Saturday, October 23, 1999
© 2000 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Rodney (Zacharie).
Elias arrives at 1:52 PM. (Arrival time is 15 seconds)
ELIAS: Good afternoon, Zacharie!
RODNEY: Good afternoon, Elias! How are you?
ELIAS: Ha ha! As always!
RODNEY: (Laughing) I love that answer! (Elias chuckles)
Mary and I just talked for over an hour. It’s almost like I used
up all my time talking to her instead of talking to you!
ELIAS: HA HA! And Michael expresses that I may be long-winded!
(Rodney cracks up, and Elias chuckles)
RODNEY: Well, you’re not the only one who likes to talk! (Laughing)
There’s a couple of questions I have. When you told me that I
had 1014 focuses ... I want to ask you if I understand this correctly.
My essence has had 1014 focuses on this planet, and that incorporates all
time, and when I say this planet, I mean this dimension.
ELIAS: Correct.
RODNEY: And that’s the sum total of my essence experience on this
planet, in this dimension.
ELIAS: Correct.
RODNEY: Is that a correct understanding of what you’re saying?
ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.
RODNEY: Okay. Do I have other
focuses on the planet at this time?
ELIAS: Yes.
RODNEY: Approximately how many of those would be in existence
today? (Pause)
ELIAS: You hold four focuses of essence within this time framework
in totality; therefore, three other focuses of essence and yourself.
RODNEY: I see. Three others, and me. My understanding
is that we rarely get to meet these other focuses, and I assume that’s
true of myself. I do not know any of these other three, do I?
ELIAS: You are correct.
RODNEY: Would there be any value in my knowing approximately who
and where they are? I’m kind of curious about it.
ELIAS: The value may be merely in the satisfaction of your curiosity,
but not necessarily in the affectingness of yourself within this particular
focus.
I shall express to you that as always, it may be beneficial to any individual
to be availing themselves of information in the direction of any of their
focuses, regardless that they be within the same time framework, for any
information that you offer to yourself within any time framework offers
you more of an understanding of yourself and of essence and of the whole
of you, so to speak.
But as to the direct affectingness [of] any of these other focuses [that]
may be engaged with you yourself within this particular time framework,
they may not be quite as affecting objectively of you as those focuses
which may be held in other time frameworks which hold more of a similarity
in tone to yourself.
RODNEY: Okay. That’s what I was curious about — whether
or not the ones who are present in this present moment would not have a
greater ease of transmitting information and energy back and forth with
me, for instance.
ELIAS: Not necessarily.
RODNEY: You’re saying it may be just the opposite. I may
have a greater affinity to focuses in other time periods.
ELIAS: Quite.
Let me also express to you that in this subject matter, were you to
physically meet objectively another focus of your essence from a different
time framework that holds a similarity in tone to yourself, you would most
probably experience a type of affinity in relation to that individual.
You would hold an immediate identification, and you would experience a
type of draw to that individual.
Whereas were you to physically, objectively meet another focus of your
essence which is manifest within this same time framework now, you would
not necessarily objectively recognize that same affinity.
You may objectively pass by that individual and experience no draw to
them, for the tone is slightly different. The directions, generally
speaking, are quite different, for it is more efficient for essence to
be focusing different manifestations within one time framework in very
different directions. This offers diversity within experiences.
It would be quite redundant for the essence to be focusing several manifestations
or focuses of itself within one time framework that are all experiencing
very similar directions and assimilating very similar experiences.
RODNEY: I understand that. Could you tell me where one of
these other three is, maybe the most dissimilar, just to satisfy my curiosity?
Maybe the location on the planet?
ELIAS: One other physical manifestation which holds a very dissimilar
direction to yourself is physically manifest within the location of the
continent of Africa.
RODNEY: Okay. Is it a man or a woman?
ELIAS: Male.
RODNEY: Male. What’s he interested in? (Pause)
ELIAS: Objective direction is quite limited to the physical experiences
that are created by himself and within a very small sphere of other individuals
which occupy his same tribe, so to speak.
