Sunday, November 23, 1997 © 1997 (Group)
Participants: Mary (Michael), Vicki (Lawrence),
Ron (Olivia), Bobbi (Jale), Drew (Matthew), Norm (Stephen), Helen (Jsenne),
Mary Jane (Kaileen), Mike (Shaife), Sue (Catherine), Margot (Jeselle),
Gail (William), and a new participant, Debra.
Elias arrives at 6:51 PM. (Time was fifteen seconds)
ELIAS: Good evening! (Smiling) Welcome to new essence this evening. We shall begin with our game!
RON: Zuli, inventions, camera.
ELIAS: One point.
BOBBI: Vold, letters of the alphabet, the letter A.
ELIAS: One point.
VICKI: For David: Milumet, astrological signs, Aries.
ELIAS: Less probable.
VICKI: For Cathy: Zuli, names and locations of the babies, Beijing.
ELIAS: Beijing. (Correcting pronunciation) One point.
VICKI: For Mary: Essence family connections, gems, turquoise with Vold and Tumold.
ELIAS: Acceptable.
VICKI: For Jo: Vold, artists, Graham Nash.
ELIAS: Acceptable.
VICKI: For Howard: The fifth Beatitude with Tumold. ("Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.")
ELIAS: One point.
VICKI: Okay, then I guess I'll enter the ninth Beatitude, which
is the only one left, with the only family that is left, which is Sumari.
("Blessed are ye when men shall revile you and persecute you, and shall
say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice
and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven; for so persecuted
they the prophets which were before you.")
ELIAS: One point. (Pause, as I shuffle through my papers)
VICKI: That's it.
ELIAS: Very well.
In our continuing discussion of your essence families and your Dream Walkers and their interaction with you within your present time framework and also throughout your history, we shall move to the Ilda family. Within this family, what be your guess of interaction of the Dream Walkers of this family within your present now? (Long pause) Much disappointment! And we have just played our game! (Grinning)
VICKI: Well, I have a guess.
MARGOT: Guess, then!
VICKI: Interacting interdimensionally ... via the alien phenomenon.
ELIAS: Ah, our extraterrestrial subject once again! (Grinning) For the benefit of Lawrence, you are correct, which you should be quite familiar with this interaction and aspect!
Throughout your history, the Ilda family has presented itself to individuals within physical focus in many different, unusual manners; this being for the reason that it is obtaining of attention, and also of notoriety.
In conjunction with the intent of the Ilda family, there is a great exchange in relation to the manner of the communication. As you are aware within your present now, your extraterrestrial phenomenon, so to speak, gains great attention and is communicated throughout your planet, not merely within this particular country. Many individuals express experiences and also exchange these experiences with many other individuals throughout your planet.
In previous history, the Ilda family has been responsible for areas such as dragon-slaying; this being another aspect of communication which was offered throughout many different countries, and stories of these encounters were shared throughout your world.
In all of the areas that you hold legends of encounters of unusual origin or unusual factors, these would be interactions of the Ilda family expressing information to be communicated throughout your world. It is expressed to those individuals of the Ilda family. Therefore, for the most part, the individuals that hold these encounters presently -- with what they think to be extraterrestrials presently -- are of the Ilda family, although some individuals also hold these experiences being aligned with the Ilda family.
Some individuals hold experiences that are not what they perceive them to be, as I have expressed previously, and they are not encountering what they think of as extraterrestrials. Even the encounters that ARE extraterrestrials are not extraterrestrials! They are other focuses interdimensionally, presenting themselves to individuals that are belonging to this family and drawing this experience to themselves to offer information to themselves and also to you, in altering your perceptions and how you view your reality; entering into your reality more than what you view within your officially-accepted reality, offering you more information and more of an allowance for your own periphery; therefore also being helpful in communication, in offering you the opportunity to widen your awareness of the reality that you hold.
We have spoken many times of extraterrestrials and of their interaction and of their origins and of what they are. Therefore, you are aware that they are not little men inhabiting little planets within your solar system or your galaxy that you may travel to encounter! (Grinning) They occupy other dimensions and are elements of your own essences. This is not to say that you may not encounter another dimensional focus and not be Ilda or aligned with Ilda, for you may if you are so choosing; but within what you term to be objectively unsolicited visitations, these -- once again, for the most part -- are encountered by individuals of the Ilda family, within their intent and within the intent of the family itself.
