Sunday, June 27, 1999 © 1999 (Private/Phone)
Participants:  Mary (Michael) and Rodney (Zacharie).
Elias arrives at 9:20 AM. (Arrival time is 16 seconds)
Vic’s note:  Before greeting Rodney, Elias opened his eyes, looked up towards the ceiling, and smiled, which is unusual.  This happened two times towards the end of the 16-second arrival time.

ELIAS:  Good morning, Zacharie!

RODNEY:  Good morning!  Good morning, Elias!  How are you?

ELIAS:  As always!

RODNEY:  As always! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles))  That’s good to hear!  There’s a few things I’d like to discuss with you.

I’ve had lower back pain on and off many times in my life, and what I’m particularly interested in is the kind of events that seem to be associated with this.  Would you mind talking to me about that?

ELIAS:  Very well, my friend.

RODNEY:  I went to a conference, and this lower back pain that I have currently seems to be associated — at least in my mind — with events that occurred there.  I was wondering if you would comment on that.

ELIAS:  I shall express to you that you create this type of physical affectingness at time frameworks within your focus in which you are experiencing discomfort within yourself.

In this, as you move into certain positions within your thought process and your feelings emotionally in interaction with other individuals, as there may be inner conflicts occurring, you express this outwardly in affectingness of yourself physically rather than be expressing, outwardly, conflict with other individuals.

Now; let me express to you that at times, you do not allow yourself entirely an objective awareness of the conflict that may be arising within you, but you be creating this type of physical affectingness regardless.  But at other time frameworks, you DO hold an awareness that you are moving into an inner expression of confusion and of conflict, with respect to other individuals and the direction that they may be moving into.

Now; this is created within you in response to what you may identify as concern or a “wanting” with regard to the other individuals for their widening of awareness, which shall facilitate more of an ease within their focus.

But I express to you that the reason frustration and conflict ensues in these situations is that subjectively, you also quite hold the knowing that you may only be influencing with respect to other individuals as they allow you to be influencing, and in this, you do not hold the power, so to speak, to be creating another individual’s reality.  You wish not to be placing judgment upon their choices and their thought processes, but you battle this within your inner feeling of concern and compassion, and this creates a conflict and struggle within yourself.

Now; this be once again addressing to the issue of acceptance.

Now; I express to you and to all other individuals that this action of acceptance is twofold, in the acceptance of self and the acceptance of other individuals.  I move in offering information to you each to be concerning yourselves with self first, for this allows you automatic byproducts of being accepting of other individuals.  But I shall express to you also that at times, you may be moving in directions of acceptance of self, and you may also be expressing difficulty within you in the area of acceptance of other individuals and how they are creating their reality.

This all concerns perception.  Each individual holds differences in perception, and as I have expressed within our last meeting, all of reality is HIGHLY individualized.  Therefore, each individual’s perception is their reality, and may be different from your reality.

In this, the reason that frustration, confusion, and conflict enter into the scenario is that within your officially accepted reality — your societies, your communities, en masse — you identify certain elements of your reality as absolutes, and in this identification of absolutes, you create assumptions that all other individuals hold the same absolutes as do you.

In this, you become confused, for you are projecting energy and interaction and communications with other individuals within the assumption that their absolutes are absolutely the same as your absolutes, and they are not!

I express to you, in very simple terms, very basic words that you hold within your language you believe to be absolutes; very simple, basic concepts you believe to be absolutes....

RODNEY:  Could you name a couple?

ELIAS:  I express to you, let us look to common concepts: honesty and dishonesty.  Look to your identification of any of your religious precepts.  Look to your commandments.  These are what you assume to be absolutes: murder, stealing, lying.  These are absolutes that you all hold the same definition for: honor, honesty, compassion, love.  You hold the same definitions for all of these concepts ... but I express to you, you do not!

(Intently)  You ASSUME that you hold the same definitions, and you look to your reality and express that all individuals MUST hold the same definitions for these terms and these concepts, but each individual’s interpretation and perception of those concepts is different.  Therefore, in your interaction with other individuals, you express within the thought process of the absolute, AND THEY DO ALSO, but your absolutes are individually different.

