Thursday, September 30, 1999 © 2000 (Private/Phone)
Participants:  Mary (Michael) and Joe (Holden).
Elias arrives at 10:24 AM. (Arrival time is 28 seconds)

ELIAS:  Good morning!

JOE:  Good morning!

ELIAS:  And we meet again!

JOE:  Yes, and how have you been, old friend?

ELIAS:  As always!

JOE:  (Laughing)  You know, I kind of expected that!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha!

JOE:  Elias, today, if it’s alright with you ... I know a lot has been written and explained by both Seth and yourself about probable selves, but I’m still in complete limbo as to probable selves.  So, if it’s alright, could we have a discussion about probable selves?

ELIAS:  Very well, and which direction would you be choosing to proceed within initially?

JOE:  Well, it’s my understanding — and correct me if I’m wrong — that probable selves originate within an individual focus.  Correct, incorrect?

ELIAS:  Yes, you are correct.

JOE:  Okay.  Where and how do these probable selves branch off?  Exactly how do the alternate realities that these probable selves inhabit work in relation to this reality?  How does one keep track of the other, or how do they share information, or in what ways do they relate within an individual focus?  And from your perspective, how can you pick one self that is me from another probable self that may have branched off?  Or am I way off base?  Maybe that’s not how it works at all.  I really don’t have much of an understanding, even though there has been a lot explained by you and by others.

ELIAS:  Very well.

First of all, I shall express to you a distinction between probable realities and alternate realities.  I express this distinction for the reason that alternate realities are occurring continuously within your actual reality and your individual dimension that you occupy within this one focus.

Alternate realities are a continuous action that are occurring involving all of the different aspects of you as this one focus, which all occupy this one dimensional reality.

A probably reality holds a difference, for a probable reality and probable selves move into the position of what you may term as a parallel reality.

Now; first of all, let me also express to you that there are many more parallel realities than merely probable realities, but as we shall confine ourselves to this one subject matter of probable selves and probable realities, we shall direct our attention into this one area in this discussion, and not be involving all of the other parallel realities which are also created and within existence, in your terms.

In this, as you look to an individual focus, such as yourself, you choose within essence to be manifest as a focus of essence, a focus of attention, into one particular manifestation, one time framework, one location, one particular objective reality, and as you move through that one particular focus, you create lines of probabilities.

As I have expressed previously, as you choose to be manifest within physical reality, you enter that physical reality holding what may be termed as a pool of probabilities that you allow yourself to draw upon, and in this, there are many lines of probabilities that you allow yourself to choose from, in a manner of speaking.

This is quite figurative, for be remembering that all probabilities are created and actualized within the moment.  They are not an element or a thing that is set before you or in front of you that you choose from.  But in this, as you enter into a physical manifestation in one focus, you hold this pool of probabilities, and in this pool of probabilities, there are, as I have stated, many different lines of probabilities that you choose.

Each line of probabilities that you choose to be actualizing in this particular physical dimension and objective reality creates a specific direction, and as you choose a specific direction, you also are NOT choosing to be inserting into this objective reality many other choices, but all choices are actualized.  They are merely not all actualized in this one objective reality, for this is the manner in which you have created this particular physical reality.

Therefore, as you move through your individual focus and you create what you view as large or direction-altering choices within your focus, you also are creating, simultaneously, probable realities.

Now; these probable realities are directly related to the physical reality that you are experiencing, and they are actualizing the choices that you have chosen NOT to be inserting into your physical objective reality.  Therefore, as an example, as you choose to be actualizing one probability of engaging an intimate relationship in partnership with another individual and you choose to be moving in a direction of probabilities with that individual, you each also are creating probable realities with probable selves that are creating many, many different choices that you have NOT chosen to insert into your objective physical reality.

This creates a type of parallel dimension in which you have created another you, which shall continue and shall be creating different choices from the choices that you view that you choose, but shall appear almost identical to you.  Certain qualities of the probable self shall be different, but many of the manifestations of the probable self shall be the same as you.

In a manner of speaking, this is a type of action that you create within your physical focus which may be likened to the creation of clones.  You create a clone of yourself and insert this into a probable reality, which becomes a probable dimension or parallel dimension to the dimension that you are experiencing, and from that point, that probable self holds its own individual identity and reality.

Now; realize that to that point, prior to that point, that probable self was not a probable self yet.  It was an element of you, an aspect of you, an alternate self of you.  At the moment that you choose an alteration in your direction within your physical reality, within your focus, you also create, figuratively speaking, a type of split, and in this split, you create the movement of a particular aspect of yourself, of this individual focus, which moves away from you — or what you recognize as you — and is inserted as almost a separate entity into a parallel reality.

