Male, Female and Nonbinary Energy
Topics:
“Male, Female and Nonbinary Energy”
“Power Is Moving to the Individual”
“Trust Yourselves”
Saturday, October 26, 2024 (Group/Hinsdale, New Hampshire)
Participants: Mary (Michael), Ann (Vivette), Bonnie (Lyla), Christina (Melian), Debbie (Tamarra), Denise (Azura), Eric (Doren), John (Rrussell), Hazra (Lettecia), John (Lonn), Karen (Turell), Lynda (Ruther), Mark (Liam), Melissa (Leah), Morgonn (Sojee), Oliver (Amir), Phil (Paetre), Veronica (Amadis), and Yvonne (Zarla)
“This century is the insertion of the objective part of this Shift. And in the objective part of this Shift, many things are coming to light and are coming into your awareness and your existence that weren’t being expressed in the previous century.”
“And one person can make all the difference, whether you believe that or not. You have examples of it throughout your history. One person can make an incredible difference.”
ELIAS: Good day!
GROUP: Good day, Elias!
ELIAS: (Laughs) Now; we have an agenda for today, and our agenda is to be discussing male, female and other – or in your chosen terminology, nonbinary – and what that means and… what is it? Because I would say that it’s not only that you’re not completely defined in relation to nonbinary, but BECAUSE there is this third element, most of you have then been presented with “What does it mean to not be nonbinary? What does it mean to be male or female? And how do you distinguish? How do you know what YOU are?” You know. (Chuckles) You all know.
But in that, I would say that there are many questions that people have in relation to this subject. We likely will touch on some other subjects also, but this is our beginning subject. And in that, I’m going to begin with you in asking you each how you identify yourselves, and if you can, express what that means and how do you know that you identify in that capacity. What tells you that you are male or female or nonbinary? How do you define that in your identity?
Therefore, I will begin with you. [Indicating Debbie]
DEBBIE: I feel, and I confirmed with you, I am female. As to the other part of that, and many conversations with my partner and with Michael, it’s very challenging to define that knowing. We didn’t get very far, Elias, in doing that. (Both chuckle) I was puzzled because I’ve always been drawn –back in the day, I’m thinking about college – to the earlier ideas that tend to be nonbinary, like knowing that I wasn’t, but my attraction. We used to call them androgynous or combining qualities, and how appealing that was to me, but I’ve always been female. And yet I’m not what you’d call an overly feminine person. I was a tomboy, you know with motorcycles, more comfortable around my boy cousins and all that. And still, I can still DO the female thing, but again we’re talking those degrees, you know, type of thing, so… It’s part of that identity thing. It’s definitely what we’ve been exploring, and obviously now with what Michael shared [in Mary’s talk, directly preceding the group session], it opens up a whole new range. Both Michael and my partner are nonbinary, and I’m not. So, again, I don’t have much to offer in the knowing part, but I’m all in to learn.
ELIAS: Very well. Okay. [Indicating Phil]
PHIL: I would say that I knew pretty early on, as a teenager, and of course at the time it was the ‘70s and I thought it was quite natural to be drawn to androgynous public figures and musicians and that type of thing. I didn’t think of it in sexual terms; it was like an attraction or a…
DEBBIE: Resonance?
PHIL: Yes. Thank you. Yeah. And I also felt very rejecting of the male role, things that were being tossed at me at that time to become a man, and I ended up buying into it and did it for the next 30 years, and then I had to unwind that all. But at that time, it just did not sit well with me that I was expected to embody this role of the male, especially being big and strong and yadda yadda yadda, and my family being very… the majority very Catholic. You know, there was no room to work around that. So I think that that led me here, and then it was an easy leap to make once I started getting the information.
ELIAS: Very well. [Indicating Mark]
MARK: I choose to pass the baton. I don’t know what nonbinary is, so I can’t really…
ELIAS: Very well. We will take this opportunity to explain that. Nonbinary is what I had introduced many years ago in expressing “other.” And because now, collectively, people have chosen that terminology of nonbinary, which means not one or the other. You have your male and female, and then there are a third of your population –
MARK: A third?
ELIAS: A third of your population which would be considered nonbinary. They don’t identify their identity with either male or female. They’re not opposed to either, but they don’t fit into that structure of the male or the female. And in that, these are – many times in this present time framework – people that would be comfortable with even altering their physical form to become more androgynous. Do you know what androgynous means?
MARK: No.
ELIAS: Androgynous is actually a form and an expression that has no sexual identity.
MARK: Can I interrupt you?
ELIAS: Yes.
MARK: And ask you a question?
ELIAS: Yes.
MARK: As you well know, I’m trying to retrain myself not to feel everything in my interactions with people. Specifically with this nonbinary, what you’re defining right now, sometimes I sense the female and the male. It’s very confusing to me. Sometimes I sense it’s stronger in one moment, and then it shifts in another moment.
ELIAS: Yes.
MARK: So again I get confused because I don’t know. I’m used to the other two-thirds of the population. I didn’t realize it was that high.
ELIAS: Being very black and white.
MARK: Being very black and white. So because of, I guess, just me, I don’t know how to explain that, but I get confused. So I say I don’t know what that is. I really don’t. I do, but I don’t.
ELIAS: Actually you are describing it very well and articulating that very well. It’s… It’s not that these individuals are nonsexual.
MARK: No, I feel that too.
ELIAS: Although many of them can be.
MARK: Can I ask you another question then? I’ve sensed that, when there’s no sexual… I don’t know what the word is to express what I’m talking about.
ELIAS: Energy.
MARK: Energy. Yeah. So there’s no energy there. But it seems like you’re saying that the definition is, is that it could be that or it could be the other, meaning it could be no sexual energy or it could be –
DENISE: Mixed.
MARK: Male and female sexual energy.
ELIAS: Yes.
MARK: So it doesn’t have to be either/or.
ELIAS: Correct. And it could be very strong.
MARK: And the question I would have then is, with the ones with none, is it always none or are they going to change it, or is that pretty unlikely?
ELIAS: I would say…
MARK: That’s the androgynous you’re talking about.
ELIAS: Yes. I would say that for those individuals that fall into that category, let’s say, of androgynous and that don’t express much of a sexual energy… First of all let me say that it’s exceedingly rare for a human to not express ANY sexual energy. All of you have naturally a sexual energy, whether you express it or not. But there are many, many, many of the nonbinary people that are comfortable with not expressing a sexual overture, let us say – that they’re comfortable in not engaging in sexual energy, and especially with others. But they do have a mix of male and female energy, and it depends on the individual but for the most part, they don’t think about that.
They do have both of those energies, but they’re not necessarily defining that or thinking about that; they’re simply being themselves, somewhat in the middle. And they’re not actually looking at themselves and saying to themselves, “I’m definitely more male today,” or “I’m definitely more female today,” or “I feel very female today,” or “I feel very male today.” They don’t generally move in that direction. They’re simply proceeding as themself with that blend of energy and that it’s comfortable for them, and that they don’t have to identify in one direction or the other – it doesn’t matter.
This is also the reason that it may be confusing to many individuals in this present time, because a lot of the younger individuals are stepping away from the traditional terms that you use –
MARK: Definitions.
ELIAS: — to identify each other. And that’s the reason that they’re moving in this direction of “they” and “them,” because it’s neutral.
It’s difficult for many individuals to move in that direction, and it’s difficult for many individuals to accept that, because it’s so foreign and because to those of you that identify as male/female, he/she, these other terms seem silly. And they seem almost ridiculous, because you’re looking at an individual that is clearly, in your perception, male or female: “This person is a male, this person is a female. There shouldn’t be any confusion about that.” But there is.
And in that, it’s a matter of… As I’ve expressed, this century is the insertion of the objective part of this Shift. And in the objective part of this Shift, many things are coming to light and are coming into your awareness and your existence that weren’t BEING expressed in the previous century. Because you’re moving into that individuality, you’re moving into the objective expression of this Shift, the objective expression of yourselves, and becoming more aware, self-aware, as we’ve been discussing. And in becoming more self-aware, you’re defining yourselves more clearly. And that means that all of you that AREN’T nonbinary also have to begin to define yourselves, because these people are defining themselves, now what are you? And what does that do? How does that reflect on you? What does that make you, and how do you see yourselves? How do you perceive yourselves?
Let me express to all of you that regardless of whether you identify yourselves with your identity as a male or female or nonbinary, you will have been aware of this from the time you were a child. Even before adolescence, you would have been aware of this as a child. As a child, as a female, you may not have been what people termed to be “girlie-girlie.” You may have had an environment that might have encouraged you to BE a tomboy and to play with boys and to be rougher. And in that, you may not have been expressing in frills and lace and pink. Or, you may have been a boy that was surrounded by sisters and girls, and you may not have been as rough and tough as some other boys, but you always had a sense of being a boy and being NOT those girls.
If you are an individual that is nonbinary, you’ve always had a sense from childhood of not quite fitting in EITHER of those directions [but] that you can if you’re made to; if you have to, you can move in this direction or that direction, but left to your own devices you are more interested in only going in your own direction and not necessarily having to fit into something else. That is the point with the nonbinary, is that as a child they would be thinking and feeling that they have to fit something, that that’s not what they want to do, that’s not who they are, but because of their society, because of their parents, because of their school they have to fit in this direction, that boys have to wear certain types of clothes and girls have to wear certain types of clothes. And that’s only one very superficial expression of fitting yourself into something that isn’t necessarily you.
Therefore, as you develop, as you age, that sense of yourself as a male individual or as a female individual or as a nonbinary individual increases. And what happens is, is that it makes it harder to fit. It makes it more of a struggle to fit where you don’t fit. And then –
MARK: Are you referencing all three now or just nonbinary?
