Session 2839
Translations: ES PT

Teach How To Think


“Teach How To Think”
“Soul or Self versus Essence”
“Escort During Death Transition”
“Alcohol Addiction”

Wednesday, September 2, 2009

Participant: Mary (Michael) and Alan (Deschyl)

ELIAS: Good day!

ALAN: Hey, ELIAS, hello.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha. Welcome.

ALAN: Thank you so much. It is my honor to talk to you, sir.

ELIAS: And what shall we discuss?

ALAN: Well, I would like to focus around my own career, if I may. Basically what I’m looking for is guidance, instruction, advice, corrections where appropriate, and also a bit of encouragement perhaps.

ELIAS: Very well.

ALAN: Now, what I do is I act as a counselor and I’ve created my own procedures which I call neurontology. I don’t know if you can scan that material from your perspective or should I explain it to you.

ELIAS: A brief explanation is acceptable.

ALAN: Neurontology, the nature of being of the individual. Helping people to learn how to think in such a way that they can overcome a lot of problems before they begin or of course to correct any difficulties that they may have. My work covers everything from sleep problems to cancer, and everything in between.

ELIAS: Very well. And, your concerns?

ALAN: Well, I guess I ‘m going into it, I’d like to... um, first of all, in my work, I’ve been (Inaudible) thirty years on it. I started out as an hypnotist and went through all that, and started using deep trance work and learned a huge amount about human behavior from that. The immediate thing I’d like to approach is what I will call a definition of neurontology. Shall I explain to you in order to put it all together?

ELIAS: Very well.

ALAN: Alright, we have two sentences…or two words actually, one is “ontology”, which as, you know, means the nature of being, and then we have the term “neuron”, hence neurontology and of course “neuron” relates to the brain. So, essentially, it’s the concept of where spirit and matter, or spirit and body consciousness meet...

ELIAS: Very well.

ALAN: ...OK. The nature of being. Where my work seems to be taking me is - in teaching people how to think - I keep coming back to the simple concept, which I call the human being concept. Would you like me to go into that, for a moment?

ELIAS: Very well.

ALAN: Human being, in the traditional sense of course, simply means the human person, okay? What I’ve done was put it together where human becomes an adjective and being refers to the spiritual entity, so we would have a spirit… a human spirit, so to speak, hence a human being. Is that clear?


ALAN: Okay. And so I put it into human being concept and so based on that we have the integration of the physical consciousness and spiritual consciousness each teaching the other how things work and coming together to integrate specifically for problem solving and for personal growth.

ELIAS: And how are you defining the spiritual aspect?

ALAN: Well, let’s say where you’re coming from for the moment. That’s part of the area where I feel a little bit lumpy, I mean, we have essence, which I understand, we have what is called human spirit which is... for instance what I am as related in my own body... does that answer that?

ELIAS: Therefore you’re generating the distinction between essence and spirit, and defining spirit as associated with the human body consciousness?

ALAN: Yes.

ELIAS: Very well.

ALAN: Is that correct?

ELIAS: You can, yes.

ALAN: Okay, it’s not incorrect?

ELIAS: It is not incorrect.

ALAN: Okay, wonderful. So, essentially then, what we have is we can…I can talk to either. I can talk to the body consciousness because it has very specific abilities and I can talk to the spiritual consciousness because it has specific abilities.

ELIAS: Correct. And...

ALAN: ...and I integrate them for the purpose of…I’ll call it becoming a whole or healing or whatever happens to be appropriate to the situation. Am I making sense?

ELIAS: Yes, and if you are talking to the body consciousness, per se, what are you defining as the abilities and functions of the body consciousness?

ALAN: Oh, good heavens. I would suggest that basically anything on the physical level... it’s certainly environmentally aware, not only just immediately around it but around the planet. I’m understand the body consciousness as the ability to virtually read its entire environment.

ELIAS: Correct.

ALAN: So that is one of the areas that I would work with. Healing is the ability that the body has to heal itself, maintain itself, repair itself...

ELIAS: Correct.

