Friday, March 3, 2000
© 2000 (Private/Phone)
Participants:  Mary (Michael) and Leslie (Margaret).
Elias arrives at 12:43 PM. (Arrival time is 26 seconds)

ELIAS:  Good morning!

LESLIE:  Good morning. (Elias chuckles)  Well, we’re here again!

I need to ask you a question.  Last time we had a session, when we hung up, I was so mad at you, and I don’t understand why.  I mean, I was ... well, you know.  I was really mad!  I didn’t speak to you for a while, and then I got the tape and I listened to it, and there was nothing on the tape, absolutely nothing that I heard on the tape that would’ve done that!  I didn’t understand what my anger was from, and once I listened to the tape, just like when you snap your fingers, a second later it was gone.  I wasn’t mad anymore.  Why was I so angry?

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha!  You experienced this response, for within our conversation and our interaction at that time, I offered to you challenges, and in this, you responded in a type of anger which was motivated from an element of disappointment.

There was an aspect of disappointment that I had not freely offered to you information that you held an expectation of and were anticipating, and in this offered you the challenge, which your response was irritation in my challenging of you, and therefore your perception that you need be challenging yourself, which you also viewed as involving effort and what you term to be work, and this created an irritation within yourself.

But as you allowed yourself to assimilate that information subjectively, and as you moved into that action naturally regardless, and as you allowed yourself to be once again objectively reviewing the interaction that we engaged together, you also allowed yourself to hear the playfulness in which the challenge was offered.

LESLIE:  You’re talking about my intent?

ELIAS:  Yes.

LESLIE:  Oh, you mean I had a tantrum?

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha!  Very good!

LESLIE:  Yeah, well ... oh boy!  Ooo, I had a tantrum! (Laughing)  Shame on me!  Oh, nah ... we aren’t gonna go there either!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha!

LESLIE:  I try not to do those kinds of things, but you know, we’re here in physical and stuff just happens, huh? (Elias chuckles)  Okay, alright.  So that’s what it was.  I wasn’t sure what it was ... well, actually, I didn’t think of that!  I thought maybe it was another question I’d asked.  So I had a tantrum.  ‘Cause I was really mad!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha!

LESLIE:  And then I listened to the tape, and it was funny, and then I go, “Hi Elias!  I’m back!” (Laughing, and Elias chuckles)

Okay, we might as well just start with that, then.  You know, it’s hard to figure stuff out.  It’s hard!  My intent — we might as well work on that and get that out of the way.  All I could think of is — and I’m not sure — is that I create things in extreme. (Brief pause)

ELIAS:  Continue.

LESLIE:  You know, mentally, physically, emotionally.  When I do things, they’re always extremes.  Is that my intent, to keep doing that?  Or is the intent to learn NOT to do that?

ELIAS:  Ah!  The intent is not necessarily to be creating or not creating extreme.  This is the action or the method in which you are choosing to be manifesting your reality.  Therefore, you are allowing yourself to view how you manifest.

Now offer to me your impression of WHAT you are creating, what direction you move in within your focus.

LESLIE:  When I looked back over my lifetime, the thing that stood out the most for me is the interaction with other individuals, and who I draw to me, and it’s always been the same.  Now before, it was directly in my life, you know, like part of my household or whatever, real close proximity.  I still do the same thing, only I draw them in from outside so I can shut the door every so often on them, I guess.  But that’s been one thing that’s been common throughout.

ELIAS:  Now; in this type of interaction, move another step further in that commonality, and express to me what you view through your impression that is your direction, or in your terms, your reason for this action.

LESLIE:  My instinct is to say that I’m crazy! (Laughing)

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha!

LESLIE:  Why else would somebody do this?  It’s extremely agitating!  I mean, it’s extremely exhausting, you know?

ELIAS:  Allow yourself the recognition that every intent within physical focus is a direction of exploration.

LESLIE:  Oh.

ELIAS:  Therefore, look to the actions and the creations that you have consistently displayed throughout your focus, and this offers you information as to how you manifest, and as you recognize these actions or patterns or similarities or repeated movements in a direction, allow yourself to be inquiring of yourself, what is your direction of exploration?  What are you exploring?  For your intent is your action, your avenue of exploration. (Pause)

Now, attempt.