ELIAS: It depends. It depends, because let me say to you: People that are homosexual are not necessarily nonbinary. People that are transgendered are DEFINITELY not nonbinary.
ANN: They just feel like they’re in the wrong body.
ELIAS: Correct. But they’re very –
ANN: They feel like they’re the other sex.
ELIAS: Correct. They are very definite about being the other gender. They’re not questioning that at all. Therefore in that, yes, it also is a matter of male and female, that it’s something that people have been moving in this direction of defining. And in that, I would say that you’ve had in the end part of your previous century, the last 20 years of your previous century, there was a global uprising in relation to homosexual individuals. And that carries on to today, in identifying themselves. And in that, –
MARK: But they don’t classify as other.
ELIAS: SOME do, but not all. Therefore, some identify themselves very strongly as male or as female. Actually, in terms of homosexual individuals, they even have words for the different expressions of people that identify in different manners.
Therefore it’s not simply that this is a discussion about nonbinary; this is a discussion about ALL of you and how you see your individual identity and what that means and therefore how you express yourself as that individual.
[To Mark] I will help you and express to you you’re definitely male.
MARK: Thank you. (Group laughter)
ANN: You know what’s interesting, Elias, is like if you identify as either male/female, nonbinary, or you also identify as heterosexual or homosexual, whatever, that sometimes you hear about people who do transgender. They’re women and they date women, and then they become a man and they want to date men, so their identity must be homosexual. It doesn’t really matter what sex. Or is that not the way it is? I mean, I’ve seen it happen, –
ELIAS: Yes.
ANN: But I don’t know if it’s just because their identity is being homosexual, so whatever sex they are they want to be with that sex. I would have thought you were just attracted to what sex you were attracted to, whether you are a man or a woman.
ELIAS: Not necessarily.
ANN: Yeah.
ELIAS: Not necessarily.
ANN: Well, I mean I’ve seen it.
MARK: You know, Elias?
ELIAS: Yes?
MARK: I didn’t need your help. I know what I am.
ELIAS: I know. (Group laughter) I know. (Laughs)
JOHN/RRUSSELL: And you said it right in the beginning, right? I was talking to Mary once, this was like a couple of months ago I was talking to Mary, and Mary was talking about somebody who was having a session about nonbinary. And Mary said, “Well, what does it even mean then to be heterosexual?” or something like that, or a guy. And I thought, “Well, that’s very interesting. I’ve got five minutes left. I’ll ask that.” And I asked you and you said, “Oh yeah, we’ll be talking about this at the group session.” And I’ve been thinking about that. I don’t really…
To me there’s a couple of components, right? Because I can think as far back as maybe being four or five years old, seeing… they used to call them “titties and beer shows” on TV in the ‘70s, but seeing a woman I’m like, “Wow!” And I had friends who were girls who… One of my favorite games was playing doctor. (Group laughter) And I’m like, “Oh, this is a kind of interesting angle,” right? And then there’s certain… I’ve always been very boyish, right? As a boy. But then there’s things like what Phil was talking about, like certain… like I’m not… You know, I’m more sensitive. I was into the arts and feeling and emoting, and that comes out when you’re playing or whatever you’re going to do. And so there are certain things you can reject. And I think as I get older, I can start to see guys who are Millennials, for example, versus Generation X or the so-called Silent Generation – that would be my parents, right? There is much more variety of expression that’s a lot more permissible, I think.
But I guess that’s the thing, right? There’s your physical gender, there’s kind of how you behave, and then there’s the attraction, and all three can be three different things, right?
ELIAS: Correct. Yes.
JOHN/RRUSSELL: Yeah.
MORGOON: It comes with just socialization, right?
JOHN/RRUSSELL: Yeah.
MORGONN: Like I know as a kid I never felt comfortable. As a teenager the girls would be like, “Oh, the guys! The guys!” and I’d be like, “No!” And the guys would be like “Woo! Woo!” and I’d be like, “Fuck you!” (Group laughter)
I hated being objectified. I really, really disliked it, and so I would dress down and dress like… I mean, I could do it, and then to fit in I would do it to fit in and talk about the things that all the girls wanted to talk about and do all that, but it made me very uncomfortable. And so it was like I sort of wanted to find a place where I could just be myself without having to do it the way my mother did it or do it the way my friends did it. And it really fucked me up as a teenager. I got into weird situations that were dangerous because I couldn’t… I couldn’t stand up for myself properly because I didn’t have any language around me. I had no one to support me, to say, “No, you don’t have to do it that way.”
I finally went to like a birth control center, and a nurse sat me down and she said, “You can say no. You can do this. You can do that.” She just gave me all the rules that my parents weren’t going to give me, my girlfriends weren’t going to give me, and I finally felt like I could suddenly take control of my own sexuality. And I’m not like, you know, into pictures of vaginas. Like I’m not one of these women that are like super pro-women, you know what I mean? But at the same time, it did take me a really long time to get comfortable in my sexuality as ME.
ELIAS: Yes.
MORGONN: Not as what everybody wants me to be, what men expect from me. But it’s just taken so long. And then I’m like, “Ah, finally I’m here. I can just be here,” right? So I’d say socialization to me was almost bigger, like the images you see in magazines –
ELIAS: Very much so.
JOHN/RRUSSELL: Absolutely.
MORGONN: Because your friends might be just like you, but we’re all watching the same TV programs.
JOHN/RRUSSELL: Right. Right. Right. Right. I’m not necessarily, like, one for certain things – no, no. [To Morgonn] You said an interesting thing right at the beginning which is a word that’s very popular now. It’s like being objectified, and that’s an interesting thing, because I think objectification is natural, it just comes out bad ways culturally because of… I don’t know.
ELIAS: Constructs.
JOHN/RRUSSELL: Constructs. Because of constructs. But otherwise objectification I think is a natural action.
ELIAS: It is. It is. It is. But you’re correct, it isn’t always expressed in what is a beneficial or an appropriate manner.
JOHN/RRUSSELL: Right, and you get all… like you were talking about.
ELIAS: And, as I recently expressed (chuckles) with Zarla, I would say that you’ve had no role models because there aren’t any role models yet. There are NOW, but for babies.
MORGONN: There are now, when I work with… You know, I work with people who are 23 years old and they call themselves they/them, and they describe why they are they/them and I’m like, “Thank god you’re here and thank god you’re embracing this, because you’re allowing the rest of us all this freedom that we never had.”
ELIAS: And also, then all of you become the role models for the infants that are growing up that will also be nonbinary, and then THEY will have role models, which you haven’t had because you’ve been subjected to being one or the other.
I would say that in the beginning when I introduced this subject… (quietly) more than a quarter of a century ago… (group laughter) of “other,” people thought I was speaking about homosexuals, which couldn’t be farther from what I was discussing. (Chuckles) But no one was ready at that point to actually receive this information. And I would say that your younger generation, as always, has ushered in this new expression of awareness that is creating somewhat of a sexual revolution – which is excellent and about time.
But let’s continue. [To Morgonn] Now obviously we know what your identity is. [To Melissa] Therefore what would you say?
MELISSA: I would say I identify as female.
ELIAS: I would agree.
MELISSA: Okay. I do identify as female, but then you know I also… I was talking to Karen about this last night. Like, I don’t like roles being assigned to me. I feel very uncomfortable with that, especially in terms of gender. I didn’t like it when I was taking acting classes, I didn’t like the roles assigned in life. I don’t really feel like I fit into the two options that I perceived. Like you can be a career woman or you can be home taking care of the kids, and I didn’t fit with either.
Actually, up until recently I was still struggling with that a little bit. I feel like I’m not as much now but more comfortable. I’m still figuring out, but I’m more comfortable. But… Yeah, and I do feel like I have some male energy. Some of the music I’m interested in –
ELIAS: Everyone does.
MELISSA: Yeah.
ELIAS: Everyone has a mix of both.
MELISSA: Like I don’t typically relate to the music that the other women listen to sometimes. I guess it’s a mix, but I listen to music that more males listen to. But… Yeah, it’s… I have more to say, but I’ll just stop there.
MORGONN: I do identify as female; I just don’t identify as in accordance with whatever my role models were.
ELIAS: Very well. [To Oliver] And you?
OLIVER: It’s funny, because when I thought about this I probably would have said pretty similar things like Phil, that growing up I was not comfortable with the assigned idea of what it meant to be masculine. And I think that at the time the culture encouraged that, like a more softer, feminine version of masculinity. My mother encouraged the same. So I can identify these influences in the direction. I would say that also I feel they’re not necessarily in opposition to what I actually am. So I could always see and in a positive way identify so-called feminine parts in myself.
But in terms of my attraction, it’s very clearly to the feminine. My sexual attraction is very exclusively to females. And so I was confused in that way, like to answer the question. Now when I talked to Tompkin about it, he said, “No, no, no. You’re male. Think about it.” (Laughs) And I feel that yes, so I have that attraction, that’s an exclusive attraction I would say, but inside of me I would say I do identify with the fact that I’m not aligning with the cliché contemporary masculine models and that I do have feminine energies and aspects in me.
ELIAS: And let me clarify momentarily in this, that… First of all, I will repeat: Everyone, all of you, have male and female energies. But there is some, in a manner of speaking, division that people have that identity of themself of male or of female or of neither. And in that, there are a lot of outside influences: your culture, your family, your schools, your friends – there are a lot. And it’s also a matter of your societies, and this is a piece that also relates to what you were expressing, that some people’s experiences have been nurturing in a direction to encourage them in more of a balance. Many people’s experiences are not that.