ALAN: Okay? Those are the few that come to mind immediately, keeping in mind that I’m very nervous as we have this chat.

ELIAS: Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha. I may express that I am understanding but it is unnecessary for you to incorporate that state (Alan laughs)

ALAN: And may I express that it is easy for to say!

ELIAS: Ah ah! You are correct! Ha ha ha ha ha. Now, in defining the spiritual, what would you express in that aspect?

ALAN: I would call it loosely the overview, the ability to guide and direct and to explore and experience the human experience.

ELIAS: Very well, and what term are you incorporating to define that spiritual?

ALAN: That’s a good question.

ELIAS: Ha ha... (Alan laughs)

ALAN: Because that’s one of the questions I was going to ask you. Perhaps can digress for a moment before we come back to this?

ELIAS: You may. Very well.

ALAN: Alright. For clarity and please correct me if I’m not correct. If we have, for this discussion, six billion people in the world, okay, then we, for practical purposes we have six billion spirits attached to the human bodies. Would that be correct?

ELIAS: Not necessarily.

ALAN: Okay, in general...

ELIAS: I am understanding your concept...

ALAN: Okay. Now, here’s my question to you: if that is correct and we have all this multitude of what I will call human spirit, would the human spirit then not be a species of sort, like a spiritual species? Am I making sense?

ELIAS: Yes, you are. In one capacity, yes, you are correct.

ALAN: Would it have a name?

ELIAS: Not necessarily. Although you could create a name for that, what most individuals would associate with that would be what you would term to be the soul.

ALAN: Okay, are soul and essence the same thing?

ELIAS: Essentially, yes. But, in the further break-down of what you are expressing, you could express that there is an aspect that may be defined as the spiritual aspect of a human, which could be defined as a soul or as a Self. The soul actually is essentially the same as defining essence. But, you are defining in relation to the human existence and the human experience.

ALAN: Yes, that’s correct. For the purpose of teaching and supporting the individuals who would see me.

ELIAS: Correct. And essence would be associated with much more beyond the human experience or the human existence...

ALAN: That would be the multitude, right?

ELIAS: Yes, and expands through many other dimensions. Therefore, if you are addressing to and attempting to generate definitions in relation to the human existence and the human reality and experience, perhaps a more accurate term for this spiritual aspect of that would be the Self.

ALAN: Alright. Now, how... we may be splitting hairs but I think… feel it’s very important to me to have a real clarity here, relating to the Self versus relating to what I describe as the human being – “Human” being an adjective and “Being” being a noun. In other words, to describe the human spirit as the human being...

ELIAS: Correct.

ALAN: Now, that would be the Self.


ALAN: Okay, so the Self is not the physical identity, it is the spiritual identity.

ELIAS: Correct.

ALAN: Okay. And then the self, shall we say that are on the planet Earth at any given time, would they have a species name or specific category?

ELIAS: Not necessarily other than the self, which would be associated with what I have defined as the Regional Area 2...

ALAN: Regional Area 2.

ELIAS: ...which is actually more an action than a thing. But, that would be associated with the subjective awareness, which you could in some capacities associate with the self, which would be the beingness of the individual...

ALAN: Alright. Sorry, go ahead please.

ELIAS: ...of the individual. Now, that does not exclude the objective awareness but, the objective awareness occupies what I have defined as Regional Area 1, which is all of the objective experience and…

ALAN: Which is the physical.

ELIAS: Correct. The subjective would be more associated with the Regional Area 2, which is not necessarily entirely physical.

ALAN: Alright. I’ll do in the material a brush up in the Regional Areas but this is not coming forward for me for the moment, perhaps we can move on...

ELIAS: Very well.

ALAN: In my own work it is my intention, within the area of neurontology, and specifically applied thought technology to teach people how to think. Now, for clarity I’m not teaching what to think, I teach them how to think. Now, from your perspective, am I accurate using those terms?


ALAN: Alright. The term “translating thought to reality”, is that accurate?

ELIAS: (Repeating to himself) Translating thought to reality and…

ALAN: Teaching people how to translate thought their own thought to reality... I mean it happens all the time, obviously. Okay.

