Session 3174
Translations: ES

Ho'oponopono: The Healing Power of Real Acceptance


“Ho'oponopono: The Healing Power of Real Acceptance”
“Going Out of Body”
“Experiencing Interconnectedness”
“To Engage or Not to Engage”

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“Ho'oponopono: The Healing Power of Real Acceptance”
“Going Out of Body”
“Experiencing Interconnectedness”
“To Engage or Not to Engage”

Wednesday, August 12, 2013 (Private, in Person)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Rodney (Zacharie)

“When you express an energy of allowance and acceptance, all that you view that is wrong or that is annoying or that is bothersome or that is threatening dissolves, for you are projecting that first.”

ELIAS: Good afternoon!

RODNEY: Good afternoon to you! (Both laugh)

ELIAS: And what have you been accomplishing?

RODNEY: I’ve been loaded for bear here with questions. (Elias laughs) Okay. So just for the fun of it: You talk about accomplishments, I got one impression. I mean, I made an effort to get an impression.

ELIAS: Excellent!

RODNEY: It’s a woman named Susan. Her last initial is D. I trust you know who I’m talking about. She’s a member of the New York Awareness Group. She’s been to a couple of the Elias sessions. Do you know who I’m talking about? Okay. She’s retired. Lovely woman. Families: Now I don’t know whether they’re belonging or aligning, but I got the impression of Borledim and Milumet.

ELIAS: Belonging and alignment, respective.

RODNEY: Belonging, Borledim?

ELIAS: Correct.

RODNEY: Aligning, Milumet?

ELIAS: Correct.

RODNEY: I got them both right! Holey moley! (Elias laughs) So…

ELIAS: Congratulations!

RODNEY: Thank you. Orientation I sense is common.

ELIAS: Correct.

RODNEY: Okay. Now, just correct if this is wrong. I asked for a name, and I got one. You say it’s trust, right?


RODNEY: It’s either Allakka or Allekka.

ELIAS: Allekka.


ELIAS: The latter.

RODNEY: Spell it.


RODNEY: Allekka.

ELIAS: Congratulations!

RODNEY: Do you know what I said after I got that name? “One point!”

ELIAS: (Laughs) I agree.

RODNEY: Thank you. (Elias laughs) So, I’m accomplishing.

ELIAS: You are!

RODNEY: (Laughs) Okay. Well, we’re on the little stuff here, because I’ve got some big stuff. Not that that’s little! (Elias chuckles) In the middle of last month, I think in the last month, but it’s happened twice: I’m lying in bed, I don’t know whether I was drifting off to sleep or just waking up, a half-awake kind of thing. My entire body was… I was lying on my back both times. It’s like a board bouncing up and down on the bed. The second time it happened, I thought the cat was on the bed and scratching her ear, which would make the bed vibrate, but the bed wasn’t vibrating. I’m the one…like a board! Bump, bump, bump, bump, bump. What’s going on there?

ELIAS: (Chuckles) And your assessment?

RODNEY: Energy of some kind.


RODNEY: Am I going into transition?


RODNEY: I’ve got no impressions.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) This is an experience that you are generating being aware in an objective state of not quite generating a projection or an out-of-body experience, but almost.

RODNEY: You know, that thought might have come to me at one point. Really!

ELIAS: Not quite letting go enough to allow yourself to actually move outside of your body and view your body, but almost.

RODNEY: Oh, my goodness. Wow! Okay. Because the second time it happened, I actually stopped it. I won’t stop it the next time. (Elias laughs) Oh, that’s good news. Really. Thank you!

ELIAS: You are welcome.

RODNEY: That’s a lot better than going into transition. (Elias laughs) I’ve got nothing against going into transition, except I’m not ready for it yet. (Both laugh) I wrote down there, “Clicking open or closed, in and out of body.” I think that’s what that reminded me of. Son of a gun! (Elias laughs)

Okay. My identification of different states of energy that occur: Somebody sent me a flash dance—they call them flash dances, you know, [where] 20, 30, 40, 50 people or more go out to a mall or a park and they start dancing. And somebody sent me this video of this flash dance, and these people go crazy. I mean, the energy that they exude is just… One was in Russia, and they’re playing boom boxes or something like that, of this… it’s always a fast-tempo music. I could feel the energy come up in me. I went ballistic, Elias. It was like—and I knew what I was doing, and I just allowed it. I didn’t want it to stop. I’m wound up. I mean tears, snot, saliva, I’m yelling, I’m screaming, right? I was so joyous at just participating in the energy of that. I sent it to Daniil and Natasha, so…

Now, this occurs when I allow myself to participate—really participate—in music, dance. I don’t do it, right? If I go to a concert, I’d probably be wiping tears off my eyes half the time. But that one with the Russians: is that simply my connecting with that group of people, or is there something else involved there?