And, in relation to men and women, in your previous century there was a tremendous push for women to express themselves and to rise in the direction of equality. Which, I’m not expressing that that’s wrong or bad at all, but it did have its consequences, and all of you are dealing with those consequences now – or not dealing with them, but they’re there for men and women: in fertility, prostate problems, much more increase in dis-ease. There is a lot that has been the consequences of those huge pushes.
And… AND what has occurred – this is an example of the influences around you. You’re coming from a male-dominated world for as long as humans have existed until now. And in that, that male-dominated world has expressed in very specific types of energies and very specific types of actions and behaviors. In the previous century, in the subjective insertion of this Shift, that began to change, but it wasn’t as obvious as it’s becoming now. And what did become obvious in relation to female individuals is that you learned very well from your predecessors. You learned from the male-dominated world how to be, what to do and how to be successful.
ANN: So Elias, it almost seems like we got a little bit confused. Instead of women, when women were wanting to be heard and wanting to have… They wanted to become more like men instead of more like women.
ELIAS: Yes.
ANN: And if we’re having the feminine energy come in, we should celebrate the woman energy, and –
ELIAS: But you don’t even know what that is.
ANN: I mean I do. (Group chatter) Maybe I don’t, but I do think I know what that is. (Group chatter) It’s intuition, and it’s –
ELIAS: People think that the feminine energy is more love, more intuition, but you don’t even know what that means of “more intuition” —
MELISSA: Nurturing also.
ELIAS: Nurturing. Those are not necessarily female qualities. They are not necessarily –
JOHN/RRUSSELL: Connecting.
ANN: What would be an exclusive… Connecting?
JOHN/RRUSSELL: I think so. Connecting.
ELIAS: No.
ANN: Would it be receiving?
ELIAS: No.
ANN: And we’re obviously, if you look at an electrical outlet… (Group laughter) I’m sorry, Elias. All right. I’m very curious. What are exclusively female –
ELIAS: That is what we’re discussing, is defining what is a female, what makes up a female, what makes up a male, what makes up a nonbinary – what?
JOHN/RRUSSELL: Well, I was talking to –
ANN: Well, he didn’t answer my question first.
JOHN/RRUSSELL: Oh. Well, I was going to say something that I think will answer the question.
ANN: Oh, okay.
ELIAS: You can.
JOHN/RRUSSELL: Because I was talking to Kenny. Kenny’s a male in Boston. He was telling me he referred to me as a “breeder.” And he’s not a breeder, he’s gay, very happily. And he said an interesting thing. He said, “People like you, like you have this inbuilt sense of legacy.” And he’s like, “I can’t even imagine what that’s like. It’s so much responsibility, and what do you?… How do you…?” That was his whole thing. He’d had a few drinks at the time. (Chuckles) But what I was going to say is like, so like you can have a kid and that is like… That’s all you need. That’s all you need. That’s a profound difference that’s going to shape everything else, right? Just in terms of how you perceive the world and go about it and stuff. (Group chatter)
ELIAS: Not necessarily, because there are many female individuals that choose not to move in that direction at all.
JOHN/RRUSSELL: But they’re still making a choice of whether they… Or they might not be, but it’s ultimately in some higher plane they’ve made a choice. Because I’ll never… I’ll never deliver a kid. I mean, maybe with technology… (Chuckles)
ANN: Well, some day with technology and everything.
JOHN/RRUSSELL: You never know. So I’m wrong. That was what I was going to say. (Group chatter)
ELIAS: It’s not exactly that you’re wrong.
JOHN/RRUSSELL: Okay. Awesome.
ANN: Just one characteristic. Right? For now, and then we can go from there, that is exclusively female and one that’s exclusively male – and is there an exclusively nonbinary characteristic? That’s exclusive in each of those categories?
OLIVER: Oh you’re asking. You’re asking Elias.
ANN: I am asking Elias.
OLIVER: Yes.
ELIAS: It’s not as connected to sexuality as you think. It’s more a matter of perception and identity. That’s more what the distinction is, not necessarily a sexual expression – because the sexual expressions can move in and out of all of it. But how you perceive yourself, that… And it’s not necessarily about body, either. It can be, or it can’t be; that’s not a defining factor. It’s about how you see yourself, how you perceive yourself, and in that perception, how you want others to see you – not only how you express yourself, but how you want to be reflected to.
And in that, such as not wanting to be pushed into a mold of being objectified in a certain manner but still feeling within yourself – because your feelings are a part of this – and feeling within yourself that you’re comfortable with how you were born and that you don’t have any question about that. You were born in this body, and that’s acceptable to you and you don’t have any problems with it. You don’t feel out of place in it – that you were born in this body, and that’s acceptable to you and that it’s not something that you question. You don’t move through your life questioning yourself, “What’s wrong with me? What’s different?” Even if you’re not thinking, “What’s wrong with me? What’s different about me that I don’t seem to fit perfectly into how I was born? Because how I was born was in this dynamic of either/or.”
But being a male or being a female, you don’t have that problem, that you don’t question that. You’re comfortable in your perception and your identity of yourself in the gender that you were born into.
Let me also say that – and this is not a rule, but there are many individuals that are nonbinary that as men don’t express as strong of a sexual drive as what you think of as the average male individual. And they can actually have diminished male organs – not dramatically, but to a degree. Females can have embellished female organs, and in that, they may be more or not more sexually inclined. But the point of that information is that it’s not black and white, that even physically there are differences that can’t be seen from the outside, but there are differences.
And in that, there are many, many, many expressions of societies throughout your world in many different capacities that influence all of you in relation to how you identify yourself and what is comfortable for you and what isn’t comfortable for you.
Now, I would say in addressing to what you expressed earlier, [to Morgonn] you are very correct, that learning from the male-dominated world in the past century – actually the past century and a half – women, female individuals, have moved in a direction of mimicking them, and they have become very successful in that. But the reason they’ve become very successful is because they have mimicked them so well and are not expressing themselves. They’re expressing what they believe is necessary to compete, and competition is a male-originated expression.
Now; THAT is something that I will say is intrinsically female, is to not be competitive.
ANN: To be cooperative maybe? (Group laughter)
ELIAS: That’s something that needs to be learned, but I would say that male individuals are intrinsically competitive – out of necessity. And that has carried through your history, even though now it’s not necessary, but it’s something that is known. It’s something that has been learned, and it’s something that’s known and therefore that’s what you do. And what females have learned over the past century and a half – and they’ve been learning for much longer than that, but it’s been something that has been a wave, a movement, per se, for the last century and a half, of mimicking that competitiveness and being very determined to express it to compete to win.
JOHN/RRUSSELL: And that’s the friction I think a lot of people notice with female personalities in corporate environments or political environments, I think. Whereas you have these really public figures who are equally influential like – I’m just going to throw out a couple of names – Dolly Parton or Queen Elizabeth that really don’t exhibit that sort of friction, right? There’s not that type of…
ELIAS: To a degree.
JOHN/RRUSSELL: Yeah.
ELIAS: I would express that both of them to a degree did, because in their perception they had to.
JOHN/RRUSSELL: Right.
ELIAS: I would say that in the early years of Dolly Parton’s career she definitely moved in that direction because she perceived it was necessary to be successful. With Queen Elizabeth, not as much, but her role was very different. That she did, though, express some of that in relation to her relationship with her husband and having to be the head of state, the head of the family and not him, and in a time in which there was a lot of push against that. And that’s what a lot of female individuals have been moving in that direction of pushing against: not being less than, not being subservient to, not being forced into roles that they don’t want to be in or they’re not interested in, and having intellect and not being able to use it, or being discounted.
And therefore I would say that this is something that has been rising up for this time, and now you have, in a manner of speaking, the consequences of that. You have very strong women, but there are many, many, many, many strong women that don’t have to be in competition with everyone else. They’re not simply in competition with male individuals; they’re in competition with everyone.
ANN: You know the saying, “Behind every great man is a greater woman,” or whatever how the saying goes? Would this be…? Like when you talk about men being competitive it seems more out in the open, but for women to have their power – I mean maybe not so much today, but traditionally it almost seems like they would have been more cunning or more…
ELIAS: Manipulative.
ANN: Manipulative.
JOHN/RRUSSELL: Strategic.
ANN: I like strategic better, Elias. But so is that a female trait or is that because women had to survive in a man’s world?
ELIAS: Yes. That’s learned.
ANN: Yeah. You still haven’t given me a female characteristic.
ELIAS: I did.
ANN: No! You said competitive.
ELIAS: Non-competition.
ANN: Oh, non-competition. All right.
OLIVER: I still feel my understanding lacking in those terms. So if you’re saying we are moving more into female energy, I still don’t understand what that is.
ELIAS: That would be more non-competitive.
ANN: More cooperative.
OLIVER: So it’s a negative definition? It’s like it’s not its own, it defines itself by not being what the male aspect is?
ELIAS: Very well. It’s not necessarily cooperation, because that’s something that is learned. But I would say that instead of being competitive, that the female energy is more (pause) contemplative. It’s more in a direction of taking in information and then evaluating that rather than competing automatically.
OLIVER: So the masculine is more action driven? And it’s a bit more like the common designation in a way? Like I can…
ELIAS: Yes, and to win. And the female is not necessarily to win in the competition but more naturally driven by contemplation and evaluation.
KAREN: Would process be part of it? To be process focused?
ELIAS: Yes. Yes. I would agree with that.
OLIVER: So, is…? But action still is part of this reality here.
ELIAS: Oh definitely.
OLIVER: So action occurs at one point, so contemplation is not going to be endless.
ELIAS: Contemplation is an action also.
OLIVER: Ah. It doesn’t refine itself into points of action or into positions?
ELIAS: Of course it does. Because as you contemplate and as you evaluate, that influences your behavior. And that is expressed in physical action.
