Stepping into a Different Reality
Topics:
“Stepping into a Different Reality”
“Opening to Different Energies”
“It Exists When You Create It”
“A Matter of Personal Choice”
“Not Disconnecting with Elias”
Tuesday, October 22, 2024 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Nuno (Lystell)
ELIAS: Good morning!
NUNO: Greetings, my friend.
ELIAS: And what shall we discuss?
NUNO: Ah. Well, I’ve decided that I want to move my focus to another reality. And I’ve given this considerable thought and I’m very dedicated to that. I definitely want to do that. Considering the state of the world and the state of my private life, I’d say that this is a good time, maybe even a little bit overdue. And have you got anything to say about that?
ELIAS: I would say that if that’s what you want to do, then I would encourage you to do so. I will say that it can be somewhat challenging, but I would also say that you would be an individual that would be up for that type of challenge.
NUNO: Challenging how? In terms of actually getting there? Or other aspects of that?
ELIAS: Actualizing it and stepping into another reality and also preparing for that by opening yourself to different energies. You as essence encompass every energy in every dimension, but it’s a matter of accessing that. Because you’re, in a manner of speaking, geared to the energy in this reality. Therefore the first part is to be opening yourself to other energies that are associated with other realities.
Are you choosing to step into a probable reality or another dimensional reality? Which a probable reality IS an other-dimensional, but in the terminology that we use I would say I’m asking about other dimensions that you might be interested in moving into, or if you’re simply moving into a probable reality.
NUNO: That actually was something I wanted to discuss with you. And it’s not a probable reality, another probable reality of the present. No. What I want, what I’ve been actually attempting – and I think I even got close at one point, we can discuss this later – is I’m imagining a future probable reality of this world. I’m not sure exactly the date. I think, it’s my impression, maybe somewhere in the twenty-third century. I’m not really sure, but that’s what I’ve been focusing on, is a world that is a future world of this one.
ELIAS: (Inaudible) but a probable reality. Therefore you would be choosing to be creating a future probable reality that fits your design. Correct?
NUNO: Yes. I have certain wants that… You are, of course, you’re very aware of what my importances are presently—
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: — and my Plan B and all of that. So I see this as a way to satisfy those, if you understand what I’m saying.
ELIAS: Yes. Yes. I do. Very well. The first piece then would be to somewhat be designing that probable reality.
Now; what I mean by that is, remember: probable realities are created by life change choices. Changing direction in your life. Therefore that would be the beginning, is to think of and design a life change that you can implement and then that will be your doorway. Do you understand?
NUNO: Somewhat. Give me an example of a life change.
ELIAS: Life changes happen in relation to going to school when you’re small, and then getting married, or engaging some other type of relationship, or having children, or choosing a profession or choosing a different profession. Anything that makes a significant change in your life. That your life is moving in a certain direction and by making certain choices, you turn it and you move in different direction.
Therefore it is a matter of first thinking of or designing a life change that you’re not going to actualize in this reality, which then that creates your doorway into the other reality.
NUNO: Yes. I have exactly that.
ELIAS: Very well. That’s excellent. Then it’s a matter of opening yourself to alter the energy. Because even within your own dimension so to speak, when you step into a probable reality the energy is different. It’s not the same as yours, because you’re stepping into a different reality even though it resembles your reality. It might even resemble it almost identically, but it’s still different. Therefore it’s a matter of preparing your physical self to change that energy, to be open to the change in the energy and therefore it won’t bother you or affect you.
Then the next step would be to begin practicing projecting. Because if you project to the time and place that you want to be engaging, you’re not stepping into the future. You’re stepping into a probable future. Therefore it’s a matter of projecting to the future, to your future, but then being aware that you’re going to be stepping sideways into a probable reality. Because that’s what you’re going to be creating. It doesn’t already exist. It exists when you create it.
NUNO: We had a discussion back in 2018 when I asked you a question about imagination and you described it at that time. My question was really not so much to do with this, but you did go on to this topic of stepping into another reality through imagination. And my impression was that, that you have said that imagination, that if you can imagine something, it’s because it already exists.
ELIAS: You can use imagination also to do this.
NUNO: Let me just clarify here. That’s what I’ve been doing. I’ve been using imagination. But is there different approaches to this? I’m thinking maybe—
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: Repeat?
