The SA: What it is, Its Position in the Focus and Relationship to the Objective Awareness
Topics:
“Exercises to Heal Sciatica”
“What the Subjective Awareness Is and Its Position in the Focus”
“Difference in Perspectives of the Subjective Awareness and the Objective Awareness”
“The Harmony Colors Analogy”
“Releasing Held Energy with a Violent Component”
“Focus Hopping”
Sunday, October 13, 2024 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Nuno (Lystell)
ELIAS: Good morning!
NUNO: Greetings, my friend.
ELIAS: (Laughs) And how shall we begin?
NUNO: I’d like to begin by talking about my aching left leg, which I’m sure you know all about. So what I’d like to know is, is this a manifestation or is it something else? What is it? And how did it get to be that way? And how do I address to it?
ELIAS: When did it start?
NUNO: Well, it actually started… I’m not sure exactly, but I think it started after our last conversation. Yeah, it would have been after our last conversation sometime. And initially it started not just in my left leg, it was actually both my arms and both my legs and they were aching for some time, but things gradually got better. But today presently, it’s my left leg, mostly my ankle. I think I also have an injury in my left hip that is causing pressure on a nerve and that may be confusing things a bit.
ELIAS: And how did you injure your hip?
NUNO: I’m not sure, but I think it was either at ping pong or with my running exercises.
ELIAS: And that has been occurring for how long?
NUNO: A considerable time now. Yeah.
ELIAS: Therefore, you started with your hip – or what you think of as your hip – and then you began experiencing what precisely with your ankle?
NUNO: It’s kind of like an ache. It comes and goes. It throbs when it’s bad. My impression was that it’s actually related to circulation.
ELIAS: And when do you notice it the most?
NUNO: Well, this is it. It’s when I’m sitting, because then there’s pressure on my upper leg. And the pressure on the upper leg seems to kind of in a way trigger it.
ELIAS: It’s both. It’s nerve, which then also affects circulation. I would say that it’s a matter of engaging exercises and stretches in relation to the sciatic nerve, and that will reduce or eliminate the pressure. It’s not actually your hip, it’s your glute muscles which are being affected by the nerve and that also is affecting your ankle.
Now, what I would say is, if it isn’t addressed to, meaning if you don’t begin doing some exercise to alleviate that pressure, then it will increase to your knee and your thigh and your glute muscles and your back. Therefore, I’d strongly advise engaging either videos that you can do exercises and stretches for that particular nerve and those muscles. I would strongly suggest doing exercises that stretch your glute muscles. And in that, you can also engage physical therapy and that can be extremely helpful and will likely alleviate the situation entirely.
NUNO: Are there any yoga poses that would be good for this?
ELIAS: Repeat.
NUNO: Are there any yoga poses that would be beneficial to this?
ELIAS: Yes. I would say yoga poses: the child’s pose, the cat-cow pose. I would also suggest you can do a stretch by… Let me see. How tall is your dining room table?
NUNO: Mm, about… Let me think about that.
ELIAS: In relation – let me express it in this manner. In relation to your body, where does the top of your dining room table come to on your body?
NUNO: I think a little bit below my hips.
ELIAS: A little bit below your hips. Very well. What I would suggest is incorporate a pillow over the edge of your dining room table. Then press your groin area up against the pillow. Lie your torso of your body across the table. Place your arms above your head and relax. Then with your feet, extend them out until only your toes are touching the ground. Your knees will be bent and your legs hanging and your toes touching the ground. Do you understand the pose?
NUNO: I think so. And so I’m actually bent over the table face-forward?
ELIAS: Yes. And in that, relax your torso and your arms above your head. Relax, close your eyes and be in that position for approximately sixty seconds. And you can do that repeatedly. Do that, then stand upright, then do it again. In that, what you’re doing is you’re stretching your spine, your lower spine. And in that, you’re stretching those nerves. It’s not only one nerve.
NUNO: Thank you. I will definitely engage that, along with the yoga poses.
ELIAS: Excellent.
NUNO: Obviously I’ve been trying to address this with pearl energy and even the inner landscape. And why is it that energy exercises are not sufficient?
ELIAS: Because it’s also a matter of engaging your body, physically engaging an action with your body.