ELIAS: In what specific capacity?

ALAN: Well, using generalized terms, everybody wants to be happy, healthy, wealthy and wise, right?

ELIAS: Correct.

ALAN: Okay. So, how to translate those wishes to reality for them?

ELIAS: Very well. Now, the reason that I am generating these inquires is that the idea that thought can create your reality becomes very tricky...

ALAN: Yes, I’m very clear on that.

ELIAS: ...for thought does not create your reality and there is a significant importance in generating that distinction.

ALAN: I do understand that as well. What I’m bringing up with you is I am very concerned about accuracy. The problem that we have of course at my level is that what I am dealing with the general public, I have to communicate in terms that would be understood...

ELIAS: Yes! I am understanding.

ALAN: ...Now, “thought” is generic. You know, everybody thinks, so to speak. You know they don’t think about it...

ELIAS: Ha Ha Ha Ha. You are correct.

ALAN: Okay, so I’m teaching them to think about thought, alright? But don’t ask me to say that one again.

ELIAS: Very well. Ha Ha Ha.

ALAN: But you understand where I’m coming from...


ALAN: At the same time, my greatest problem and indecision is, I want to be so accurate because I feel my work is going to be important. At least it certainly will be to me. And hence I want to be accurate and hence my consult with you.

ELIAS: I am understanding. Which is quite reasonable. And this is a significant point. To generate this distinction that, yes, thought is important and it is a very engaged instrument and it is common to all individuals but it is also important not to be moving in the direction of expressing to individuals the idea that they can create whatever they want or whatever they choose or that they can intentionally create their reality effectively and efficiently merely through thought.

ALAN: Well, this is where I’ll be picking up and saying okay, now we get into belief, intent, expectation, desire, imagination, perception – you know, that kind of thing.

ELIAS: Which all influences thought but although though is a very important aspect of your reality and of your functioning, it is very important to include the aspect of energy and how that is projected in conjunction with thought and with other expressions also...

ALAN: I would concur...

ELIAS: ...for in engaging other individuals and generating a significant emphasis upon thought, that can become misleading or it can become very confusing to other individuals for individuals already rely considerably upon thought. And thought in itself, incorporates a tremendous variable that allows for distortion and inaccuracy and therefore can be generating a direction which does not allow individuals to accomplish what they want if they are relying upon thought more than they already engage it.

ALAN: I understand. Now, just taking one point further, and then we can perhaps move on, I understand of course, thought is translation, right?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

ALAN: OK. That’s why I use the term “translating thought” into reality. That is how you play it on your material.

ELIAS: Very well. And that...

ALAN: So, but using “translating thought” creates obviously an inferred question: “What does that mean?”...

ELIAS: Correct.

ALAN: ...and that leaves the door open for me to go into belief systems and expectations and intents and desires and so on and so forth...

ELIAS: Correct.

ALAN: ...that is why I did that way. So, in that concept, translating thought to reality, as we teach people applied thought technology...


ALAN: ...I want to make sure that we’re in the realm of credibility from your perspective because, twenty years down the road I want to make sure that we are still on the right path.

ELIAS: Very well.

ALAN: ...So...

ELIAS: But what you are expressing thus far is accurate.

ALAN. Alright. Good. That’s all that I need for the moment. To coin a phrase… I could always call you back!

ELIAS: Ha Ha Ha Ha. And so you can! Ha ha ha ha.

ALAN: Sure. Okay. Going forward to other questions. I’m just going through my notes here, if you just bear with me one moment please.

ELIAS: Very well.

ALAN: Hmm, I think what I would like to do is that I’d like to go into a few personal things, if I may.

ELIAS: You may.

ALAN: When my father died, about ten years ago, I found myself on the spur of the moment as he was going to the death transition or the passing transition, I put my head on his forehead – for whatever reason I have no idea, it was simply something I did. While he was going into the passing phase. I found myself in a cockpit of a world war two bomber with him, acting in the second seat, and we actually went to a takeoff situation flying off into the blue… He was a Second World War pilot. And then we reached a certain point and I’d left the aircraft and sort of was hanging there in the air until I momentarily came back to find myself with my forehead on his now lifeless body. Now my question to you is this: Was that a genuine experience for him?...