LESLIE:  (Sighing)  I just don’t understand why I would create such havoc! (Elias chuckles)  And that’s what it always ends up being.  Each time, though, as I look back too, I could’ve chosen not to get involved with that direction.  I could’ve changed direction.  Each time, I made a conscious ... I went into it.  Just like the finger.

ELIAS:  Correct.

LESLIE:  Okay.  Each time, I knew, you know ... well, maybe at the beginning I didn’t notice it so much, but afterwards, I did notice the difference and I continued that action, but I don’t understand why I would do that!

ELIAS:  All that you create within your physical focus, in conjunction with your value fulfillment, is an exploration.

Now; in the exploration, you ARE fulfilling your intent.  The intent is the underlying direction, the avenue that you choose to be motivating to you in your exploration.

Now; as you manifest many, many examples to yourself of interactions in extremes with other individuals, you also allow yourself the incorporation of mirror actions that allow you to view your own movement.

In this, the intent that you move within in this particular focus is to be examining the uniqueness of expressions — and simultaneously viewing the similarities of expressions — within different individuals.

Now; you choose to be creating this in extreme, for this offers you objectively a clearer example and a clearer challenge of viewing the uniqueness and therefore what you assess to be differences between yourself and other individuals or between other individuals, but it also offers you the challenge of recognizing the similarities simultaneously, and this is your avenue of exploration.

You choose, as I have stated, the extreme, for this offers you an element of clarity in the picture, so to speak.  It leaves little expression in vagueness.

LESLIE:  That’s for sure!

ELIAS:  It offers you the opportunity to clearly view behaviors, expressions, choices, perceptions of other individuals, and the uniqueness of their expression, and in that viewing, you also offer yourself the opportunity to view the mirror action within yourself.  This allows you the exploration in recognizing that each individual manifest within your dimension does hold a unique expression, does hold a unique perception, but also exhibits similarities to each other, and this is what is creating of the mirror actions.

This is what you have chosen as your particular exploration.  Therefore, this is your intent.

LESLIE:  Okay, now I need to clarify a few things, and of course I’m going to have to listen to this a dozen times.  The people I bring into my life, the mirror action ... I’m not sure that I ... in fact, I know I don’t know exactly what that means.  Does that mean that the people I’m bringing into my life are a reflection of myself?

ELIAS:  In many manners, yes.

LESLIE:  Oh shit.

ELIAS:  The expressions, the manifestations that they offer in their creations of their reality, are mirror images to different elements that you express within your reality.

LESLIE:  That makes me sad.

ELIAS:  Now; one moment.  Do not move yourself into the expression of discounting or chastising, for this is not a negative.

I am not expressing to you that you draw to yourself an individual that may be creating extremes within their focus and may be creating many elements that you assess to be negative, and that the entirety of their focus is mirroring to you your own focus.  This is not the point, and this is not what you are creating.

Within each individual, there may be one expression, one element that they may be exhibiting and expressing within their energy that may mirror some element within yourself.  Your expression may be quite different, but underlyingly, the motivation for your expression may be quite similar.

THIS is the action of the exploration.  It is what you may term to be an adventure!  It is an exploration.

You are allowing yourself to be interactive with other individuals that are creating manifestations within their focus in extremes, and you draw yourself to participate with these individuals, that you may allow yourself to recognize — hear this, Margaret — to recognize the uniqueness of their expression, for their expression IS unique, and it is their reality.

You are allowing yourself to view this unique expression of how they create their reality, that you may also allow yourself to view the similarities in other expressions that you AND other individuals also create, not merely that you create singularly.  But this offers you the opportunity to view the similarities that you ALL hold in some expressions.  They may be manifest differently — you may be choosing different types of imagery to be manifesting your expressions — but underlyingly, the motivations may be quite similar.

Now; each of you within physical focus, as you are aware, hold an individual intent, and that individual intent is your individual, unique avenue that you choose to be exploring this physical reality.