ELIAS: Experiencing the interconnectedness is not merely “connecting to.” That is an action that…

RODNEY: I mean, it’s like I was there with them.

ELIAS: Correct.

RODNEY: Energetically, I’m there with them.

ELIAS: “Connecting to” is an action that you generate in observing, and…

RODNEY: Oh, this goes way beyond observing.

ELIAS: …in a manner of speaking, allowing yourself to generate that recognition of connection. But experiencing interconnectedness is the action of letting down that veil of separation between yourself and all that is in your reality. You experience it without the separation, that you are a part of what is occurring.

RODNEY: These states… It’s happened with a horse, it’s happened with a picture of a bear, it’s happened with the videos, with music. I’ve never experienced anything as satisfying and fulfilling.

ELIAS: For that is your natural state.

RODNEY: It’s that state.

ELIAS: As consciousness, as essence, as the being that you are, that is your natural state, that interconnectedness.

RODNEY: We’ve certainly removed ourselves pretty far from that.

ELIAS: Yes, you have. But when you allow yourself to experience that—or re-experience it—


ELIAS: --there is an immediate recognition of how natural it is. And it is ultimately satisfying, for it is such a natural state of being.

RODNEY: I would almost ask, is there any way I can bring it on? But I don’t know how to do that.

ELIAS: You can. I would express to you, my friend, most individuals within your reality incorporate their entire lifetimes seeking that.

RODNEY: Really.

ELIAS: This is the reason that individuals couple together, that they marry, that individuals procreate. It is the reason that drives much of your sexual activity. It is the reason that individuals seek out friendships or groups, that sense of belonging, that sense of interconnectedness. They are searching for that natural state of what you are.

For within YOUR reality, in the DESIGN of your reality, it includes separation. You incorporate individual entities. That promotes that aspect of separation. And throughout your history you have moved more and more and more into that separation. You have created more and more and more isolation of yourselves, and less and less of a recognition of that interconnectedness.

RODNEY: But what I find interesting is that I have, for almost thirty years, been a celibate monk—except for maybe one or two extremely brief episodes. I’m not in a relationship, at least in any way that remotely reflects a romantic type. I would hazard that the only really close relationship I have is with my son. And I have a lot of relationships with a lot of people, but they don’t incorporate or seem to promise anything that resembles this interconnectedness.

ELIAS: For that is very familiar. As I expressed, you have been developing this expression of separation for thousands of years, more and more of it. You promote what you think of or what you identify as “good” in independence and individual freedom.

Not that these are bad, but you express them to an extreme, in which it promotes more and more and more separation, less and less interconnectedness. In which, the individual becomes so isolated that you become not only separate entities in a physical form, but that you create this shield around yourselves to further that isolation and to further that separation. And you turn expressions of individuality and independence into expressions that promote isolation rather than promoting that interconnectedness.

Individuality is not threatened by interconnectedness. You each incorporate your own uniqueness, your own individuality and individual expression that sets you as different from each other, but that does not automatically separate you. You have developed it INTO a separation.

In this, you seek out relationships to discover, or re-discover, that interconnectedness, and for the most part most individuals do not experience it. For in the seeking out of coupling or engaging groups and interacting with other individuals, you hold that shield regardless, place this individual bubble around yourselves, that you allow your own vulnerability only to an extent. You allow that freedom of openness—which is vulnerability—

RODNEY: I am moving in that direction.

ELIAS: Yes, I would most definitely agree!

RODNEY: You know, it’s odd. I could go live on a mountain, literally. It’s not just a question of making do—I could fall in love with being by myself.


RODNEY: I see these people that go into the wilderness up in Alaska, they don’t see a human being for a year. And I’m sitting there thinking, “My god! To be so focused in that!” You know, I’m almost envious. But then there’s practicalities, and I don’t go to the mountain.

