Wednesday, April 5, 2000-2
© 2000 (Private/Phone)
Participants:  Mary (Michael) and a new participant, Pseudo (Nym).
Elias arrives at 9:23 AM. (Arrival time is 30 seconds)

ELIAS:  Good morning!

PSEUDO:  Good morning!

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  And you have inquiries this day?

PSEUDO:  Yeah, I guess you could say I have a few questions!

ELIAS:  (Laughing)  You may proceed.

PSEUDO:  Well, first of all, I just wanted to say, I’ve never spoken to a spirit before, especially an old spirit, and I might be a little nervous, so bear with me!

ELIAS:  Ah, very well! (Chuckling)

PSEUDO:  I have a couple of questions just in reference to spirits.  Is there a specific amount or number of lives that spirits have in a span of eternity, or however long?

ELIAS:  In relation to one particular physical dimension?

PSEUDO:  And how many times can a spirit ... I mean, does a spirit ever not return?

ELIAS:  Quite!

In response to your question, no, there are no specific numbers of manifestations throughout different physical dimensions.

Within this particular physical dimension, you have designed the reality of this individual physical dimension to be incorporating manifestations in three different orientations.  Therefore, you do agree to be manifesting within this particular dimension at least three times.

PSEUDO:  Okay.  I know that some of your speech is different because obviously you’re much older than I am, (Elias grins) or maybe you’re not!  But in this lifetime, I would say you probably are.  When you refer to manifestation, is that my definition of a spirit?

ELIAS:  No.  A manifestation would be your definition of a physical lifetime.

PSEUDO:  Okay, and so after three times, we may not return?

ELIAS:  You may, or you may not.

Let me also clarify to you, it is not a question of returning.  This is an incorporation of the belief of reincarnation, and you do not reincarnate within any physical dimension.

The action of essence, which is what you are, is to be focusing its attention in many, many, many different directions simultaneously, and each of those focuses of attention, where they are directed to a physical dimension, creates a physical manifestation, which I term to be a focus, which is you.

You term this to be a lifetime, which also reinforces your belief system in reincarnation, but you believe the concept of reincarnation, for in this particular physical dimension, you create the movement of linear time.

Therefore, moments move in sequence in what you identify as a forward motion, and this reinforces your idea of reincarnation — that you are born into one time framework, you continue, you die; you are subsequently born again in a more future time framework, and you continue, and die, and so on.  In actuality, all of your manifestations, all of your focuses, occur simultaneously.

PSEUDO:  Okay, alright.  I understand that.  I’ve been reading a book called The Tibetan Way of Living and Dying, and it’s based on the Buddhist belief of reincarnation, and I’ve been finding it extremely interesting and also very comforting, as I’ve recently been going through some things with friends passing away or passing on or being reborn.  So, it’s been a great comfort in that.  Now, is it possible that a physical body can have more than one spirit in it at the same time? (Pause)

ELIAS:  This is an intricate question! (Smiling)

PSEUDO:  Well, just condense it for me.

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  This type of questioning, I shall also qualify, allows for an area of misinterpretation.  Let me express to you, if you are associating the term of spirit with the term of essence, yes, it is possible that more than one essence may be participating in the manifestation of one physical focus at the same time.

PSEUDO:  Okay, alright.  I understand that.

Can you tell me, Elias, what my essence is — who I am, who I was?

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  Essence name, (deleted).

PSEUDO:  And from what country?

ELIAS:  This is a physical translation of essence tone, which may be interpreted in a physical language in the location of Africa. (Pause)

This is merely the translation of the tone of essence.  This is not to say that your essence focuses most of its manifestations within that particular location.  It is merely an identification of tone, which translates into a word, which also may be identified within a particular language upon your planet.  This particular name translates into a language which is in existence, so to speak, within your physical continent of Africa.

PSEUDO:  And was my skin color black or white?

ELIAS:  You are misunderstanding.  I am not expressing to you of another focus.  I am merely offering to you an essence name, which is the overall tone of your essence, which is the identification of you.

As to a specific focus — another focus of essence that you hold within this dimension — you hold many.

You do hold manifestations in this physical location of Africa, one in the physical location of South Africa in which you manifest white male.  You also hold three other focuses within this continent in which you are manifest one male black, two female black. (Pause)

PSEUDO:  Can you tell me how old my soul is, my essence?  What century?

ELIAS:  I shall explain to you, essence holds no age.

