Session 2883
Translations: PT

The Key, Part 2: Support by Acknowledging, Not Opposing


“The Key, Part 2: Support by Acknowledging, Not Opposing”
“The Imagery of Damaging the Body at the Orange Energy Center”
“Extreme Actions to Counter Extreme Self-Judgment”
“(Paraphrase) The Road to Hell Is Paved with Good Intentions”

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Rose (Quillan)

[Note: The audio for the first minute or so has been lost, but the conversation was transcribed when it was available]

ELIAS: Good afternoon!

ROSE: Good morning, Elias. How are you doing?

ELIAS: As always.

ROSE: “As always”: I knew you would say that. (Both laugh) I’m very happy to have this opportunity to talk to you again. And so I’m very happy. Thank you. Okay, so let’s go straight into it, as always.

Last Sunday we stopped or were interrupted due to technical problems at the moment when I was starting to address this paraplegic body again, and I just want to continue there.

ELIAS: Very well.

ROSE: What I want to ask first briefly is, is being paralyzed a belief?

ELIAS: Not entirely. Let me explain. There are aspects about it that involve beliefs, but the physical affectingness itself is not necessarily a belief. In like manner to if an individual breaks a bone, it is not a belief that the individual has broken a bone; the bone is broken.

ROSE: Yes.

ELIAS: And then that is a physical manifestation. Or if an individual generates some type of disease, the disease is a physical manifestation. It is not a belief.

ROSE: Yeah.

ELIAS: But there are beliefs that are attached.

ROSE: Yes, makes total sense to me.


ROSE: It wouldn’t do any different if I would sit here for hours and hours to say I don’t believe that I’m paralyzed, I’m not paralyzed, I’m not paralyzed, I’m not paralyzed. This is nonsense. (Both laugh)

ELIAS: I would agree. For it is a physical manifestation and physical manifestations are very real, regardless of the reasons for them, regardless of what you do with them and regardless of your belief. They are very real.

ROSE: Yes.

ELIAS: That in that, there are beliefs that individuals attach to physical manifestation in varying degrees.

ROSE: Yes.

ELIAS: But the manifestation is an actual real manifestation.

ROSE: Yes. I agree. Ok. I would come to the next point now, the imagery of this injury and the height of the injury in the spine. I have heard the story about someone who fell from the sky, and the parachute didn’t work and he fell, I don’t know, 3 kilometers, 4 kilometers, whatever. He came down without a scratch. I fell only 4 meters and actually…

[Audio starts here]

…. I intended to break my neck, but what I did was I broke the 12th vertebrae, a breast vertebrae. One vertebrae lower and I would still be able to walk and everything, so I was thinking this is a kind of precise location and happening, and I would like to know if it is necessary to understand if there is any important information about this which would be, if I had this information, helpful to change the condition and to heal myself. Now you.

ELIAS: (Slight pause) Very well. This actually is somewhat of an interesting subject, for this also ties in to actions that individuals engage with the idea of generating suicide, and this is the reason that many times that action does not actually accomplish successfully generating suicide, for individuals do not credit their body consciousness enough with its resiliency AND with its function of maintaining existence, and therefore, there are many times in which individuals underestimate the strength of the body consciousness to continue, even if they damage it.

Now, in this, you are correct that when an individual generates some type of physical affectingness of the body consciousness in damaging it, HOW they damage it is very much associated with what they are doing and experiencing and is also somewhat associated with their individual value fulfillment. Although they may not LIKE it, there are many actions that every individual engages within their lifetime that they may not like, but it is not to say that it is not a part of their value fulfillment.

ROSE: Mm-hm.

ELIAS: In this, I do understand your direction and your desire to be generating feelings. And as you and I have discussed, this aspect does involve beliefs and the strength of them, and that can be challenging, for beliefs are strong, and they are not an expression that can easily be dismissed. And, as we have discussed, beliefs do not change. You may change how you interact with them, but the beliefs themselves do not change.

ROSE: Mm-hm.