But when I moved to where I live now, I completely separated physically, distance-wise, myself from everybody I knew, and I’m in a group of people who are so much not like me. They’re very religious. They go to church every week. Some of them go to church every day. Not only that, they’re Catholic, a lot of them, or some other high religion. And I found myself unwilling to be surrounded by these people, because we live in kind of like a complex, but I’m interacting with them. So from day one I introduced myself to everybody I saw: “Hi, my name is Rodney, I just moved in. What’s your name?” I started to remember their names. We have nothing in common, so…I didn’t like the food at the canteen, except on Sundays it was edible. So I went down and said I’d like to volunteer—because it’s run by volunteers—just to be with people. “And what would you do?” Well, there’s something that if you volunteer, nobody’s going to deny you. I said, “I’ll wash the dishes.” They’ve got these big stainless steel trays, they’re a nuisance to wash. And they just said, “Yeah!” Welcomed me with open arms.

So I filled a circle of acquaintances—not so much as they’re friends, although we’re very friendly with each other. They all grew up in that town, or close by, so they’ve all got history together. Some of them went to kindergarten with each other! I am really the black sheep there. I’m getting a tremendous sense of… I guess you’d have to call it—not like with the horses and the bears or the dancers, but there’s a sense of interconnectedness because I’m not discussing philosophy, religion. I just sit there and interact when I can, allowing them to be who they are. They’re not trying to impress anybody.

ELIAS: And allowing yourself to really BE.

RODNEY: Exactly! Now… Of course, this leads to another incident. They play cards morning, noon and night. (Elias chuckles) So there’s a group, and they started inviting me to play. And I said, “Nah, there’s too many cards on the table. I couldn’t keep track.” These people are all 78 or better, Loretta’s going on 95 I think—unbelievable woman. “How about playing poker?” they said. I’ve been playing poker now for a year or two with these gals, and once in a while there’s another guy who plays. We play for nickels and dimes. We don’t talk about a lot of stuff, but we have a lot of fun together!

Now; there’s one woman who irritates the hell out of me. I get irritated because she discounts herself, because she makes life difficult for herself where it doesn’t have to be. And, she picks on me. So we’re playing a game, everybody’s dropped out but three of us. There’s six at the table. I don’t drop out. She says, “Why aren’t you dropping out?” I’m trying to watch the play and concentrate on the game. “Why aren’t you dropping out?” I said, “Because I can—I can still win.” And, you know, this is a friendly game—you do this at a real poker game, they’d throw you out the door.

She kept insisting, “Why aren’t you dropping out?” Elias, I lost my temper. I blew my stack, because I had analyzed all the cards. There were three cards out. I could have beaten two good hands. And she’s saying, “Why are you not dropping out?” Well, it was a stupid question to ask, and it would have been even more out of line for me to tell her. I’m trying to… I’m focusing on… but she’s AT me. I screamed. I screamed, I swore, but I went like this: [doing hand motions]. I was going like this, like this. I was kind of like expressing but containing it.

What was I doing there? Tell me the horrible truth.

ELIAS: (Laughs) First of all, express to myself, why was that a stupid question?

RODNEY: What she was asking? It wasn’t stupid for her to ask the question; it was out of line for her to be asking it while I’m trying to concentrate on playing the game.


RODNEY: You don’t discuss the strength of your hand. Well, okay, I’ve got a belief there. You don’t discuss how strong your hand is…

ELIAS: She was not asking you to discuss how strong your hand was. She was asking you why you were not dropping out.

RODNEY: And I was telling her, “Because I could still win.” But she kept coming back.

ELIAS: For that was an unsatisfactory answer.

RODNEY: Yes, it was—to her. What was I…

ELIAS: It was not also an accurate answer, which is the reason that she continued to express the question.

RODNEY: But the only way I could answer the question was to point out that there were three cards that could have given me a straight flush, which would have beaten the other two hands.

ELIAS: No. No. No.

RODNEY: What could I have said, or what am I missing here?

ELIAS: What you could have said is, “Because I want to play.”

RODNEY: (Laughs) Okay. I can see…

ELIAS: Which would be accurate!

RODNEY: I can see exactly…

ELIAS: You complicated the situation.