Now; this parallel reality parallels your reality in the existence of its past, for its past shall immediately and simultaneously be created within that moment, for it has already experienced its past, for it is you.  Its future and its present may deviate and may not necessarily continue in a parallel line, for at the moment of the choice or the figurative split, the probable self now holds its own reality and it creates its own choices, and it moves futurely within linear time framework into its own reality and shall hold its individual free will and personality and choices.

Therefore, this would be the distinction that is created between an actual parallel dimension, which is not a probable dimension, and a probable dimension holding probable reality and probable selves.

In this, the probable reality holds the ability to be moving away from a parallel line in its creations, and may be creating choices that in actuality are quite different from your choices, and in this, in like manner to yourself, it may also choose to be quite altering of its individual choices and personality expression, dependent upon its individual creations.

Are you understanding thus far?

JOE:  I think so.  I’m a little confused about the terms of dimensions and realities.

Let me ask you something.  From your vantage point, can you see myself and the desk I’m sitting at and the paper in front of me?

ELIAS:  Let me express to you, as I filter my energy through different areas of consciousness into a direction of attention which focuses itself within your Regional Area 1, which is your expression of your physical dimension, I do not concern myself with the objective manifestations.  Therefore, I do not focus my attention in viewing your actual physical creations, in a manner of speaking.

As I interact with an individual objectively in what you would term to be personal interaction physically, my energy translates through Michael, through his physical form and through his physical senses, but I do not engage his physical senses in the same manner that he engages his physical senses or that you engage your physical senses.

Therefore, in your question — do I see you at your desk before your papers — no, I do not envisage yourself as a physical form, or your physical matter that you have inserted into your physical dimension.

Vic’s note:  Elias pronounced “envisage” with a very French accent, and then smiled, as if he was very pleased with himself.

ELIAS:  I view, in a manner of speaking, the energy which is expressed within your physical dimension.  I view and interact with the energy that you interact with, and I may access that information in physical terms.

At times I may choose to direct a much more concentrated element of my energy, and in that action, I may focus my attention specifically upon your physical manifestations in solidity and matter.  But this action is requiring of much more of an expression of energy than is necessary for my interaction and my communication with each of you.

Let me also clarify to you in this.

I hold a great awareness of the action that occurs within the energy exchange that I engage with Michael, and in the interaction, in the filtration of energy through layers of consciousness and into your physical reality, there are effects, so to speak, which occur physically and alter certain elements of your physical reality in the engagement of the translation of the energy exchange.  Therefore, in this awareness of all that occurs in this energy exchange, I also choose not to be directing more energy, in a manner of speaking, than is necessary to be facilitating this energy exchange.

Figuratively speaking, I may express to you, in your very physical terms, the more energy that I engage and focus through this energy exchange merely to be accomplishing physical identifications in what I term to be “parlor tricks” or unnecessary expressions, the more affecting it shall be physically with Michael.

JOE:  Elias, I can understand that.  The only reason I asked was, if you could — and I didn’t know if you could — I was just going to make a drawing as to what it was that I felt that you were saying, and in that way make my understanding that much better.  That was the only reason, but I can understand now that it just doesn’t work like that.

ELIAS:  Ah, but let me also express to you that although I choose not to be viewing a particular drawing that you engage physically, I DO access the energy movement that you are creating and the information that is held within that.  Therefore, it is unnecessary for me to see your drawing, for I understand the information which is transmitted without the drawing.

JOE:  Okay.  Alright, then for my own benefit, I’ll make this thing.  Now, could this be compared to the trunk of a tree, where the trunk of the tree is basically a focus, and at each major intersection in the life of the tree, so to speak, or within the individual actions of a particular focus, there’s a branch that comes off.  Now, this branch is joined to the tree, but goes off in its own right and in its own way towards sunlight, or in a manner of speaking, its own accomplishments.  Would each of these branches be a probable self?

But I have another question too.  If and when I transition, do all the probable selves at that time transition also?

ELIAS:  Not necessarily, no.

Now; if you are choosing to be entering into transition within physical focus, all of the aspects of your focus, all of the alternate selves of your focus, shall also be engaging elements of transition.

Probable selves may not necessarily be engaging this action, for they have chosen their own individual directions from the point of the sectioning or the split, so to speak.

JOE:  Well, have they then basically become their own focus?

ELIAS:  In a manner of speaking, yes, within a different dimension.

JOE:  A different dimension altogether?  Here’s where my confusion lies, in this term “dimension.”

ELIAS:  Correct.

Now; let me express to you, this would be one of the dimensions which is contained within this particular dimension.