ELIAS: In this, that also creates another factor in the challenge when you are attempting to address to certain beliefs that are very strong and wanting to change certain aspects of your objective reality in relation to those beliefs; it can be difficult. Now, in association with the particular affectingness that YOU generated in creating damaging a specific area of the spine in which you incorporate some function but some other function is now not generated, in that, you did create a damage, but not a damage that is essential, in a manner of speaking.

ROSE: Mm-hm.

ELIAS: That in relation to your existence within physical reality, you preserved certain aspects of your physical manifestation that are very important to you, and you damaged certain aspects of your physical manifestation that were not AS important.

But this is a significant factor also, for this is an example of certain aspects of perception that are very common, and every individual incorporates certain aspects of their perception in which certain expressions or manifestations that are very familiar to them become less important.

Now, understand when I express that, it is not that certain functions physically are not important, but that individuals are so very accustomed and familiar with certain functions that they do not express much of an importance in relation to them until that function is interrupted. Just as certain parts of your body consciousness – your legs, your feet, the action of walking – for most individuals, they generate little importance of those functions.


ELIAS: They do not pay attention – much – to those functions UNLESS there is some action that occurs that interrupts that natural function. Individuals generally do not pay much attention to the functioning of their back or of their organs unless they begin to generate pain, or unless the function of any of those aspects of the body consciousness becomes interrupted or they are difficult to engage. Once THAT occurs, those functions BECOME important.

ROSE: Yes, Elias! This ties in with the imagery. Why… ? I understand that my body consciousness made sure that I survived, that I did not disengage. There was a part of me obviously that wanted to survive, and I want to know how it ties in with what happened before my decision to really toss my body out of this window.

I need to speak a little bit about this. There was the situation with this person where I have been falling in love and this reencounter and all this back and forth of do I go to live with him, do I leave my family or not? And we have been talking about this in several sessions. And then I was very amazed that you did not take any reference to this when I asked you why did this whole thing happen but you came with Robert, which was pretty interesting.

But one thing I want to know is, when I made this decision to really finally toss my body out of this window, I felt like I had no emergency exit left, and I felt extremely scared to make certain steps, and I did not see any steps; it was all in one. It was not this or that, it was all together one thing, and I felt completely overwhelmed and I wanted to save myself and I wanted to rid myself of this, but also very much my family as you know. I didn’t know how to continue – how to go on, literally. And now I have no leg function anymore.

This is something I have been thinking about very often, if there is a kind of connection in this, if there is something like you could say this is an imagery, and what I have to do to be daring, feeling, feeling right, feeling free enough to continue to walk again from the inside, like having shifted beliefs and having da-da-da-da this and that, and then it gets translated by my body consciousness, then I gain the ability to walk again in like a translation of it in a movement. Can you talk about this, please?

ELIAS: Very well. I did not address to the other individual in that situation, for that was not as important as your family and the relationship that you incorporate with the individuals of your family and the interplay that you incorporate with them. And also, that you chose this particular action and direction and manifestation to continue to be engaging your family.

In a manner of speaking, the type of injury that you created was a type of metaphor. You did not merely toss yourself out of a window. What you were doing was generating an attempt to toss away parts of yourself that were difficult, distressing, confusing, blocking, and not allowing of yourself.

Now; you expressed the question, Why that particular location, why that particular physical aspect of yourself? Why not higher? Why not lower? But in relation to what you were doing in that time framework, it is quite understandable, for that particular location is associated with the orange energy center. I am aware that it seems that it would be more associated with the yellow, but I would express that most individuals generate an idea of the orange energy center as not being as large, so to speak, as the other energy centers, and they are all equal.

Now, in this, it is understandable that you would generate an action that would affect that particular energy center and would disconnect the body consciousness from the qualities – not the energy, but the qualities of the energy – of that particular energy center.

Now, understand: You can disconnect some aspects from any particular energy center. That does not disconnect it entirely. It does not disengage that particular energy center; it merely changes how the body consciousness interplays with it and responds to it, and therefore in this situation, the body consciousness is nonresponsive to it in certain qualities.