At times, what you may term to be imaginary creatures or beings may also be visitations within the Ilda family; not all, for as I have expressed with the Milumet, angels are known to be manifest to be presented with the Milumet family; but there have been other visualizations of unusual creatures or forms which may be attributed to the Ilda family.
In this, I express to you, as I have previously: That which you view to be imagination is reality, and merely that you do not view yourselves certain elements, such as dragons or extraterrestrials or leprechauns, this is not to say that these elements do not exist. They are your images to yourself; for within their own dimensions they may appear quite differently, but as they approach you within this dimension they appear to be something that you may identify with, something that is a little more familiar and fitting into your reality more closely, even a dragon -- another session Michael shall not be pleased with -- which appears to be a creature with four limbs and appearing not quite very far outside of your idea of what may be acceptable to you as a creature within this dimension. You have created creatures similar to this creature that have and do presently exist and existed upon your planet. Therefore, the form is not so very unfamiliar to you. Therefore, it is acceptable.
Your extraterrestrials that you envision are not so very removed from your own form; appearing to you in a slightly altered form, but not so very removed from your own form that it is completely unfamiliar to you. Therefore, this is acceptable to you.
Now; as I have expressed previously, this is only the manner that YOU visualize these elements. In connecting in actuality with another dimensional focus, it shall not appear with ANY similarity to what you view to be extraterrestrials presently. These are only your own images of elements that you do not understand and that are so very foreign to you that you intentionally image them in some sort of familiar form, but if choosing to be moving interdimensionally and in actuality connecting with another focus within another dimension that you have crossed into, those same extraterrestrials that you may have encountered previously shall appear quite differently; just as your leprechauns or your dragons may appear quite differently within their own dimensions also, but they take on a familiar form for you, for this is acceptable to you ... but not quite familiar, enough so not as to be gaining your attention and to be creating of your communication of this. If you are viewing an alien creature, you shall immediately be expressing to other individuals of your experience, and communicating. If you are encountering of any very unusual element which does not fit into your officially-accepted reality, you shall be communicating this and sharing your experience. In this, this being the manner of the exchange within the intent of this particular family. Quite effective! (Grinning)
You may ask your questions, if you are so choosing.
NORM: Is it required that the Ilda family have some sort of a creation available to a focus so that the focus can, with sideways vision, look at these leprechauns or dragons or whatever? I mean, it requires two things to happen: the Ilda family creating this, and the focus. Is that it, or can the focus just create it?
ELIAS: It is a communication. The question has been posed of what method other essence families communicate to the focused individuals, in like manner or comparison to this energy exchange that you view presently. Therefore, within an ongoing series, I have been expressing to you different manners that different essence families choose to be interactive, on the part of the Dream Walkers, with you; or also within an interaction of other essences in similarity to this essence -- myself -- in creating an energy exchange.
DREW: Is the action of the communication the same and it's just the interpretation that's different, based on which family you happen to be aligned with?
ELIAS: The communication may be different also, for the intents are different.
DREW: The family intents?
ELIAS: Correct.
DREW: So, whereas someone in Ilda might see an alien, that same interaction would not take place with someone in Milumet, who would instead see an angel, or in Vold, hear a voice. It would be a different action with a different purpose?
ELIAS: The purpose may be the same, but the action is different.
DREW: Okay. So they're not interchangeable with a different interpretation based on the alignment of the family of the perceiver?
ELIAS: Correct; for within this example, if an individual of Milumet is experiencing an exchange with what they perceive to be an extraterrestrial, the communication shall be different and it shall be interpreted differently.
DREW: Though it would be unusual for someone aligned with Milumet to interact with an extraterrestrial.
ELIAS: Correct.
DREW: But in order for that communication to take place, they couldn't substitute it with an angel because it's a different action.
ELIAS: It is not a question of substituting, for it is not a question of a "thing" coming to the individual. It is a manifestation intentionally, spontaneously. The essence knows the individual it shall be exchanging with and is aware of the intents involved. Therefore, it shall manifest itself in alignment with this. (Pause)
DREW: Okay. It sort of begs the question then ... why would someone who is aligned with Milumet have an experience with an extraterrestrial, which is out of the ordinary for them, as opposed to communication with an angel, which would be more in alignment?
ELIAS: For the most part, they would not; but this is not to say that this is a "rule" and that some individual within the Milumet family may not choose this type of encounter and interaction and that this may not speak to them more realistically than an angel, based upon their belief systems.