RODNEY: Okay.
ELIAS: There is a tremendous direction of focusing attention in
the area of physical expressions.
RODNEY: Alright. There’s not much contemplation.
ELIAS: No.
RODNEY: Okay, it’s more immediate.
ELIAS: Your assessment within your belief systems would be to
evaluate that this individual’s existence is quite boring!
RODNEY: Okay! (Laughing) Alright!
ELIAS: (Chuckling) Although his perception of his manifestation
is not, but this would be your assessment of his existence, so to speak.
RODNEY: Okay. I find that fascinating.
Now, do I get any information from him? Does my knowing that he
exists ... I would like to send him good energy or think about him with
good energy. Will that have any impact on him? Also, is it
possible that I would receive information from him in any of my dreams
... that I would know about?
ELIAS: It is not a question of possibility, for as in all of your
reality, any direction or creation is possible. It is improbable,
for generally speaking — although there are rare exceptions, but generally
speaking within this physical dimension — essence does not manifest several
focuses simultaneously and create an interaction objectively between them.
RODNEY: It’s just that immediately upon you telling me that he
exists, I immediately feel something akin to a brotherly relationship with
him, and of course, that’s my limited concept of what’s totally going on
here.
ELIAS: This is quite understandable, I shall express to you, but
be realizing that you and this other focus — and the other focuses that
are manifest within this same time framework — have been creating your
realities quite efficiently to this point without objective knowledge of
each other! (Grinning)
RODNEY: (Laughing) No doubt, yes!
ELIAS: And you shall continue to be creating each of your realities
quite efficiently without objective interaction with each other.
You do, in like manner to all of the focuses of essence, influence and
lend energy to each other continuously, for you are all the same essence.
Therefore, there is a continuous movement of energy between all of you,
but this is not necessarily influencing objectively to the extent that
other focuses may be which hold similar tone to yourself.
RODNEY: Okay. Thank you, sir.
ELIAS: You are very welcome.
RODNEY: I want to know if you were playing a game with me the
other day. I was driving down the highway and I caught myself engaged
in a thought that was not as constructive as I would like it to have been.
I began to caution myself about that, and then I heard a thought come through
my head that said “it does not matter,” or I think I said “it matters not,”
and at the same time I glanced over at the car in front of me, and the
beginning of its license plate was the letter “Y” and the letter “A,” which
says “ya.” And I thought immediately that you put that license plate
there just so I could see it.
ELIAS: (Grinning) I did not place the object before you,
but I shall express to you that I have been interactive with you to be
offering energy in helpfulness, that you may notice objective imagery that
shall reinforce the message that you have offered to yourself, in agreement
with the message that you have offered to yourself, in “it matters not.”
Let me express to you, Zacharie, that many individuals, and at times
yourself also, move in the direction of aligning with an
underlying aspect of karma, which couples itself with aspects of duplicity.
As you create a thought process or a feeling or an expression and you
allow yourself to express any of these elements in a manner that you assess
as negative, you also move in the direction quite often, to a point, of
turning your attention immediately to what you have just expressed, and
you create an expression within yourself that you must change that expression,
for that was bad or unacceptable or unkind, and in that moment, you believe
that you may retract the energy that you have already expressed, and therefore
it shall not return to you and create a conflict with you.
Now; I express to you that there is no karma. Therefore, it matters
not. The expression has been offered, and it is the expression that
it is.
RODNEY: Okay, and just let it go.
ELIAS: Correct.
RODNEY: It matters not.
ELIAS: You place more energy into the perpetuation of the expression
that you wish to not be creating by concentrating upon it and by attempting
to “undo what you have done.”
RODNEY: Thank you, sir, for pointing that out!
ELIAS: In this, it matters not. What you have created has
been created, and it is merely a choice and an expression of yourself within
that moment.
RODNEY: Thank you very much.