NUNO: Okay. Well, I want to thank you for your information. I was concerned this might be a manifestation and that would be kind of devastating, but given that it’s a physical injury I actually feel much better about it.
ELIAS: Very well.
NUNO: I would like to ask some questions concerning my healing device.
ELIAS: Very well.
NUNO: So the first question is, is the polarization of the electromagnetic energy, the pulse of energy, significant?
ELIAS: (Pause) Is the pull of energy significant?
NUNO: Not the pull, the polarization. Would you like me to describe what I mean by polarization?
ELIAS: Yes, explain.
NUNO: If you imagine an electromagnetic wave, and suppose you are looking at the wave in the direction that it is propagating, the electric component of the wave will be in one plane. The magnetic component of the wave will be in another plane, perpendicular to the electric plane. When we speak of polarization, that means the orientation of these two planes in relation to, if it was a radio antenna, in relation to the antenna. In this case, I’m asking about the orientation of those two planes in relation to the part of the body of the body consciousness that is receiving the energy.
ELIAS: (Pause) Yes. It would be significant, because that would create more of a stabilizing force in the energy.
NUNO: I am looking at this presently not from actually healing, although that’s important too, but from the first step, which is the identification of the resonant frequency. And so I’m guessing that polarization is important for that as well?
ELIAS: Yes. I would agree.
NUNO: Okay. The second question on the healing device is, the pulse width of the energy that I use to send out, I kind of feel that it should be inversely proportional to the frequency. The reason being that at lower frequencies, there’s going to be very few cycles of the energy and perhaps the pulse should be longer so that more cycles are included in the pulse. Is that correct?
ELIAS: Yes. I would agree.
NUNO: Okay. That was pretty easy. (Both laugh)
I would like to now move on to the theory of the day.
ELIAS: The theory of the day?
NUNO: Yes.
ELIAS: That sounds fun. And? And what is it?
NUNO: Well, the theory of the day is quite simply that the subjective awareness is, in a manner of speaking, the core of the focus. And more than that, the subjective awareness is actually essence, or a representation of essence if you prefer. Seth referred to the subjective awareness as the inner self and I kind of like that name because it is a self. It accesses information, it processes information, it makes choices, it expresses itself. It’s a fully functioning self.
And my theory is then that that is actually the core of the focus. These other parts of the focus, like the objective awareness and the projector and the body consciousness and what have you, these are all things that are necessary for the focus to function in physical reality, but it isn’t what the focus is at its core. The focus, as you’ve been saying, the focus IS essence.
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: So that’s my theory and I will offer you a proof for the theory and my proof is this. That when the focus dies and it eventually transcends, it not only sheds its beliefs, it sheds other things. It sheds the body consciousness. It sheds the objective awareness. It sheds the projector. All of those things that are unnecessary outside the physical reality. And most noticeably it sheds the objective awareness. And there might be some disagreement in that, but what that means is: what are we left with? We’re left with the subjective awareness, which is really essence. And that is my proof.
ELIAS: I would agree.
NUNO: Wow! Really? (Elias laughs) Is it really all that easy? (Both laugh)
ELIAS: You’re that surprised? (Laughs)
NUNO: Well, you know, there was a chance that this was total nonsense and I would feel a little bit—
ELIAS: It’s definitely not total nonsense. (Both laugh) I would say bravo, my friend.
NUNO: Well, thank you.
ELIAS: That was a very good and succinct and articulate expression of your description and your proof.
NUNO: I’ve been, since our last discussion, been giving a tremendous amount of thought to that discussion and particularly about the subjective awareness and its role in the focus and how it plays out that role. And I’m pretty sure you’re very aware of my musings on this (both laugh) because I have been—
ELIAS: That’s (laughs) that’s an excellent word, your musings on it. Yes. (Laughs)
NUNO: And so, it has preoccupied me for a good long time. (Elias laughs) And I would actually like to continue that conversation to kind of fill in the gaps, but I’m… I mean, given what I just said concerning the subjective awareness, that has some very interesting implications.
ELIAS: In what capacity?
NUNO: In that as much as I disagree with the methods that the subjective awareness employs, at the end I have to simply concede that that is essence. That is me. And this is what I’ve been struggling with.