Now; when addressing to the orange energy center, this is the seat, so to speak, of sexuality. Sexuality, as you are aware, can be expressed in many, many, many different capacities and in many manifestations. But when sexuality becomes an aspect, or a significant aspect, of a tremendous conflict and is generating an energy that is very disturbing and frustrating and confusing, it is not unusual for an individual to generate some type of physical manifestation to stop that or to divert it in another direction. I will express that your choice was an extreme, but I would also express, as I have previously, whatever you do physically, whatever you manifest physically in relation to the body consciousness matches whatever energy you are engaging that creates that. Therefore, although I express the acknowledgement that what you engaged in physically altering or damaging your body consciousness was an extreme, I would also express that what you were generating prior to that action was an extreme also.

ROSE: Right.

ELIAS: And overwhelming.

ROSE: Yes.

ELIAS: Therefore the physical manifestation matches what was being expressed in energy otherwise.

Now, in this, damaging that particular aspect of your body consciousness, the lower aspect of your body consciousness, affecting your ability to walk and other functions also, are a part of disconnecting that orange energy center and its qualities – or some of its qualities – in relation to the actual body consciousness itself. In that, interrupting and almost – not entirely – severing your interplay, so to speak, with your expression of sexuality.

Now, as you are aware, it did not sever it ENTIRELY, but it did generate a significant alteration. And one of the factors of that alteration, which served its purpose quite well to this point, is that it very effectively changed your direction in not engaging interests in that direction outside of your family – which I would express was highly effective and efficient. But, as I expressed, that does not eliminate that energy center. It does not disconnect ALL of the qualities or functions of that energy center, and therefore you continue to be aware of and generate certain aspects of your own sexuality and how you associate with it and even in some physical aspects, but in a very different capacity than previously.


ELIAS: Now; I would also express to you that that being identified, that is past, and you are not necessarily struggling with that particular confusion, frustration and challenge NOW. You are not generating that type of situation, manifestation or energy NOW. Therefore, the direction and the situation is different NOW. And also, how you engage and express certain beliefs are different NOW – not that the beliefs are different, not that the beliefs are changed, but that you engage different influences of them NOW than you were THEN, which has allowed you more of a flexibility, more of an ease in some capacities, less judgment – considerably less judgment of yourself – and therefore that creates a different situation in which the addressing to what preceded the action of the physical manifestation is not as important any longer. It is not as much of an issue.

This is the reason that although, you are correct, you have initiated that direction previously and you have expressed in that manner previously, I have not necessarily addressed to that, for it is different NOW. You are different NOW. How you engage those beliefs is different. Therefore, it does not necessarily apply, and it is not necessary for you to address to what you were doing then – you have already done that.

ROSE: Hm. I have a question.


ROSE: Why was it so out of reach to get myself back to reasonable thinking again? I was so convinced that I was right, like I was thinking and I was convinced that I had destroyed the life of my daughter, that I had done everything wrong and that she will have a terrible life because of blah-blah-blah, and I could not get myself out of this thinking, and quite the reverse, it was getting worse and worse. Why could I not stop this compulsive kind of thinking, and what happened in this moment?

ELIAS: This once again, although it may be an extreme in your situation, it is a very common situation for most individuals in different capacities. It is a matter of the strength of associations which influence very strong judgments and a lack of information.

ROSE: Yeah but, even when somebody from outside came and said, “Hey, come and look, this is not true,” and even if my daughter would come and say, “This is not true, your thinking is off, you are off base” –

ELIAS: It matters not.

ROSE: Why did I think and was so convinced that the others would just not see what I was able to see and it was horrible, and why didn’t I find any key?

ELIAS: For this matters not that outside sources may be expressing information to you or that other individuals may be expressing a difference in perception. You as an individual are engaging such intensity of judgment with self that what other individuals express matters not – and this is not unusual.

ROSE: I know, but Elias, there must be a way out of it. I mean, …

ELIAS: Yes, there is.

ROSE: What is it?

ELIAS: You each discover your road, so to speak, out of it; and generally speaking, you choose methods that are extreme. You choose methods that match that intensity of judgment to break that judgment and to allow you to change that perception. And generally speaking, when the individual, such as yourself, is that steeped in judgment, and that consumed with discounting and devaluing, generally speaking, the individual requires of themself some extreme action that will break that concentration. And the action is not one that is expressed from outside; it is only one that you can do yourself, and regardless of what any other individual expresses, regardless of what any other individual thinks or how they perceive, it will matter not, for there are two very significant factors in these situations.