ELIAS: Yes. Because you’re using one approach and using your imagination, but what I was describing to you is a different approach.
NUNO: I see. Okay. And which approach would be simpler for me?
ELIAS: (Inaudible) imagine.
NUNO: Imagination? Did you…? Is that what you…?
ELIAS: Yes. Yes.
Now; what I would say though is that you still have to prepare.
NUNO: Yes, and I’m not clear on that. Can you expand on that please?
ELIAS: The preparation, I would say, partially, partially, would be similar to what you were doing in your essence exercises. Opening yourself to more energy.
But this would be opening yourself to different energy. And when I say different energy, it’s simply an energy you’re not accustomed to. You’re accustomed to your world as it is now, and that has a certain energy to it. Therefore the first piece is to become familiar with what the energy of your time and your space arrangement is, and then to be open to a different energy of a different time and space arrangement.
Which is created by the masses. Your time and your space arrangement has a certain energy to it in relation to the masses that occupy this space arrangement and time. Depending upon what time and space arrangement you are planning on going to, its energy will be different. And it’s not simply a matter of you can step into that easily regardless, because it IS a different energy. It’s not as different as if you were planning on engaging a different dimension, but there still is a difference.
In that, it’s a matter of being, opening yourself to that. And then I would say with your imagination, as you’re developing and creating this probable reality, use your imagination to project. Because as you do that, then you’re beginning to actualize it. You’re beginning to actually create another reality.
NUNO: I have some questions though that I would like to get answered before we finish today. And the first question is: there seems to have been… In our last discussion, you said that most people who do something similar would go the route of birth.
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: And I’m open to that, because of the reality that I want to go into. The general population, let’s say, has considerably wide awareness. And therefore it wouldn’t really be a concern of mine that I would lose some of the knowledge that I have. Does that make sense?
ELIAS: Definitely. Yes.
NUNO: Now but in that… But I haven’t decided which way, but the question really is: how is that choice made, whether to step into the reality through birth or step into the reality as a pop-in, let’s say?
ELIAS: If you choose to step into the probable reality as you are now, then it’s a matter of moving through this method, if you will, or this process of acclimating and creating the probable reality and doing the projection.
If you choose to be born into a probable reality, it’s actually much simpler. If you choose to be born into the probable reality, then what you do is you create that probable reality first, have it set, so to speak, investigate – this is the piece that you would be doing non-physically.
The method is the same, that non-physically if you were to be born into your reality or any reality, as I’ve expressed, you choose your parents as your method of entry. Therefore it’s a matter of, in your meditations, set that intention that you want to explore future inhabitants, potential parents. Then, once you make that choice, then it’s simply a matter of letting go of this reality and letting go of this body, and that will allow you to be born into the other reality. It is much simpler to do it in that manner, but it’s also a matter of whether you choose to do that or not.
NUNO: And the choice of the parents, can that be done through imagination?
ELIAS: Yes. Yes, it can.
NUNO: And suppose that I would go this route, then what happens if the mother decides to abort the pregnancy?
ELIAS: YOU are making the choice.
NUNO: Yeah. I thought you were going to say that.
ELIAS: Therefore you making the choice would be making the choice to engage a parent or two parents and whatever configuration of that you choose. And in that, when an individual makes the choice to abort a fetus, that is an agreement with the other essence, that that essence only wants to experience that bit of a focus for that small amount of time as that experience. And that might be only one focus that that essence chooses to do that in, or it might be more. But it’s your choice.
NUNO: I understand. That’s fine. And you say that this actually would be simpler. Now the other method in which I call it a pop-in, what would be the state of my body consciousness as it appears in that other reality? Would it be regenerated? Would it be in the same state as it is in this reality?
ELIAS: No, it would not be in the same state as in this reality because you’re leaving this reality. Therefore you are altering your body and reconfiguring it in relation to the new probable reality. Therefore you would be choosing that also.
NUNO: And my appearance as well?
ELIAS: Somewhat. Your appearance won’t alter dramatically because you’re not going to be changing your age.
NUNO: Well the age doesn’t matter. What does matter is the degeneration.
ELIAS: Correct. And that is something that you can do and that you can choose.
NUNO: What about my awareness? If I go to a reality in which the general population has a substantially larger awareness than, let’s say, this reality?