RODNEY:  It’s like we’re looking out of different windows.

ELIAS:  Quite.  Therefore, you may be looking to the same object out your windows, but you are viewing different angles of it.  Therefore, it appears slightly different to you each.

RODNEY:  I understand ... I think I understand!

ELIAS:  In this, as to your question concerning your discomfort within your back physically, what you are expressing to yourself in this creation is the recognition of your inner conflict within YOUR absolutes, for within your thought processes and your concepts of information that you have drawn to yourself, you view that this shall be helpful to other individuals if it is incorporated within their understanding within certain guidelines.  Therefore, there is a wish within you to be helpful to other individuals, in that they may be assimilating information that may be beneficial to them, but in the reception of information, the information that you draw to yourself may not be interpreted in a manner of helpfulness to another individual in the same manner that it is with you.

Therefore, you look to these types of situations, once again, as absolutes.  “If this concept is helpful to myself, it shall also be helpful to another individual.”

RODNEY:  And it’s not.

ELIAS:  It may not necessarily be, for their interpretation is filtered through their perception, and their perception is different from your perception, and how they process their information may be approached from a different angle.  Therefore, what may hold meaning with you, in a manner of speaking, holds no meaning with another individual, and may be inconsequential to another individual!

RODNEY:  Right.

ELIAS:  This creates an inner conflict, for you hold a desire to be helpful and to be offering the expression of helpfulness to other individuals in objective expression.

In this, I express to you that you may be the most helpful within your expression in interaction with other individuals as you turn your attention to the acceptance of their perception, their reality, recognizing that this IS reality and it is not worse or better than your own reality, and continue to be accepting of your reality, recognizing that it is benefiting YOU.

In this, as another individual may be inquiring of you and seeking information from you, this is their expression that they may be opening to the allowance of influence which may be extended from you.  Objectively, this is your signal, so to speak, that there is a willingness within another individual to be receiving influence within their reality from your expression, but you find yourself at times projecting that influence that you hold and it returns to you within energy, for it is not received.

(Intently)  This is the choice of all individuals, yourself also.  You all hold free will.  You all create your individual realities, and no other individual may be interrupting of that.  Therefore, it is your choice to be accepting or not accepting the influence of any other individual objectively, and it is their choice also.

Objectively, you are signaled, so to speak, in knowing that an individual is expressing a receptivity to you within your interaction.  Once an individual is not expressing this receptiveness within your interaction, this also is an unspoken projection of energy, which is a signal to you that within their reality, within that moment, they are not accepting of your influence and they are not assimilating the interaction of which you are engaging.

RODNEY:  Alright.  If I hear you correctly, you’re saying that my being more open to accepting that they may not wish to receive my influence would decrease the amount of conflict I create for myself.

ELIAS:  Correct.

RODNEY:  Okay.  I think I hear that loud and clear! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles)  I gave myself a real good cold on top of all of that.  Was that connected to this?

ELIAS:  Partially.

RODNEY:  Partially?

ELIAS:  What you are creating presently is your expression to yourself to be slowing your movement.  You have not created a situation physically which shall be immobilizing of your activity objectively, but that within recent time framework, you have been pushing of self in many different directions in attempting to be accomplishing in areas that you express confusion or conflict ... also in areas that you do not experience conflict or confusion, but excitement!  You hold great desire to be moving within consciousness, but this desire motivates you objectively in the want for rapid movement, expressing to yourself an impatience and a wishing to be moving quite quickly.  This at times may be overwhelming to you.

Therefore, what you have created within this time period is an expression to yourself to be slowing your movement and allowing yourself a respite, and if you shall not objectively, willingly relax your focus, you shall instruct your physical body to be creating this objectively for you!

RODNEY:  (Laughing)  Alright.  Thank you, doctor!

ELIAS:  HA HA!

RODNEY:  Alright, I will instruct myself to relax instead.

ELIAS:  (Laughing)  And this may be much more pleasant, may it not?