RODNEY: My question to you is “Why? What was I triggering there?”

ELIAS: First of all…

RODNEY: What was I afraid of? I mean, we’re talking about attachments, we’re talking about all kinds of stuff.

ELIAS: Correct!

RODNEY: So what…?

ELIAS: First of all, you complicated the situation.

RODNEY: Why did I complicate?

ELIAS: She asked a simple question, and you complicated the answer, rather than offering her a simple answer: “I want to continue playing. That’s why I am not dropping out. I want to play”—simple answer to a simple question.

But in this, also, she irritates you, for you are expressing from your guidelines, which you all do – you all do this. You have your own guidelines, in everything that you do. It matters not what it is that you do, you have your own guidelines in relation to what is the right manner to express and what is not, what is the right manner in how to do something and what is not.

RODNEY: So I was…

ELIAS: What is the comfortable manner to do something, and what is not? You expressed, she irritates you, for she is expressing in a manner that discounts herself, and in YOUR perception she is discounting herself, and that is not necessary and it annoys you, or it distresses you that this individual is discounting themself. That is YOUR perception. That may not be her perception. Even complaining is not always what it seems to be. You are filtering through your own guidelines and your perception and generating an evaluation and a judgment about the other individual.

Now; if you were paying attention to you, rather than holding your attention on her…

RODNEY: I was paying attention to me, and I could feel myself getting…

ELIAS: Irritated.

RODNEY: …upset. Yes.

ELIAS: And angry.

RODNEY: Right.

ELIAS: If you were genuinely paying attention to you, rather than only paying attention to the feelings (Rodney laughs)—key point.

RODNEY: I wasn’t asking for the message, was I?

ELIAS: No, you were not. You were paying attention to the feelings.

Now; if you were GENUINELY paying attention to you, you would be questioning yourself, “Why is this irritating me? What am I generating an importance with that is not necessarily important?”

RODNEY: I began to do that immediately, because this was the last hand for the night…

ELIAS: Excellent.

RODNEY: …and we got up from the table. That was bugging me for the rest of the night.

ELIAS: Excellent.

RODNEY: But I didn’t get any answers that I recognized.

ELIAS: It is a matter of asking yourself, “What did I make important?” [Answering the question] Her expression, what she was expressing, what she was doing and how she was behaving…

RODNEY: I was making that important.

ELIAS: Yes. You were. IS it important?

RODNEY: Not really.

ELIAS: No. But you MADE it important.


ELIAS: And therefore it became very bothersome to you, for it is not what YOU would do. And beyond being an expression that YOU would not do, beyond that you also generated an evaluation: “Another individual should not do it either, for it is discounting of themselves.” That is not your judgment to make.

RODNEY: Now, when I made the statement about discounting, she does that in other ways.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

RODNEY: She verbalizes it.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

Now; in this, remember: It is not about her. Therefore, it is about “Why are you bothered? What is it that is bothersome to you? And in that, where are your choices?”

There are time frameworks and individuals that may BE bothersome to you, or irritating to you, for there may be differences that are significant enough that trigger expressions within yourself and that are distracting. And in that, you incorporate choices of: if I see that this individual is consistently bothersome to me, and I have already evaluated why this individual is consistently bothersome to me—not in relation to them or what I think about them, but in relation to me and what is comfortable for me—then I can choose whether to continue to participate with this individual, or not.

Let me also express to you, when you are being bothered by another individual, the reason that you are being bothered is that you are already investing with that individual.

RODNEY: Investing?


RODNEY: That’s a new word. What do you mean?

ELIAS: You have already allowed yourself to involve yourself with that individual, and you are investing your energy in that individual. And when you do that, this is the reason that the other individual’s behavior can become bothersome to you. If you are not invested, the other individual is not bothersome to you—they can express in any manner they choose.

RODNEY: What do you mean by “invested”? Embellish, please.

ELIAS: You generate—or you have generated—financial investments, correct? Pastly.

RODNEY: Yes. Yes.

ELIAS: What do you do when you invest financially?

RODNEY: Well, you create expectations.

ELIAS: No. You are taking what you have, what you possess, what you own…


ELIAS: What belongs to you…

RODNEY: And you’re giving it to somebody else.