ELIAS: You’ll learn quickly. You won’t have the same awareness as them initially, but you’ll learn very quickly.
NUNO: I would like you to focus on my energy last Saturday, Saturday afternoon I believe. And I was attempting to project into this reality that I described to you, and interesting things happened. I felt like I was very close but perhaps not. But one thing that happened was I had the sensation in my body which was new to me. It’s hard to describe, but it was very different. It was kind of – I’m not sure exactly how to describe it – kind of a stretching maybe? I’m not sure. It was not uncomfortable. Another piece of this was that my vision began to at one point become foggy in this reality. And I wonder if you could tell me if I was getting close?
ELIAS: Very close, yes.
NUNO: That was my impression actually.
ELIAS: Yes, definitely.
NUNO: So in that, what piece was missing?
ELIAS: (Inaudible) I will say you might also have a sensation of floating. That you will feel unanchored.
NUNO: Okay. Yes. Are you aware, now that you’ve looked at my energy at that point in time, the approach I’m taking to this?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: And that is a good approach? (Both laugh)
ELIAS: I would say for you, yes.
NUNO: When we first started this conversation today, I kind of got the impression that you were somewhat… if you were a person, I would say disappointed, but I know that’s not like within your… That is not what you do, but—
ELIAS: Disappointed in what?
NUNO: That I don’t continue with this focus or this… Yeah, I don’t continue in this reality.
ELIAS: No. No, no, no, no, no. I would, I would express no. I would never be disappointed with you, my friend. And as I said, I would encourage you. If that’s what you want to do, then I would encourage you to do it.
NUNO: But is it—
ELIAS: I’m—
NUNO: But is it beneficial to me? I mean, which, which would be more beneficial to me?
ELIAS: The method?
NUNO: No. In terms of whether I stay here or I go to the other reality.
ELIAS: Ah! I would say that that is actually a matter of personal choice, that you would be expressing your value fulfillment in either direction. And I would also say that moving in this direction is definitely new, different, and something that is curious and something that you could explore. You know you do have a curious streak in you. And in that, it’s very understandable.
NUNO: Okay. Very well. I mean, in other lifetimes I have done this three times.
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: So it’s not all that new. Oh! Question: so obviously the last time I did it, it was by birth. The other two were not?
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: Ah. That was my impression. I’m kind of undecided as to whether to do it by birth or as a pop-in, but because I’ve been already moving in the direction of doing it as a pop-in and I feel comfortable with that, perhaps that’s what I should continue with?
ELIAS: Let me express to you in this manner. You can explore in that direction. You don’t have to make a definite choice yet. You can explore in that direction and you can determine if that’s what you want to do. And as you move forward, you might choose to move in the other direction. It doesn’t actually matter. It’s actually a personal preference and in that, you don’t have to make a definite choice now. You can explore first and then make a choice.
NUNO: My expectation is that this actually can proceed rather quickly.
ELIAS: It could.
NUNO: Mm. Interesting. Here’s a question: in this lifetime, I was a really unruly child, very challenging for my mother in particular. And this is not something I’ve really troubled myself with because, well, it’s in the past. But I’m wondering if that will occur again?
ELIAS: Not necessarily and most likely not, because it would be redundant. You have already generated that experience.
NUNO: So I have chosen this reality but I’m not… I mean, I don’t have to. I could choose something else. I’m not necessarily committed to it. And the reason I chose this reality that I described to you is because it is a future probable world, as I see it, to this one. It does have some, a lot of familiarity, which makes it easier to imagine and focus on. And I even have imagined what it’s like there, what the people are doing. And one of the key components was that I want to be, if this is the world I choose, I want it to be after climate change is finished. In other words, that the planet is once again stabilized. And obviously by that time, people will be fully shifted in expanded awareness and all that. And so in your assessment, does the twenty-third century meet that requirement? Or would the planet still be changing at that point? (Long pause)
ELIAS: Are you having difficulty hearing myself?
NUNO: Yes. I did not hear you there.
ELIAS: It would meet the requirement.
NUNO: Okay. Very well. But since I’m creating this, I suppose I create that too?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: Okay. So the other question was: do you have suggestions for other realities? Not necessarily one that is from this world or other dimensions or whatever that might be perhaps more suitable for me?