Therefore, what I am expressing to you is that within consciousness, this probable dimension continues to be contained within your Regional Area 1, which is the expression of your physical reality, your universe, and as I have expressed previously, there are many, many, many, many universes and dimensions within your one dimension that you recognize.  There are dimensions of time; there are parallel dimensions; there are probable dimensions.  All of these dimensions are, in a figurative manner of speaking, subdivisions of what you view as your officially accepted dimension.

JOE:  And all of these dimensions are encompassed in like an overall dimension called Regional Area 1?

ELIAS:  Yes.  They are all contained within it.

Therefore, you are correct in your analogy of the tree, for they are all branches, so to speak, of one creation.  They are all contained, in a manner of speaking, within one regional area of consciousness which we have identified as Regional Area 1, but there are countless branches or dimensions of this Regional Area 1.

Now; these are all of the dimensions within a dimension.  There are other dimensions which lie outside of this dimension which are entirely different, and their reality, in physical terms, is also entirely different.

JOE:  But these would be designated as another regional area, say Regional Area 10, 11, 12, whatever?

ELIAS:  Correct.

JOE:  Okay.  Now, what attachment do I have to a probable self, if any? (Pause)

ELIAS:  I express to you that probable selves continue to be affecting within energy and interconnected with you in energy in similar manner to other focuses.

Other focuses hold their own personality and choices and individuality and identity, in a manner of speaking, and they exchange energy with you continuously and are in different manners affecting of you, as you are with them.  In similar manner, you continue to be interconnected with probable selves and you continue to be sharing and exchanging energy with probable selves.  Therefore, you continue to be affecting of each other.

For example, a probable self may be creating of a traumatic experience within their focus, and in this, as you are interconnected — for this is a probable self of yourself — you may feel, in a manner of speaking, an effect of this creation within the probable self’s reality.

Example:  Let us hypothetically express that you create a choice to engage in marriage in this reality, and in this, we shall temporarily skip over the probable self that would be created in that choice of direction.  Subsequently, you move through your focus and you engage in the action of participating in facilitating entering focuses.  In physical terms, you engage children within your relationship.  You become a father, in your very physical terms.  You move through your focus, and you hold the reality of a family with three children.  At a point in this reality, you choose to be engaging a fourth child.

Now; in that moment, you create a probable self which chooses not to be engaging a fourth child, but holds the three children in like manner to yourself, for its past parallels your past, for its past IS your past.  Therefore, it already holds the experiences that you hold.

Now; in choosing different choices, as you move from that point, you engage the family of four children.  The probable self engages the family of three children.  You continue within your family of four children, and let us express that the probable self engages a situation in which one of the existing three children in that reality disengages; not one of your three children disengages, but one of those three children within the probable reality disengages.

The father, let us hypothetically express, becomes quite distraught and is experiencing trauma in this situation, and tremendous grief.  This may be translated into your reality in a momentary expression of a feeling of concern for the same child within your reality, although no objective situation is occurring within your particular reality to be creating concern within you, but you feel momentarily a twinge of concern or grief or fear with respect to that particular child.

This is the translation of energy that exchanges between these probable realities.

Therefore, you may view that you continue to be affecting of each other, although you may not identify necessarily objectively the affectingness, for unlike another focus of yourself, which may continue to be quite influencing of you within an ongoing linear time framework, a probable self shall be momentarily affecting of you within an objective expression.

Another focus may be experiencing a situation of tremendous fearfulness in a scenario of drowning, and this may translate in energy within your focus of a tremendous ongoing fear of water, and this may continue for many years within your focus if you are not allowing yourself to be accessing that information and reconfiguring that energy.

But within the experience of a probable self, they may be experiencing the scenario of drowning, and you may momentarily lose your breath or you may experience a momentary anxiety or fearfulness in your movement into water, but you shall also dismiss this, for there is an immediate subjective identification that this is an experience and an exchange of energy which is occurring within a probable self, and it is unnecessary for you to be experiencing this also and continuing within that experience, for you ARE experiencing it already within the probable self.

JOE:  So basically, within a single focus, there are actually a myriad of individuals, each operating independently, creating their own realities in a multitude of dimensions.  Is that correct?

ELIAS:  Yes, you are correct, and within this objective physical reality that you recognize, that you identify you within, there are myriads of aspects of you which are participating also; not within parallel or probable dimensions or realities, but within THIS objective reality that you recognize.

JOE:  But they’re not probables.

ELIAS:  No.  These are aspects of you.  These are alternate selves, which is quite different.  These are all the you’s of you which are held presently within the now, within your recognized reality.  They are all of the aspects of your individual focus, and they are not separated from you.  They are continuously interactive and expressing and they are continuously experiencing.

You merely view yourself as one singular individual, but you are not.  You are countless individuals simultaneously.  You view yourself as one individual body.  You are myriads of physical manifestation.