ELIAS: …and you are investing it into something else. You are taking a part of you and putting it into something else.

RODNEY: Okay. I’ve got it.

ELIAS: Now; in doing so, you are placing an importance and a value in what you are investing in.

RODNEY: Ah! Okay.

ELIAS: But in that, when you place that value upon what you are investing in, when you are not aware that you are investing you are also generating an automatic expectation of a return, in a very similar manner to when you invest financially. You do it, for you expect a return.

RODNEY: So this is what…When people create intimate relationships, marriages and things like that, they invest in each other.

ELIAS: Yes. But in that, they are not paying attention to what they are investing in, or why. They merely do it automatically. You automatically do it.

RODNEY: So I’ve been doing it automatically with this particular woman, which is why…

ELIAS: You do it with many, many, many individuals. And occasionally, one of those individuals becomes bothersome to you. You do it automatically, for you are not paying attention to what you are doing. You are not asking yourself key questions: “Do I want to, or not?”

RODNEY: So when I invest in her, which I…

ELIAS: You expect…

RODNEY: I’m not sure exactly how I did that, but…

ELIAS: You automatically do it. You do it by paying attention to her.

RODNEY: Right.

ELIAS: She becomes more important, for your attention is fixed upon her.

RODNEY: Because of the investment.


RODNEY: And once you have the investment, you expect some kind of a return.


RODNEY: And when it doesn’t meet your expectations, you become bothered.


RODNEY: Is this the mechanism we’re talking about?

ELIAS: Yes. Yes. And all of that can easily be avoided by paying attention to what you are investing in, and choosing.

You can be engaging the game of poker with the other five individuals in the group. And in that, each one of those individuals, you can, in a matter of seconds—as I have expressed to you previously, my friend, it incorporates much more time for me to explain than for you to do—within a matter of seconds you can evaluate, merely by pausing and viewing each of the other individuals: “Do I want to engage, and do I want to involve myself with each or any of these individuals, or do I want to merely play the game?”

RODNEY: I do that all the time.

ELIAS: If you did, this individual would not BE bothersome to you.

RODNEY: Well then, what am I missing? Say that again.

ELIAS: You are missing the involvement of your attention. You are involving your attention with certain individuals, rather than involving your attention only with the cards.

RODNEY: Ah! Oh, oh.

ELIAS: You are allowing yourself to involve your attention with certain individuals: what they are doing, how they are expressing, how they are playing.

RODNEY: I do that all the time. Okay. Yes.

ELIAS: That is the investment.

RODNEY: I do that constantly.

ELIAS: Yes. You do. But you do it automatically, without incorporating an awareness of the choice that is involved, that you can choose who you want to invest and who you do not.

RODNEY: Ah! I’m aware of that. And I’m aware that I am investing in these people because they interest me. I pay attention to them.

ELIAS: Excellent.

RODNEY: They’re so different.

ELIAS: But this one individual is bothersome to you, but you choose to continue to invest.

RODNEY: Right. Okay.

ELIAS: I would not express that this is necessarily some association that you are responding to, or an issue; it is merely that you are presenting to yourself this simple factor, that yes, there are many, many, many individuals that you are investing in, for you want to.

RODNEY: Right.

ELIAS: But it is not an action that is all or nothing. It is not an action that you either turn on the investing and invest in everyone, or you turn off the investing and you invest in no one. No, you can choose that there are some individuals that you choose not to invest in, and that means that they are not worthy of your attention.

RODNEY: Right. Okay.

ELIAS: Not that they are not valuable in themselves, but that within you, you are not interested in investing your attention.

Now; that simplifies the situations, in which, as your example, she may ask the question, “Why are you not dropping out?” and you can very simply and genuinely express, “For I want to play.” There is no investment in that answer.


ELIAS: It does not INVOLVE her. When you are expressing, “For I want to win,” or “I can win,” you ARE involving her. Now you are engaging her: “I want to win from you.”

RODNEY: No, she wasn’t in the game.

ELIAS: It matters not.

RODNEY: She had dropped out.

ELIAS: It matters not, for winning continues to place her in a position of not winning.


ELIAS: And in that, you are continuing to engage. You are continuing to involve yourself with her, regardless of whether she is continuing to play the game or not. It matters not. That is an incidental. What is important is how you are directing your attention, and what type of position she is now occupying in your attention.