ELIAS: And you. Yes.

ALAN: for me? So it was real for him?


ALAN: And so, we’re using, I’ll call it a metaphor for the purpose of creating the transition for him?

ALAN: Did I use the right words?


ALAN: okay, so we’re on track there?


ALAN: Well, that’s a wonderful relief because I didn’t know if I was in fantasy land or quite what.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha. No!

ALAN: So that’s wonderful. I imagine he’s doing okay. Perhaps you can scan it when you have a minute?


ALAN: And now, going back to my hypnosis days, many years ago, I went… what I used to do is go to – I’m talking of belief systems here, now and I do know that – went into what is known as the (inaudible) levels, to the deepest levels known to man, in hypnosis, and then I drop through that and came out the other side into what I’ll call crystal clarity – I call it going to the looking glass...

ELIAS: (Chuckling)

ALAN: ...and learned a huge amount of both human behavior and what I will call consciousness in general... Is that valid?


ALAN: Okay. Would it be advisable for me to go back to start using that?

ELIAS: That would be your choice. It would be a matter of what would your motivation be...

ALAN: Learning, learning, learning.

ELIAS: ... and what would you be translating that into in what you’re doing.

ALAN: Yes, We’ve both drawing material… I’m assuming sort of going into… I’ll call the Self levels, for the purpose of pulling what I already know, and remembering it so I can bring it back into the teaching levels...

ELIAS: Very well.

ALAN: Would that make sense?

ELIAS: Yes! And, would that be beneficial? Yes.

ALAN: So I am okay, wonderful, I’ll start doing that. Maybe I’ll bump into you when I’m over there.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha. And perhaps you will.

ALAN: Ah, that would be a wonderful thought. Going forward, in my work I have an alcoholic, her name was Carol. And I was not able to reach her, she is in extreme difficulty. Still drinking very, very heavily, using meds from her physician and that kind of thing... Can you scan that and give me a suggestion how I can best reach her? Communicate with her to somehow facilitate change for her?

ELIAS: One moment. (14 seconds of pause) Very well. Now, first...

ALAN: Did you find her?

ELIAS: ...Yes. (Speaking very slowly) First of all, let me express that what this individual is experiencing is not extremely uncommon in relation to a choice of incorporating substances and engaging their beliefs in the effects of substances. Now, in this, for many individuals, the suggestion that certain substances are harmful and the suggestions to them that there is considerable information that can be viewed as facts, so to speak, in relation to particular substances that designate them as being harmful and destructive; for many individuals that information is effective for it triggers some aspects of fear within them, and the fear can effectively override their want or even their necessity, so to speak, to be engaging the particular substance. But with some individuals - and as I expressed that is not uncommon - this type of approach is very ineffective, and the reason that it is ineffective is that the potential of whatever the substance could possibly generate in a harmful manner to the individual matters not. They are not affected by that fear, and in that it is not to say that they do not incorporate fears, they do...

ALAN: Oh, Gosh, yes.

ELIAS: ...And the fears are significant and they are somewhat overwhelming, but the fears that they do incorporate are so extreme that the continuation of the use or the engagement of the substance generates a direction and almost a state of being in which the individual is not actually immobilized or shut down in your terms. What they move into, rather, is a camouflage in which they perceive that they are beyond the destructive effects of the particular substances.

Now, understand, when an individual moves into this type of camouflage what they actually are physically doing is moving more and more into the actualization of the beliefs of that particular substance and therefore they are generating destructiveness to themselves and in some capacity they are generating behaviors and actions that are destructive in their environment around them also, but they are, for the most part most destructive to themselves. They are generating an energy that reinforces all of those beliefs and all of those fears in relation to destructive manifestations and they are actualizing that through the energy that they are expressing and projecting but, they are also camouflaging that to themselves in a manner in which they more and more create this perception that they are almost immune to any physical affectingness other than what they view as a desired effect.