As to the identification of an old soul or a new soul in relation to your manifestations in this particular dimension, this, in your physical terms, is measured by the number of manifestations that you hold in this particular dimension, not necessarily the time framework in which they extend pastly.  Are you understanding thus far?

PSEUDO:  Yes.

ELIAS:  In this, you may be deemed moderate in the measurement between old soul and new soul; not necessarily an old soul holding an extensive amount of manifestations in this particular dimension, but not a new soul either, in which you hold very few manifestations in this particular dimension.

In this physical dimension, you hold the number of 302 physical manifestations.

PSEUDO:  Okay.  Was I always educated?  Sometimes I feel as though I was a teacher at some point in a lifetime.

ELIAS:  You do hold a focus, which you may tap into and explore, in which you are creating that direction of teaching.

As to your question — have you always been educated or participated in education throughout all of your focuses — no.  You do manifest in some focuses in which you do not participate in formal education, and in which you presently would identify or label as ignorant.

PSEUDO:  Okay, I can see that.  What was my occupation, say, for example, when I was in my essence in South Africa as a white male?

ELIAS:  This individual is what you would term to be originally Dutch, and participates in an occupation as a merchant.  This individual exchanges fabrics, cloths, from different physical locations as his occupation, so to speak.

PSEUDO:  I have a couple of questions regarding some specific people that are in my life that I feel have a lot more depth than just this lifetime.  One of them is my godson, who is a 30-year-old male, and also his mother.  His mother was at one point in my husband’s ... or she still is in our life, and in my current husband’s life, in most of his childhood and all of our adulthood.

I’m wondering if there’s some connection between she and I — I feel extremely close to her — or her son and I.  Did we share him at one time?  I have a very love/hate relationship with him.  Sometimes it’s very painful.  I’m wondering if there might be something that I have done to him or to his soul in another lifetime that causes this type of relationship, where sometimes I just evoke animosity.  He’s a very troubled spirit, and I wonder if there’s some connection from before that’s manifesting itself in the present.

ELIAS:  To your first inquiry — as to the identification of this individual of your godson and his position as old or new soul, in your terms — this individual holds many focuses in this particular dimension, therefore would be, in your physical terms, designated as an old soul.

You do participate in other focuses with this individual.  There are some elements of energy that bleed through from other focuses and are being allowed to be influencing of your relationship now with this individual; not merely that you allow bleed-through, but that he allows bleed-through also, and this is partially influencing.

Another element of the influence of challenge between you within your relationship is related directly to this individual focus and each of your participations in the action of this shift in consciousness presently.

This individual that you identify as your godson rebels in some objective expressions in relation to this shift in consciousness, and restricts his energy and some elements of his movement, not allowing in some areas for a free flow of energy.  There is also a recognition inwardly with this individual that he is creating this action, which also creates a frustration.

In this, he also views some of your movement, and this is reinforcing of his recognition of the obstacles that he is placing before himself in this particular focus.  Therefore, there is a type of underlying resentment which is created.

(Firmly)  This is not your fault, and it is also not “because of” any action that you are creating.  It is the responsibility of the other individual.  He is creating his reality, and he is presenting to himself situations and imagery to be gaining his own attention.

Now; in this, let me also express to you:  You draw, each, energy from a common focus that you both participate in, in this bleed-through action, which IS influencing of your interaction with each other, but for different reasons.

He draws that energy to be reinforcing in a justification of conflict.  This is not held within objective thought process, be aware.  It is an underlying action which occurs.

PSEUDO:  And can he control it?

ELIAS:  Yes, but the manner in which he shall alter this situation is by allowing himself to be becoming aware objectively of what he is tapping into.

As to your action, you draw energy from the same participating focus.  In actuality, this is the focus that you participate within in South Africa.

In this, your purpose, so to speak, or reason for drawing that energy to you and allowing the bleed-through into this focus is that you may objectively offer yourself information to be understanding what you are creating and what you are participating within now.

Are you understanding?

PSEUDO:  Yes.

ELIAS:  Therefore, you are both drawing on energy that you participate with in this shared focus in South Africa, but you are incorporating it into this present focus in different manners.

Now; do not confuse yourself in the idea of karma.  Let me express to you that the establishment of religious beliefs throughout your globe have been created with a base element of truth, but they have also all incorporated belief systems which are distortions of those truths.

Now; two examples of the distortions of these truths are, one, reincarnation.  There is a recognition within you all that you hold more than one focus within a particular physical dimension.