One is that the individual has convinced themself of their discounting and their devaluing of themself. They begin to move in very black-and-white expressions; and in that, the judgment is so very strong the individual BELIEVES – and remember, believing is not the same as beliefs – but the individual believes in that time framework so strongly in their own expression of devaluing themself. And what is believing? Believing is trusting. Therefore the individual trusts that so absolutely, in such black-and-white terms, that it matters not what may occur around you. For when another individual expresses, “This is not correct, this is not true. You are NOT bad. I do not perceive you in that manner,” the manner in which that is received by the individual is an entire reinforcement of what they are already expressing.

ROSE: Yes.

ELIAS: For when the other individual expresses, “This is not true. This is not you. This is not how I perceive you,” you immediately, in relation to your own devaluing of self, move in the expression of one, your own independence: “I know myself, I know what I am expressing, I know what I have done, I know what I am doing, I know what I feel. You do not.” Therefore, the aspect of independence is very strong; regardless of whether the individual feels to be a victim and feels helpless or not, that aspect of independence remains very strong.

ROSE: Yes.

ELIAS: And, in addition to that, there is another aspect of the independence that expresses in a convoluted manner but very real, “It matters not what you say or what you do, for you do not know and I do. And, in that, the more you express contrary to what I am expressing, the more it motivates me to express what I AM expressing, for you are now devaluing me. You are not accepting what I am expressing that it is real. You are dismissing it.”

ROSE: Yes, and I was so convinced. Even if I could observe myself that I was on a very odd thread, I was so convinced that I actually engaged trying to convince the others.

ELIAS: Quite so!

ROSE: While simultaneously I tried to hide my level of being convinced because I was afraid that someone could come and say, “Okay, this is so off, now we have to treat her with, say, electroshocks or whatever.” It was a very, very, weird thing to be in!

ELIAS: I am quite understanding, for when the other individual approaches you and expresses, “No, you are not wrong, no you are not bad, no this is not true, I appreciate you,” what you do, how you receive that is an entire invalidation of what you are experiencing.

ROSE: Yes.

ELIAS: Which reinforces it. But, it is also very common and understandable that there is the other aspect that you are desperately attempting to convince the other individual of the realness of what you perceive and what you feel, and not wanting that to be dismissed and not wanting it to be discounted, but simultaneously not wanting to admit the monster that you are. For, if other individuals actually genuinely SEE the monster that you are, that can be very dangerous.

ROSE: Exactly.

ELIAS: Therefore, yes, there is an aspect of yourself that attempts equally as desperately to hide that and to be secretive in relation to that, for you are ashamed and devaluing and discounting. But the other aspect of yourself, which is the essence of yourself, is also desperately weeping and wanting to connect, wanting to break that independence, wanting to be interconnected and wanting to express that natural genuineness and to be discarding the devaluing. Therefore, they are at odds with each other. YOU are at odds with yourself, and that creates the situation in which you begin to feel that you incorporate no choices, there is no solution, there is no action that you can generate that will change the situation, that will fix it, that will allow you to move in a freer direction.

This weight of devaluing, this weight of guilt – and JUSTIFYING the guilt – becomes so enormously heavy and oppressive that what you do is you generate some action that is extreme in the only direction that you can conceive will stop it. And in that time framework, the individual incorporates no idea and no direction of changing it or moving in a new direction; all the individual is concerned with is stopping.

ROSE: Right.

ELIAS: And, therefore, you generate an action that is extreme and strong enough to interrupt, to STOP what you are doing – one that is extreme enough that it will generate you being in a position in which all that was before and all that you were devaluing before becomes less important, for now you have generated a situation that you must pay attention to immediately, and now the situation is an entirely different subject, and THAT subject requires your attention much more fully.