RODNEY:  Yes ... yes!

I have some family members who have inflicted a great deal of pain on themselves lately, and one of them just gave himself a massive heart attack in that direction, and that again was an example.  I asked him if he would have any interest in opening to spiritual healing practices to help him with his sickness, and he essentially said no, that he was not prepared to do that, and I sense that I was ... I don’t know how deeply disappointed, but I certainly was disappointed that he would not open to that a little bit.

ELIAS:  Quite, and this is, once again, the expression of which we have been speaking.

RODNEY:  Right, right.  And then he up and dies three days later!  Part of me just wants to walk away from that mentally and not even think about it.

ELIAS:  Quite!  How very inconsiderate of this individual to not be accepting of your expression, and then to be so rude as to be disengaging before he is accepting of your expression!  HA HA!

RODNEY:  We do get a little selfish, don’t we?

ELIAS:  I express to you, Zacharie, be of lightheartedness!  All is not so very intensely serious as you view it to be! (Chuckling)

RODNEY:  (Laughing)  Thank you!  I really appreciate your being around, Elias, to say that to me.

ELIAS:  HA HA!

RODNEY:  It means a great deal.  Thank you again and again and again!

ELIAS:  I express to you that each individual is creating choices that shall be beneficial to them.

Now; in this situation, be understanding that this particular individual has chosen not to be accepting of influences and information offered through the forum of other mere mortals, so to speak.  Therefore, within his belief systems, he has chosen to be creating of the action of disengagement, and in that action, prior to the movement into the action of transition, has chosen to be creating actual imagery in conjunction with his physically focused belief systems, offering himself an avenue to move into the position of transition in the knowing, so to speak, of remanifestation into the final throes of this shift in consciousness and offering himself the presentment of imagery of “entities” which hold more knowing and powerfulness than mere mortals.

Vic’s note:  Elias is using the term “mere mortals” quite lightly!

Now; be remembering, these are all projections of belief systems and is merely the projection of imagery, in like manner to what you view within physical focus as holograms, but it shall speak to him.

In this — once again — there is the presentment to you that each individual shall be receiving information and shall be assimilating in accordance with their perception, which is their reality.

In this, it may be chosen quite differently from your reality, but they shall be offering themselves the same directions, so to speak, for you are all moving in harmony with each other in the same direction, accomplishing the same movement of inserting this shift in consciousness into your official reality within this dimension.  You merely are participating in this action in different manners.

RODNEY:  Okay.  Alright.  I thank you for that.

ELIAS:  You are quite welcome.

RODNEY:  I need to review it when I get it back in written form, I think, to get the full import.

I have a dream that I had a few days ago, and I’d like you to comment on it.  I find myself in the dream fully clothed holding a young boy, I believe in my right arm, and I’m holding onto a long tether, a line of some kind ... would you hold a minute while I change my tape?

ELIAS:  Very well.

RODNEY:  Thank you. (Pause)

I’m holding onto this line, which is coming out of some kind of a flying object very high in the sky, and the line is coming down to me, and I’m in the water.  I’m in a huge river of some kind — big waves, rapids — and this tether is helping somehow.  I record in my journal that there is an individual in this flying boat who is good and our protector, and someone else who is bad and against us.

The next thing that happens is that the line gets tangled in a huge tree, and I lose it for that reason.  Then we come upon some land where there is a very old village, and there are some strange people there who are protecting something, or appear to be, and they present me with this huge dog — it’s kind of a test — and I go into myself and I find that part of me which is very gentle and loving, and it’s like I send this dog my gentle, loving energy, and the dog responds and I pet it, and when I do that, I am accepted by the people of the town.  I almost think that I would like to live there.

I go for a walk, and it seems like it’s on the other side of the town.  There are all of these huge tree trunks sticking out of the marsh, and they are dead and dying, and there’s a fog and a mist there.  I’m fascinated by this vision, and I wonder what it will be like ... what it looks like when it’s flooded again from the water.  That’s the end of the dream.