That intent which you individually hold also moves in relation to other actions that you create — other information that you offer to yourself, other movements that you create, other explorations that you create — such as, you also create a movement in widening your awareness, familiarizing yourself with self, and addressing to your belief systems in conjunction with this shift in consciousness.

This action is not singularly your individual intent in this focus, but it is another action that you engage in this focus.  You also incorporate elements of the intents of the essence families that you belong to and that you align with.  All of these actions offer you different expressions of experiences and different avenues of exploration.

Your individual intent within your focus is that which moves you singularly in your own expression of interest, in a manner of speaking.  Therefore, be not saddened that you engage this type of action throughout your focus, but rather allow yourself to view the tremendous opportunity that you present to yourself in what you draw to yourself naturally.

You naturally draw yourself to these types of interactions, to these types of scenarios and creations and interactions with other individuals, and this offers you tremendous opportunities to familiarize yourself with yourself, which offers you, in turn, in a manner of speaking, the opportunity to be viewing more of your individual choices, which offers you the expression of more freedom.

It also offers you the opportunity to recognize in objective terms, in objective awareness, the differences in perceptions of other individuals and the uniqueness of expression and creations of other individuals, which validates the uniqueness of yourself, which is wondrous!

In this, you also allow yourself the opportunity to reinforce your acceptance of self and your ability to be expressing an acceptance of other individuals within the differences.

LESLIE:  Okay, I think it’s clearer now.

I don’t know if this makes a difference, but it does to me.  I don’t know what part of me is real ... and I don’t mean it like that.  You know what I’m trying to say — you’ll have to clarify it to everybody.

When I disengage, what or who am I?  I mean, what part of me is just my beliefs — do you know what I’m saying? — and then what part of me do I take with me?  I take all the experiences, I’m sure.  I don’t know ... do you know what I’m trying to say?

ELIAS:  Yes.

LESLIE:  Okay.  There’s some things here, like my strong reaction to these individuals that I purposefully bring into my life.  In other words, can’t I view these extremes without the emotional stress of it, you know?  ‘Cause it gets to wear on you!  And is that who I am?  When I leave here, am I this ... well, there isn’t emotions in a lot of other places, huh?  Emotions are here, right, in physical?

ELIAS:  Yes.

LESLIE:  So in other words, the emotional thing is part of physical.

ELIAS:  Yes.

LESLIE:  It’s a part of the physical focus, correct?

ELIAS:  Yes.

LESLIE:  (Sighing)  Oh!  That means ... whew!  So this doesn’t go with us, except the experience.

ELIAS:  Let me express to you, Margaret, one of the reasons, in a manner of speaking, that you as individuals within physical focus struggle so very intensely with the manifestation and the expression of emotions is that you rail against them so very strongly.  You place very strong judgments upon the emotional expressions that you exhibit or that you create.

In this, you respond many times in the incorporation of emotional qualities to many elements within your reality.  You also respond to many elements within your reality in the manifestation of thoughts.

Now; let us view these two elements, these two creations within your reality, in a slightly different manner.

Let us view your physical senses.  You respond to fragrances and odors within your physical senses.  In this, you may hold or create or choose a preference concerning certain fragrances or odors.  But the engagement of your physical sense of smell is an automatic action of input of information in objective terms.

Your emotions and your thoughts are the same — they are inputs of information.

As you view physically through your sense of sight, you allow yourself input of information, and in that input of information, you create a physical stimulation.

Now; you may quite easily express to yourself that this is merely an input of information or a physical stimulation.  Any offering, any engagement of your physical senses — your sight, your taste, your touch, your smell, your hearing — any engagement of these physical senses is a stimulation and is an input of information ... or is an interaction in energy with your physical dimension, your physical creation of your physical universe, your physical reality, and you may look to any of this interaction of your physical senses and not necessarily view it automatically as good or bad, but merely as an interaction of stimulation; sense data; information.

Your thoughts and your emotions may be viewed in a very similar manner.  In themselves, they are a stimulation.  They are an interaction with yourself and what you create within your reality.  They are not good or bad.  They are merely an interaction with your reality, and they are an offering of information.