ELIAS: You are quite welcome, my friend.
RODNEY: That’s most helpful to hear you say that. There’s
a couple other things I’d like to go over with you today, and because I
talked for so terribly long with Mary, I would rather our session be shorter
than longer.
You gave me the name, family, and alignment of some gentlemen in my
men’s group, and I want to write this up and present it to them.
One of the things that happened is that there are five other gentlemen
who were not included in the information that you gave me, and I want them
to be included, and I was hoping that you might favor me with that information
about them. These are individuals that I did not share another focus
with. Could you do that?
ELIAS: Very well.
RODNEY: The first individual, his initial is R.N. The is
the man who, in the focus that I had in Greece, he had a focus at that
time also, but we did not know each other. Could you give me his
name, family, and alignment?
ELIAS: Essence name, Ethan; E-T-H-A-N.
RODNEY: Is that E-P as in Peter?
ELIAS: T.
RODNEY: T as in Tom?
ELIAS: Correct.
RODNEY: H-A-N as in Nancy?
ELIAS: Correct.
RODNEY: And what is his family?
ELIAS: Essence family, Zuli; alignment, Vold.
RODNEY: Thank you. The next one is very important for me.
His initials are J.R. (Pause)
ELIAS: Essence name, Stanley.
RODNEY: Stanley, like S-T-A-N-E-L-Y? Or L-E-Y?
ELIAS: L-E-Y. Essence family, Tumold; alignment, Ilda.
RODNEY: Ilda. The next one is K.M., M as in mother. (Pause)
ELIAS: Essence name, Christine.
RODNEY: Christine with a C or a K?
ELIAS: C. Essence family, Gramada; alignment, Sumari.
RODNEY: Sumari?
ELIAS: Correct.
RODNEY: The next one is V as in Victor, R as in Robert. (Pause)
ELIAS: Essence name, Caff; C-A-F-F. (coff) Essence family,
Sumari; alignment, Sumafi.
RODNEY: And the last one is D.G.
ELIAS: Essence name, Keri; K-E-R-I. Essence family, Ilda;
alignment, Milumet.
RODNEY: Milumet?
ELIAS: Correct.
RODNEY: The individual whose initials
are J.R., we have a tendency very, very frequently to have a completely
opposite impression on something. It’s almost as though we rarely
see things fundamentally that are in any way similar. It’s kind of
like, he keeps me on my toes, because he shows me so clearly that mine
is not the only perception. Outside of the relationship that we have
right now, have I ever had a relationship with this individual in any other
lifetime, or are we related in any other way that I don’t know about?
ELIAS: You do hold other focuses with this individual, but I shall
also express to you that this individual also occupies that same time framework
in another focus in conjunction to the focus that you have inquired of,
in Greece.
RODNEY: Oh, he knew the other individual?
ELIAS: No. This individual occupied a different culture
and a different physical location. This individual creates a reality
in conjunction with what you describe as the Roman empire.
Now; this, and also a difference in manifestation within this particular
focus ...
RODNEY: You’re talking about today?
ELIAS: Correct.
... in choice of orientation, are two very influencing factors, so to
speak, in the dynamic which is created between you.
RODNEY: His being Tumold/Ilda, and my being Sumafi/Sumari?
ELIAS: No. These are choices of families and alignments.
I am speaking to the choice of orientation.
RODNEY: Oh! What is his orientation?
ELIAS: This individual holds the orientation of soft.
RODNEY: He does? Wow! Okay. People with an orientation
of soft, as I understand it, are very sensitive to what’s going on in the
world, and feel an emotional connection with that. That is correct,
isn’t it?
ELIAS: In most manifestations, yes. Many individuals holding
this orientation, I may express to you, block the natural flow of that
expression, for it is not in alignment with the officially accepted societal
belief systems.
RODNEY: I was just gonna ask you that. Does this individual
block that energy?
ELIAS: Yes, at times.
RODNEY: At times. Is this because it would come over strongly
for him?