DREW: Okay, thank you.
HELEN: I have a question. So I think I understand that what you do is, you kind of summon something from another focus to come and give you information, but you design it in a way that is going to be comfortable and familiar, or not too unfamiliar for you.
ELIAS: Not necessarily. You are in agreement as the focus to be drawing the experience to yourself, but it may not necessarily be the situation that you are requesting information or hold objective awareness to be seeking out the information, but you may be presented with information in cooperation of other essences wishing to be helpful to you and offering the information to you. In this, the other essence shall hold an awareness of your belief systems and your intent and your family and your family alignment, and shall present itself to you in alignment with this, in a form not unfamiliar to you.
HELEN: When you say the other essence, you mean the essence from the other focus that you perceive to be the angel or extraterrestrial or whatever?
ELIAS: A non-physical essence. (Pause)
BOBBI: So would these encounters all be subjective, or would there be a physical objective encounter that people are experiencing?
ELIAS: Absolutely! Are you objective presently?
BOBBI: Yes!
ELIAS: Are you engaging in an encounter? (Grinning)
BOBBI: Yes!
ELIAS: And so be other individuals, objectively, fully aware, encountering other elements in different manners!
BOBBI: Okay. Interesting!
VICKI: So if I understand it right, you're saying that the action of this energy exchange would be a Sumafi action?
ELIAS: Correct.
VICKI: Because the energy exchange was very similar with the Seth phenomenon.
ELIAS: The Sumari also engage this same type of encounter.
VICKI: Are there any of the other families that engage the same type of encounter?
ELIAS: At times, but not normally. Just as each family may choose periodically to exchange outside of their usual design, each family may choose at times to be exchanging in this manner, but it is not their usual "method." (Grinning)
VICKI: But it is for Sumari also.
ELIAS: Yes.
VICKI: So basically, as you continue through the list, each family will have a different method of interaction via the Dream Walkers.
ELIAS: Correct.
VICKI: But the Sumari and Sumafi are basically the same.
ELIAS: Correct; although there are a few differences with Sumari. For the most part, the exchange that you view in this manner would be Sumafi; although as I have stated, many Sumari do engage this same phenomenon, but they engage others also which the Sumafi do not.
DREW: If I'm not mistaken, you said at one point when you were talking about this so-called alien phenomenon, which is an interdimensional experience, that physical remnants of the experience won't last long in our dimension. Is that true?
ELIAS: Correct.
DREW: Is that the nature of all of these experiences? So far, everything you've mentioned seems to have no physical, objective leave-behind in our reality; the angels, the voices. Other than the video tapes that we have of you, if we didn't have that we'd have no physical evidence that this exchange ever took place.
ELIAS: Exactly.
DREW: Is that the nature of all of them?
ELIAS: Yes.
DREW: So when people talk about there being remnants of a crashed UFO and that kind of thing from years ago, according to the information that couldn't be true because the material can't last that long in this dimension. Is that correct? Or maybe in our time frame, it can last a long time?
ELIAS: (Grinning) You move into tricky areas in this situation! I have expressed of this subject previously. What is inserted into your reality is not necessarily what you believe it to be, although there have been occasions that other dimensions have bled through into this dimension and have left deposits physically, as you also have bled through into other dimensions and left physical deposits. They are temporary, but they are also continued within your continued concentration and attention to them.
DREW: Our lending of energy can sustain them, essentially?
ELIAS: In a manner of speaking. You may visit a site that is reported to have elements of what you think of as extraterrestrials and it may have physical evidence and you may not objectively see it, but another individual may.
DREW: And that would be because ...?
ELIAS: Their attention is focused and they are holding to the image, which allows it to continue. There are individuals, as we have expressed and explained previously, that witness a bleed-through. Those individuals may continue to hold their attention and their concentration with what they have experienced. Therefore, they may continue to view what they have seen; but you, not experiencing the same reality and not holding the concentration and not having the concentration, may not see what they see. In either case, the image is temporary. It is merely a question of how temporary. It shall not continue permanently within your dimension. Therefore, you may encounter bones of your dinosaurs which have continued in existence, as you all en masse have held the concentration of these creatures. Therefore, elements of them remain. A bleed-through of what you think of as a craft shall not remain for this type of endurance.
NORM: Could it last for a hundred years?