ELIAS: (Pause) What I would say is first of all, it’s more complicated to move into another dimension because then you’re actually engaging with an entirely different energy. It would be much easier to be born into another reality than another dimension. I would say that there are some that you would likely be comfortable with that are not challenging, that are generally peaceful beings and that don’t generate a significant amount of conflict.
NUNO: What about the one that I’ve been contemplating and I attempted to step into on Saturday?
ELIAS: (Inaudible) Yes. (Pause)
Now; I would say that in that, you likely would want to be born into that. And in that, that would be the easiest and most efficient manner of changing and acclimating automatically and naturally to the reality and how they express.
There is one that generally speaking is somewhat more intellectual. They do have what you would term to be a collective mind, but they also have an individual expression. But they can tap into this collective mind easily, and that collective mind encompasses everything in their reality, not only each other. Which is somewhat of an interesting different reality from yours.
NUNO: But is it in another dimension or this dimension?
ELIAS: No. That would be another dimension.
NUNO: I see. Well, that does sound quite interesting, but for the kind of experiences that I’m looking for at the moment I think what I have imagined so far will suit me well.
ELIAS: (Inaudible) very supportive.
NUNO: Okay. One of the aspects of this reality is that the people, they have this… Well first of all, their technology is very advanced. They use robotics and AI extensively. But also their focus of… They have this major project to, in a sense, reverse climate change. Much of the planet is still uninhabitable. They are reclaiming the planet, mostly by reforestation, to attempt to restore the planet. Not necessarily to the same way it was before, but to, in terms of the climate, in terms of how inhabitable it is, to restore that. What do you think of that?
ELIAS: I would say that it is significantly more proactive than yours. Which would definitely be something that would be more comfortable for you.
NUNO: Yes. And also this is a project, an activity that I would be very interested in participating in I think.
ELIAS: I would agree. And I would be supportive.
NUNO: And will your energy be with me there?
ELIAS: Definitely. The factor that you move in relation to your reality doesn’t mean that you disconnect with myself.
NUNO: No, I didn’t think so but maybe, you know, your…
ELIAS: Or that I would disconnect from you.
NUNO: Well, do you have any questions for me?
ELIAS: Approximately what general time framework are you thinking about engaging this action in?
NUNO: Well basically the sooner the better, but I was thinking in a matter of months perhaps, or weeks even. I guess that really was a question of mine that I was going to ask you, was in terms of what can I or should be doing in this reality.
ELIAS: But we’ve already been discussing and about practicing and about acclimating yourself, but also about choosing what direction you (inaudible), what method you want to use.
NUNO: And why did you ask about the timeframe?
ELIAS: Curiosity.
NUNO: Oh. (Laughs) Okay. Well, I am very excited—
ELIAS: You are very unpredictable.
NUNO: Me?
ELIAS: And all humans have that unpredictability about them. And therefore a curiosity with myself to ask questions about what you want to do.
I was expressing to another individual yesterday and I expressed to this individual that when I am engaging each of you, you generally have about between fifteen and eighteen lines of energy that you’re engaging. And in that, I’m aware of all of those but I am also following which one you choose.
And the reason that I was expressing that explanation was because the individual asked me what am I doing when I express, “One moment,” what am I accessing. And in that, I would say that there are times such as now in which I simply choose to ask the question what you are intending because there are several directions that are in play. Therefore you can choose to actualize any of them, and I’m simply curious which one you’re leaning towards.
NUNO: I see. And I’m not sure I’m objectively aware of all of those. Maybe you could give me some hints?
ELIAS: I would say in relation to the question, I would say that you are somewhat wavering in relation to time and that the time factor depends on what you’re creating and the detail that you’re expressing in what you’re creating. And therefore it’s… There are several lines in that, in a manner of speaking, in which you’re entertaining weeks, months, maybe even a year in relation to what you discover.
NUNO: Well the one that I am wanting to choose I think at this point is actually a quick exit. But I don’t want to rush it. I do want to make the right choices, what’s right for me. But I don’t really see the need to stay in this reality for that much longer, other… Just, you know for that purpose, to establish myself in the other one. (Pause)
Are you there?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: I was expecting some kind of response.
ELIAS: I expressed I acknowledge you and I understand what you are moving in and what is your desire in this direction.
NUNO: Right, and you know me well enough to know what pieces of… what pieces are missing from this reality that I want to experience in the new one. And that’s very important to me.