Therefore, what I am expressing to you is that you create a tremendous expression of conflict in relation to thoughts and emotions as you move in the direction of creating judgments concerning those thoughts and emotions, rather than viewing them as interactions with your reality and offerings of information.

You interact with other individuals, and you express that this creates emotional responses which are fatiguing of you and wearing upon you.  They are fatiguing and wearing upon you, for you create automatic responses in the response to those emotional expressions.

You automatically hold to your energy and view that you need be protective of your energy, for the interaction that you engage with the other individual may be, in a manner of speaking, infectious to you, and you reinforce this in your creation of emotional response.

LESLIE:  So I can still have the same interaction that I’ve always had if I can learn to look at this objectively and as an experience, and without judgment of another person’s choices?

ELIAS:  Yes.

LESLIE:  Okay, so my own emotional upheaval and the stress and the wear and tear on me is created by me because I place an automatic judgment on their creations and the way they’re doing things?

ELIAS:  Yes.

LESLIE:  Aha!  Okay!  Gosh, how simple! (Laughing)  But you know, it’s so easy to get caught up in it, and all the information just kind of goes out the window when you start getting into a tailspin.  When you said to me ... you said I wasn’t listening and you told me, “Be paying attention!”  Is this what you were referring to?

ELIAS:  Yes.

LESLIE:  Okay.  There was a part of me that thought if I changed that, that meant automatic disengagement.

ELIAS:  No.

LESLIE:  Oh, okay.  So it isn’t ... okay!  But that helped a whole lot.  Now, putting it into practice may be another thing entirely.  That’s another whole thing, but....

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha ha!  And this would be the operative word — practice!  Ha ha ha ha!

LESLIE:  Yes, but it could be accomplished, and that’s the point.  I mean, I guess that’s what I really wanted to know.  Can I change the way I handle the input?

ELIAS:  Yes.

LESLIE:  And then it would create less stress and havoc in my life.

ELIAS:  Yes, you are correct.

LESLIE:  Okay.  Oh, that’s way good!  Whew!

ELIAS:  Hold your attention with self. (Emphatically)

LESLIE:  Okay.

ELIAS:  As you project your attention outward to other individuals, you also are not paying attention to self, and as you are not paying attention to self, you are projecting judgments outwardly to other individuals.

LESLIE:  That’s a very, very hard one.  I mean, it sounds very simple, but it’s kind of one of those automatic responses.

ELIAS:  Yes, you are correct.

LESLIE:  Yeah, it’s very easy to see somebody that I would consider to be making a mess of things and think, “Why are you doing this?” when it’s really none of my business why they’re doing it! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles)  It has nothing to do with me per se.  It’s what they are creating.  It’s their creation, and that’s the end of it.

ELIAS:  Quite.

LESLIE:  Okay.  Well, at least I have a direction to work on now.  That made me feel a whole lot better! (Elias chuckles)  Okay, so that’s what that meant.

Okay, you said or you had mentioned several times about changing perception.  Now, is this something that occurs when we widen our awareness and gain more understanding?  Is this something that automatically happens?

ELIAS:  In part.  As you widen your awareness, your perception does automatically alter, and this is quite affecting.

I may express to you that you also hold the ability to be intentionally, purposefully altering your perception, and the manner in which you alter your perception is by holding your attention within the now, as we have discussed previously, and holding your attention with self.

LESLIE:  Okay.  I think I got away from that just a little bit, and then I got in a tailspin.

ELIAS:  Be remembering of what we have been discussing within this conversation and in the identification of your intent in this focus.

In this, you are allowing yourself to recognize, each individual’s perception is unique.  It is as a fingerprint.  Each individual holds their own design of fingerprints which is not duplicated by any other individual upon your planet throughout all of your time frameworks.  No two are identical.

In this, no two individuals hold the same perception, and perception is the element of you that creates your reality.  Therefore, if each individual’s perception is highly unique and individualized, each individual’s reality is also highly unique and individualized.

This also is the expression of no absolutes, and as you allow yourself to recognize this reality, you also may allow yourself to hold your attention within self and not project the expectation to other individuals that they hold the same perception as you.  Are you understanding?