This is the action – although be it extreme – of interrupting actions and directions that are destructive and that are very uncomfortable for an individual. But let me also express that even in the disruptive action, the individual entertains – much less, but they continue to entertain – the energy and the idea that what they were expressing before was justified, was valid, was real and therefore it is not gone, but the individual will temporarily place that upon hold – with the intention of revisiting it, but temporarily there are other situations to address to. And the significant aspect of that is that the action of the interruption in itself is enough. Regardless of the individual’s intention to revisit that justifying devaluing of themself, the interruption is enough to distract them away from that and allow them to begin to move in a new direction – which you have evidenced yourself. This is precisely what you generated.

This overwhelming, devastating, justified discounting and devaluing of yourself, the black-and-white situation, the lack of choices, the desperation in not knowing objectively any manner or any direction to change the situation, and therefore wanting it merely to stop, engaging in extreme action to implement that, to stop it. Even if the idea is merely to stop it temporarily, it matters not, for the action in itself is extreme and does interrupt –

[There is an interruption in the phone connection]

ELIAS: Continuing.

ROSE: Thank you.

Elias: I am aware that you understand what I have been expressing to you.

ROSE: Mm-hm.

ELIAS: Do you also understand that regardless of that explanation and regardless of what was, that is not the direction that you are engaging now?

ROSE: Was this a question?

ELIAS: Yes. Do you understand that? That although I am aware it is interesting and in some capacity comforting to understand what created a situation, that is not necessarily the point.

ROSE: Yes.

ELIAS: For that is not what you are engaging now, –

ROSE: Right, I agree.

ELIAS: You are not expressing that defeat. You are not expressing that extreme and that intensity. You are not devaluing yourself and generating the expression of being a victim. Therefore, that does not necessarily apply to now.

ROSE: Right. But it’s good to understand. It’s also good to share for people which are dealing with a similar situation; that’s another reason why I wanted to hear it so detailed.

ELIAS: Yes, and I would agree that this is a very common situation with many, many individuals in which they feel trapped and they feel that they incorporate no choices, and therefore they are in a position in which there appears to be no other choice but to stop.

ROSE: Yeah. For me, I sit here on one end being kind of excited and bubbled up with my energy, restless, and on the other hand I feel like being in the cellar and very low and having no energy at all, being kind of sad about all this. I remember that when I was in this time I did not find any key out, and I was so desperately looking for this key! And I see people struggling and looking for a key, and I see people trying to help them with all sorts of things like medicine and advice and everything, and none of them do find the key. And what I find so heartrending is that it has to go to this extreme to make a turn possible.

ELIAS: I am understanding what you are expressing, and I am acknowledging of that, and this is one of the immense challenges in relation to mass beliefs and in relation to what you are all very familiar with and why it does not fit, and why this Shift is so very important. One of the most significant factors in these types of situations is not merely the individual that is experiencing this extreme of despair and desperation, but also the significance of the other individuals AROUND the individual, for THEIR direction is a very significant interplaying part.

ROSE: Mm-hm.

ELIAS: For their direction is generally the very familiar attempt to fix it. As much as the individual that is devaluing themselves and feeling this desperation is attempting to convince the other individuals of the realness of what they feel, the other individuals are matching that energy, attempting to convince the affected individual to fix them. And this creates a very difficult and dangerous circle, and this is the reason that it is so very important that individuals understand and realize and notice what they are doing, and ESPECIALLY in situations in which their intention and what they want is to help. For in general, for the most part, the manner in which individuals attempt to help is not helping, is actually reinforcing and encouraging the very desperation that they want to fix.

And in this, it is very important for all individuals to recognize that the manner in which there is the expression of “the key” is when the individual that is desperately devaluing themself is expressing that and attempting to convince other individuals of the realness of that and is expressing those feelings, regardless of how much they are also hiding, what they are doing is projecting an energy attempting to connect.

ROSE: Yes.

ELIAS: That is what the first individual is doing. They are attempting to grasp the key. They already know, and they are already objectively aware that they are so steeped, they are so caught in their own trap, that they cannot find the key alone.

ROSE: Yes.

