetuating the creations.  But YOU are creating the thoughts and the feelings in THIS focus in relation to YOUR reality.

Those thoughts and feelings are your responsibility.  They are part of your creation of your reality.  They are not a creation of another focus which you merely assume within this focus.

RODNEY:  Okay.

ELIAS:  Now; I shall also express to you, each time you create a judgment upon those types of thoughts and feelings ... let me express the example of, you create a thought and a feeling in anger that you wish to be bombing a building.

RODNEY:  Right! (Laughing)

ELIAS:  In that expression, as you create a judgment upon that thought and feeling — as many individuals do in relation to religious beliefs, which also encompass metaphysical beliefs — and you move into an expression of attempting within your thoughts to retract that thought and that feeling, for you are judging it to be bad and you wish not to be expressing that in energy to the universe, so to speak, within your beliefs, you are in actuality offering energy to the very creation you wish not to be lending energy to!

RODNEY:  Thank you.  I’m beginning to really get that! (Laughing)

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha ha!

RODNEY:  Thank you.  I’m curious — I don’t know whether this would serve me or not, but that bleed-through I got from that other focus, did that focus have a name that you could relate to me? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Yes; Darian.

RODNEY:  How would you spell that?


RODNEY:  The first letter was E as in eye?


RODNEY:  Oh, D.  The name is Darian.

ELIAS:  Yes.

RODNEY:  Okay.  Rhymes with dare.

ELIAS:  Correct. (Grinning)

RODNEY:  Thank you, sir!

ELIAS:  You are welcome, sir!

RODNEY:  I’m going to make that worthwhile.  I don’t know how much time we have left, but I had a dream that I’d like to ask you about.  You know, it occurs to me that I had a whole series of dreams on one night, and I’ve been asking you about these dreams over the last several months! (Elias chuckles)

In this dream, I’ve been working for this company for a long time, and I’m feeling very awkward about it because I really do not know what they want me to do, and they want me to go represent them at a conference or a show, and I decide not to go, and I actually do not go to work that day, because I will not represent them not knowing what they want me to do.

Then the dream changes, and I see this huge field.  A large number of black people have arrived, and they’re all sitting on the ground like in an auditorium in front of a huge amphitheater, open air theater.  They all came in very old cars in very good working order.  I walk past them to a house in which I meet my wife and another woman, and it’s awkward because I’m not working.  And then I leave there — I’m giving you the highlights of this — and I’m driving.  It could be a hearse with a bunch of junk in the back — not a dead body — and there is authority on the road in the form of a policeman who is stopping traffic, and I eventually am allowed to go through.  I discover that the countryside has been excavated as far as the eye can see, and in this excavation, there are also two huge dams being built.  I drive on and on and on to one hill after another, and as far as the eye can see, the land has been excavated for the construction of something.

At the end of the dream, I come to where there are houses again, and I go into the house, and I believe I enter on the upper level, and I meet a group buddies, old buddies of mine.  I can’t tell you who they were except that I know they were a bunch of old buddies.  We have to get down to the first level of the house, but there’s no stairway, so we have to climb down a ladder, very narrow, and it’s tricky because I’m carrying something like an amplifier which can’t be dropped — it has to be handled very carefully — and in going down these stairs, I almost drop it, but I don’t.  I don’t drop it, and I get down to the bottom of the ladder okay, and that’s the end of the dream.

You’ve spoken to me before about the imagery of large pieces of land that are being excavated, and I don’t at the moment remember exactly what you said.  But that imagery, and the imagery of the amplifier needing to be brought down from the second floor to the first floor, down a narrow ladder, will you comment on that imagery?

ELIAS:  I shall offer to you that the entirety of this imagery is related to this shift in consciousness.

I shall also express to you that this final element of imagery concerning this particular amplifier, so to speak, and its movement from one level, in your terms, to another, is imagery that you have chosen in symbology concerning my interaction with you.

Now; I shall also express to you, in relation to our discussion this day, the challenge that you incorporate the movement into your trigger within your meditation, moving into your portal, and this particular dream shall serve as a focal point of direction in which you may hold your attention to be offering yourself information.  This may serve as your practice element.

RODNEY:  The dream.

ELIAS:  Yes.  Once you have moved into your portal, you may experience momentarily a slight disorientation, in wonderment of where you shall direct your attention.

RODNEY:  Okay.

ELIAS:  Therefore, I am offering the suggestion that you incorporate this dream to be directing your attention in this subject, and allowing yourself to be creating the action of accessing information concerning the imagery of this dream, and allowing yourself to be offering an objective interpretation of this particular dream.  For all of this imagery within this particular dream is concerning your shift in consciousness.

RODNEY:  Well, that’s great!  Thank you.

ELIAS:  You are welcome.  At our next meeting, you may offer to me your discovery, and if you are experiencing difficulty, I shall offer to you more of an explanation.

RODNEY:  I thank you.

ELIAS:  You are....

RODNEY:  I was going to ask you about something else in this dream, because it comes up in many of my dreams, but I accept your challenge and I won’t ask the question.

ELIAS:  Very well!  And we shall be disengaging this day, and you may be practicing with your trigger and your portal, and you may also be allowing yourself awareness of your counterpart action.

RODNEY:  Elias, I thank you so very, very, very much.

ELIAS:  You are very welcome, my friend, and I express to you also encouragement to be continuing in your wondrous sentimentality!

RODNEY:  (Laughing)  Thank you, sir!

ELIAS:  And I shall continue to be interactive with you, and offering my expression of energy in sentimentality also.

RODNEY:  (Laughing)  Thank you.

ELIAS:  You are quite welcome.  To you in tremendous affection, my friend, au revoir.

RODNEY:  Au revoir.

Elias departs at 1:12 PM.


(1)  I would like to include an excerpt from another transcript here, one that is not being shared presently.  But this is a great excerpt, I think, and relates to the discussion between Rodney and Elias on the subject of acceptance.  The title is my own, and the rest of the excerpt is Elias.

What do you accept?

You accept yourself as the being that you are.  You accept yourself in the abilities and the qualities that you manifest and display and create and exhibit.  You accept yourself as yourself, in all of your being.

You accept that you have chosen to be manifesting within this physical reality.  You accept the qualities of yourself, which are that you create all of your reality.  You accept that within this physical dimension, you yourself, as a participant, have created, in agreement collectively, a design for a particular reality which incorporates belief systems.

And as you accept all of this, which is all of you, you also accept the belief systems themselves, recognizing that in themselves, they are not good or bad, even the belief system of duplicity, which is the expression of good and bad and right and wrong.  Even that belief system, in itself, is not good or bad.

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