ERIC: One of the things that’s been expressed to me on numerous occasions is, “You always think you’re right,” and it’s foreign to me to NOT think I’m always right. “Yeah, of course I do. Doesn’t everybody?” And to find out that people don’t always think they’re right… I can’t get my head around that. So that’s… It’s like that whole “I don’t like to lose, and I always think I’m right.”
ELIAS: And that’s also part of the competition and the winning. That is part of that movement. And in that, that’s natural. And because it’s been the energy of your reality from the beginning; therefore, it IS natural. And in that, you DON’T think about it, and you do assume that everyone does that. But everyone doesn’t do that, because there is that contemplation and evaluation to discern: “Are you right or are you not right? Am I right?” And in that also is another piece of that male influence, because that has influenced ALL of you to be questioning yourselves about being right.
Which we have talked about many times, that this… It’s not about being right; it’s about differences and being able to accept differences. But you’re still moving in that direction automatically of being right, and you will find yourself in those situations when you’re not expecting it, because you’re not thinking about it. You’re simply expressing yourself, and whatever it is that you’re expressing you’re absolute about, and you know you’re right and that’s all there is to it. And there’s no discussion and there is no question about it.
Except that people are now BEGINNING to question. They’re beginning to question if THEY are right themselves. I will express to you, one of the most common questions that is posed to myself is, “Elias, am I right?” (Group laughter) Which is the question for you to answer to yourselves, but that’s what I am posed with the most, is that question about whether you’re right or not, and whether I agree with whether you’re right or not. (Group laughter)
And in that, I would say to all of you, this is all a part of shifting into that feminine energy, moving out of the male-dominated energy and moving into the female. It’s not what you think. It IS those questions about “Am I right? Is this person right? What IS right?” It’s not (in a quiet voice) “We’re all so nurturing. We’re all so loving. We have the female, intuitive energy, and it’s quiet and calm and peaceful.” No, it’s not! Female individuals are just as determined as male individuals, and they can be just as ruthless. And in that, that’s a human thing, not a male or a female thing.
ANN: With the Shift, are we moving into more of a female-dominated energy or more of a balance between the both?
ELIAS: More of a female balance, but a female-dominated energy.
ANN: Really! So we’re not gonna be… But we’ll also be using male energy?
ELIAS: Yes.
ANN: But we’ll just be more selective, or more purposeful.
ELIAS: Just as you use or have used a female energy in the past, –
JOHN/RRUSSELL: Extraterrestrials will like us better. (Group laughter)
ANN: Probably. (Elias laughs)
DENISE: Oh my goodness! They cracked him up. (Laughs)
ELIAS: Hopefully. (Laughs) (Group laughter and chatter)
JOHN/RRUSSELL: I said extraterrestrials will like us better.
LYNDA: From your mouth to their ears. (Elias laughs)
ELIAS: If they have them! (Laughs)
LYNDA: Ears, you mean. Right. (Group laughter)
ELIAS: We shall break.
(Break after 1 hour 5 minutes)
ELIAS: Continuing. [To Denise] And you?
DENISE: Okay. I’ve been thinking about this all during break. So you’ve said we just know and we’ve known since we were children.
ELIAS: That doesn’t mean that you defined it. Meaning that you would know, but now that you have information you can look back at your childhood and you can see different expressions, different qualities. You can see how you felt, what you thought, what your perception was…
DENISE: Okay. So, when I found out I was soft, that was a game changer. To me, that explained why I didn’t fit. So now that we’re talking about nonbinary I’m like, “I don’t get it.” I can’t tease it away from me being soft.
ELIAS: And you don’t have to. You don’t have to. And I would say that that’s something that is likely for a lot of you, very…
DENISE: A lot of softs? Or a lot of nonbinaries?
ELIAS: A lot of people.
DENISE: Okay.
ELIAS: That you might not be able to separate the orientation from the gender identity, because your orientation is so much a part of you, but your gender identity is also. But they are and can be very intertwined. I would say that for soft individuals, it would be harder to separate the two. I would say for common individuals, it would be a lot easier for them to separate the two. I would say for intermediate individuals, (pause) unless they are more in the direction of being what you term to be asexual or more androgynous, it might be confusing to them to separate their orientation from the gender identity. But I would agree that with soft individuals that it can be confusing and challenging.
Now I will also say – and once again, this is not a rule, because this nonbinary expression or identity moves through all orientations – but I will say that there does seem to be a higher number in soft individuals than the other two orientations.
DENISE: Okay. [To group] And for the record, Elias has already confirmed I’m nonbinary in a private session.
ELIAS: [Nods at Karen]
KAREN: Well, you know I have… Like a couple of years ago with my studies and training I had to conduct a gender journey, if you will. And I began seeing that in high school… If I had been a high schooler now, I would have totally identified as nonbinary. So that was like when you confirmed I was nonbinary, the pieces started coming together.
ELIAS: Precisely.
KAREN: And throughout the course of my life, I have moved around in my expression. Like sometimes I feel I express more female, sometimes I feel like I express more male, for lack of a better way to describe it. But it’s always sort of shifted. Like there tends to be… Instead of like day by day, which can happen, but it also kind of moves through arcs of time, and it seems like it’s almost an exploration during that time period. Let’s just say several years, I’m more into wearing feminine clothes or into wearing more masculine clothes. Like one of the things – and I don’t know if this is an NB thing, but I remember my mother imposing in my bedroom a lot of frills on my bedclothes and big roses. And I hated it, and when I was 12 or 13 she let me design my own bedroom, so it was like no pink, no roses, it’s going to be green and yellow, and it’s going to be really ‘70s with shag rug carpeting (laughs), and I decided that was the coolest thing. And it’s funny, now that I’ve stopped hating pink, I actually wear a lot of pink, just because I actually like the color. I don’t think of it as a feminine color.
But there was something you had said in Yvonne’s session about not knowing how to flirt. And I was like, “Oh my god! That is…” Like I had to really work at it and study, like read the articles on what is flirting. It’s like you touch someone on the arm, lean in… (Group laughter)
DENISE: I can teach you how to flirt.
KAREN: Baby, I know you can.
ELIAS: That is another definite distinguishable trait that is NOT a trait of the nonbinary individuals that you DO have to learn, and you DO have to explore that direction, because it’s not something that you would naturally know how to do because you’re not naturally drawn to one other gender – other than your own. You may be drawn to that. You may be drawn to the same. You may not be drawn to either. You might be drawn to both. But what you don’t realize is that there is a natural part of your sexuality -- which you know – that promotes that piece of flirting, but you also learn a lot of it. You learn it from example. You learn it simply by watching other people. You learn it by watching programs on your television, or movies. And in that, some individuals find it more difficult to express than others, therefore they may have to research it more.
But most of you, I would say, have an innate piece that doesn’t quite know what to do, and therefore when it comes to that expression you’re somewhat at a disadvantage. And in that, you don’t have an automatic quality of flirting and being flirtatious, and therefore it is something that you have to learn.
KAREN: I will say though, like now that I know that I am NB, I would say that there feels like a little bit more of a settling inside myself, like an “Ah! Okay. This makes total sense.” I can kind of exhale. Because there are aspects of female presentation that I find very stressful. Like okay, like binding my body into certain configurations or like wearing high heels, or like wearing nylons or like doing my hair up. I find it extremely stressful to do that. And it’s not just like… I’m not talking about wearing a comfortable dress; that’s fine. But it’s the uber-presentation stuff, where you have to look like red carpet. I find that, like, crazy stressful. So… And I don’t know. That’s probably part of nonbinary.
ELIAS: It is, but it is by association. It is by the dictates of societies. It’s not something that is an integral part of you. It’s something that is what I was expressing before in relation to being pushed in certain directions to fit certain models and certain ideas of what you should be because “You should be one or the other. You shouldn’t be in the middle.”
KAREN: Right.
ELIAS: And therefore, every society has its model of male and female, and what they term to be or what they perceive to be beautiful, what they perceive to be a feminine energy or a masculine energy. And in that, you’re taught that from the time you are infants – literally infants. Even infants can see and touch and feel and hear. And in that, mothers are dressing infants up in frills from the first moment. And those infants can see those colors, and they can hear the different sounds of those fabrics, and they can feel the different textures of those fabrics, whereas boys as infants are generally dressed in pajamas for quite some time, and that’s acceptable. Therefore, they’re basically simply comfortable in what they are being exposed to and how they’re being presented to the world.
Therefore from infancy you are being taught that as a female-identifying gender – which you only have two choices, until now – but that as a female-identifying gender that from your first foray into this reality you are taught to endure being uncomfortable.
GROUP: Hm. Yeah.
ELIAS: And you do! You learn very quickly. You learn as infants to not struggle with it. If it’s going to be forced on you, you move in that direction. You don’t like it. You have thoughts about it, you have feelings about it, but you don’t necessarily move in a direction of battling with it with other individuals, with adults. You simply succumb to it.
[To Hazra] Your turn.
HAZRA: I’m going to say female and definitely non-competitive. (Group laughter)
ELIAS: Very well. (Laughs) And I would ask you then, how would you define your experience as female? How do you know that that’s what you are?
HAZRA: Oh, that’s a really good question, Elias. (Elias laughs) Well, I mean I’ve never wanted to be a boy or dress or do things or play ball or (laughs) do any… I never wanted to be competitive to begin with, and every sport when I was growing up had to do with competition, so I wouldn’t participate in any of it. I was much happier reading or crafting or just being by myself or on my own. So…
And then how I was brought up in my culture, those things were pushed upon being a girl, as opposed to being a boy [where] you have to be outside playing ball, riding your bike, climbing trees. And also I didn’t yearn to do those things. That’s the other way that I know, is that I didn’t really want to do those things. I didn’t want to defy my parents and say, “Oh no, I really want to climb trees.” So that I think has influenced me to think that I am, and also just being absolutely not interested in any kind of competition. That really did turn me off a lot of things, actually. It actually probably hindered me, getting into other things rather than wanting to do it because I think I could win or I could be first or I could be best of. It wasn’t my interest.