RODNEY: This is a fascinating subject, and I’d like to kind of bend it a little bit, --

ELIAS: Very well.

RODNEY: --the direction of it. And I thank you for everything, because for some reason it holds a lot of insight for me.

Talk about attention: There’s a guy by the name of Dr.—I can’t pronounce his first name, it’s Hawaiian—Hew Len, H-E-W L-E-N, who is a proponent of ho’oponopono. It’s an ancient system of mediating family disputes--that’s where it started, in Hawaii. Now, I have a sense—I don’t know this, because I’m not a historian—I have a sense that this man is singularly significantly different in his practice of this ho’oponopono than other practitioners who claim to be, you know, ho’oponopono. I checked this out, it seems to be true, he’s a doctor. After several years of being invited to take charge of a mental hospital for the criminally insane he continually refused, but after a period of time he decided that this was a challenge he wanted to accept. So he took over the directorship. This was a very horrible place. They point out that the energy was so bad that they stopped trying to paint the walls because the paint would not stick. People were scared out of their wits to even be in the place.

He took over an office, he asked for a file on each of the patients, and he never really interacted with any of them. He did not engage them in any way, except of course his managerial duties with the staff. Slowly but surely, the tension in the place began to release itself. People began to get, quote-unquote, “better,” act more and more like human beings. This progressed at such a rate that at the end of four years every patient except two had been released. That’s him sitting in a office, doing whatever he did, and these people are getting healed.

ELIAS: Changing the energy.

RODNEY: Changing the energy.

Now; what fascinates me is how he views what he was doing.

ELIAS: And not participating in what you don’t like or what you don’t want.

RODNEY: Yes. Absolutely! Listen, I wrote this down: “What is going on in me?” He says this: “This didn’t have anything to DO with them.”

ELIAS: Precisely.

RODNEY: “It had everything to do with me, and it’s based on my being 100% responsible for myself.”


RODNEY: Quote: “What is going on in me, that I am experiencing THIS experience?” (Pause) And, “I’ve experienced a patient being violent. I experienced the staff going crazy”—that sort of stuff. And he says he cleans himself. He said—I hope I can get this straight—, “There’s information in me.” He calls it data, okay? “It’s the data in me that’s seeing the violence in them.”


RODNEY: “It’s the data in me that’s doing that.” He quotes Shakespeare on a couple of occasions, and other people. So, “I clear. I erase.” He uses the term erase: “I erase the data in me.”


RODNEY: And he says he has a… He says, “Forgive me.” But he’s saying that to his soul. He’s not asking anybody else to forgive him, he’s not telling anybody else he forgives them, he is saying, “Forgive me,” and that’s a statement to his soul. Because as he sees it, the data—and he calls it data—is a veil.


RODNEY: It’s a curtain. He can’t see through the data to the soul that he wants to experience that.

Now, my sense of what he’s doing—because he’s had a tremendous effect on me, and from what I’ve read about other ho’oponopono practitioners, they’re nowhere near where this guy is. He’s out there by himself, with a small circle of friends. But it would help me, because I’ve so accustomed myself to the terminology that you’ve been using, that you’ve been defining, the concepts, to view what he’s doing in YOUR language.

ELIAS: The data that he expresses is the same as when I express guidelines.


ELIAS: He is using a different word. It means the same. It is all the information that you each incorporate that is your design…

RODNEY: Of how things should be.

ELIAS: Yes. Or what is right and what is wrong, and what is comfortable and what is uncomfortable.

RODNEY: This is all about duplicity and acceptance.

ELIAS: That is all the data: all the ideas, all of the expressions, all of the judgments…

RODNEY: That we have not accepted.

ELIAS: Yes. Or, that you accepted for yourself but you have not generated that recognition fully yet, that you continue to project it to every other individual.

[The timer for the end of the session rings]

Just as this woman at the game. You project YOUR data, YOUR guidelines to her. And in that, you make HER responsible for what you are expressing. You are no longer being fully responsible for you. You project it onto another individual: “YOU are responsible for what I do, for how I perceive, for what I feel, for what I think.” No, they are not. YOU are responsible for you.

RODNEY: That’s what he’s doing.