ELIAS: That this is you?
NUNO: Mm, not so much that this is me, but you know… is what the subjective awareness does with respect to the body consciousness. I guess what I came to the conclusion of was that there is… a very big piece of this is duplicity, in that essence doesn’t incorporate duplicity.
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: Whereas people do.
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: In fact that comes to the conclusion that duplicity is actually essential for survival in objective reality.
ELIAS: I would agree.
NUNO: But on the other hand, essence doesn’t… doesn’t take that into consideration. So when essence makes a choice about the body consciousness, it’s just another experience. Whereas from the perspective of the objective awareness, it’s much more than that. I mean that there is significant difference between one experience and another. There are good experiences and bad experiences from its perspective.
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: So there is in actuality a considerable difference between the perspective of the objective awareness and the subjective awareness. That’s what I would say.
ELIAS: I would agree, but I would also maintain that there is harmony – but harmony is definitely not “the same.” If you look at… Let us use a different example than music. If you look at colors, the harmonious colors in the color spectrum are the colors that are two removed from the… from each other. Therefore if you’re looking at a rainbow and you’re looking at the colors in the rainbow, or you’re looking at the colors of your energy centers, you begin with the red, then orange, then yellow, then green, then blue, then indigo, then purple. And yes, pink is also in there, but let us focus on the rainbow. And in that, then which colors are the complementary colors? Which colors are the harmony colors?
NUNO: I really don’t know. I have never given that much thought.
ELIAS: The harmony colors would be red and green, or orange and blue, or yellow and indigo, or green and purple. There are two colors in between the harmony colors. Therefore there is red, then there is orange and yellow, and the complementary and harmony color would be green.
In that, green is very different from red. And in the color spectrum of what creates other colors than the primary colors – because the primary colors are red, yellow and blue and from those three colors all other colors are made. Therefore the green and the red are so different because green is made from yellow and blue. Therefore it’s not even a color that is a derivative of red. They’re very different, but those are the harmony colors.
NUNO: All right. And what has this got to do with our discussion?
ELIAS: Because the objective and the subjective, in a manner of speaking, are very different but they are also in harmony.
NUNO: I will have to give that some thought, but… I have to give some thought to understand what exactly harmony means.
ELIAS: Very well. Harmony means complementary. Harmony is moving in the same direction, but in very different manners. It’s a complement. It doesn’t always appear as a complement, but it is.
NUNO: Okay. (Pause) I’m not sure what to do with that, but I think I understand.
ELIAS: Very well. I would say it’s something to contemplate in unraveling the puzzle.
NUNO: Okay. I’d like to ask you about a question that you asked me in our last discussion. You said, “First I would ask you what other action, likely that you wouldn’t like and that would have an intensity to it, would be something that would gain your attention and that would be acceptable to you?” And this was in relation to what would I do with held energy.
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: And what is interesting about that question is that you didn’t simply ask me, “What would you like to do with the held energy?” because my answer to that question would be simply, I want to dissipate it and I don’t even have to be aware of it. But instead you put limitations on that. It had to be within certain constraints. And so my question is, who or what is it that creates those constraints? I’m assuming it’s the subjective awareness.
ELIAS: Which is essence, which is you.
NUNO: Yes. Yes, I know. But the thing about saying, “It is you,” although it’s correct it’s kind of… It doesn’t really add much information to the conversation because everything is me in my reality.
ELIAS: That’s correct.
NUNO: And so by saying, “This is you,” or “That is you,” doesn’t really say that much. But I’d like to understand more about my relationship with the subjective awareness. And I’m just starting to come to the realization or the conclusion that… What really disturbed me the most in these experiences with the virus was that my choices, my objective choices, the choices of the objective awareness, put it that way, were not honored. And I found that quite disturbing, even though I expressed that actions like that were unacceptable and I had very strong opinions on that, my choice wasn’t honored. And I’d like to understand that.
I mean obviously the subjective awareness – which is essence, which is me – has other ideas about what is acceptable and what’s not acceptable. And I’m kind of coming to the conclusion that the objective awareness, in a sense, from the perspective of essence, is not all that important.