Which the desired effect is not even clearly defined for they are not generating what they want in the desired effect any longer. They generate that very briefly and subsequently, as they continue to engage the substance the desired effect is not actually being expressed. But, what is being expressed is this false persona of themselves that they can engage whatever they choose and it matters not and it will not be affecting of them; they are beyond the physical affectingness of what they are engaging. Therefore, in a manner of speaking, they almost perceive themselves to be invincible, with the continued perception simultaneously that they could actually create their own demise or their own disengagement, but that matters not also.

ALAN: I understand.

ELIAS: Now, in this, when an individual is experiencing in this manner and when an individual is generating this type of perception, any type of approach with them that they can perceive in any capacity, in being expressed as an attempt to stop doing what they are doing, serves to reinforce them to continue to do it.

ALAN: Yes. Now, here’s the question: How do we do, how do we influence, how do we make that difference? There’s got to be a way.

ELIAS: The manner in which you approach that type of situation is to shift the importance. You do and you pay attention to what is important to you. You continue to engage what is important to you and...

ALAN: Now, you’re speaking to Carol in this example...

ELIAS: any individual.

ALAN: ...okay. When you say “you” you’re talking to my client, right?

ELIAS: Yes, but in general this would be the situation. In this, importance is not necessarily what is comfortable...

ALAN: That I do understand.

ELIAS: ...importance can be what you do not like, or importance can be defiance, or importance can be engaging an action that other individuals do not want you to engage for...

ALAN: Reverse reaction kind of stuff?

ELIAS: ...let me express that a very significant aspect of this, which is extremely present in these individuals that engage this type of action and behavior, is extremely interconnected with independence. They equate their choices – just as you do, but in a different capacity - with their independence, and their independence is such an immense attachment to their identity that they cannot separate that attachment of independence from their identity; therefore in their perception it is their identity, therefore that is extremely important and their choices and the ability to generate their own choices are what supports that independence. Therefore, any expression or action that threatens that independence in any capacity is immediately rejected...

ALAN: Got it!

ELIAS: ...and reinforces their movement in that independence and whatever supports it.

ALAN: Got it!

ELIAS: In relation to a substance it is their choice to engage it and you cannot change that, and they know it.

ALAN: And while they’re struggling further for their independence their options are gone. They have no options really, right?

ELIAS: Yes, but they do incorporate this choice, to continue the behavior and to continue to engage the substance and they know that you cannot change it...

ALAN: Let me see if I can take up the track now. It’s a wonderful advice.

ELIAS: Very well.

ALAN: So, you started out very carefully using the word twice “suggestion”?


ALAN: Okay. Now, as you know I’m a specialist in suggestions at my level. So, if I were to turn around and using suggestions in whatever level that means to counter with interdependence, so, or even a form of mutualism where she can understand that she can interact with other people, at the same time from the short term having her retain her sense of independence. Did I mixed as to that? My mind is going so fast that I am catching up with you now.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

ALAN: So, interdependence… where her sense of independence is what’s damaging her, right?

ELIAS: Yes. But it is also what she is desperately protecting.

ALAN: Yes, yes, of course her ego does that. So, by countering with suggestions about how she can interact with other people, even to starting with me, and in extending that out from there, we... um, if she... if we’re able to allow her defense of her independence to soften she’s in a position where she would have options, is that correct?

ELIAS: That is correct in how you approach that. What would you express to this individual?

ALAN: It’s gonna need a little bit of thought for the moment but, obviously I am going get her back in my office the soonest, and the... I don’t have my strategy working... this is just new, obviously...

ELIAS: Yes, I’m aware. The first aspect is to not move in the direction that consuming alcohol is wrong...

ALAN: Yeah, stay away from it.

ELIAS: ...or that it is bad...

ALAN: Yeah, just leave it alone. Yeah.

ELIAS: ...for that is an immediate approach to a shield.

ALAN: Yes, got it. Got it. The direct approach is out. So, we were into the quality life, such as independence and interdependence and things like that...

ELIAS: And it is a matter of beginning to move in the direction of interacting in a manner that can begin to convey that independence is actually not freedom...