ELIAS: It may, but it shall not last beyond that.
MARGOT: Elias, are you speaking of not just the junk and the debris that's found on the ground of a supposed crash? Are you speaking of the type of phenomenon we see in the sky, that some people see in the sky as a flying craft?
ELIAS: This also would be a temporary situation. I do not discount that you view bleed-throughs, but you do not view them permanently, for they do not belong within your dimension. They are merely bleed-throughs, and they are temporary.
VICKI: But you ARE saying that if I go outside right now and see a spaceship land and see what I call an alien get off of it, I can interpret that as a communication from the Dream Walkers? Is this correct?
ELIAS: If you are encountering what you view to be an extraterrestrial, it may be an encounter of a Dream Walker, but you are not of the Ilda family. You are aligned; although it is possible within alignment that you may hold this experience also. But normally, if you are encountering such an experience and hold no alignment to Ilda or are not belonging to the Ilda family, you are merely presenting yourself with another focus of your own.
VICKI: Okay, that's where I was getting confused, because we do this also, right?
ELIAS: Correct.
VICKI: And this would be a different action.
ELIAS: Correct.
VICKI: Okay. Similar to if I were to be able to project objectively to another dimension, this is an entirely different action ...
ELIAS: Absolutely.
VICKI: ... than what you're talking about.
ELIAS: Yes; but the difference within the action is also of what you desire and solicit to yourself and draw to yourself. Within encounters that are unsolicited and objectively are unknown, these encounters shall be encounters of the Ilda in communication, in like manner to the phenomenon that you view presently.
NORM: Most of our interdimensional travels are by dreams, are they not?
ELIAS: Not necessarily. (Grinning)
NORM: Objectively, we are moving interdimensionally?
ELIAS: You may.
NORM: Well, I'm hoping to! I'm just wondering, how can we classify those events?
ELIAS: You shall KNOW if you are moving interdimensionally objectively! (Grinning)
NORM: But it can be very similar.
ELIAS: You shall not be mistaking! (Laughter) Other dimensions do not resemble this dimension!
NORM: Have I ever done it?
ELIAS: Have you? (Grinning)
NORM: I don't think so.
ELIAS: (Humorously) I don't think so either! (We all crack up)
DEBRA: Can I ask you ... what family am I from?
ELIAS: (Accessing) Sumari, aligned with Vold.
DEBRA: What does that mean?
HELEN: She doesn't have all the information yet.
ELIAS: You may be inquiring of these individuals, and they shall be offering you the information of these essence families.
We shall break, and you may continue with your questioning.
BREAK 7:33 PM
RESUME 7:59 PM (Time was one second)
Vic's note: Elias arrives unnoticed amidst much conversation.
ELIAS: Continuing. (Pause, as the commotion in the room continues) You may continue with your discussion, if you are so choosing! (Chuckling, and another pause) No questions?? (Grinning)
MIKE: I have a question. The idea of the shift then is for all the essence families to align?
ELIAS: The shift is an action of all of the essence families returning to their intent as it originally was designed.
MIKE: Would that naturally be an alignment?
ELIAS: With each other?
MIKE: Yes.
ELIAS: Yes, and also with themselves ... with yourselves. It is a creation of a circle. You are, in a manner of speaking, completing your circle and creating a new reality within this dimension, of the Dream Walkers physically-focused.
MIKE: I have one more question. Can you tell me what family I'm aligned with and what family I'm from?
ELIAS: Sumafi, aligned Ilda.
NORM: You say that we're going to create a new reality
here. Is the physics of this new reality going to be different?
ELIAS: It shall be much expanded.
NORM: We're going to have the ability to use it, so to speak?
ELIAS: Quite!
VICKI: So, did you just say that part of the action of the shift is that the Dream Walkers will be physically-focused?
ELIAS: You shall be creating a new reality in like manner to the Dream Walkers, but physically-focused.
DREW: When you were talking about the essence families, you were talking in terms of the shift. (To Mike) Was your question, are the essence families going to align? (Mike nods) Okay. There are far more essence families associated with the shift than there are in our game or with this phenomenon, correct? More than twelve?
ELIAS: No.
DREW: Oh. There are only twelve?
ELIAS: There are nine essence families.
DREW: Okay, but twelve essences involved?
ELIAS: Twelve essence involved with this particular phenomenon.
MARGOT: The phenomenon of the energy exchange?