ELIAS: Not necessarily. It is an alignment with the belief
systems which are held en masse in the projection of specific personas
that are expected within your society, and in this, there is not created
an allowance for the natural flow of energy in the recognition of that
particular orientation.
Now; the expression of these individuals holding the orientation of
soft is not always manifest in conjunction to emotional expression.
Many times this may be the choice of how it shall be expressed, but it
is not necessarily the rule, so to speak.
The commonality is the recognition of the interconnectedness objectively
of all of your planet that these individuals experience, and the exhibition
of interaction in relationships continuously. This is a very strong
objective manifestation of individuals holding the orientation of soft.
These individuals do not create their reality singularly or outside
of relationships with other individuals. They do not generally move
in the direction of creating a reality individually, for this creates tremendous
conflict within themselves.
RODNEY: I believe that I create my reality to a large extent individually.
ELIAS: Correct.
RODNEY: Independent of my relationships with other people.
ELIAS: You create differently.
RODNEY: And you’re saying that when he creates his reality, he
does so with a deep connection from his relationships with other people?
ELIAS: Correct.
RODNEY: I feel that’s very true of him, what you just said.
ELIAS: This is quite influencing within the manifestation and
within the creation of his reality.
Individuals that hold the orientation of soft may be blocking of their
natural expression, but in this one particular area, in blocking their
interconnectedness objectively with other individuals, in creating relationships
continuously with other individuals, they create tremendous conflict within
themselves.
What I am expressing to you is that their function within this reality
is quite hindered if they are isolating themselves and not creating a reality
in conjunction with other individuals. These individuals do not function
well, in your terms, singularly.
RODNEY: This man is a very, very successful salesman. He
sees a lot of people, he knows a lot of people, he travels, he meets them.
I’m struck by his connectedness to his family, which is very large, and
he does maintain those relationships. And what you’re saying is that
this is good for him, that if he were to attempt to lead the solitary life
that I do, it would create very significant conflict for him.
ELIAS: Correct.
RODNEY: Most interesting. Is there anyone else in my men’s
group — I think you know them by now — who are of the orientation of soft?
ELIAS: No.
RODNEY: One individual that you talked about some time ago, his
initials are P, I think it’s N, is he an intermediate?
ELIAS: Yes.
RODNEY: And I expect that he is the only intermediate.
ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.
RODNEY: Am I correct on that?
ELIAS: Yes.
RODNEY: Oh! I just patted myself on the back, Elias! (They
both laugh) Thank you so much.
ELIAS: You are very welcome.
RODNEY: I think these gentlemen will be most curious about our
discussions when I get this all in one place. Elias, may I call you
doctor for a moment? (Laughing)
ELIAS: If you are so choosing.
RODNEY: I’ve got a situation that’s developed, and I’ve got a
small clue as to what it is. I’ve been creating swelling in my toes
— not the very small toe, but the one next to it — and a soreness along
the base of my toes. This has been going on for weeks and weeks and
weeks. I notice that toes are very necessary for maintaining one’s
balance. The fact that I’m creating soreness in my toes, does that
have anything to do with my sense of balance? I’d like to know why
I’m creating this.
ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes, it is connected to an element
of balance, for what you are attempting to bring to your attention is to
be noticing within yourself that you hold a desire to be slowing your activity
and your motion, and allowing more of a relaxation within your movement
in your focus.
Therefore, you project energy to your physical feet, which is your imagery
to yourself of movement, and you create a situation in which you are offering
yourself information to be slowing your movement physically, which shall
allow you more freedom, and this shall allow you the ability to be balancing
more efficiently.
RODNEY: Okay. I want to allow myself more relaxation and
less movement. What I do with that information is, I go to a place
where I want to redirect my attention to things other than I am doing now.
ELIAS: Correct.
RODNEY: I would like to spend more time in developing my self-awareness
and in the pursuit of the kinds of things which you and I talk about.
ELIAS: Correct.