ALAN: Yes, I just read those notes from you yesterday; as a matter of fact they just came through on my computer.

ELIAS: Independence is a tremendous bondage. And in this, that is not a statement that an individual in this type of situation will receive automatically, and definitely not immediately. In this there’s such an immense protection of that independence that it cannot be touched initially. Therefore, it is a matter of moving around the wall rather than touching the wall directly...

ALAN: Got it!

ELIAS: ...In this is more a matter of presenting without necessarily presenting the word independence; examples of what is perceived to be independence and acknowledging that first. The first aspect is to move into a position of trust, which none of is being express by the other individual. Therefore to establish trust, it is necessary to not present any threat. And the manner in which you do not present threat is to acknowledge.

ALAN: Yes, of course.

ELIAS: Therefore, the first step is to be acknowledging all that is perceived in that independence, and acknowledging that the independence itself is perceived as that prized jewel, not discounting it.

ALAN: Got it. Good.

ELIAS: Once you can establish a glimmer of trust, in which you are not presenting any threat, and in which you are acknowledging, the other individual begins to receive that energy in that acknowledgment and begins to recognize that it is not necessary for them to defend. That is what is the most important initially, and for a time framework to you to avoid. Do not invoke any reason for defense.

ALAN: Got it! Thank you.

ELIAS: You’re very welcome.

ALAN: You should have been a therapist!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! (Alan laughs with Elias)

ALAN: Okay. Now, a couple... two other questions I got to find out in general and I know we are going to be running short of time. There’s two things I’d like to discuss if we can. One, is what I’ll call ‘thought transfer’ and the other is what I will call “remembrance”. Actually it is your term; remembering.

ELIAS: There’s a difference between remembering and remembrance.

ALAN: Oh, okay, I’ll call it remembrance because that the way I remember your... (laughs)

ELIAS: Yes. That is a term that I have incorporated.

ALAN: I think you term now remembrance, where we can actually start pulling out our own inner data?

ELIAS: Yes. Yes, that would be the genuine beingness of your genuine self. That would be the experience of the remembrance. But I would inquire of you how would you be defining “thought transference”.

ALAN: Hmm, well, thought transference... I’ll give you an example of this: about a week ago I inquired with Mary to set up this appointment and since that time, since the appointment was made I’ve had huge revelations about my own work without even really talking to you directly...

ELIAS: Ha ha ha, which is not unusual.

ALAN: ...yes, but you have been co-transferring energy...

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

ALAN: ...okay. Now that energy is in fact communication, is that not correct?

ELIAS: Yes. You are correct.

ALAN: okay, so you’ve been communicating with me - I have to use my own terms here, please excuse - beneath my own thought levels?


ALAN: Okay. Now, can I learn to do that?


ALAN: Okay, tell me how. (laughs)

ELIAS: It is an energy transference; that would be more accurate, and in that... let me express to you, my friend, energy can contain all the information that can be translated into thought or feelings, without actual thought or feelings. And in this, you in like manner to every other individual, has engaged experiences throughout your life, so to speak...

ALAN: Yes.

ELIAS: ...that you are aware of communications through energy without any actual verbal communication...

ALAN: Great. Yes. This is where I want to go.

ELIAS: ...and this is a matter of becoming genuinely aware of the realness, the reality of energy. That it is very real. And it is also more accurate than any other type of communication. Therefore, it is a matter of beginning with yourself, although you can practice with other individuals and objectively they may not even be aware of what you’re doing. You can practice with other individuals by genuinely paying attention to them. Not necessarily to what they are saying, but paying attention to the energy, allowing yourself to feel into the energy that they are expressing. What they are expressing verbally will be partially what they may be expressing in energy but you will generate the ability to feel into those variables in which the energy may be different from what the individual is actually expressing.