ELIAS: Correct.
DREW: Okay. So there are a total of nine essence families.
ELIAS: Correct; within this particular reality.
DREW: And there are three essences involved with this phenomenon which are not aligned or part of any of those nine families. Is that correct?
ELIAS: No. (Grinning)
In relation to your game, there are eight essences representing the essence families. One essence family is not represented, for all of the essences in conjunction with this particular phenomenon are of the Sumafi family. Therefore, the Sumafi is not represented. The other essences are also Sumafi. They are merely representing, for the purpose of your game and your understanding and identification. They are offering you a tangible element that you may connect to in representation of the other essence families. These essences are all of the Sumafi family. They all are participating in the action of the shift, but they are participating within this action in lending energy to this particular, singular phenomenon. There are countless essences involved with the action of this shift.
DREW: Now, the one essence that we discovered I'm fragmented of last week, Lazour, which nobody seems to know too much about, is involved with this phenomenon, but in a way that's different than the other essences?
ELIAS: No.
DREW: No?
ELIAS: That essence functions within the same capacity as the other essences.
DREW: Which is to lend energy?
ELIAS: Correct.
DREW: Oh. Hmm. Okay, nothing mysterious about that!
ELIAS: No. (Grinning)
NORM: Much! (Laughter)
HELEN: Elias, I would like to know what essence I was fragmented of.
ELIAS: (Accessing) This shall hold no meaning to you, but I shall offer if you are so choosing. The tone of the essence that you have been fragmented of resonates, as a translation, to Zahte, Z-A-H-T-E. This is not an essence that functions within the cooperation of facilitating this exchange, and does not occupy the same area of consciousness as these essences. Therefore, it shall not hold very much meaning to you that you hold an awareness of a tone.
HELEN: Am I connected with Mylo in any way ... fragmented?
ELIAS: No.
BOBBI: I have a question. When an essence fragments, is the fragmented essence of the same family?
ELIAS: Not necessarily.
BOBBI: It would be a matter of choice.
ELIAS: Absolutely. Each fragment holds all choices and may move in whichever direction it is so choosing.
BOBBI: Would that be the general preference?
ELIAS: Not necessarily.
SUE: You said that the Vold, I think, interact with the Dream Walkers by hearing voices, and you said that I'm aligned with Vold. I've been wondering, does that mean I have a capacity for hearing voices? Or is that not something I would pursue?
ELIAS: You may. It is more natural for those individuals belonging to the Vold family, but within an alignment you may access this also, if so choosing; just as within alignment of Ilda, individuals may also access the Dream Walkers within an experience of extraterrestrials.
SUE: I was in a public place yesterday and somebody was doing Reiki on me. As I was sitting there, it occurred to me that it was a very noisy place. I heard a lot of voices, and I found myself thinking that if I were to hear a voice while I was alone at home, it would probably be very frightening to me, whereas if I were to hear something while I was in a room full of people, it would be less frightening. I wondered if that would be a way of pursuing that, if that makes sense ... if that question makes sense!
ELIAS: Within public communication, it is more easily discounted that you encounter a voice. Therefore, it is less frightening, for you may express to yourself that an individual is speaking, and you may also express to yourself an excuse of imagination; whereas within the privacy of yourself, it is much more difficult to be discounting of this type of encounter!
VICKI: So when Ron had an experience some time back where he heard somebody calling his name, was that what we assumed it was, which was an interaction with Paul, or was this something different?
ELIAS: This was an interaction with Paul.
VICKI: So you can't always assume that these types of things are only one thing. They can be related to many things.
ELIAS: Correct; although this was not offering information.
VICKI: Right; no.
ELIAS: It was merely a greeting. (Grinning)
NORM: I had a business encounter yesterday afternoon with an individual that almost seemed my twin, and I had a feeling afterwards that he must have been aligned and of the same family. Ed was his name, and I thought that he probably would be Sumafi and Gramada. Is that true?
ELIAS: You are correct.
NORM: There's something else. Is he another focus or something?
ELIAS: A counterpart.
NORM: A counterpart! That explains it.
VICKI: Would that be like a mirror counterpart?
ELIAS: Correct.
NORM: We have done similar but different things for fifty years, and we have been counterparts for all that time?
ELIAS: Correct.
NORM: I can believe that! We must have said good-bye six or eight times. We had so much to talk about. It was incredible!