LESLIE:  Yes, but you know what?  It keeps coming back to acceptance.

ELIAS:  Quite!

LESLIE:  I mean, that’s such a little big word! (Laughing)

ELIAS:  This is the base line.

LESLIE:  Yes.  Acceptance, period — of self, of other individuals, of situations, of life in general ...

ELIAS:  Of beliefs.

LESLIE:  ... as we know it right here.

ELIAS:  Yes.

LESLIE:  And you know, when somebody puts another thought in my head, like “don’t put your shoes on the table, it’s bad luck” or something, jesus, I don’t wanna hear that!  I don’t need any more of that kind of information in my head to have to get rid of or to neutralize or whatever we do.  Because we’ve been raised that way!  I mean, ever since birth, there’s all these concepts and everything else we’ve been raised with, and now all of a sudden, we’re changing all that.

ELIAS:  Yes, and this be the reason that you are experiencing trauma in the action of this shift, for it is quite unfamiliar to you.

LESLIE:  It is.  Surprisingly enough, it’s not as easy as one would think. (Elias chuckles)  Especially if you get like emotional about something.  That’s one of the worst, or any kind of anger.  I don’t care whether it’s anger or bliss.  Everything goes out the window!

ELIAS:  I shall offer to you that as you do incorporate a tremendous strength in beliefs concerning emotions, you also do incorporate tremendous difficulty in the movement into acceptance.

LESLIE:  Well, that explains ... ‘cause I was gonna ask you about my automatic response to people when they knock at my door.  Now, if I’m out and about and somebody stops me and we talk or whatever, I don’t have a problem with that.  But when somebody knocks at my door and I have to open it and this interaction occurs, I have an automatic ... it’s just off the chart upset right from the gate.  So because that’s what I’m doing, and then what my intent is ... it’s learning to just accept their reality and just leave them to their stuff.  Let them do their own thing.

ELIAS:  But also, be remembering, leave yourself to your own thing also, without judgment.

LESLIE:  Oh, that’s true.

ELIAS:  Do not be discounting of yourself.

LESLIE:  Okay.  Let’s see.  I want to ask you, the more information we receive and we incorporate into our life in physical focus, does that determine the length of time in transition after we disengage?

ELIAS:  At times.  It is dependent upon the direction that you engage in your assimilation of information, and which information you are offering to yourself.  You are continuously offering yourself information.  This is not to say that you may be offering yourself information concerning transition.

LESLIE:  Oh.

ELIAS:  At times, yes, you are offering yourself information that may lessen your engagement of the action of transition....

LESLIE:  But I thought transition was the process of eliminating our beliefs.

ELIAS:  It is.

LESLIE:  Okay, but the acknowledgment now ... you know, there’s so many people that don’t even understand that much.  So wouldn’t that be easier?

ELIAS:  You may be moving through your focus within this physical dimension and you may be offering yourself much information, and that information may be a reinforcement continuously of the belief systems that you hold.

LESLIE:  Oh, okay.

ELIAS:  Therefore, it shall not be lessening your action within transition.

LESLIE:  Okay.

ELIAS:  Or, you may be offering yourself information within your physical focus which moves you into an acceptance of your belief systems, which neutralizes your belief systems and offers you a recognition of these belief systems, and in that action, you shall be affecting of the action of transition and not incorporating as much strength in that action of transition that you may be incorporating if you are continually reinforcing those belief systems that you hold.

You may also be affecting of the action of transition nonphysically if you are choosing to be incorporating the action of transition while you are continuing within physical focus.

LESLIE:  I think you said I was in transition.

ELIAS:  Yes, I have expressed this to you.  This action also lends to a lessening of the incorporation of transition nonphysically.

LESLIE:  Okay.  Oh, shoot.  I lost the thought.  I was going to ask you a question and lost it.  I don’t quite understand ... okay, when we disengage ... for all I know, I could have already disengaged and I don’t know how I’m talking to you!  Do you know what I’m saying?  Because the instant I disengage, I could be right back where I am right this very second, couldn’t I, and not even knowing that I had?