PSEUDO:  You’re referring to he and I?

ELIAS:  All of you throughout your planet.  You all hold this knowledge innately, and in this, you create a belief system which expresses to you the concept of reincarnation, which is a translation in terms that you understand in relation to your experiences and your creation of linear time.

This is one example of the recognition of the truth that you do hold many manifestations, and the belief which is added to that truth, that the many manifestations move in a linear fashion.

Another example of a distortion of truth is the belief of karma.  The element in which karma is based upon in truth is that you, as an expression of essence, shall draw to you what you believe, and you shall draw to you like expressions and creations to which you are creating.

The distortion of this action is the concept of karma, in which the belief is set forth that as you create any element of harmfulness, that shall also be visited upon you, and that this is a law of the universe, which it is not.

You shall draw that to yourself, for this is what you create, but you are not locked into that action.  You merely believe that this is the natural flow of energy, and therefore this is what you create, for the truth is that you shall create what you believe, not that the cosmos or the universe, in your terms, visits these expressions upon you as lessons.  This is the element of the belief.  Now....

PSEUDO:  What is his essence?

ELIAS:  You are inquiring to essence name of this individual?

PSEUDO:  Yes. (Pause)

ELIAS:  Essence name, Keale; K-E-A-L-E. (keel)

PSEUDO:  And what was my relationship with him in this other manifestation?

ELIAS:  In this one particular physical manifestation in South Africa, as I have stated, you hold the position of a merchant, a white male.  This individual holds the position of a black male and incorporates the action of a type of servant, being a tribal individual which has chosen to be moving into township to be participating in employment.

The relationship that you establish between the two of you creates many challenges, and is not expressed in what you identify presently as kindness.  There are many expressions from both individuals of judgment and anger, not merely one individual.  Both individuals express very similarly in their individual justifications of their particular directions.  Each individual justifies themselves in their anger and their lack of kindness to each other, in their perception of injustices which are exhibited in behavior by the other.

PSEUDO:  It doesn’t sound like I was a very nice person to him, if he was my servant.

ELIAS:  Neither is he very kind to you.  As I have stated, both individuals incorporate much anger and create many challenges, and both individuals justify their behaviors to themselves.  It is not merely one individual which is expressing these types of behaviors.

PSEUDO:  And you indicated that perhaps we had been in other focuses together as well.

ELIAS:  Yes, you are correct.  I may express to you an encouragement that you allow yourself to be investigating of these other focuses.  I shall offer to you clues.

In one focus, this individual holds the role of parent to you as the mother, and you incorporate the role as the son.  You also hold another focus in which you create an expression of great affection in friendship, which extends throughout the entirety of that particular focus.  In that focus, both individuals manifest as female.

Now; as to your relationship with the individual that you identify as his mother, you hold several focuses with this individual also.

This individual you have participated with in some focuses that you would now deem to be uncomfortable or hurtful.  You also incorporate several focuses with this individual in which you create a tremendous expression of affection.

Now; this is also purposeful that you offer to yourself in THIS focus relationships with these two individuals in this time framework, that you may view the lack of absoluteness in relation to other focuses.

For in one example and situation, you draw to yourself the energy of one focus which you allow to be influencing now in challenges.

In the relationship that you hold now with the other individual, you have incorporated many challenges in other focuses, but you do not draw that energy to yourself presently in this focus in relation to this individual.  You choose in this focus to be creating an amiable and affectionate relationship.

PSEUDO:  Yes, that’s true.

ELIAS:  Therefore, you offer yourself information in relation to no absolutes, that you may understand that there is no karma in actuality, and that you may be participating in challenges and what you identify as difficulties or even hurtful actions within one focus, and that does not necessarily manifest in a karmic manner — in a repayment of debt, so to speak, or the restitution in a subsequent relationship with that same individual.  Are you understanding?

PSEUDO:  I think so.  I got a little bit lost in your last paragraph, but I think I understand what you’re saying.

ELIAS:  You present yourself with two individuals; with two very different interactions.  One creates many challenges.  Although you hold an affection for this individual, you also create conflict with this individual.

PSEUDO:  Absolutely.

ELIAS:  In this, you look to other focuses and express questions to yourself of, “What have I done?  How have I wronged this individual, that it now visits me within this focus, that I must be creating a repayment to this individual and I must be creating restitution to this individual in a karmic manner?”  But simultaneously, you hold a relationship with another individual in which you do not create these challenges.  You do not create this type of conflict, correct?

