Stepping into a Different Reality: Part 3
Topics:
“Preparing to Focus Hop: Why Am I Still Here?”
“Be Who You Want to Be”
“What Is Going to Be Left Behind?”
“Introducing the New Focus in Dreams”
“The Experience of Being in the Womb”
“Communicating with Essences”
Saturday, November 16, 2024 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Nuno (Lystell)
ELIAS: Good morning!
NUNO: Greetings, my friend.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) And how shall we begin this day?
NUNO: Well, I guess most of the questions I have for you today just come down to one thing, and that’s: why am I still here? (Both laugh) Maybe you can start with that.
ELIAS: (Laughs) “Why am I still here?” (Chuckles) I would say you have attended to much of everything in relation to where you’re going, and I would say now it’s a matter of attending to where you’re leaving.
NUNO: Okay. And just before I begin on that, just to confirm, I did contact the essences of the parents and obtained their agreement. Is this correct?
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: All right.
ELIAS: What I would say, that you have engaged what is necessary for you to engage in relation to that. Now it’s a matter of attending to where you’re leaving.
NUNO: All right. And can you elaborate on that, please?
ELIAS: I’d say it’s a matter of (pause) engaging with the people around you, your family, and (pause) giving them information – in whatever manner you choose. You don’t have to have a conversation if you don’t choose to. You can choose to write them in-depth letters, if you are so choosing.
But it’s also a matter of attending to what you perceive would be important for you to do in relation to what you’re leaving behind. Therefore if you have any financial situations, if you have any possessions, if you have anything that you want to be engaging with other individuals. I know you have engaged with certain team members in relation to what you want them to do, what you want them to hold for you or engage. And I would say that that’s good. It's more about friends and family. (Pause)
NUNO: All right. That’s an interesting piece. The approach I’ve taken with respect to that is first of all, I have arranged to leave a note behind.
ELIAS: One?
NUNO: Oh, you want many? My goodness.
ELIAS: I would say that it would be significant for you to leave a note for each family member.
NUNO: All right. I can do that. I’m just curious. Why is this important to me?
ELIAS: Because I would say that it is an expression of who you want to be. And that will carry over into this new lifetime. You’re not creating a new focus. You’re continuing. Therefore in that, it’s a matter of recognizing that what you do here and now carries on to there. (Pause) And in that, a significant part of that is who you want to be, and who you want to be is a caring and expressive individual.
I understand that you don’t have the bond necessarily with this family that you might envision as something that is your ideal, but nevertheless it’s not about that. It’s about you. It’s about who you want to be, and who you are. (Pause)
NUNO: Well, thank you. I understand that. And actually, that was more or less a question I had for you, was along those lines, as to because I am continuing the focus, it is an extension, whether I needed to make certain adjustments in myself in order to fit into that reality more effectively, I suppose you might say.
ELIAS: Yes. Precisely, because it IS a continuation.
NUNO: Okay. Well, that’s important. And thank you for informing me of that.
ELIAS: You’re very welcome.
NUNO: I can certainly make those arrangements. What I would say in that, though, is in my assessment of the situation with respect to the people here, I’ve avoided making any hints at all of what direction I’m moving in because I thought well, they’re not going to understand. And even in the people that follow you – I know you don’t like that word, “follow” – but the people that are privy to your information and the sessions that I’ve had with you, they don’t understand. Many of them think this is suicide.
ELIAS: I acknowledge you in that. I definitely acknowledge you in that. But that’s the point. It doesn’t matter, because it’s not about them. It’s about you.
NUNO: All right. I’ll move in that direction. And what I was concerned about mostly was that this would raise questions that would be very difficult to provide answers for, because they have such little understanding or no understanding.
ELIAS: Correct. And I acknowledge that. But in that, as I said, you don’t have to have a conversation with people. You can actually write letters, but it’s not a matter of writing one letter. It’s a matter of personalizing, being personal with each person that you are sharing with them. Whether they understand or not is irrelevant.
NUNO: All right. That’s good. I can definitely do that. On the other side, my preparations are sufficiently complete and everything is ready? It’s just a matter of this piece here then. Is that correct?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: I have some questions on various aspects of that. One is… well, you’ve more or less answered this already, but I’ll ask anyway: is the subjective awareness and the objective awareness in alignment on this?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: And what is going to be left behind, other than the body consciousness? Is the objective awareness left behind, or is that going with me?
ELIAS: No. That absolutely goes with you.
NUNO: So it’s only the body consciousness that’s left behind?