ELIAS: Excellent. Excellent definition.
[To Yvonne] And?
YVONNE: I’m nonbinary, and I guess I’ve always felt sort of like neutral and balanced between masculine and feminine energies, or sometimes I might be feeling more than the other. But even in like how I choose to dress, it’s like very kind of gender neutral. Like I will wear dresses and stuff, but it’s never like a frilly dress. It’s more of a simple dress. That’s…
ELIAS: And what did you feel and think and experience as a child? And when did you recognize that you would be identifying yourself as nonbinary?
YVONNE: Oh, a few months ago.
ELIAS: Ah! Recently.
YVONNE: Yes, in those terms. But I never… I always considered myself as a child more of a tomboy rather than really feminine, and never was interested in makeup when all the other girls as a teenager were getting interested in makeup and stuff like that. But yeah, I do remember as a child rebelling, like when my mother tried to dress me in really frilly clothing I was not having any of it.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) Very well.
[To Eric] And you, my friend?
ERIC: In this focus, male.
ELIAS: Yes.
ERIC: And –
ELIAS: That would be right.
DENISE: Are you sure you’re right about that? (Group laughter)
ERIC: Not a doubt. Not a doubt. Because I was thinking about it, because the… I’m not comfortable being vulnerable in front of other males. If I talk about anything emotional it’s always with females. And then the other thing is the whole provider aspect is very ingrained into who I am. That’s how I show love is by doing, so that’s a huge aspect of my personality.
ELIAS: Not part of your personality; part of what you’ve learned.
ERIC: Right.
ELIAS: Which is different. And I would say that that’s also part of your culture, but that you’ve moved with that part of your culture and with that societal influence. Instead of moving against it or having friction with it, you’ve accepted that as “This is what a male individual does and this is how you behave and this is what direction you move in.” And yes, I would say that all of that is very correct in relation to that male identity.
And in that, as I was expressing earlier, it’s not a matter of conforming to the societal dictates. You automatically move in that direction. You automatically accept it, that this is simply as you said, who you are. You don’t think about it as being influences, because innately you DO move in that direction and you HAVE that identity of thousands and thousands of years of this male energy and this male dominance.
And, that part that you were expressing about you wouldn’t express in certain manners with other male individuals, that’s also a very big piece, because that’s the posturing aspect of male individuals. And you all do it in different capacities, but the base of it is to not look weak in relation to your peers, and you count your peers as other men. And then you can move in the direction of being vulnerable or expressing in an emotional capacity with female individuals because they are, in the perception of the male for the most part, the mothers and the mothering type.
And you all have your ideal of what “mother” is supposed to be. Very few of them actually ARE that, but you have your own ideal and model of what the mother is supposed to be, and therefore you project it onto other female individuals and you feel more comfortable with expressing yourself with them, whereas with males, that doesn’t include that posturing.
ERIC: Yeah. Well, the interesting wrinkle in that is, it was always my dad that I talked to about stuff. I didn’t ever talk to my mom about anything.
ELIAS: Which is also understandable. But you would talk to your wife.
ERIC: Yes.
ELIAS: Instead of –
ERIC: She’s like, “Not always! Not always!” (Group laughter)
ELIAS: But instead of “the boys,” you would be talking to her. That’s what I mean, is that few mothers are actually what the ideal is of a mother. There ARE them, but they are definitely in the minority – or have been in the past. And in that, you create this model of what they’re supposed to be, which is also what creates this model of what feminine energy is supposed to be and what the difference is. And in that, these are simply your own creations of your constructs of what you want something to be, and you use it as your own model and people do it throughout their entire lives. And in that, it still… You are correct, it still is “in your lane.” You’re not deviating from that, and it still holds you in that position. Not that that is restricting you, because that IS your natural expression, and you wouldn’t want to be leaning into another lane. In that, it’s something that you don’t question.
Very well! [To Christine] And you?
CHRISTINE: I would say definitely female. And as far as how I would know that, I would say the ease and the effortlessness of the expression of it. And to what you just said as far as questioning or doubting (laughs), this is one thing I’ve never questioned or doubted in my entire life. (Group laughter)
ELIAS: Excellent. And that is a very good example. The things that you DON’T question, that you’re never thinking to yourself, “Why don’t I fit?”, it doesn’t even occur to you, because it’s so natural and because it’s simply what you do and who you are.
[Elias looks at John/Rrussell]
JOHN/RRUSSELL: Oh, I thought I went already. (Group chatter)
ELIAS: You didn’t share.
ANN: Share! (Group laughter)
JOHN/RRUSSELL: Oh, okay. I’m male. And what else? What am I supposed to say? (Group laughter)
DEBBIE: How do you know you’re male? (Group chatter and laughter)
JOHN/RRUSSELL: I just have never… Well, this is why I thought I went already, because I… Because I’m soft as well, which is interesting, because as soft –
ELIAS: It’s not a rule, as I said.
JOHN/RRUSSELL: It’s not a rule. Right. Yeah, yeah. But I think with soft it’s interesting because there’s a tendency to maybe connect more, or just you’re…. You know, you’re going to be soft, right? Where… whatever. (Group laughter)
ELIAS: Excellent articulation. (Group laughter)
JOHN/RRUSSELL: Oh my god. Like words aren’t like… Yeah. (Group laughter and chatter) I mean, so I just have always… But I’ve never… Like even maybe certain expressions or like… That’s what I was talking about, like where the Millennials and the younger generations, the guy-type behaviors tend to be a little more broad than maybe they were in my dad’s generation, right? That Silent Generation or whatever. But still, at the end of the day I never really had a lot of… I liked roughhousing and climbing trees and running and cars. It’s interesting too, because I had friends who were girls who lived nearby, and I engaged with them in certain things that were more like climbing trees and being out. And then when they were all playing dolls and stuff, I’m like, “Yeah, I’m going to go somewhere.”
ANN: But when they played doctor! (Group laughter)
JOHN/RRUSSELL: We’re doing it together! (Group laughter) Yeah. Oh yeah. (Group laughter) I’ll tell you what else is funny: Even at those young ages – and they said the same thing to me, where it’s just like there was a recognition of a certain type of attraction even at that young age. Yeah. Yeah.
ELIAS: Very well.
JOHN/RRUSSELL: Yeah. That’s what I would say.
ELIAS: Excellent!
JOHN/RRUSSELL: Yeah.
ELIAS: [To Ann] And?
ANN: Well, I’ve always thought of myself as a female, never questioned it. But I do have to say it’s interesting, now I’m wondering if this is a feminine thing or not, but when this whole thing came up about flirting, because I love to flirt, but to me it’s more of a connecting energy in a light and frilly way. You know, that doesn’t put too much pressure on anybody. So I have a question. Is that a feminine energy? Flirting? [Elias indicates no] Connecting! That’s what I meant.
ELIAS: No.
ANN: Connecting. Is that – connecting – a feminine energy? Like I feel like women are the connectors of the family.
JOHN/RRUSSELL: He said no.
ANN: What?
ELIAS: Connecting is not something that is a feminine energy.
ANN: Well what…? There’s something in there. Help me find it.
JOHN/RRUSSELL: Can I say something?
ANN: You’re interrupting my… (Playfully) You’re stealing my thunder. No, go ahead. Say it.
JOHN/RRUSSELL: Well, I was just going to say, because you know this. This is maybe why you’re thinking that. [To Elias] Because you told me that the feminine action – maybe that’s the thing – tends to be more connecting, like, and the males are more… Then you gave me the analogy of a car, where women like cars because they get you to connect with the people you want to connect with, where for guys it’s just like this hunk of metal.
ANN: How it works.
JOHN/RRUSSELL: Yeah. The mechanics. So there! (Laughs)
ANN: If you would elaborate on where I’m going with this, I would appreciate it.
ELIAS: Very well.
DENISE: She patiently waited until her turn, too.
ANN: I did!
ELIAS: Very well. I would say that there are different modalities of connecting between males and females. That yes, female individuals and that female energy does tend to seek to be connecting with others, and through that evaluation and that natural expression of yours with others, that’s partially with female individuals biological, because you are meant to procreate. Therefore, there is a part of that that’s biological - but it’s not all. And I would say that in relation to what you were expressing as flirting, as being light and airy and connecting, that’s the point. It’s a very specific expression. It’s not just connecting; it’s connecting in a very specific manner. It’s connecting with a sexual energy.
ANN: [To John/Lonn] I don’t flirt with everybody. (Group laughter) Just you, honey, just you! (Group laughter)
JOHN/LONN: [To Ann] I’m always watching you. (Group laughter)
ANN: Well, actually that’s interesting, the sexual energy, because I find myself… I mean, I would label myself as completely heterosexual, but I can have fun flirting with men AND women. And I have no sexual interest in a woman, but I enjoy flirting with them.
ELIAS: But that energy IS, that flirtatious energy, is sexual.
ANN: Well then, can you define –
ELIAS: That doesn’t mean –
ANN: Can you define sexual energy for me?
ELIAS: That doesn’t mean that you want to have sex with them.
ANN: Okay. So what IS sexual energy? I hate to ask such an obvious question, but apparently I need to.
ELIAS: It may not be an obvious question to everyone.
ANN: Apparently not to me.