ELIAS: Mm. I would disagree, because then there wouldn’t necessarily have to be a harmony, and there is. Therefore I would express my question again: what could you have created differently that would have that same intensity and that would have gained your attention in an acceptable manner to you?
NUNO: Well, my answer would be that the subjective awareness has many, many things at its disposal to do so.
ELIAS: That’s not an answer.
NUNO: I’m not finished yet.
ELIAS: Ah! Very well.
NUNO: And for example, one thing it could do, it could generate images. It could generate dots. It could generate sensations. It could communicate to me more effectively in dreams, which it has at times. It has very directly communicated with dreams. There are many, many ways that the subjective awareness can communicate because it alone directs the body consciousness. So it can… It basically determines whatever the body consciousness does, and there are many things that it can do with the body consciousness other than taking such severe action as activating a virus. That’s so totally, completely unacceptable. And it’d be more effective if it simply, for example, presented me an image or presented me a dream or whatever.
That would be far more effective. It’s not that I’m not interested or I don’t consider important the communication from the subjective awareness. That is not true. It’s that my health is very important to me and that is what is most important to me. I’m not going to sacrifice that, or rather I’m not willing to sacrifice that simply for a communication that could be done in some other manner. Does that answer your question?
ELIAS: No actually, because what type of image would have the same intensity as that physical manifestation did?
NUNO: Well, this is the part that I disagree with, is that why does it have to have, why does it have to match the intensity? I mean, who makes that rule? Obviously essence does. But I could understand how for some people it requires some monumental disease or illness for them to have an awakening, and usually it doesn’t because most people have no clue what that means anyway, which I’ve said many times. This is rather ineffective anyways. But for me, I really… I already recognize that, what I did, and that I was holding and I had expressed in certain ways that resulted in held energy. I was aware of that. It’s not a matter of making me aware of that. It’s a matter of bringing it to my attention. There was no need for that kind of violence.
ELIAS: But it’s not only a matter of bringing it to your attention. That’s only one part of it. It’s also a matter of expressing all of that energy that hasn’t been expressed.
NUNO: Yes, but why does the energy have to be all expressed in that one direction? You yourself said that I can release the energy through meditation, using the pearl energy, and various other ways that, had I been careful and been paying attention, I would have done that and then the energy would be simply dissipated in a harmless way. And this requirement that it needs to be released against me is just… It is craziness, really, from my perspective. And there’s no need for it. That’s what I keep saying, is that it… The message could be conveyed in other ways. What actually happens to the energy, I don’t, I mean I just want it to be dissipated harmlessly. That’s really what I want. And there’s two parts—
ELIAS: (Inaudible) I am saying—
NUNO: There’s two parts to this. One part is the energy and what do we with the energy. Obviously the energy needs to be released in some way. The other part is the subjective awareness wanting to direct energy in a way that grabs my attention, as you’ve put it. And these are two separate things. I mean, you can dissipate the energy and also notify me in a way that is less violent.
ELIAS: I understand what you’re expressing. I’m not arguing with you. I’m simply expressing that in that, it’s a matter of that energy in itself might be or have components of being violent. If you are very angry in a particular situation and you don’t express it, for whatever reason, and that energy becomes a held energy, that energy has an intensity to it and perhaps even a violent aspect to it. And it won’t necessarily dissipate, because you’re holding it. No. It remains in the capacity that it wasn’t expressed and therefore when it IS expressed – and it’s not only expressed in that one example or that one experience, because that one experience isn’t enough to overflow your container, so to speak. And know that that’s entirely figurative. But in that, it’s an accumulation of energy and the energy itself might be violent or it might have components of being violent.
NUNO: Yes. Yes. I understand clearly what you’re saying there. But my question in that then is, you expressed to me that it is possible to let go of this held energy and dissipate it in acceptable manners, acceptable to me, by meditation or by using the pearl energy or by other methods. And—
ELIAS: Now stop. One moment. In that, yes, that is absolutely correct. But that’s (slowly and deliberately) IN EACH TIME. Not once you’ve already got an accumulation. Once you’ve already got an accumulation, you can still dissipate it. I would say though that the most effective manner would be to be generating some type of physical exercise, something that is actually physically releasing that energy. Because some of it might have some violent components to it.