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: And you said that in that third step, which is releasing the body consciousness, you said it’s about meditating on engaging the new parents. Can you elaborate on that? In what way do I engage them or meditate on that?
ELIAS: Let me express to you, that (pause) it is not unusual for an essence that is, let us say, entering a new focus which to begin with the parents that you’ve chosen will not see this as different. They won’t see this as different until you’re already born and developing, and then they notice differences. But it’s not unusual for an essence to introduce the focus, and generally that happens through dreams. The parents will have dreams in which the small one is engaging them and speaking to them, and perhaps introducing itself and expressing what its name is. And in that, whatever the parents chose for a name they likely will change it to whatever the infant has expressed to them as its choice of its name. And generally that babe will give them different information about itself.
Therefore what it, what you’re doing is you’re already engaging them in an objective capacity (pause) AND observing them, making sure in every capacity that these are the individuals that you choose. That you’re aware of their personalities, you’re aware of their tendencies, you’re aware of what directions they move in. And I know you’ve done a lot of that already, but this is a matter of doing it in relation to the baby. Do you understand?
NUNO: Somewhat. I have done observations of them in various scenarios and observed their conversations. And these have all been in a timeframe, let’s say, prior to my birth. I’ve had some imaginings, I would call them, which are after my birth, but those would be in the future from that point of view. So…
ELIAS: Correct. Correct. No, I’m not expressing about future beyond your birth or even directly after your birth, but more in relation to the expectant baby and the expressions and direction of the parents in relation to that.
NUNO: I can do that. What I had been assuming was that the parents, given their awareness, which is significant, would actually be aware of the situation, in other words, the way I am entering into that reality. And it wouldn’t be necessary for me to express this to them, because they would be aware. But you’re saying that that’s not necessarily true?
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: So for me to engage them in that manner would be in connecting with the focuses?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: And expressing myself to them in that capacity. This would be similar to the way I connect, let’s say, with an essence and express myself to essence?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: All right. And what is significant here is what? That I express my preference for a name, which I have chosen to be my essence name, and also express the manner in which I am entering this, because it is unusual? Is that germane?
ELIAS: You can. I would say that they also initially may not entirely understand. They will, later. And I will say that whatever information you give them will be purposeful.
NUNO: But what information should I give them? What would be useful to them? And more importantly, what would be useful to helping me complete this?
ELIAS: For them, I would say (pause) perhaps giving them some information about your agenda, and what’s important to you. The factor that health and well-being is important to you, and that’s something that they definitely would be a part of. And also that harmony is important to you. Peace is important to you. And I would say that it’s simply a matter of expressing the things that are important to you. And that will encourage them to be participating in a manner that will help to provide that for you.
NUNO: Okay. I understand that. So in actuality, that is a piece that’s missing in my preparation? (Pause)
ELIAS: And I would say that this will be something that will be important and encouraging in relation to your movement in that direction.
NUNO: Yes. I can see that. In order for me to actually initiate that movement, that’s what you were saying. You were saying for me to meditate about engaging these parents?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: And I imagine that I will probably need to engage this meditation on several occasions before I am successful possibly.
ELIAS: I would agree.
NUNO: And therefore… I’m trying to understand… I mean, it doesn’t make sense for me to repeat the same information to the parents over and over again?
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: So how do I do that? What is… that I am meditating on, and what am I expressing?
ELIAS: What’s important to you. You can choose more than one subject with each meditation. You don’t have to be singular with meditations. It’s different than inner landscapes. But in that, I would say I would encourage you to first think about what are the things that are important to you. And don’t only think about the grand scale, but also think about things that are important to you in relation to your life. This is a continuation. Therefore think about what’s important to you now, and what interests you now, and therefore what direction you will move in then, from the time you are a small child.
NUNO: I understand. And when I am engaging these focuses, in that meditation should I have an expectation that they will respond? Or are they just taking in the information?
ELIAS: That would be the part of the observation. They’re… The mother might respond to you directly, but they will definitely respond to each other. They will definitely communicate with each other what their experiences are and what information they have been given.
NUNO: All right. Now at the time that I actually transition or insert myself into that reality, I will be entering as a fetus. Is that correct?
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: And should I be attempting to enter that? Or that will be automatic?
ELIAS: It’s not so automatic. You have to insert yourself into that. You would do that as essence also, if you were engaging a new focus. But even as a continuation focus, you would have to insert yourself into that position.
NUNO: And how do I do that? Is that part of these meditations? Or is that a separate process?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: Yes?