PSEUDO:  Correct.  I couldn’t handle two of those! (Laughing)

ELIAS:  But you have created other focuses with this individual also, in which you have created challenges and difficulties and hurtfulness.  Therefore, if the concept of karma were true, you would be creating this restitution and the conflict in this focus with both of them, not merely one.  But karma is merely a belief.  It is not a rule, so to speak. (Chuckling)

PSEUDO:  I understand.  I am one of those people that believes in karma.  I believe that things you do from lifetime to lifetime, that may have impacted someone else either negatively or positively, can follow you.  It’s what I believe.

ELIAS:  Quite, and I am understanding of this, and this is why we are discussing this particular subject matter, for I am expressing to you that this is not correct.  This is a belief system.

Now; I shall also express to you quite genuinely, this is not to say that you shall not create that very action, for you DO create what you believe, and if you are believing that hurtful actions shall follow you and that you shall be placing yourself in the position of restitution to those souls, in your terms, that you have harmed, you shall create this, for this is what you believe.

PSEUDO:  I see.  I don’t want to have conflict!

ELIAS:  And this is the point, and this is why I am speaking to you of this subject matter, to allow you objectively the information that you are not locked into this belief, that it IS merely a belief.

It is not an absolute.  It is not a rule of consciousness.  It is not a law of the cosmos, and you hold the freedom to choose.

You may choose to believe this action of karma and you may choose to create that, but you also may choose not to create that, and this is a tremendous freedom!

PSEUDO:  Yes.  I’ve been doing some serious searching, trying to discover if it’s worth it, or if I should just let him go and let him be who he is and not who I want him to be, and let him be responsible for himself, and me not always trying to fix him.

ELIAS:  Ah!  And I shall suggest to you presently that you listen quite seriously and attentively to the very words you have expressed now, for THIS is the most beneficial direction and the most efficient direction that you may be incorporating.

This shall also offer you more freedom, offer him more freedom in your expression of acceptance, and it shall eliminate much of your conflict, and it shall be influencing in eliminating elements of his conflict.

What you have expressed now, in allowing yourself to discontinue holding responsibility for his creations — for you do not hold responsibility for his creations — in creating within yourself an acceptance of yourself and of the other individual, in recognizing that you create your reality, he creates his reality.

PSEUDO:  He seems to be such a troubled spirit, and I’m just wondering if he’s going to find any peace in this lifetime.

ELIAS:  This is his choice.

Realize objectively, regardless of your perception and regardless of your assessment of what any other individual creates within their focus, they are creating their reality.  It is purposeful and it is beneficial.

It matters not that you assess it to be difficult, unnecessary, broken, sad.  What holds importance is that the other individual is creating their reality in the most beneficial manner and quite purposefully, regardless of your understanding objectively.

PSEUDO:  Are we going to have a peaceful co-existence in this lifetime?

ELIAS:  This is also dependent upon your choices.

If you are allowing yourself movement into the very expression that you have offered to me — in an acceptance of the other individual, in an acceptance of yourself, in a realization that no element of this individual’s focus is broken and therefore needs not be fixed, and that you do not hold responsibility for the creations of this other individual — in actualizing in reality those ideas, yes, you shall lessen and even eliminate many expressions of your conflict with this individual in this focus.

But as you continue to move in the direction — in the camouflage of concern and compassion — in wishing to be fixing what you perceive to be broken in this individual, you shall merely perpetuate the conflict that you are creating.

PSEUDO:  Okay, I agree.

ELIAS:  Let me offer to you one more statement in relation to this situation that you may contemplate.

Each time you are expressing what you camouflage to be compassion or concern for this individual, and the wish to be helpful, to be fixing what you view to be wrong, this is an expression of camouflage, for in actuality, each time you move your attention and your energy in that direction, the reason you are creating conflict is that you are discounting the other individual.

You are expressing inwardly to yourself that you shall create this individual’s reality for them better than they are creating it themselves, and in that, you are discounting of them....

PSEUDO:  I understand.  I try not to do that, but it’s just that I can look at him and I can see, for me physically, I can see what he has the potential to be, but he has not discovered that yet, and I guess I just need to let him do that on his own.  Is he going to be able to have ... is he going to get it together in this lifetime?

ELIAS:  (Grinning)  Shall he “get it together” in this....

PSEUDO:  I understand.  That’s an older phrase....