It appears to me that the dream is about, in many respects, my dying, or at least my subconscious.  The dog seems to be part of a guardian, or THE guardian, and I seem to have negotiated a good standing with this guardian.  Could you comment on the dream in general, and particularly about the individual in the flying boat who I perceive as being bad and against me?

ELIAS:  Very well.

In this, I say to you that you are not presenting yourself with imagery concerning disengagement or death.  What you have presented yourself with in this imagery is an accounting of your movement within your focus in this present time framework, and slightly futurely.  It is an overview, so to speak, an assessment of your movement and your position, in a manner of speaking, of your focus presently; an evaluation, in other terms.

In this, you image yourself to be within waters that appear to be moving within rapids.  You hold to this tether that is connected to this boat, which holds these two individuals that are steering the boat.

First of all, I express to you that you image yourself within this water as yourself, within certain time frameworks and scenarios in your focus, in the midst of turbulence.  But within the midst of these expressions of turbulence, you also hold to this line which is attached to this boat with these two individuals above you.

Now; be remembering you also hold a small one within your hand as you are within the midst of these turbulent waters.  In this, the small one that you hold is your imagery of all other individuals that you feel responsible for.

RODNEY:  Really!

ELIAS:  It is your responsibility, within your imagery, to be protective of this small one and to be holding it free from the turbulence and the movement of the rapids within the water, therefore offering it your expression of protection.  This is the imagery which is expressive of elements of personal responsibility that you hold within yourself in relation to other individuals.

Looking to the boat and the two individuals within it, these are the expression of what you would term to be equal powers; one being that of what you view to be essence, which appears to be kind and protective of you, and the other being the imagery of the expression of yourself, which you view to be fighting against essence ... and [to be] the holder of belief systems which may be damaging and bad.

RODNEY:  You’re saying that the person in the boat, who I thought I saw as being bad and against us, represents myself?

ELIAS:  Correct, for you as the focus hold the belief systems, and of course, these are very bad! (Chuckling)  And quite damaging to you!  HA HA!

In this, you image yourself in the vein of negativity.  Subsequently, you view that the line becomes entangled with the tree, and therefore you seem to lose the grip upon this rope.

RODNEY:  Right.

ELIAS:  In this, the rope represents, within your imagery, experiences which are created within your focus.

Now; these experiences may become quite distracting at times.

RODNEY:  Okay.

ELIAS:  Therefore, you are paying attention to the experiences, viewing them once again as absolutes.  Therefore, you are distracting your attention with many of the entanglements in these experiences, and losing sight thusly of the two individuals within the boat, as it appears that they slip away from you.

RODNEY:  Yes.  Alright, so the line being entangled in the tree is kind of symbolic of the confusion and conflict I create for myself.

ELIAS:  Quite, in your entanglement in experiences which distract you from your attention in viewing self and essence.

RODNEY:  Okay.  Alright....

ELIAS:  Now you move to this village.

RODNEY:  Yes.

ELIAS:  And within this village, you view these individuals within this tribe.  In this, you have imaged this village in this manner quite purposefully.  It follows in continuation with this dream imagery, for now you turn your attention to the simplicity of your creation of your reality and the effortlessness of your reality.

You image this in the symbology of primitiveness, for you equate primitive with simple.

RODNEY:  Yes.

ELIAS:  Therefore, you image this village in primitive terms, which is your suggestion to yourself of the simplicity of your reality, and this holds great attraction to you, and you express the longing to be continuing in that simplicity ...

RODNEY:  I understand that!

ELIAS:  ... without the complication that is introduced into your reality.  Therefore, there is a very strong draw to continue to be interactive within this village.  They offer you this creature, this dog, which you project to, and it is receiving and accepting.

In this symbology, in the simplicity of the reality within your imagery, you have offered yourself the offering of an image or a “holder of self” which shall be accepting of your expressions and shall be receiving of all that you express outwardly and wish to be offering.  It readily is accepting of that, and is holding of your expressions in acceptance.

RODNEY:  You’re talking about the dog.

ELIAS:  Correct.  This is the expression of you in your acceptance of yourself in simplicity.