JOE:  Now, an aspect of myself, of my own probable self, with myself being a probable, which is naturally what I would be, then an aspect of myself would be my past selves as well as my future selves.  Am I right?

ELIAS:  Yes.

JOE:  Okay, and they all exist now, within their own nows, within an eternal now.

ELIAS:  Yes.  It is the picture of the painter creating the self portrait through the mirror, and the mirror, and the mirror, and the mirror, which extends endlessly. (Smiling)

JOE:  Sort of like a kaleidoscope.

ELIAS:  Correct.

JOE:  Okay.  Now, each one of these aspects creates their individual realities around their belief systems, as does each and every one of these probables.

ELIAS:  No.  Aspects are different.  The aspects all move in harmony with you.

You, as what you identify as you, are an aspect.  You, that you identify as you, I express in an identification of the primary aspect.  This would be the aspect which is expressing within the given moment objectively, and in this, one primary aspect may continue for an extended time framework, but this is not to say that all of the other aspects are not functioning and participating also, simultaneously.

Now; within an individual focus, all of these aspects are all you.  Therefore, they all participate in alignment with the same belief systems, the same aspects of belief systems, the same basic personality and identification.

Probable selves hold a difference, for in the moment of creation of a probable self — within your linear identification — from that moment futurely, the probable self holds the choice to be altering of all of its reality, and therefore may align with different belief systems than you align with, may choose quite different directions than you choose.

But within the individual focus in your objective reality, in your physical manifestation of this individual focus, all of the you’s of you, all of the aspects of you, all of the alternates of you all hold the same beliefs and aspects of beliefs as you recognize.

JOE:  So, as I start to recognize a belief system for what it is and start to possibly move away from that belief system, all of the aspects of me do exactly the same thing.

ELIAS:  Yes; in a different manner, for they may approach from a different angle, but they are all creating the same action simultaneously, yes.

JOE:  Whereas a probable self would then, if I’m correct, also start to generate, or probably does instantaneously at the time of its creation, its own aspects.

ELIAS:  Yes.

JOE:  And then they basically are free to go their own way.

ELIAS:  If it is creating another probable self, for the aspects are all elements of that probable self.

JOE:  Now, can a probable self, and I guess it would stand to reason that they can, probable selves then create probable selves?

ELIAS:  Yes.

JOE:  There’s a heck of a lot of us running around in this regional area, aren’t there?

ELIAS:  Quite! (Grinning)  This be the reason that I express to you that your physical dimension is exceedingly far more expansive than you recognize!

JOE:  Yes, I can see that.

ELIAS:  As I express to you in encouragement to be viewing the bigger picture or to be opening to your periphery, I am expressing a much, much, much bigger picture than you realize! (Chuckling)

JOE:  Boy, that’s for sure! (Laughing)  There’s absolutely no doubt about that!

ELIAS:  Ha ha!  This offers you much area for exploration!  How may you be bored with this type of creation of physical reality?  Ha ha!

JOE:  I’ll tell you what — I can see how you could never run out of material! (Elias cracks up)

JOE:  Elias, I really don’t have any other questions that I could add to this.  I think you’ve covered this beautifully.  Is there anything that you would add that might facilitate an understanding of this?

ELIAS:  Within this time framework, I express to you that we view the acceptability of all of you within physical focus continuing to create divisions, that you may offer yourselves some semblance of understanding of this information temporarily.

I shall also express to you that eventually, within the probabilities that you are all creating collectively, you shall be moving into more of an understanding that allows you less of a separating element within your reality.

This also is an element of this shift in consciousness, for as you continue to offer yourselves information and open to your periphery and widen your awareness, familiarizing yourselves once again with yourselves and the remembrance of self, you allow yourselves a tremendous expansion in your freedom and your creativity and your choices within your physical reality, and this is the point of this shift in consciousness ... and I express to you, one day we shall engage discussion of remembrance also! (Laughing)

JOE:  We shall engage the questions of remembrance, or I’ll actually start to remember?

ELIAS:  Both, for the discussion of remembrance deviates from your definition of the word of remembrance! (Chuckling)

JOE:  Well, maybe I’ll put that on our list for the next discussion.

ELIAS:  Very well!

JOE:  Okay, so the next discussion, and I’ll note it here on my pad, which you cannot see ...

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha!

JOE:  ... remembrance! (Laughing)  Elias, again, as always, I wish to thank you for this.

ELIAS:  You are very welcome, my friend.  I express to you encouragement in your continuation of your exploration in reality!

To you this day, great affection and anticipation of our next meeting.  Au revoir.

Elias departs at 11:21 AM.

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