ELIAS: Therefore, they express an outreach; and in that, what is so very important is that it IS interconnected and it IS an interplay, and that the other individuals be aware of themselves and their own agendas and their own directions and their own motivations, and in being aware of that, NOT engage the direction of attempting to fix but rather generate a genuine supportiveness by acknowledging the individual.

I would express to you quite definitely and quite literally, when an individual is expressing in the manner that you were, if other individuals acknowledge that… When you are expressing, “I am a terrible mother. I have engaged so very many mistakes and wrongdoings, and I am feeling so very guilty,” if the other individual is aware enough of themself also and not playing their own agenda and not defending, if the other individual allows themself merely to extend and recognize that interconnectedness, they can offer the key: “Here is the key. You hold it. I am not giving it to you; you hold it. But you cannot see it. Very well, I will shine a light upon it that you can see it, that you already are holding it. I understand that you cannot see it.”

When you express, “I am a terrible individual. I am a terrible mother,” rather than the other individual expressing, “No you are not! You are good. No, you should not be guilty. I understand,” these are not helpful expressions. These are reinforcing expressions. These are expressions that reinforce that darkness.

Rather, if the individual is expressing, “I understand. Yes, that is very real” – not opposing you, not defending – your response initially will be uncomfortable, but you are already uncomfortable! Your response initially will be uncomfortable, for the hiding aspect of you, the secret aspect of you is being allowed to be exposed, and that is uncomfortable. But, simultaneous – literally – to being uncomfortable, it is liberating, for it allows you as the individual to stop. For the other individual is agreeing with you; therefore, it is not necessary to continue to convince. It is no longer necessary for you to push and push and push. You are being acknowledged. Therefore, that action is moot, and you as an individual in that dark expression very quickly recognize that, and you begin to deflate, and you begin to stop.

ROSE: I know, Elias.

ELIAS: For this is, my dear, dear friend, the ultimate importance of why you are shifting and how incredibly significant it is, and important it is, for each of you to be genuinely be paying attention to what you are doing.

I understand that your intentions are well-meaning. I understand that your intentions, in your estimations, are good – and how much ruin is built upon good intentions. That does not fit any longer in your reality. You are redefining your reality, and this is a very significant aspect of it. And individuals do not yet fully understand how important this particular aspect of it is.

When an individual is attempting to comfort by not acknowledging the reality of another individual’s experience, it does not comfort. It expresses not merely a reinforcement but an encouragement for the other individual to continue pushing and struggling. In this, I am not expressing that it is not acceptable or that it is not natural for each of you to incorporate your own guidelines, your own opinions, your own preferences. Those are very natural, and they are very acceptable. When an individual is tremendously discounting themself and you do not agree, that is entirely acceptable that you do not agree; and, it is entirely acceptable that you incorporate your own perception and your own opinion in relation to what the other individual is expressing. But – they are YOUR opinions, they are YOUR preferences, they are your guidelines, they are your direction, and they do not help another individual in their expression.

ROSE: Mm-hm. That’s right.

ELIAS: In this, it is important to recognize that no matter how dark and bleak the position is that any one individual finds themself in, that key that you seek is always within your own hand. It’s always within your own grasp, but it is more difficult to see if all that is expressed around you is reinforcing that darkness, if all that is around you cannot even flicker one candle light when you reach for it.

[The timer for the end of the session rings]

But in this, my friend, in tremendous acknowledgement to you, you do know this type of experience and you do incorporate a tremendous compassion. And you also, more and more and more, incorporate an understanding of the importance of paying attention and noting your own expression and your own motivation.

I am aware that you and I are meeting again very soon. Correct?

ROSE: Yes, right. Tomorrow.

ELIAS: And we will continue our discussion as to your movement now.

ROSE: Thank you very much.

ELIAS: You are very welcome. I express to you as always in sincere genuineness, tremendous encouragement and a tremendous acknowledgment in the success and the movement that you have generated, and there will be more.

ROSE: (Emotionally) Well – okay! Shaky, near the water now. Thank you very much.

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my dear friend. In tremendous lovingness to you as always, au revoir.

ROSE: Au revoir. Bye-bye.

(Elias departs after 1 hour 12 minutes)

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