ELIAS: No, that is part of the meditation. That was the reason that I expressed that to you.
NUNO: And at what point in the pregnancy is that to occur?
ELIAS: From the beginning. Unless you choose to wait, because as I expressed to you, you do have approximately two years that you can insert yourself into that focus or that continuation of this focus.
NUNO: Just to clarify that, those two years, are they two years in this reality or the other reality?
ELIAS: The other reality.
NUNO: So I would ask you then: is it preferable to enter at inception?
ELIAS: Actually, that is your choice entirely. I would say that the situation is that if you are inserting yourself from inception or conception, then you are actively engaging or directing all the choices in relation to the fetus. If you’re not inserting yourself from the beginning, then there might be some expressions of the fetus that you would have to change. Therefore let’s say that the mother chooses to have a girl and you want to be born a boy, she might create a girl that you would have to then change the gender of that child. Which is not difficult, but it’s simply another step that you may or may not want to engage. It’s simply a matter of recognizing that if you are moving in the direction of directing from conception, then you don’t have to undo whatever the mother has chosen while you’re not choosing. Do you understand?
NUNO: Yes. And that would be bothersome, so I think the answer is simply I should engage at conception.
ELIAS: Very well.
NUNO: All right. And what will be my experience during gestation?
ELIAS: That’s up to you. What will be your experience will be the cooperation between you and the mother. Therefore that may also be something that you want to communicate, is that you might want a particular type of experience in the womb. You might want her to sing to you, or you might want music of a certain type, or you might want some other experience. Because whatever she’s experiencing, you’re experiencing.
NUNO: So therefore my experience during that interval is not just subjective? It’s also objective?
ELIAS: Oh, very much so. Yes.
NUNO: All right. It seems like I could get a little bit claustrophobic, but I imagine that’s…
ELIAS: Ah, no. Actually quite the opposite. As a fetus, it is – and an infant – it is very comforting to be very enclosed and to be swaddled in that capacity. What I would say is: when you want space and when you want to stretch, you will.
NUNO: All right. That’s comforting. (Elias chuckles) I… Obviously I’ve experienced this before (laughs) but I don’t really remember much of it.
ELIAS: I understand. And I would say to you not to concern yourself, because I would say that the womb is a very forgiving environment. Meaning that it’s very flexible and stretches, and therefore if you want to be stretching, if you want to stand up, you can.
NUNO: All right. That’s good information. (Elias chuckles) Now I have been incorporating the pearl energy into this.
ELIAS: Excellent.
NUNO: Specifically during my meditations, which now I understand I was doing them all wrong. And the intent that I expressed for the pearl energy is something like this, it is “to be born into that new reality as an extension of this focus.” And can you perhaps comment on that? Or offer a better intent?
ELIAS: I would say that that’s excellent. And I would also say that it’s (pause) a matter of (pause) including that you are (pause) expressing an intent for a smooth transition.
NUNO: We talked about various aspects of the focus, in like for example alignment, orientation and so on, but I didn’t ask you actually about intent and desire. Is that also something that can be changed?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: So I have chosen a desire for this new lifetime, and it’s… What I’d say, it’s pretty mushy. (Both laugh) It’s not very challenging. And I’ll tell you what I have chosen. I’ve chosen as my desire to lead a long and satisfying life. Just like that. What would you say about that?
ELIAS: What I would say about that is that although the desire is general, that might be a trifle too general.
NUNO: (Laughs) All right.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) I’d say that it’s a matter of being slightly more specific in relation to what is important to you in that focus. Therefore perhaps avoiding conflict or being in a state of tranquility. (Pause) Therefore adding that piece will be something that will solidify the desire. Because that’s your engine. Therefore it does need somewhat of something specific.
NUNO: All right. I like what you suggested. That’s quite good for me. For the intent, what I’ve chosen is to be true to myself.
ELIAS: Ah. And what would that mean, in your perception?
NUNO: That means being genuine. That means moving in directions that are genuinely of interest to me, genuinely beneficial to me, rather than being distracted by outside influences.
ELIAS: Very well. I would make a suggestion that in relation to that intent, because you’re expressing in those directions of what would be genuinely beneficial to you and so forth, I would make a suggestion that you include (pause) that you’re drawn to the expressions that allow you to do that. Therefore perhaps you would begin practices such as meditation from a very young age, which would be tremendously beneficial.