ELIAS:  Yes.

LESLIE:  Do you know what I’m trying to say?

ELIAS:  Yes.

LESLIE:  Okay, so then I would be in the same place I’m at right now!

ELIAS:  Although you shall, in a manner of speaking, eventually be noticing of that, for there are inconsistencies which occur as you create imagery within a nonphysical expression in a projection of physical imagery.  You are merely creating what may be likened to a hologram of physical interactions.  It is an imitation, in a manner of speaking, and it is created entirely through your individual perception.  Therefore, there shall be inconsistencies, for as you move within the interaction of physical focus, you also engage other individuals which incorporate differences in perceptions.

You hold your perception, which is your reality, of all of reality, but that may be challenged at times in the interaction of other individuals, for their perception is different.  There shall be no challenge of your perception in the creation of imagery once you have disengaged physical focus, for you are no longer interactive with the actual physical focus.  Therefore, you are no longer actually participating with other individuals physically focused.  You are merely creating a reproduction, so to speak, of that imagery, and it is being produced entirely through the creation of your perception.  There is no challenge of other individuals’ perceptions, and this shall appear as inconsistent with what you know of physical reality.

LESLIE:  Well, essence is more complex than we can even possibly comprehend.  We don’t even have a clue!  It’s very complex.

ELIAS:  Presently, you are correct.

LESLIE:  Oh yes.  Okay, I think ... now, I need you to clarify this or let me know for sure if I’m thinking of this right.  I’m viewing, as a whole, physical focus is nothing more than a game, and nothing here is real.  Well, no no no ... okay, let me clarify that too!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha!

LESLIE:  It is real because I’ve created it, but as far as essence is concerned, this is a game.  It’s a chess board or whatever you want to call it, and I’m just participating in this particular game, along with all the beliefs and all the rest of it.  It’s merely a game.

ELIAS:  In a manner of speaking, it is a game.  It is not an illusion, and it is quite real.

LESLIE:  Oh yeah!

ELIAS:  It is a focus of attention and it is an exploration of self, of consciousness, for this is the action of consciousness, to be continuously exploring itself, to be continuously within a state of becoming.  Therefore, in a manner of speaking, you are correct.  It is a focus of attention, and it is a game.

LESLIE:  Okay, now if essence is ... I think of essence as being all-intelligent or all-knowing.  How come ... Mary said you had answered this question, but I need to ask it anyway.  When we disengage, why doesn’t essence automatically just assimilate and sort out everything in one whack? (Short pause)

ELIAS:  You ARE all of essence.  This is not a situation of sorting out, or even assimilating.  You are continuously assimilating in each moment.

This is a focus of attention.  You are all of essence NOW.  You are engaged in all actions NOW.  It is not what shall be created futurely.  You are already creating it NOW.  You are merely allowing yourself to view one focus of attention.

LESLIE:  Okay, let me ask you a question.  The part of Elias that was in physical focus, is any part of you still in transition?

ELIAS:  In a manner of speaking, yes.

LESLIE:  But not who I’m talking to right now.

ELIAS:  Correct.

LESLIE:  Okay ... and that’s what I’m saying, that there’s a part of Margaret ... I’m a part of Margaret, as all of my other focuses are a part of Margaret, and whatever else she is doing in other dimensions or whatever.

ELIAS:  That IS all of you presently. (Leslie sighs)

What you speak to with Elias presently in this moment is one area of attention, one aspect of attention of this essence, and you incorporate the interaction with the entirety of the essence, for you are the entirety of essence also, and all of essence incorporates all of consciousness.  There is no separation.

I may express to you that I, as Elias, am a personality essence, a definition of energy of consciousness in individuality and uniqueness, and I may also simultaneously express to you that in your engagement in speaking to myself, you are speaking to yourself, for it is all consciousness, and there is no separation in consciousness or in essence.

These are confusing areas for you to be incorporating within your thought processes in physical focus, for you are creating a thought process which is familiar to you in the translation of energy which moves in relation to what you know in this physical dimension.