NUNO: I see. Well that’s a new piece of information. (Pause)
ELIAS: When you have a moment that you have an experience and you intentionally don’t express yourself – for whatever reason – then you know you have made a choice to hold that energy. You didn’t express it.
Now; in that, you can that day or the next day engage a meditation and you can release it through that meditation, even if it does have a violent component to it. The meditation might be somewhat uncomfortable at some point, but it likely will be very brief. And that is releasing that energy at that time.
Once you’ve accumulated an amount of energy that is unexpressed and you know you’ve done that, because you’ve made choices to not express certain energy at certain times, and in that, once you do that, then you’ve likely forgotten what the energy is that you’re holding. And in that, you likely won’t be aware of whether that energy that is being held does have some violent components to it. Therefore, without knowing specifically what that energy is that’s being held because you don’t remember, then it’s a matter of engaging some type of physical action that is energetically intense. And in that, that will ensure that whatever type of energy you are holding, it will be expressed and it will be let go. Do you understand?
NUNO: Very much. I understand. Yes. A question in that is, is it necessary to express an intent to release the energy in that manner?
ELIAS: Not necessarily. You can. I would say you can, and if you’re using the pearl energy I would say that it would be faster.
NUNO: Okay. You expressed that very well.
ELIAS: Very well, my friend. I would say if that is helpful to you, that is excellent.
NUNO: Oh I’m sure it will be. Actually it does fill in some of the missing pieces.
ELIAS: Very well.
NUNO: While I was pondering these various things that we talked about earlier, at one point – and I can’t remember specifically what I was thinking about at the time, it might have been to do with my theory of the day, but I’m not really sure. But what happened was while I was thinking about this, I got this vision. And I got this vision three or four times perhaps during that timeframe. And the vision was of a kind of abstract background of browns and greys and various shades of grey and white, kind of horizontal streaks of it. It looked very much like what you might, some people might call an abstract painting. But through the center of it horizontally, and what if it was actually a physical image it would be at my eye level, through the center there was a bar of perhaps, I don’t know, maybe ten percent of the vertical height of the image or something like that. And the bar kind of had the same imagery as the background, but it was still very distinctive in that it—
ELIAS: Meaning what?
NUNO: Meaning that it was very clear in the image, even though it had the same imagery. It was, what I likened it to was—
ELIAS: That’s what I’m asking. What do you mean by the same imagery?
NUNO: Well—
ELIAS: The shape? The color?
NUNO: Yeah. Yeah, the shapes and the color. But what I likened it to, what occurred to me, it kind of looked like, if you were looking at this image of this background and then you placed a glass rod across it, the rod would tend to distort the image and possibly magnify it. And the glass rod, even though it’s clear, would be actually quite noticeable in the image because of the distortion of the image. It was an effect something like that.
ELIAS: Very well. And?
NUNO: And why was I presenting this to myself? And what does it mean?
ELIAS: (Pause) I’d say that it has to do with this subject of your Self and essence. That in a manner of speaking, for a moment your Self is magnified, in a manner of speaking, and therefore it stands out even though it’s the same as the imagery that is around it and behind it and in front of it. And since this is something that has been a subject that you have been quite occupied with, I would say that that was interesting imagery that you presented to yourself.
NUNO: It was interesting that it repeated itself.
ELIAS: I would say that that’s all very creative.
NUNO: (Laughs) Very interesting. (Elias chuckles)
I’ve got a validation question to ask you. In this action of moving the focus from one reality to another—
ELIAS: Ah. Yes.
NUNO: I call that focus hopping. Now I’ve got a name for it.
ELIAS: Ah!
NUNO: My impression is that I have done this three times?
ELIAS: You are correct. Briefly, but yes, you have.
NUNO: I see. Interesting. And I’ve got another validation question. (Elias chuckles) How many times in this lifetime have I created a probable self? My impression is six.
ELIAS: (Pause) Correct.
NUNO: Oh. Very interesting.
ELIAS: Congratulations.
NUNO: Thank you.
ELIAS: I would say that is impressive (inaudible).
NUNO: I’m getting better—
ELIAS: You are! (Chuckles) I would say it’s impressive that you are aware of that.