ELIAS: Yes. And in that, I would express that this may be an excellent example, for even in his ritual—and ritual can be very beneficial, for it offers you a focal point, it offers you something to focus upon, to allow yourself to not be distracted and to engage a very specific action. That is what ritual does.

Now; in that, he incorporates the ritual, as you expressed, or in his terms a clearing. And what that is doing is, it is acknowledging all of that data—or guidelines—they exist. He acknowledges them, and he sets them to the side.

RODNEY: And he uses his concepts, but he’s so consistent with what you’re telling us. The data stands between myself and my soul. I look at the data and I say, “I love you. Thank you for showing up to give me another opportunity to love you.” Truly acknowledging and accepting these ideas.

ELIAS: It is not a matter of fighting with yourself, my friend, or denying your expression.

RODNEY: But the power of what he can do…

ELIAS: It is tremendous, and you incorporate that same power. You incorporate that same power in equal measure. It is a matter of recognizing…As I have expressed, you all view your world individually through your own individual lenses, but you expect that your world IS what you see through that lens, and it is not!

You very consistently and very often express to yourselves, to each other, even to myself: “I want to know what the official reality is. I know I create my reality, but what is the official reality? What is the REAL reality?” That IS the real reality, and every individual that exists upon your planet incorporates a slightly different one. Some incorporate a considerably different one. They are all real. They are all the official reality. There is no separate official reality. The difference in what this individual is doing is that he is recognizing his own lens.

RODNEY: He is such a likable guy.

ELIAS: And setting it to the side. Not denying it, not ridding himself of it, but incorporating that personal responsibility: “This is mine. But it is only mine.”

And therefore, when I am expressing that interconnectedness that you so value, this is not a part of that. This is MY guidelines, that helps me to function in my world in the least amount of conflict and what is the most comfortable FOR ME, and that reflects what I value the most, what is the most important to me. That is all of that data.

RODNEY: But it doesn’t say anything about the other people.

ELIAS: No. No. Theirs are all different, and it does not apply to them. It only applies to you.

Therefore, he views that, he acknowledges that, accepts it: “This is mine, but it is only mine. Therefore, when I am engaging the collective energy, I want to engage that collective energy without my expectations.”

Allow it to be what it is. When you express an energy of allowance and acceptance, all that you view that is wrong or that is annoying or that is bothersome or that is threatening dissolves, for you are projecting that first.

RODNEY: That’s the power of real acceptance.


RODNEY: That’s awesome. I thank you.

ELIAS: You are very welcome.

RODNEY: Do I have any connection to this doctor?

ELIAS: Yes, you do.

RODNEY: What is it?

ELIAS: You incorporate many focuses with this individual.

RODNEY: How many?

ELIAS: 82.


ELIAS: And you also incorporate a counterpart action with this individual now.

RODNEY: That’s what I was… It’s a counterpart.


RODNEY: It’s going both ways.


RODNEY: I felt that. I watched this interview for an hour. I was spellbound by his energy, his answers, his humor, his…small wonder. (Elias chuckles) What is… He’s got to be… (Pause) There’s got to be a lot of Milumet in him.

ELIAS: Alignment.

RODNEY: Alignment. Alignment. Belonging to Tumold? No?

ELIAS: Sumafi.

RODNEY: Sumafi! Well, that’s a connection, too.

ELIAS: Yes, it is.

RODNEY: Sumafi/Milumet. Religious?


RODNEY: Essence name?

ELIAS: Essence name: Poi, (POY) P-O-I.

RODNEY: Poi. (Chuckles) Thank you very much.

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my friend. I shall greatly be anticipating our next meeting.


ELIAS: Always stimulating.

RODNEY: Thank you. (Both laugh)

Oh! One last question. If I wanted to take a really great picture of you, would you pose for me?


RODNEY: I’ll bring my camera the next time.

ELIAS: Very well. (Both laugh)

RODNEY: I’ve got many of you, but you’ve always been occupied with twenty or thirty other people. (Both laugh)

ELIAS: Very well!

RODNEY: Thank you.

ELIAS: I express tremendous affection to you, my dear friend, as always, in much encouragement for your accomplishments.

RODNEY: Thank you.

ELIAS: Until our next meeting, au revoir.


(Elias departs after 1 hour, 10 minutes)

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Copyright 2013 Mary Ennis, All Rights Reserved.