ELIAS: Sexual energy comes from your body, not your mind. Your mind is you. It’s not your brain, but your mind. And the sexual energy that you express, that’s something that is expressed by your body, very similar to feelings. Feelings are all generated by your body, regardless of what type of feelings they are. And therefore when you choose a particular gender, your body responds to that in relation to how it expresses sexual energy. This is the reason that a lot of nonbinary individuals can be confused, or that it can take time for them to come into themself and to know themself and to know their sexual energy and what it is and what they prefer, what they enjoy, what is empowering to them.
With male and female, you don’t have as much of that. One of the reasons is that you have been living in a male-dominated world for eons. And in that, a lot of the male sexual energy is very physical and is driven by physical expression and [inaudible]. And it’s easy for them to derive physical pleasure in relation to sexual activity.
This is the piece that people become confused about, is that when I’m speaking about sexual energy, I’m not talking about sex or sexual activities. Your energy is, in a sexual manner, designed to attract. It’s not necessarily connecting. That’s not the most accurate word for that. But it is designed to be attracting, and that is more than simply an action that you do or a behavior that you express, because when you’re doing that, your body is also responding and generating pheromones, which are also involved in attracting.
And in that, women do this much more than men. That is partially biological, to attract a mate, but it’s more so driven by society, for different reasons. One is that male individuals are more aggressive, and therefore throughout your history they have moved in the direction of dominance. And this is also the reason that they move in a direction of conquering. In that, there tends to be, in your world, for the most part, considerable amounts of time in which male individuals are in shorter supply than female individuals. And therefore, the female individuals are more inclined to be expressing that attraction through flirting – attracting the male individuals.
Now, what is an interesting point in this is that in what you view to be nature, it’s the opposite. In nature, the males are the ones that are attracting the females.
VERONICA: More colorful birds.
ELIAS: Most definitely. Yes. And in that, they have different types of adornments that distinguish them as a good catch. But in that, generally speaking – there are exceptions, but many, many species in what you identify as nature, once that procreation is in play, the females are not necessarily engaged with the males any longer. Therefore, it’s the opposite. There are more males than there are females, and the males are the ones that are adorning themselves, such as you do with clothing and accessories and makeup. And in that, you’re attempting to attract the attention in a flattering capacity. The female individuals automatically know, to a degree, how to attract the attention of the male individuals. And what they don’t know generally within themselves, they learn quickly. Female individuals learn how to be flirty before they are 3.
ANN: Wow! But it’s kind of fun. (Group laughter)
ELIAS: But it’s designed to be fun! (Chuckles)
[To John/Lonn] And?
JOHN/LONN: Well, the big reveal: I’m male. (Group laughter) Actually…
ELIAS: You have my condolences. (Group laughter)
JOHN/LONN: I don’t flirt, and –
ANN: That’s bullshit. (Group laughter) I call bullshit!
JOHN/LONN: No, but I… The answer to your question is I’ve never had a problem with it. But the other part of the question is like, you know, how do I know what I… what does it mean to be a male? I feel like that’s all taught. I learned not to be emotional, can’t cry, you can’t be insecure, and I got very good at that. And then in real life it didn’t help that much, but in work it works phenomenally. You don’t… Whatever it is, shitty assignments or things that go really bad or whatever, you know, and you’re just unflappable. (Laughs) But I don’t know really.
And most of the teaching, but not all of it, was from other guys. [Elias nods] And usually my peers or something, or maybe slightly older or whatever, maybe my dad, I don’t know. But you know, you just need to be stoic. (Laughs) I know at some point I was so good at it that people I’d really get to know, they’d say “Well, I don’t even know you.” I just pretend nothing hurts me. And it’s not like nothing does, but I’m just so used to it. If someone just happens to connect with something that really I feel bad about, I just do whatever I can to not let them know. I try to not do that now, but it’s just I’ve been doing it forever.
MARK: Habitual.
JOHN/LONN: Yeah.
ELIAS: That is an unfortunate part of the influence of society with male individuals, that they have a tendency to lose touch with some aspects of themselves. And by the time they recognize that, in certain generations, it’s daunting to move in a new direction if that is not what you have been taught and is not what your experience is throughout your life.
This is also a very important reason that it is brought to the surface and that you DO look at it from the perspective of who you are, and seeing that from a whole perspective, not only what you’ve been taught and what you’ve learned through the years, because those of you who are not having children have grandchildren, or most of you will. And in that, now it is a matter of being an example to them to not move in the direction that YOU’VE been taught to move in your entire life, because you’re shifting, and because the energy is shifting. And with that shift into the feminine energy, this model won’t hold up in the future. It will not be accepted in the future.
Therefore, it’s important for you and it’s important for those around you and those that you have contact with and influence with in small ones to move them in a direction of being more themselves and not simply being what they’re told to be.
MARK: Can I ask a question?
ELIAS: Yes.
MARK: In regard to John’s statement about the stoic, how does not asking for help play into that?
ELIAS: Very much so.
MARK: Like I mean…
ELIAS: Not asking for help is, and not receiving –
MARK: It’s kind of ingrained in the male energy, you know.
ELIAS: Yes, because –
MARK: Because you do what you do, plow through, that stoic…
DENISE: Suck it up.
MORGONN: Women have been stuck in cars with men for many hours because of never asking for directions. (Group laughter)
MARK: Not what I was talking about.
JOHN/LONN: That’s different. (Group laughter and chatter)
ELIAS: This is definitely another part of it, and in relation to that it’s (pause) a matter of recognizing that the stoic aspect is –
MARK: There’s a lot more to that.
ELIAS: There is, but it, in its basic form, is to express that persona of being strong.
MARK: Absolutely.
ELIAS: And unmovable.
MARK: That’s right.
ELIAS: Therefore in that, I would also say that it is an expression of presenting strength and solidity, that the females can depend on you. And if you are presenting a stoic persona, it’s not changeable. It’s the same – which, sameness expresses predictability, which is safe.
MARK: Safety all day long.
ELIAS: Yes. And the male individual is taught to provide that expression of consistency and not changing and therefore being safe. AND it’s reinforced with other male individuals, because male individuals tend to move similar to herds, and female individuals tend to move similar to flocks.
VERONICA: What’s the difference between a flock and a herd?
KAREN: Less dust. (Group laughter)
ELIAS: In the herd, the males of the herd are always protecting. They’re always guiding, they’re always leading, and they’re always protecting. In a flock, there are males AND females and they’re all together, and they’re all moving together. And they generally move together in a very similar manner. It’s almost like a hive mind – that that would be part of your connecting piece, but in a flock there are both males and females; there are not only females. But in that, it’s much easier for the females to move in that direction, and in relation to flocks, the males aren’t protecting the group. They may protect their individual mate, but they’re not protecting all of it. They’re only protecting what is designated as theirs. In this, the attitude, let us say, of a flock is very different from the attitude of a herd.
ERIC: Now the stoicism, could that also be with political? Because I know –
ELIAS: Oh, definitely.
ERIC: I’m the one political in the house. Everyone else is emotional. So when people are expressing emotions, I get very irritated because I don’t know what to do with it because I don’t understand it.
ELIAS: That’s mostly learned. I would say that a political focus is less emotionally expressive than an emotionally focused individual, because you are also including that piece of environment and what is happening around you. But in that, you’re also closer in expression to a thought-focused individual, and thought-focused individuals have more difficulty with emotional expressions. They don’t express them very much themselves – not that they don’t express them at all; they do. But they don’t express them as much, and therefore when they are engaging with someone who is expressing emotionally, it can be confusing and it can definitely be uncomfortable. It’s something that you have to learn to accept and learn to be comfortable with. You have to move through your own process of learning how to be comfortable in a situation that appears to be uncomfortable, when someone else is uncomfortable. Therefore that’s something that you would have to practice at. But it’s not necessarily a matter of your orientation.
MARK: What did you mean when you said it’s not going to work in the Shift to be stoic and [inaudible]?
ELIAS: I didn’t say that.
MARK: Okay. What did you say?
ELIAS: I expressed that the model of the male which INCLUDES that stoicism won’t work in the future.
MARK: Okay. Elaborate on that statement. Why won’t it work?
ELIAS: Because it’s not genuine.
MARK: Okay. That’s a good answer. A perfect answer.
ANN: So we’re going to be more genuine in the Shift?
ELIAS: Oh definitely.
ANN: Ahhh! I love it! (Group laughter)
MARK: You’re saying that eons of conditioned behaviors and those learned behaviors are going to fade away?
ELIAS: They’re going to change. They’re going to change. But it’s going to take time. At this point now, you’re in the throes of chaos, and –
ANN: Really! We hadn’t noticed. (Group laughter)
MARK: Are we going to see this?
ELIAS: You’re already seeing parts of it.
MARK: No, I mean like… You know what I mean.
ANN: Okay, Mark. Remember we have three more people that we have to get to before this ends. (Group laughter and chatter)
KAREN: Let’s move it down the line.
MARK: All right. I’m out of here.
ELIAS: [To Veronica] You?
VERONICA: I think I am female.
ELIAS: Yes.
VERONICA: Except sexuality has been a very difficult thing to handle. I was an only girl, three younger brothers, and also delegated by my mother to take care of my brothers. I was out on the street playing ball, in the schoolyard, very athletic, and prided myself on being able to function and be a good athlete, but I was also an artist.
When I began to develop breasts, I was ashamed, and I would wear a certain blue shirt that had pockets so that my body change wouldn’t be seen. Now why I was ashamed I don’t know, because my friends were wearing bras and they were pushing cotton in it, you know, to protrude, and not me. I’m like, I didn’t want to do that. Now, my mother never spoke about it. You know, today parents make a big thing over the trainer bra, like I have to train the breasts (group laughter).