DEBRA: Because I'm so new to this, I'm just picking up that the physics of the encounters ... I don't know what a Dream Walker is, but is there a correlation between all this phenomena and astrology, and the way the planets interact and transits and how it awakens certain levels of consciousness? Is there any interaction between that level of perception and what you're talking about tonight?
ELIAS: No. (Grinning) I have offered information also in the direction of astrology that you may be accessing with these individuals if you are choosing. (Pause, and then Drew and Margot both start talking at the same time)
DREW: I'm sorry. Go ahead. I don't want to change the subject if you're....
MARGOT: Well, I was going to change the subject!
DREW: Well ... you go first!
ELIAS: Such politeness! (Laughter)
DREW: I don't want to be intrusive!
MARGOT: In regard to what you were saying before the break about the Ilda and their means of communication, would the same hold true for people who are totally fascinated with the extraterrestrial phenomenon and everything that goes along with that? Would they be inclined to be Ilda if they have such a draw to it?
ELIAS: Many are.
MARGOT: Okay, thank you.
DREW: Well, this is a complete change of subject. I had a dream about you last night, you appearing as Mary actually, and I wanted to ask you about it. We were in some kind of a theater or auditorium. You were on stage and I was in the audience, and I stood up and asked you a question. This is actually an interesting question on its own which you can answer if you want to, but what I asked you was, "Does people's choice of musical instrument say something about them or their intent or the reality they're creating or whatever?" You stood up and as you do quite often in these dreams, got very large and said, "I'm always here to help." Your eyes got very big. I probably don't have to tell you what happened! (Laughter) And as quite often happens, I didn't quite get the answer, and I think I may have said, "I don't get it," and the whole audience -- there must have been hundreds of people in the audience -- laughed! I wasn't quite sure if they were laughing at me or at also not getting it as well. Then you came out into the audience, sat down at a piano -- which I guess is appropriate, now that I think about it -- and then started to demonstrate how you can take a concept and create a song out of it. I won't go into details, but I remember specifically what the concept was and how you were creating it. And then I'm pretty sure you went back up on stage, and that's pretty much all I remember. Interpretation 101? (Laughter)
ELIAS: The entirety of the interaction was a demonstration of tone and an explanation of tone. The answer that you were given, what you were not objectively noticing, was the TONE in which it was given.
DREW: Aha! Was the question I remember asking really the question I was asking?? (Laughter)
ELIAS: Yes.
DREW: I was curious about people's choice of musical instruments.
ELIAS: Yes, which DOES resonate. Within tone, you draw to certain instruments that resonate specific tones that resonate within you.
DREW: And your immediate response to the question -- getting very large, your eyes getting very big, and saying "I'm always here to help" -- was that simply an introduction to the answer, or was there more to that?
ELIAS: The tone was demonstrated in the answer, in the words.
DREW: Oh! Hmm. And then when you came out and played on the piano, it was a further demonstration of the same tone, essentially?
ELIAS: Correct. Every concept holds a tone. (Every picture tells a story ... insert music)
DREW: Interesting! Okay, thank you.
ELIAS: You are quite welcome. (Pause)
MARGOT: Since nobody's speaking up, I have a question, part of which I asked you yesterday. Howard wanted me to get your spelling for Abahque, and you gave it to me. He would like to know what the meaning is of either that place or that name.
ELIAS: In following the tone dream, the word holds a tone which holds a significance to Bosht.
MARGOT: His next question would be, negative or positive then?
ELIAS: Positive ... although there is no negative and positive!
MARGOT: Right, except in reality.
ELIAS: THIS particular physical reality! (Laughter)
DEBRA: What family is the man I just started working with from?
ELIAS: (Accessing) This would be Tumold. (Pause)
VICKI: Well, I have a question. We did a TFE last night with Margot, and the focus that she connected with obviously had something to do with her asthma. It seems this other focus has asthma too, and we did get some information out of that. I have a couple of questions about this. One, I had a real nagging feeling that there was something I could have initiated as the facilitator that I didn't really connect with, that I didn't initiate; and two, we kind of came to a conclusion that this other focus was affected physically by lead paint. I think we were pretty correct about that, but there still seems to be something missing in there for me. I think there's something I'm not getting about how these things work. For example, I can accept that the person could be affected by lead paint, but I think that there's probably more to that person's physical creation, that somehow a connection could be made if you are examining another focus with a similar physical manifestation that you have in this one ... I really don't know what my question is! (Laughter)
ELIAS: You have already connected to the question and offered yourself the answer! (Pause)
VICKI: Are you sure? (We all crack up)
ELIAS: Quite!