RODNEY: Okay, and that’s what I’m doing with the toes?
ELIAS: Correct.
RODNEY: Okay. I am aware that I create an incredible number
of distractions. (Elias laughs) And it’s like, you know, people marvel
at how active I am, and the truth of the matter is, I’d like to slow down
and be less active. (Elias chuckles) But it’s so easy for me to be
on the move, so to speak. Okay, I thank you for that, sir.
ELIAS: You are quite welcome.
RODNEY: You know, I think we’ve covered a lot of territory.
The woman — Lorraine — who arranged the last session for Mary down in South
Jersey ...
ELIAS: Correct.
RODNEY: ... have she and I ever engaged in another focus together?
Have we ever been related in any way in another focus?
ELIAS: Yes, you have engaged in other focuses, although not in
relationship, so to speak, with each other.
RODNEY: Okay. Were most of those focuses ... did we have
kind of a casual relationship to each other, or were there areas that were
more close than that?
ELIAS: I express to you that you hold two focuses in which you
are acquaintances, objectively holding knowledge of each other, but do
not interact with each other and do not create a relationship of friendship,
and you also hold another focus in which you create a type of interaction
which is adversarial to each other.
RODNEY: Adversarial?
ELIAS: Correct.
RODNEY: Okay. Was this in a military sense? I mean,
were we fighting each other?
ELIAS: No, not within physical combat!
RODNEY: Oh, okay!
ELIAS: (Laughing) Although I may express to you that within
that particular focus, there is an element of competition and conflict
and what you term to be fighting in the competition, for you each occupy
a position of merchants in which you are opposed to each other.
RODNEY: (Laughing) Thank you!
ELIAS: You are quite welcome.
RODNEY: I’m sure she’s going to be as interested in seeing that
as I am! (Laughing)
I have one other large question. I don’t know
how much time you want to spend on it. I’m halfway through a book
called “Autobiography of a Yogi,” which was published in 1920, more or
less — I’m not exactly sure when it was published — and it’s been almost
on the best-seller list ever since, which is a very long time, and the
yogi in question is — I hope I pronounce this correctly — Paramhansa Yogananda.
And in this book, he talks about phenomena which you say is readily
possible, and which people like myself in the western world find rather
unlikely. Part of their training as a yogi is the ability to withdraw
from any of the five senses that we normally use — in other words, seeing
or hearing — they completely turn that off and on at will. They also
relate in this book that those who have achieved the highest levels of
their art can readily manifest material objects from ... I’ll call it the
plasma of reality, the nonphysical plasma or pure energy, and they can
also do such things as what would be referred to as miraculous healings,
and manifest themselves in more than one place at the same time.
These are very remarkable achievements, and I put a great deal of belief
in that what he is relating here is really true. The things that
he relates, he personally experiences. I don’t think I doubt their
validity. What I am asking concerns the training that he and people
like him go through in order to develop these abilities. My understanding
is that this training consumes a considerable amount of time and energy,
and it takes a good number of years.
I’ve also noticed that it’s couched in a very different set of beliefs
than we are accustomed to holding in our western culture. For instance,
I understand that being a vegetarian is very, very important to the development
of these powers, and there are other beliefs — I can’t relate them at the
moment — that are somewhat foreign to our way of thinking.
I think basically the question I have for you is, is it possible to
develop that level of ability utilizing different training, or is what
they’re doing and what they’re saying extremely unique, and that’s the
only way that you could develop those abilities, is to go through the training
that they suggest is necessary? I guess that’s my question.
ELIAS: I express to you that this training or this process is
not the only method or means by which you may be creating the very same
actions.
I am also expressing to you presently that you may be creating these
same wonders, so to speak, merely by allowing yourself to widen your awareness
and in the genuine acceptance and trust of self.
I have been expressing this concept to you all from the onset of this
forum, that you need not be engaging the formality and the intensity of
these methods or this type of training. You may engage this if you
are so choosing, and you may accomplish all that you view as wondrous in
the manifestation of that type of method, but it is not necessary.