Therefore, all that I express to you becomes filtered through what you know and what you are familiar with within this particular physical dimension, for this is the focus of attention.  But simultaneous to that focus of attention is also the entirety of essence and consciousness.  It is not separated from you.

Therefore, there is no element to be “absorbed back into” through death or transition, and there is no alteration or assimilation to be expressed, for you already are accomplishing all of these actions simultaneously.

As I have stated previously, look to your physical form.  Look to your physical body and all of the different functions that it expresses and accomplishes simultaneously.  All of these functions are a direction of attention.  They all occur simultaneously, and they are all you.

LESLIE:  Okay. (Sighing)  First of all, I probably need to stay away from stuff that I’m not going to be able to comprehend, at this point in time, in any case.

ELIAS:  HA HA!

LESLIE:  Well, it serves to pull my attention away from what I need to be paying attention to, but at the same time, I will ask you one question.  I don’t know how you’re going to answer this simply, but I’m a little confused.  I don’t understand.  In my mind, essence is all-knowing.  Is that correct?

ELIAS:  I shall express to you, what is all-knowing? (Grinning)

LESLIE:  (Laughing)  Well, I guess I want to know ... I don’t understand the point of essence, like physical focus and other dimensions ... I don’t understand the purpose of doing this.

ELIAS:  And I shall respond to you quite simply.  Were essence or consciousness to be all-knowing — in the definition that you hold within physical focus — why shall it explore?

LESLIE:  Ah!  So, the process of becoming is ... can we use the word “learning” at the same time?

ELIAS:  It is not learning.

LESLIE:  Oh.

ELIAS:  It is exploring.

LESLIE:  Oh.  Well, I think that’s about all we need to discuss about that.  I think that’s way too deep. (Laughing)

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha!

LESLIE:  Yeah, really!

ELIAS:  Very well!

LESLIE:  I’ve got enough to do right here with this one little focus!

ELIAS:  Very well.

LESLIE:  Okay, let’s see ... but that did help! (Elias chuckles)  It did.  At least I have a ... you know, it’s terrible, our methods, but at least I have term to put with it now — exploring.  I understand that word! (Elias chuckles)  Exploring — I do understand that word.  Whew!  Boy, this has been an intense session, hasn’t it?

ELIAS:  And you hold much information to be assimilating and to be practicing with.

LESLIE:  Now, as we speak, we not only speak verbally, but is there not an energy exchange going on at the same time?

ELIAS:  Yes, you are correct.

LESLIE:  Okay, so that’s why, when I speak to you, the information you give me is clear as a bell, and then it starts to like fade a little bit.  Do you know what I’m trying to say?

ELIAS:  Yes.  There is a subjective and an objective interaction which is occurring, and I am engaging an energy exchange with you as we speak.

LESLIE:  And that helps me to assimilate the information?

ELIAS:  Temporarily, yes.

LESLIE:  I know! (Cracking up)  That’s true! (Elias chuckles)  Yeah, I know.  It’s kind of like a dream.  At first it’s very clear for a few days, and then it like fades, and you kind of lose it.

ELIAS:  But you do not lose it!

LESLIE:  Well, okay. (Laughing)  Leave it to you to get technical! (Elias chuckles)  Okay....

ELIAS:  I shall be expressing to you, Margaret, that we shall be disengaging, and I shall be offering Michael a respite presently.

LESLIE:  Okay.

ELIAS:  In this, I offer to you great encouragement, for you are creating movement in your widening of your awareness, and you are allowing yourself, quite in relation and harmony with this shift in consciousness, not merely the assimilation of information, but the opportunity to be redefining your terms and therefore redefining your reality, and this is the action of this shift.

In this, I offer to you encouragement and acknowledgment, and I anticipate our continued interaction and playfulness! (Laughing)

LESLIE:  Okay!  Thank you very, very much.

ELIAS:  You are quite welcome.  I offer to you tremendous affection, and express to you this day, au revoir.

LESLIE:  Bye.

Elias departs at 1:53 PM.

FOOTNOTES:

(1)  I have changed three words in the following phrase: “You are allowing yourself to be interactive...”  It was originally stated, “Your allowance of yourself to be interactive...”

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