ELIAS: Very well. And in that, I shall be supporting you in every facet.
NUNO: Okay. Well, I think from what you’ve said is that birth seems to be a preferred way. And this was a piece that I had been… I was having difficulty in deciding which way. I don’t necessarily like the idea of reliving childhood again, but on the other hand it’s probably not a bad experience in that kind of world, in that reality.
ELIAS: I would agree.
NUNO: It was definitely not good in this one, but this is a much different world.
ELIAS: Precisely. And I would say that in your present world, there has been a tremendous amount of turmoil in your past century that has created a lot of trauma and a lot of reactiveness – which is still occurring. And children until I would say the end of your last century or the beginning of this century, have not been viewed generally speaking as people. They’ve been viewed as possessions. Therefore that doesn’t necessarily make for a pleasant experience for those children.
NUNO: I’m well aware of that. (Both laugh) Okay. I’m at one of those awkward points that happens not frequently in my discussions with you, in which I’m not really sure how to continue with our discussion here. But I do want to get as much information as I can.
ELIAS: (Inaudible) much more to express to you, my friend. I would say that at this point it’s for the most part about you making the decision of which direction you want to proceed in and then beginning to construct that. And as you construct it, be opening your energy and be directing yourself in relation to which method you’ve chosen. Do you understand?
NUNO: I believe so. Yes.
ELIAS: I would ask you another question: what about all of the individuals in this reality that you will be leaving?
NUNO: Ah, well, it’s not really important to me.
ELIAS: Very well.
NUNO: Pardon?
ELIAS: I expressed, “Very well.” I’m simply asking. And in that, it doesn’t have to be important to you. Definitely.
NUNO: Yeah. I’m not really concerned with that. It’s… It’s not important to me. I’ve given thought to that question and I came to the conclusion—
ELIAS: And what have you thought?
NUNO: I have thought that it might be a little bit strange, and there’d be some questions as to what exactly happened to me but it’s just life. It’s just, you know, from that, from the perspective of most people, it’s just something that happened.
ELIAS: Very well. I was simply curious as to you leaving family and friends, and whether that would be bothersome to you.
NUNO: To me? No. Not at all. I was considering maybe leaving a note or something like that, but I decided not to.
ELIAS: Ah.
NUNO: Does that shock you? I thought you knew me well enough to know (laughs) what I would say.
ELIAS: No. No. Not at all. I was simply asking the question, which you confirmed what I already recognized. But I would say that that’s actually good, because it doesn’t hinder you. You have no anchors in this reality that will prevent you from moving forward in the direction that you choose and that you want.
NUNO: And I’ve got maybe two minutes left. The action that I took on Saturday, I was very encouraged by it but I wasn’t thinking at that time in terms of a rebirth, but which I think now, as you suggested, would be more appropriate. Can I continue with that and just make some alterations to go in a direction of a rebirth?
ELIAS: Absolutely. Yes.
NUNO: I really don’t know what else to ask. There must be something I should be asking you.
ELIAS: (Laughs) Or perhaps not. Perhaps you have gotten the information that you wanted and you have validated and confirmed what direction you want to move in and how to do it. And therefore I would say that that seems to be somewhat complete. And I will be supportive and continuing to express my energy to you continuously, because you might have some moments that you might be shaky, in a manner of speaking.
[The timer for the end of the session rings]
NUNO: Yes. I appreciate that very much. I was actually intending to ask you for that assistance. Thank you.
ELIAS: You are welcome.
NUNO: Very well, my friend. One thing that’s interesting in all this is how it’s changed me, just going in this direction, because all kinds of importances start to be shed.
ELIAS: Yes. Yes. Most definitely. That would automatically happen.
NUNO: Okay. Well thank you so much. Probably I will be talking to you in November. Maybe.
ELIAS: (Laughs) Very well. I encourage you tremendously, my friend, and I will be interactive with you in one manner or another. Perhaps you will have me as your not-so-imaginary friend. (Chuckles)
NUNO: Ah! I would be very interested in that. That would be definitely very, very nice.
Okay. Thank you.
ELIAS: You are very welcome. Until our next meeting, I express dear friendship, great love and affection. And tremendous support. Au revoir.
NUNO: Au revoir.
(Elias departs after 59 minutes)
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