VICKI: I don't know why I have this feeling of missing something.
ELIAS: You are merely not paying attention to all of the information that you have offered yourselves, and examining all of the aspects of it; but you have, audibly to each other, presented yourselves with the information that you view to be missing.
VICKI: Maybe I'm just looking for something ... I don't know. Maybe I'm looking for something that isn't there. I just feel like there's something I'm missing. I don't know. There's somewhere I'm confused about it and I guess I'm not really sure where, so I probably should just shut up!
ELIAS: You need be merely stepping sideways a little more and engaging your periphery. The information is before you. It is an opportunity for you to examine the information in expanded form. You ARE missing, for you are not paying attention to all of your periphery, but you have presented yourself with the answers. Therefore, re-examine.
VICKI: Okay.
HELEN: Elias, I feel like my questions are so surface because I'm new at this, so....
ELIAS: Personal invalidation!
HELEN: Personal what?
ELIAS: Invalidation.
HELEN: Oh. We talked about that in my private.
ELIAS: Unacceptable!
HELEN: Sorry. I am perfect just the way I am! (We all crack up) I feel like Stuart Smally. "I'm smart enough, I'm good enough!" I just recently started working with a man named Dan and I'm completely obsessed with him, and I was wondering if we have any connections in other focuses or if it's just his celebrity status. He seems to be very intelligent. He's very interested in all of this and I'm sure he would be fascinated by it, but I was wondering if we've had any connection before, he and I?
ELIAS: You have, and you may investigate! And you also hold a commonality with your Zuli, although this individual is aligned.
HELEN: He's aligned with Zuli, and I'm from that family.
ELIAS: Correct.
HELEN: And I'm aligned with Ilda. What is his alignment?
ELIAS: Zuli. (Grinning)
HELEN: Oh, I'm sorry! So what family is he from? (Laughing)
ELIAS: Sumafi. Therefore, also within this focus, a draw within the commonality of the Zuli.
HELEN: Because we share the same profession?
ELIAS: You share many aspects of the same intent.
HELEN: Okay, thank you.
ELIAS: You are welcome.
DEBRA: Is it possible for animals to be from families? Because I believe that my cats have something to do with how I dream.
ELIAS: Creatures are created by you. Therefore, they are not of an essence family, for they are not an essence. They are a creation of your essences. They also are very connected to you, for they are a part of you. (Pause) Are you wishing of more questions this evening?
BOBBI: I have one. Am I fragmented of one of the twelve essences?
ELIAS: Yes.
BOBBI: Would it be Rose?
ELIAS: Yes.
HELEN: Five points! (Laughter)
DEBRA: What is my fragmentation?
ELIAS: This would be of another essence also not connected with these twelve facilitating this phenomenon. (Pause)
Fragmentation is a difficult subject. I have offered little information of fragmentation, for this is an area which is very difficult to be perceived within physical focus. It is an action that is continuous within non-physical areas of essence. Therefore, until within your time framework you are choosing to be disengaging and becoming non-physically focused, it is quite likely that you shall not be grasping the idea of fragmentation! It has merely been offered briefly as a subject, that you may glimpse some actions that you do, for you ARE an essence. Therefore, I offer you information that you shall not be understanding, but it shall offer you more of your periphery of the vastness and greatness of yourselves, of how much larger you are than you view yourselves to be.
VICKI: Speaking of fragmentation, this reminds me that I have a few questions for Melinda. Would it be okay if I ask them now? (Elias nods) Her first one has to do with fragmentation. Her impression is that she's fragmented of Patel.
ELIAS: She is correct. Quite a prolific little essence, is he not? (Grinning, and we all crack up)
VICKI: I'll say! Another question: "Could you give me some insight into how my twin-ship was formed on an entity level, in comparison with how Vic's and Mary's was created? My sense of it is that she is an off-shoot of me in some way that I can't entirely grasp."
ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, as are yourself and Michael in a manner of speaking, for you are one split to two; and in a similar capacity, this would be the situation with Sena also, but not fragmented of two essences.
VICKI: So basically, their one essence was fragmented of Patel and split into two?
ELIAS: Correct.