I would also offer the suggestion to you that practicing with actually visually seeing energy may be very helpful to you in your direction and in your work also, which is in actuality very easy. It is not difficult to see energy and this is merely a matter of becoming familiar with it. And I would also express that, if you’re so choosing, Michael is quite accomplished at seeing energy visually and therefore you can engage Michael if you’re so choosing in association with that subject. But that may also be very helpful to you in feeling into other individuals’ energies and allowing you to engage that type of communication and also that can allow you to be more efficient and effective with your own energy, and – in your terms – reading into that more effectively and understanding it more effectively and more efficiently; therefore it can be very beneficial in both directions.

ALAN: Wonderful, thank you. One final thing, I don’t if it is plausible, the subject of neurontology and my work going into the future and applied thought technology, the same going into the future. Are you able to scan a little bit and more or less advise me if I’m on track, and if it will fly for me?

ELIAS: Yes. And, incorporates a tremendous capacity for expansion and in that I would express that you generate a tremendous potential to be considerably successful.

ALAN: Wonderful, thank you. This is very encouraging. (Elias laughs) I am on the right track then?

ELIAS: Yes, I would agree.

ALAN: Oh, that’s just great. That’s just great. Now we have a few minutes, I understand, can I ask you... I don’t mean to be rude or anything, but the question – what motivates you?

ELIAS: What motivates me? And why would you access that that would be rude in any capacity?

ALAN: (Laughs) Taken from my side of the gate here... (both laugh boldly) You know, I’ve only dreamt of talking to you for years, you know...

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha!

ALAN: So...

ELIAS: My motivation, my friend, is this shift in consciousness. This is a tremendous motivation for myself. And my participation in this shift in consciousness, although I am not participating in a physical aspect, I am participating in the action of this shift and its insertion into your reality. Your reality is quite fascinating, it is very diverse, and therefore incorporates tremendous complexities that are fascinating. In this, you as a whole in your reality incorporates a tremendous potential to be generating incredible expansions within the physicality of your reality, and you as a species, you as beings in your reality incorporate a tremendous curiosity and a tremendous motivation for expansion. My motivation is my interest in this shift in consciousness with your reality, and in that, my motivation in engaging all of you is to lessen the capacity of trauma associated with it in whatever manner that I can.

ALAN: Wonderful. You know what I’ve got to ask you? It is my basics, my essence name and all that kind of thing.

ELIAS: And what is your impression as to your essence families and...

ALAN: Ha ha. You’re supposed to ask me that!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha.

ALAN: Just a moment now. Oh, it was on my computer. Just a second here, getting all (inaudible). Ah where is it here? Just bear with me, please... Okay, the essence name, I don´t know.

ELIAS: Very well.

ALAN: Sorry... Maybe Sumari, I believe is what I am; my color I believe to be green gold; my key, I believe to be - going by memory - F; and I’m common. How did I do?

ELIAS: I would express that you were correct in all of those, I would also express that your alignment in this focus is Sumafi. And the essence name, Deschyl.

ALAN: Oh boy! Would you spell that for me?


ALAN: That is D for Donald – E –S-C-H-Y-L


ALAN: Okay. So now I finally know my own name.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Congratulations!

ALAN: Now, if I meditate using that name, will that help?

ELIAS: Yes! It can.

ALAN: Okay, super. So I’ve got a whole new horizon in there. (Elias laughs) Oh, this has been wonderful, I don´t know how our time is. We’re going to get a buzzer. Is that correct?

ELIAS: Yes, you shall, and I shall express that that will be occurring very shortly within approximately thirty of your seconds. Ha ha ha.

ALAN: Religion, I get hung up on religion all the time and the god concept brings me to tears sometimes. I know it is a belief system - any quick advice.

ELIAS: Do not fight with yourself. And it matters not what you present yourself as a belief system; that is not to say that it is not real. It may not be a truth but it is very real in your reality. And perhaps we may engage more of an in depth conversation in relation to this subject futurely.

ALAN: I think I would like. Elias, my (inaudible) appreciation.

ELIAS: You’re very welcome, my friend. I anticipate our next meeting.

ALAN: Ah, ah! I’ll send you some (inaudible)...

ELIAS: And I offer you my energy, also.

ALAN: Thank you so much.

ELIAS: In great affection and appreciation to you, my dear friend. Au revoir.

ALAN: Thank you so much.

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