JOHN/LONN: They’re slow learners. (Group laughter)
VERONICA: I didn’t have ANY of that, but I know I was a female because I always attracted boys. I didn’t flirt with them, but the physical activities attracted them. So I learned to be competitive. And when I was dissatisfied in my marriage, I became very competitive with my husband. I was aware of that. And it was only when I was going back to school and developing more confidence in myself that I stopped the competition. I didn’t feel competition because I was coming into my own, and I thought I didn’t really need him to bolster me or to help me in any way.
I always had male companions. In fact at times we didn’t know anything. Wherever I went, there were always men who, you know, wanted to date. They would want to have an affair (Elias chuckles), and all kinds of stories.
But since I had my stroke, I don’t feel… Oh! And when I was a runner, I was an excellent runner and I ran regularly. But I was so in shape that I would feel an orgasm in different parts of my body. It was beautiful. In my thighs, in my knees, in my calves. And I would tell this to people, and they couldn’t believe it. I thought it was universal. (Elias chuckles)
So I believe that we do have that sexual energy that’s generated within the body. But now, since my stroke, my balance is off, but my brain is different and some things are missing. Like all my knowledge, your transcripts, the Seth books, transcripts with Lawrence, they’re all gone. And I find it very difficult to settle down to even meditate – though I did read. I finished reading “The Fourth Wing,” and I loved it. But when you recommended it to me, I couldn’t concentrate on reading.
So I don’t know if what’s happening to me is because of my age, like I feel nonsexual. Will that sexual feeling or that desire ever return?
ELIAS: Do you want it to?
VERONICA: (Pause) I don’t know, because I don’t know who’s out there or how I’m going to meet him, or multiple hims.
ELIAS: But you don’t have to know.
VERONICA: We don’t have to know.
ELIAS: All you have to know is what YOU want.
VERONICA: Right. But it’s not coming forth now. It’s like I’m walking around in a bubble. It’s so different, like I’m just following the crowd. And I really miss that excitement of all the things that I used to do. Everything seems so commonplace now.
ELIAS: (Leaning forward and maintaining eye contact with Veronica) Then start it anew. (Pause)
Everything is what you make it, literally, because everything is about your perception and what you pay attention to. Therefore if you’re paying attention to being unhappy and living in a bubble and losing everything and missing everything, that’s what you’re going to experience.
VERONICA: But it happened just at the time when I had the stroke. Like, –
ELIAS: I understand.
VERONICA: When I first felt it.
ELIAS: But now it’s a matter of what will you make of it, what will you do with it? You have an endless vista in front of you to do whatever you choose with it, because you’ve moved away the old, and now you can move into everything new.
VERONICA: But there’s so many years spent with the other.
ELIAS: It doesn’t matter. It only matters that you make that important, and then you miss it. And then you waste the time that you have now and the direction that you have now.
VERONICA: (Quietly) Mm. That’s encouraging. Is there a situation where I could retrieve all the other stuff, what was knowledge?
ELIAS: You could. I would encourage you otherwise, because all you’re doing is focusing behind you instead of focusing now and what’s in front of you. And you miss whatever’s in front of you because you’re too busy looking behind you.
VERONICA: Gotcha. Thank you.
ELIAS: You are very welcome.
[To Bonnie] And my dear friend?
BONNIE: Female. As a child, I observed my mother, would be happy to do what my mother was doing, playing dolls, but I also didn’t like that that’s all she had. And your description of how I had to learn male behaviors to achieve in a male world, that was fun, Elias. That was really fun, tricking those guys and beating them at their own game. (Group laughter) That’s a fun female game. (Group laughter)
ELIAS: I would agree, because there are countless examples of it. And I would say that most of the female individuals that play that game and that excel at it are glad that they are and are proud of themselves and are definitely in a direction of wanting to share that and wanting to show it, and not hide it. I would say that that’s being played out in your political arena right now, in your present time.
And in that, the end product is something that you’re proud of and that you look upon fondly and that you have a good perception of. But sometimes in the process, it’s not so glorious. Sometimes in the process you’re using the tactics and the strategies of the male individuals and you’re forcing yourself to fight harder. And they’re not actually fighting that hard. They do fight to a degree amongst themselves, amongst each other. They have that competition that’s happening within their own group, and then there are those of you that have to fight harder to push into that group.
BONNIE: And we helped each other.
ELIAS: Yes.
BONNIE: The women.
ELIAS: Yes. Yes. But that’s also a part of the flock, that bonding together, and in that, moving in a similar direction. It doesn’t always mean cooperation, but there is a tendency for female individuals to move in that direction of creating a singularity of direction and a solidarity with each other.
BONNIE: Very true.
ANN: I don’t like that when it’s against men, though.
ELIAS: That has become a very strong expression that was propagated through your last century. It began in the century before, and then it was very strongly expressed in the last century, because the female individuals grew into a perception that they had to be “fighting against” – not individual males, although it did eventually come to that , but that they perceived males en masse as a machine, and that they were fighting against this machine. And from doing that for a century, it also moved them in the direction of taking it a step further, into being oppositional to individual males, and once again, that has created some significant consequences.
[To Morgonn] Yes?
MORGONN: A quick question. I’m thinking about competition between men and with men, and with men growing up being competitive there’s a sort of comradery in their competition.
ELIAS: There definitely is.
MORGONN: But with women, there isn’t that comradery. It becomes highly individualistic and quite vicious. I find it really interesting. I mean, I’ve always shied away competing with women because I don’t want to engage in that kind of game; I’d rather compete with men because there’s a comradery to it. But sometimes we’re put in positions where suddenly you are in competition with another woman, and I’ve always been flummoxed at how to respond to this. I could dive in; sure, I could play your game, but I’d turn into somebody I don’t really want to turn into. I don’t call that challenge as much now as I’m older, but younger for sure.
ELIAS: And I think that also this is a very excellent segue into genuinely thinking about it and deciding who you want to be, and then practicing being that in every different capacity, and genuinely thinking about that every day, about who you genuinely want to be – that day and moving forward. And once again, it’s also an excellent expression of an example in relation to how you influence younger individuals and how you support them in becoming themselves instead of becoming what society expresses they should be.
MORGONN: Or what I had to become in order to survive.
ELIAS: Yes. Yes. And being more encouraging and supportive – which, I would say all of you have that capacity to be; it’s simply a matter of whether you actually do it. And the ironic piece of this is that while all of you are sitting here with myself and we are having these conversations, you’re very attentive, you’re very interactive, and you’re very positive. And once you leave that door, you forget about it, and you don’t do it.
MORGONN: It’s harder because you’re up against more resistance.
ELIAS: But it’s a matter of who do you want to be.
ANN: You have to keep reminding yourself, over and over.
ELIAS: Yes, you do, because that’s not something you’ve been taught. And, it’s also a matter of determination [of] IN who you want to be, how important is that to you? And how important is it to you to BE expressing as an example because you are in a position to do so. You CAN be, because of all of your life experiences.
And in that, I would say I know that many people express irritation that Elias repeats himself so frequently and that they’re simply words. They ARE words until you implement them, and the reason that I repeat them so frequently is because you forget them so frequently.
ANN: Well, that’s true.
ELIAS: [To Lynda] And you?
LYNDA: I’m a female, and I have been probably from the jump in my awareness. I loved playing with dolls, I had a yellow tutu and I loved my ballet lessons, and I was just a regular girl. And I grew up with some regular girl constructs that never did serve me very well. I thought I was supposed to get married, and I thought the man was supposed to take care of me, and the idea of taking care of myself was almost unconscionable. And that, that took… Just now, I’m just now free of that. Maybe in the last season of time, I don’t know, but I’m just now free of the idea that I need to have a man with a house and money. But there’s experiences I just don’t have because of that. I never wanted to have children. I never felt bad about not wanting kids. But I always knew I was a female; I just turned that to how I connect with people, I think, in a way – not BECAUSE I’m a female but because I needed to channel that connecting energy, I think. But yeah, I’m just your basic growing and expanding female, Elias, (Elias chuckles) and pretty proud of it.
ELIAS: Very well. (Chuckles)
And now for a brief moment, I will open to questions. [To Denise] Yes?
DENISE: You recently said that our country is still quite threatened by having a female in charge. How threatening would a nonbinary person be?
ELIAS: Very. (Group laughter)
DENISE: Have we had a nonbinary president at any time? (Pause)
JOHN/RRUSSELL: I think so.
LYNDA: Yeah, I think so too. The guy that had his sister run…
ANN: Oh, Roosevelt? [Elias shakes his head.]
LYNDA: No, Hoover? Not Hoover.
KAREN: Kennedy?
JOHN/LONN: I would say FDR.
KAREN: Kennedy with a lobotomy, you mean?
ELIAS: No.
ANN: Well, FDR had his sister run everything, didn’t he?
ELIAS: No.
ANN: Oh. Somebody did. (Group chatter)
ELIAS: I would say yes. There have been not many, but a few. And I would say that Taft would be – (Group chatter) your most recent. But there have been precious few other.
[To John/Rrussell] Yes?
JOHN/RRUSSELL: This is an associated thing. I think in a lot of these discussions there’s a variable that comes up – not in these discussions but generally in society. It’s like this idea of polyamory, that people talk about versus not, and some people will contend that everybody is polyamorous to some degree, or it’s more of a binary: some people are, some people aren’t. What would you say to all that? With respect to that topic.
ELIAS: I’d say it’s all individual preference.
ANN: This is Shift-related at all? Are we moving more or less into it, with the Shift?
ELIAS: Yes, because you’re moving more into your genuine selves and moving more into self-awareness, therefore yes. It’s not that all of these things haven’t been in your reality; it’s simply that you’re paying attention to them now, and you’re exploring them now, and you’re expressing them now.