NUNO: Yes. Well thank you. I really appreciate your advice on this. It’s very important to me. (Pause) And I guess the choice to be LP or not LP is also up for grabs, so to speak? So I can… I can change that too?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: I’m inclined to not be LP. I think it hasn’t really done anything for me in this lifetime besides kind of put me in a position that makes it more challenging to be connecting with other people. So I’m going to not do that. I’ll just be a support person.
ELIAS: Very well.
NUNO: Would you agree with my assessment on that?
ELIAS: I would. I would.
NUNO: I’ve been practicing also the inner landscape because I really want to get out of here, and so… (Both laugh) And so I thought, well why not? So—
ELIAS: Very well.
NUNO: Would you say the inner landscape is helpful in this? You’ve already said the objective and the subjective are in alignment on this. Or maybe that’s not really necessary?
ELIAS: No. I would say that the inner landscape is beneficial for everything. Therefore yes, it can be helpful.
NUNO: Let me change subjects slightly here. I connected with Tingua.
ELIAS: Repeat.
NUNO: I connected with Tingua.
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: And… At least I think I did. And I had a conversation with that essence, which was actually a very nice conversation. I really felt her energy and it was… It seems to be like a strong bond there, or strong connection.
ELIAS: I would agree.
NUNO: And—
ELIAS: And (inaudible) energy.
NUNO: Sorry. Repeat?
ELIAS: And a lovely energy.
NUNO: Very definitely. Very definitely. And she expressed to me, and I just want to validate that I understood this properly or I received this properly. That we had a lifetime together in Egypt, timeframe approximately 300 B.C. Is that correct?
ELIAS: That would be correct. Yes.
NUNO: And it was kind of an ordinary life. We weren’t wealthy or anything like that, but it was a satisfying time that we had together. And she expressed that I died in that lifetime at an age of forty-five, which would have been fairly old for that timeframe, and she said I drowned in that lifetime. And is that correct?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: And then later… And then this was not part of my exchange with her, but later I got the impression that we had cats. Is that true or not?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: Oh, okay.
ELIAS: That would be correct.
NUNO: Well, I guess I did pretty good with that then.
ELIAS: I would agree.
NUNO: I like having conversations with essences. The thing is, it’s not the same conversation I would have with a friend because well, obvious reasons why, but…
ELIAS: I understand. What I would also say to you, that’s another point that you might want to include in relation to information that you offer to your parents. And you don’t have to offer the same information to each of them. They will share with each other. Therefore you don’t have to repeat yourself. But that might be another point that you might share with them, because it’s something that you enjoy and it’s something that’s important to you, AND as a small one, it will be much easier. Therefore if that is encouraged, then you likely won’t develop a block that you would have to undo as an adult. Do you understand?
NUNO: Yes. Excellent. Yeah, I understand that. That is important. But how does sharing this information with my parents help me?
ELIAS: Because then they know and then they will encourage you. They won’t discourage you.
NUNO: Someone who has a grandson told me that their grandson and you interact, and this is in the present time, and that the grandson very much interacts with you in a very natural way—
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: — and accepts that you are real.
ELIAS: I have several friends. I would say that is correct, and I have several children that I engage with in that capacity.
NUNO: So I have two questions about that. One is: can you do that in my new lifetime, as a child, for me?
ELIAS: Absolutely. Yes.
NUNO: And the second question is: why don’t you do that with adults?
ELIAS: I do, but you don’t listen.
NUNO: (Laughs) I would listen!
ELIAS: (Chuckles) I would say that I do do it with adults and that it’s something that is difficult for you to actually engage and hear. Even when I engage people in dreams, they have considerable difficulty remembering what we engaged or what I said, which I generally express to them that it’s of no consequence, that they will assimilate what we discussed anyway. But it’s disappointing for them that they don’t remember, which I understand.
NUNO: Well, with me, for example this past week I engaged you and asked you some questions along the lines of what I’m asking you presently. And I actually do this often.
ELIAS: I know.
NUNO: You know. (Elias laughs) And actually, this last time when I engaged you I thought I did pretty well with that. I mean, in the sense that—
ELIAS: I agree. I agree, but I would say that it’s different as an adult because your experiences and what you’ve learned and what you’ve been taught and your constructs cloud your ability to engage in the same way that you would as a child. Children don’t have all of that, and therefore they’re very open to what they already know. And if they’re not discouraged, then they can carry that with them throughout their lifetime. Which then other individuals label that as psychic or as channeling, but it matters not because what is happening is that you have maintained that openness and that interaction and that ability to interact with other essences, which I would say is excellent.
Now; in the time framework that you are moving to, that’s much more accepted. And in addition to being much more accepted, the parents would likely be much more open to encouraging all of that with you instead of discouraging it.