VICKI: Okay. Her last question is, "For years I've been aware of what I think is either counterpart or other-focus bleed-through in the area of electromagnetic energy research, in the areas where Tesla was interested. I get a sense of a contemporary interest, and also an interest that would have happened thousands of years ago, in my terms. Am I correct in interpreting this as counterpart or focus bleed-through, and how can I tell the difference between counterpart or focus, or does it matter?" (Pause)
ELIAS: They are different. A focus bleed-through, if not being a dispersed essence, shall be a focus bleed-through of your own essence. A counterpart is not necessarily a bleed-through, but an accessing. A counterpart is not necessarily a focus of your own essence or an element of your own essence, although it may be. Therefore, there is a difference.
This would be a counterpart-accessing, not a focus bleed-through. A focus bleed-through shall appear in clearer tone. Both may resonate as true, but one shall resonate as you. Are you understanding?
VICKI: Yeah, I think so.
ELIAS: Another may be questionable. The one that is the
focus bleed-through shall not be questionable. It shall resonate
within you AS YOU. Therefore, her questioning as to which action
is occurring.
Also, a focus bleed-through is more concentrated. It shall not
continue. It shall not be recurring, for it shall not be choosing
to be altering of your reality and your focus. Counterparts ARE altering
of your reality and focus, for they are adding to your experience.
VICKI: A focus bleed-through will not be recurring? Is that what you said?
ELIAS: Correct. It shall not be continuing over a time framework. In like manner to your dream state, it shall not be a recurring dream. It shall be an encounter. Just as I have expressed to you all not to be focusing so intensely upon other focuses, for you shall be altering of their reality, which is intrusive. You may view temporarily, but not to be interfering. Another focus automatically shall not be interfering with you. Therefore, it shall not be nagging you.
VICKI: So to go back to my question about the TFE last night: In the action that Margot incorporated with connecting with this other focus and realizing the things that she did, the action that she has sought out is completed?
ELIAS: Correct.
VICKI: Thank you.
ELIAS: You are welcome.
DREW: Is the action ... I'm sorry! Go ahead. You were going to say something, I know you were!
ELIAS: Continue. (Smiling)
DREW: Is the action of a TFE, if it's repeatedly done, interfering with another focus? (A TFE is our term for a "past-life regression")
ELIAS: If you are continuing to be entering this area and accessing the SAME focus repeatedly, intentionally, yes. You are altering, and this is intrusive.
DREW: Would we be able to access the other focus if there wasn't an agreement with the other focus to be accessed?
ELIAS: It is not quite as simple as merely an agreement. It is another aspect of your essence. You are in agreement with your essence!
DREW: And so how could we be intrusive, if that's the case?
ELIAS: (Intently) For you hold, within THIS focus, more information. If you were not holding this information that you hold, you would not be accessing intentionally another focus repeatedly, for you would automatically be non-intrusive; but you hold objective awareness presently, for you have gained information and you have learned how to be accessing another focus intentionally, and therefore you may be misusing of this information, so to speak. You hold a responsibility to an expression of essence. You have chosen and requested this information for your ease in moving into the action of this shift. In compliance with the request, you are given the information, but you also hold a responsibility within the information to be expressing from essence; which without the information, you would automatically do.
DREW: Does having these experiences and interacting with another aspect ... is another aspect the same as another focus of myself?
ELIAS: Yes. All elements of yourself are aspects.
DREW: Okay. In this action of engaging in a TFE, are we bringing information and helping to widen the awareness of the aspect to which we are....
ELIAS: You may be lending energy. You are not being harmful if you are not focusing upon one particular focus and interfering with it.
DREW: And is it possible to engage a TFE and simply observe? Or is there, within the very nature of doing a TFE, some interference with that focus?
ELIAS: There is ALWAYS an affectingness as you view or interact with another focus. But if you are merely viewing, if you are merely accessing temporarily another focus, the energy is then allowed to be directed by the other focus and reconstructed to be beneficial to the other focus; but you also hold the ability to direct energy yourself, therefore being altering of the other focus.
DREW: Okay, thank you.
ELIAS: You are welcome.
We shall disengage this evening. I shall be explaining more of this futurely also, and of the counterpart and focus differences. These are extensive subjects. I shall express to you all this evening much affection, and be expressing to all a very fond and loving au revoir!
Elias departs at 8:44 PM.
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Copyright 1997 Mary Ennis, All Rights Reserved.