[To Yvonne] Yes?
YVONNE: So, for competitiveness for nonbinary individuals, they maybe like have a little bit of that but not as much as like a male individual, for example? Or how would that work?
ELIAS: That wouldn’t necessarily have to do with whether you are nonbinary or not. That would more have to do with what you’ve observed, what you’ve learned and what you have taken in and accepted as expressions that are successful for you, and what is comfortable for you and what isn’t. Therefore what degree of that competitiveness is acceptable to you and comfortable to you, and what degree isn’t.
YVONNE: So it’s more of an individual basis for nonbinaries.
ELIAS: Yes. Yes.
KAREN: And is that something that can change over time? Because I’m finding myself just really not wanting to be competitive, like it doesn’t feel comfortable. And I can make decisions to move into non-competitiveness, yes?
ELIAS: Absolutely. And I would say that the more you move into this Shift, the more self-aware you become regardless of your gender association. It doesn’t matter. That piece is part of the old dynamic of your species, and you’re moving into a new dynamic, and therefore that definitely WILL change. And in that, that doesn’t mean that you won’t ever have some expression of competitiveness, but whatever it is will be more in fun and not serious.
[To Oliver] Yes?
OLIVER: Can you speak a little bit and tie in the timing of you speaking about the topic and the group that we are here, the energy that is and the larger energy globally right now that makes you speak about this right now? So make visible a little bit the interconnections that lead to your choice of speaking about this to us right now?
ELIAS: In relation to the group here, it was a relevant subject not only from an interest point of view but also from the diversity of the people. It’s not dominated by nonbinary people. There’s a very good expression of equality, in a manner of speaking, that it is spread between you. Which was excellent to demonstrate all three gender associations and being able to see the differences or have them explained and to have a better understanding of yourselves and of each other.
As for the world, this has become, and is continuing to become, a more and more significant subject, because people are moving in the direction of being more individually aware and moving more in individual directions.
And I would say that you are also presently in a climate of an election in the leading country in the world. All the other countries in your world look to this particular country as a signpost, and they look to this country as an example – not that they necessarily should (group laughter), but they do. They do because it’s a powerful country and it’s demonstrated that power in manners that no other country in your history has. And therefore, there is a combination of awe and fear in association to how people in other countries view the country of the United States. And the country of the United States is in – I won’t say a political arena presently, because they’re not – but they ARE in an election year. And in this election year, as the world watches what is happening in this powerful country, it’s (chuckles) also watching this display of tremendous competition being displayed by male AND female. They’re both moving in the same direction.
And, this was an important subject to begin now, because it encourages people to be reminded how important they are individually and how important their choices are, and that governments have deviated from their ideals, and that because they have – this is another aspect, if you will, of this Shift – that the governments had most of the power previously, but the power is moving to the individuals because they don’t necessarily trust the expression of the governments any longer because they HAVE deviated so far from their original intention. And that may influence some people to rally and want to restore that ideal. For I would say most people it’s moving in the opposite direction, in which people are not as interested in restoring the power to the governments but are more interested in taking the power for themselves. Which, that’s what I have been expressing from the onset of this forum, that that’s the direction that you’ve been moving in, and you can see it more and more and more now because you’re DOING it more. And you’re doing it more because you’re more aware.
ANN: What would you say is the most shifted country in the world right now?
ELIAS: (Pause) The most shifted country at this point, I would say (pause) would be Bolivia.
ANN: Really! (Group chatter) Okay. Interesting. And why?
ELIAS: Because the amount that the people pay attention to the government in that country is almost nil. And because they are definitely in the direction of – for the most part; there are exceptions – but for the most part, they’re in the direction of themselves as individuals and what is important to them and what is important to them in relation to their kin and their tribe.
ANN: Mm. I like it.
JOHN/RUSSELL: The science wave is over, right?
ELIAS: Not yet. (Group laughter)
DENISE: You tried to sneak that one in, didn’t ya?
MORGONN: Just because of our talk about binary/nonbinary, now I’m sort of confused about who I am in that respect. I finally figured out how to adapt to being female, but now I’m sort of wondering that I’m more binary with a strong adaptation to defining myself as female. And so, what would be your viewpoint on that?
ELIAS: I would agree. Nonbinary, not binary.
MORGONN: Yeah. I meant nonbinary. Sorry.
ELIAS: And in that naturally, yes, I would agree. And I would express that because of the influences in your life that you do lean in that direction with a strong proclivity to female, but that doesn’t mean that you are.
MORGONN: Okay. Thank you very much.
ERIC: A question about the loss of power: Is that the perceived threat that nonbinary presents? Because I don’t understand the hostility. Like, why somebody being nonbinary would be –
ELIAS: Anything that’s different creates threat to many, many, many people. And in that, you have a tremendous example of that presently in your two wars. But beyond that also, your world is riddled with it presently. And it’s something that is new that’s being presented. Most people that aren’t nonbinary, or are not identifying in that direction because they don’t have enough information, don’t know what it is. And because they don’t know what it is and they can’t define it, and they’re not asking questions, that presents a threat. They don’t know what it is, therefore it’s threatening. And if they can’t understand it, then it must not be good.
And in that, this is the reason also that I am so advocating and encouraging all of you to ask questions – (slowly and deliberately) not only to myself. Ask questions of each other. When you don’t understand something, ask questions. If you’re speculating about something or you’re confused about something with another individual, ASK them. Don’t be afraid to communicate. You so frequently remain silent. And in remaining silent, you hold energy, and then you speculate about what the other person is doing or what direction something is moving in.
People do it incredibly frequently with their jobs. They make all types of speculations and wonderings and questions, and do they ask those questions to their coworkers or their bosses? No! They simply speculate. And what do they do? They create stress for themselves and anxiety and physical manifestations – and it would be so easy to simply ask the question, “Is my job in jeopardy?
LYNDA: So true.
ELIAS: Or “I see a lot of people leaving our company. Is there something wrong?”
LYNDA: Exactly.
ELIAS: Or “Am I doing a good enough job? Is my performance acceptable?” or simply “Do you like me?” or “Do you not like me?”
CHRISTINE: Mm-hm. That’s being vulnerable.
ELIAS: It IS being vulnerable, but it’s also empowering yourself, because it’s moving in the direction of more information, and you being the one to gather it. Not speculating, not moving in the direction of waiting, but actually being proactive and expressing yourselves genuinely… and trusting yourselves! Not being afraid of yourself. It’s not being afraid of the answer that you’re going to receive; you’re afraid of what you’re going to DO with that answer and what direction will you move in? Therefore, it’s a matter of trusting yourselves that you will KNOW what to do with answer once you give it to yourself. Therefore don’t be afraid of yourselves.
[To Veronica] Yes?
VERONICA: I can’t go home without a better understanding of which political party is better for the people.
ELIAS: Neither. (Group chatter)
VERONICA: I know they’re not… I know that. But we’re changing. It’s an election year. It’s gonna be one of the two people. Neither one is really changing direction. The wars are continuing, the ammunition is still being shipped, everything’s continuing. But of the two, under which one will the power of the people be restored?
ELIAS: Neither.
VERONICA: Neither.
ELIAS: The power of the people will be restored when the people —
ANN: When we take it the power.
ELIAS: Yes. When the people express it.
MELISSA: I have a question. With this conversation today, how much is it rippling out towards the ending of war?
ELIAS: It’s affecting.
MELISSA: Okay. Okay.
ELIAS: It’s (pause) affecting in a dent.
MELISSA: All right.
LYNDA: You could say a spit in the ocean.
ELIAS: There’s –
ANN: Maybe a bucket in the ocean.
ELIAS: There is a LOT of energy happening globally – not in one country or five countries, but throughout your entire world. And… (speaking softly) and everyone thinks they’re right.
ANN: All that masculine energy. Just stop and contemplate this! (Group laughter)
JOHN/RUSSELL: World War III is coming.
GROUP: No, it’s not.
ANN: I know you want it, but it’s not. (Group chatter)
PHIL: Would you say that the BRICS conference that happened this week was a positive move in global geopolitics?
ELIAS: Yes.
PHIL: Yeah.
ELIAS: Yes.
PHIL: Because it was a bringing together of what were many other countries.
ELIAS: Yes. It’s a start.
PHIL: Okay.
MELISSA: Am I likely going to have to sidestep? If I want to avoid World War III, is it likely at all this year?
ELIAS: I would say that World War III is not on the agenda at this point.
MELISSA: Oh.
ANN: Oh good!
MELISSA: Okay.
LYNDA: You’ve always said that. (Group chatter)
ELIAS: Therefore, you can do what you choose to do. (Chuckles)
Very well, my friends.
VERONICA: Any comments on the weather before we go? (Group laughter) It’s gorgeous outside.
ELIAS: If you were happy with it, then that’s wonderful.
VERONICA: Our people were talking about a drought for my area.
ELIAS: That will be what you make it.
VERONICA: What can I do? I mean, I’m trying, you know, in my own way.
ELIAS: Excellent.
VERONICA: Contemplation and not using water unnecessarily.
ELIAS: Excellent.
VERONICA: But I’m one person.
ELIAS: And one person can make all the difference, whether you believe that or not. You have examples of it throughout your history. One person can make an incredible difference – in anything.
Very well, my friends. I shall be looking forward to our next group interaction. This was lovely, and I appreciate each and every one of you tremendously.
GROUP: Thank you, Elias. Love you too! Love you, Elias.
ELIAS: In excellent and exquisite friendship and dear, adoring love and affection to each of you, au revoir.
GROUP: Au revoir, Elias.
(Elias departs after 1 hour 37 minutes. Total session time was 2 hours 42 minutes)
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