NUNO: I’m glad to hear that. One more important question here: these various characteristics of the focus such as orientation, gender, what have you, alignment, all of those things that we’ve talked about, how do I actually establish them? Is it just simply a matter of intent?
ELIAS: Yes. That’s all the same as everything else that you would be engaging in relation to the details of the focus, personality and gender and whatever direction you want to move in with, with that focus and – or that continuation of this focus. Everything that you’re changing is simply a matter of what your intention is. And in that, I would say that it’s also a part of your meditation. That’s how you establish it. All of this will move through your meditations.
NUNO: Okay. Now this meditation, from our conversation today I am thinking that it is a meditation in which I am engaging the parents. Did I misunderstand that?
ELIAS: No. You did not.
NUNO: So I would express that as well to the parents? My orientation, my intent, desire—
ELIAS: That’s not necessary. No. That’s not necessary. I would say that if you choose to, you could include something about your intent or your desire. That’s your choice. I would say that that type of information could be helpful to them in what they provide for you as you’re developing. That’s the point. That’s what you want to keep in mind, in relation to what’s important to you that you share with them, is: what do you want to be experiencing as you develop? What do you want them to be encouraging you with, and moving in a direction with you and not oppositional to you?
NUNO: Okay. Good. I understand that. Now we talked a bit previously about my appearance and I do have actually a strong preference in that, but it’s not really all that specific. How should I express this? I would like to have an attractive appearance, attractive male appearance, one that is, you know, attractive. And—
ELIAS: Attractive in your perception?
NUNO: No. The perception of others more.
ELIAS: But it would be your perception actually.
NUNO: All right. Then yes, in my perception. Whatever it is that facilitates those kinds of experiences.
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: And so, I don’t have a specific, let’s say, image of what I want to look like but I have that requirement. Is that sufficient, and will naturally go in that direction?
ELIAS: (Pause) Do you want to have an appearance that resembles your father?
NUNO: Not particularly. It doesn’t matter to me. I mean, it could. What I really want is just an appearance that will be suitable for the kinds of experiences that I want to have.
ELIAS: I understand. I would say that in moving in that type of generality, you likely will create something that would be an appearance that’s very similar to your father, because you’re not being specific.
NUNO: I see. So I should be more specific?
ELIAS: It would be advisable.
NUNO: All right. Well that’s… That’s kind of an important piece. All right. I can, I’ll work on that. And to establish that, that’s a matter of intent as well?
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: All right. In all of this, I think the one thing that is slightly troublesome to me is the cat, in that she’s very fond of me and she is attached to me and…
ELIAS: Who?
NUNO: The cat.
ELIAS: Ah!
NUNO: So, I don’t know what to do about that.
[The timer for the end of the session rings]
ELIAS: Remember: animals are an extension of you. Therefore it’s possible – I cannot express for certain, because it’s her choice – but generally speaking, what I would say would be the likelihood would be that once you leave, she will likely disengage and go with you.
NUNO: Oh. All right. That’s quite acceptable to me. I’ve been assuming that the people in this reality are very – I don’t know how to put this – I mean, very aware is what I would say. And you’ve already expressed something concerning that, but perhaps I’ve been too idealistic about that. Perhaps they are more not as aware as I thought they might be. Do you understand what I’m saying?
ELIAS: I do. And what is your question or your assessment of that?
NUNO: Nothing in particular. It doesn’t trouble me. I guess generally the question is: am I being unrealistic in some aspects of how I’ve imagined this reality?
ELIAS: Mm. It depends. If you’re speaking in general about people and their self-awareness, then I would say that perhaps you are expressing higher expectations of people than they can actually express and than they’re actually capable of yet. I would say that with some individuals that you know and that you interact with, that your expectation of their self-awareness is correct. With some, it might not be high enough. (Chuckles)
NUNO: Well, thank you so much. I hope I don’t have too many more of these conversations with you, but it seems that every time I do (both laugh), every time I do there is some more missing pieces that get added to this.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) Very well. I would say concentrate on what we have discussed, and I shall be encouraging you tremendously in every step, my friend, and expressing my energy with you in relation to your accomplishment.
In great love and in tremendous, tremendous friendship. In whichever direction I engage you next, I will be looking forward to it. (Chuckles) And I will express to you a great acknowledgment of what you are accomplishing thus far. Continue on, my friend! Au revoir.
NUNO: Au revoir.
(Elias departs after 1 hour 1 minute)
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