ELIAS:  I am understanding! (Laughing)

I may express to you, this is relative to the assessment of your perception.  Within his perception, yes.  Within your perception, it is dependent upon your movement now.

PSEUDO:  Were he and I ever husband and wife?  You said we were mother and son, only he was the mother and I was the son.

ELIAS:  You do hold a focus in which you participate in intimacy in a romantic relationship, although you are not incorporating the institution of marriage.

PSEUDO:  Okay, and his mother, which she and I are having a very peaceful co-existence this time around, what is her essence name, physical name? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Essence name, Ghi; G-H-I. (jee)

PSEUDO:  And is she also of the African or South African manifestation?

ELIAS:  Yes, this individual does participate in that focus also.

PSEUDO:  Could you tell me what century that was? (Pause)

ELIAS:  This may be identified within the time framework of your 18th century. (Pause)

PSEUDO:  I have two more ... I don’t know how much time we have left.  I have two more persons I’d like to inquire about, and it might take too much time at this moment.

One is my husband of 27 years, and the other is a friend that has been in my life and that has been a very dear friend for 29 years.  He and I, I know go further back than this lifetime for sure.  My husband I’m not sure of.  We have a good relationship, we’ve had a long relationship, and for the most part, it’s been extremely pleasant and fairly conflict-free until recently.

ELIAS:  I shall express to you validation, in that with your partner, you participate in several other focuses.  With this other individual that you identify as your friend, you participate in many focuses together.

PSEUDO:  I could tell.  Have they all been harmonious?

ELIAS:  Not all, but many of them, yes.  Many of them you have created in what you would term to be close relationships.

PSEUDO:  I feel like I was either his sister or his wife or someone extremely, extremely close.

ELIAS:  As I have stated, you participate in many focuses with this individual, and in this you have created, for the most part, intimate relationships with this individual.  You have chosen to be creating many different types of expressions of intimate relationships.  Therefore, you have participated as partners, as lovers, as siblings, as child and parent in reversing roles.  You have also created intimacy in friendships.  You have explored many different expressions of relationships with this individual.

PSEUDO:  Yes, he’s definitely a very important person, a loving person in my life, as well as is my husband.  This is just another question in general.  Do the same spirits find one another from lifetime to lifetime?  I mean, is that what they do?  They stumble onto one another again?

ELIAS:  No.  Be remembering, all of your focuses are occurring simultaneously.  Therefore, essences group together and choose to be manifesting what you may term to be numbers of focuses together.

You are not “finding” each other throughout your linear time or throughout your eternity, so to speak.  The focuses are created all simultaneously.  Therefore, the essences non-physically group together and choose, in accordance with their directions and their explorations, what they shall be manifesting and in which manners they shall manifest focuses of attention.  It is quite precise and intentional that focuses are created in the manner that they are.

Now; as to the individual focuses, each focus holds its own choices also.  Therefore, the essences may manifest many focuses together simultaneously, and each focus of attention shall choose its interaction in that particular focus.

PSEUDO:  So this is why sometimes my relationship with my godson is loving, warm, hateful, caring, uncaring....

ELIAS:  Quite, for you are not locked....

PSEUDO:  It’s that all of these focuses or all of these essences are coming through at the same time.

ELIAS:  Yes, and you are not locked into the expressions of destiny or karma.  Therefore, there is a fluctuation of energy.  You always hold choice.

PSEUDO:  Okay.  As far as my husband goes, what is his name, out of curiosity?  I would really like to know the essence physical name of both he and my friend that I’ve known for 29 years in this lifetime.

ELIAS:  Essence name of your partner, Centeel; C-E-N-T-E-E-L. (sen-teel’)  Essence name of your friend, Jachet; J-A-C-H-E-T. (zhah-say’)

PSEUDO:  That’s very close to his name now. (Elias chuckles)

Okay, I think I’m at a loss.  I have so much information, and now I’m going to have to digest it.  I guess it’s a good thing that we are taping it.

ELIAS:  Very well.  We shall be discontinuing for this day, and you may allow yourself to be assimilating information.  I shall be offering energy to you in encouragement in your challenge in relation to this individual of your godson.

PSEUDO:  Yes, thank you.

ELIAS:  You are quite welcome.  I offer to you today great affection, and anticipate our continued interaction.

PSEUDO:  Thank you.

ELIAS:  To you, lovingly, au revoir.

PSEUDO:  Au revoir.

Elias departs at 10:25 AM.

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