RODNEY:  Wow!  The dog was a beautiful, tan, amber color.

ELIAS:  And this is the presentment to yourself, as this color resonates with your individual vibrational quality.

RODNEY:  Yes, I feel it does.

ELIAS:  Correct, for you within this focus resonate at a very similar vibrational quality.

RODNEY:  Okay.

ELIAS:  Now; subsequently you move into the area of this fog or mist.

RODNEY:  Right.  Elias, the dog therefore was not truly protecting anything, was it?

ELIAS:  No.  It is holding of all that you assess as precious and valuable, which is yourself.

RODNEY:  Wow.  The other people in the village seemed to be waiting to see how the dog reacted to me.

ELIAS:  Quite, for this is the expression of you, and shall you be accepting of yourself or not?

RODNEY:  Thank you!

ELIAS:  You are welcome.

Now you move into the expression of the mist, and your curiosity and your anticipation for the flood waters.

RODNEY:  Yes.

ELIAS:  Now; this is your identification, in imagery, of the recognition of cloudedness within certain movements of yourself — assimilating information, moving through your focus in conjunction with this shift in consciousness, and widening your awareness.

Now; within this action of widening your awareness, you are opening to the gray, which you image as the mist or the fog.  You are moving out of the expression of absolutes and cause and effect and black and white, and moving....

RODNEY:  Everything in this image was gray, or a tone of gray ...

ELIAS:  Quite.

RODNEY:  ... even the soil, except for the tree trunks, which were darkish.

ELIAS:  Quite.

This is the imagery that you present to yourself in expression that you are moving into this gray area in which there are the presentment of endless choices for you, but it is misty — it is clouded — for you have not yet entirely allowed yourself to be recognizing all that is presented within this grayness, for it is unfamiliar to you in your widening of awareness.

But you DO distinguish some objects which seem to be darker than other elements within the gray.  Therefore, they are more distinguishable.  In this, you are imaging to yourself that certain aspects within this gray area are becoming clearer.  As you widen your awareness, your focus is tuning clearly.

In this, you also hold the anticipation of the flood waters, that they shall be once again covering this area.

Now; you do not hold fearfulness of these flood waters ...

RODNEY:  No, I don’t.

ELIAS:  ... but an anticipation of them.  This is the rush of energy within consciousness and the accomplishment of the shift that you anticipate.

RODNEY:  Wow.  I thank you!

ELIAS:  You are very welcome, my friend.

RODNEY:  I thank you, I thank you, for all of the above!

ELIAS:  And I express to you that this is quite creative imagery that you have offered to yourself quite efficiently in your evaluation of your focus presently.

RODNEY:  Good.  Do you ever get involved in helping me create dreams?

ELIAS:  I do not create dreams with you, although at times, as you call upon myself within your dream state, I may be responsive and interactive with you in YOUR creation of your dream imagery.

RODNEY:  Okay, I look forward to that.  We’re gonna have to wait until some of that fog clears!

ELIAS:  HA HA HA!  Not necessarily!

RODNEY:  Oh, really?! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles)

Well, Elias, I hope to be speaking to you again very soon, but at the moment, I have other appointments that I need to attend to this morning.

ELIAS:  Very well.

RODNEY:  I would like to say good-bye ... for the moment.

ELIAS:  And I express to you, Zacharie, great affection, and I shall be anticipating our interaction once again futurely.

RODNEY:  Thank you, thank you.

ELIAS:  To you this day, I offer energy in encouragement, and express to you a very loving au revoir.

RODNEY:  Thank you, sir.  Good-bye.

Elias departs at 10:13 AM.

Vic’s note:  Rodney transcribed this session in longhand and sent it to me with the following note:

“I transcribed this session because I was suffering from a serious lower back pain, and I just “knew” that what Elias had said was the key to my cure.  And it really worked!  This guy knows what he is talking about!”

Rodney, I shall treasure the script you sent.  I used to transcribe all the sessions in longhand, so I know what’s involved.  Thanks for sharing your creative expression with me.  Love, Vic

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