It is not the only means in which you may attain the same actions.
RODNEY: Thank you, sir.
ELIAS: You are quite welcome.
RODNEY: Because as much as I admire this individual and admire
what he’s accomplished, there’s no question. He makes it very clear.
For instance, he talks about super-consciousness, and he clearly states
that an individual who would experience super-consciousness who has not
gone through the training and who has not purified himself by the training
would actually kill himself by allowing that much energy into his physical
body, and I found that a rather strong statement, and what I hear you saying
is that this is not necessarily so.
ELIAS: Let me clarify in this.
I shall express to you that if you are not widening your awareness and
if you are not allowing yourself to be opening your awareness within consciousness,
within this physical dimension you may be creating of quite uncomfortable
responses within your physical focus.
Let me clarify in this area.
The manifestations that these individuals produce within physical focus,
all of you hold the ability to be producing, and you need not hold any
particular extensive method to be accomplishing those actions.
In the exchange of physical and nonphysical energies, which is incorporated
into the philosophy of this particular individual and the followers of
this individual, you may be engaging a very different type of action as
you limit yourself to physical reality.
You may be creating of any of these manifestations that you now view
as wondrous, and you may be accomplishing this without tremendous methodology,
so to speak. These are natural abilities that you hold that you have
merely forgotten and have blocked from your objective awareness.
Now; in a discussion of interaction of physical and nonphysical energies
in relation to consciousness, and the interaction of physical and nonphysical
energies of essences and exchanges of energies, this is a very different
subject matter, and more of your time framework is required to be offering
an adequate explanation as to what may be occurring in that type of an
exchange.
In this, you shall not necessarily disengage or disintegrate, so to
speak, but you may be encountering what you would term to be severe disruptions
within your physical manifestation and a strong creation of discomfort.
RODNEY: In this phenomenon, when you talk about the interchange
of physical and nonphysical energies, is this involved when he discusses
his experience of a oneness? He uses the term “a oneness with God.”
ELIAS: This is the translation. This is....
RODNEY: Because when he uses that term, he actually says that
he becomes one with everything in the universe, and he’s talking about
consciously being aware that he is one with everything.
ELIAS: Quite.
Now; this also is a slightly different type of actual action than of
what I am speaking, but the individual held a physical, objective awareness
that within the interaction of nonphysical elements of consciousness, incorporating
that into a physical dimension, there may be severe physical affectingnesses
that occur.
In this, some of those affectingnesses may be diverted as you allow
yourself to open to your individual awareness within the physical dimension,
and allow yourself an openness to the movement of energy within consciousness.
There are methods, so to speak, in which you — as an individual within
physical focus — may be allowing yourself an indirect experience incorporated
into physical focus.
A direct exchange and mergence shall be physically affecting, for your
physical body consciousness is not designed within this physical dimension
to incorporate that type of action.
RODNEY: Okay, but that is the action that Yogananda....
ELIAS: Not entirely.
The action that he has allowed himself to engage is an INDIRECT interaction
with other elements of consciousness and with essence.
We shall discuss this futurely in a time framework that may allow for
more of an explanation of this type of action, for this is requiring of
much more of an explanation.
RODNEY: I thank you very much, sir.
ELIAS: You are quite welcome.
RODNEY: And I will be better prepared!
ELIAS: Ha ha! You have been adequately prepared presently!
RODNEY: Thank you, sir! (Laughing)
ELIAS: You are welcome.
RODNEY: I think our time is up. I was gonna call it shorter,
and I seem to have forgotten.
ELIAS: It matters not.
RODNEY: Thank you.
ELIAS: I express to you great affection, and I anticipate our
continued interaction.
RODNEY: Thank you, Elias.
ELIAS: To you this day, Zacharie, I offer, very lovingly, au revoir.
RODNEY: Au revoir.
Elias departs at 2:56 PM.
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