NUNO: Well, in a sense I’m aware of everything that you are aware of. It’s just a matter of—
ELIAS: I agree, but that doesn’t mean that you’re always objectively aware.
NUNO: Yes. That’s what the difference is.
ELIAS: Especially to that degree.
NUNO: Very interesting. And in relation to focus hopping, I’ve been thinking about that a little bit and I was wondering, a question for you is, is this even beneficial to me?
ELIAS: It depends. It depends on what your objective is. I would say that it can be beneficial to you in relation to becoming more aware of yourself as essence and what you create, what you do, and the expansion of that. I would also say that it also can be entertaining. And I would say don’t discount the value of entertainment with yourself, because that can be actually very valuable at times. It depends. I would say you wouldn’t be doing it if it wasn’t valuable to you in some capacity.
NUNO: I see it as being, in some way, a kind of way to extend the lifetime of the focus.
ELIAS: Ah! You could do that also. I would agree. You can.
NUNO: But it’s not really necessary to change to another reality to do that.
ELIAS: I would agree, but it’s one direction, one method.
NUNO: And how is this done? I mean, I’m surprised – well, I’m not really surprised, but obviously in these other realities I was in, I had the ability to do that. But I wouldn’t even know where to begin.
ELIAS: What do you mean, not knowing where to begin but that you’re aware that you could be doing that?
NUNO: I mean what’s the process to move the focus to another reality?
ELIAS: I would say, as I’ve expressed to other individuals, the easiest manner to do that is to begin by generating projections. And by doing so, that familiarizes you with other realities. And then, once you’re familiar and you’re comfortable, then you will actually know how to simply step into it.
Now, there are aspects of that that are to be considered, because once you actually step into another reality, you can’t step back into this one. If you take your body, your entire energy reconfigures and it won’t fit in this reality any longer. Therefore you’ll disappear from this reality.
NUNO: Yeah, I took that as a given. But—
ELIAS: Not everyone does. (Chuckles)
NUNO: My understanding, however, was that as you said, there are no pop-ins. So if I move to another reality that’s like this one – I mean, as I did – that requires a normal process of selecting parents and birth and all of that messy business.
ELIAS: For the other reality?
NUNO: For the new reality.
ELIAS: That’s what I’m asking. Not always. Not always. Sometimes an individual will move in the direction of stepping into another reality and not go through all of that process. Most of the time, you do go through that process, but there are rare occasions when an individual doesn’t.
NUNO: I would be very interested in that. I mean what makes this not so interesting to me or appealing to me is just another rebirth, is just another… It’s almost identical to a new focus. You’ve forgotten everything. You don’t know anything. You’re just… You’ve attached yourself to parents and whatever it is that you’re going to learn is filtered through their beliefs and it’s just the same thing all over again. But if it was possible for me to move and retain my memory, retain my knowledge specifically, that would make all the difference.
ELIAS: Now THAT is a sticking point, I would say. Because in that, it’s not a matter of retaining all of your memory, or you would retain the memory but not necessarily have access to it, or it would be difficult, just as it is in this focus. Because those memories don’t fit in another reality. Even if it’s a probable reality, it’s not going to fit.
NUNO: I understand. But I’m not referring to those kind of memories. I’m not referring to the objective memories of what occurred and… What I’m referring to more is like knowledge.
ELIAS: Ah! Yes.
NUNO: Like the knowledge that I have gained through you, through Seth, and all of that knowledge is extremely important to me. And that’s the piece—
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: — I would want to retain.
ELIAS: And I would say that if you were to step into another reality and not move through the process of birth, then I would say that yes, you could retain that knowledge. As long as it’s not specifically pertaining to this reality.
NUNO: Well, that completely changes the equation. (Elias chuckles) I am very interested in something like that.
ELIAS: Very well.
NUNO: This has been the piece. I’m just… You know, the knowledge is so very important. It’s what… It’s a life changer, what makes all the difference. Had I that kind of knowledge when I was twenty years old, I would have a completely different life today.
ELIAS: I would agree.
NUNO: Yes. So a topic for future discussion.
ELIAS: Very well, my friend. I would say this has been a very projective conversation. (Both laugh) And quite interesting also. (Laughs)
NUNO: I see. And what part of it was particularly interesting to you?
[The timer for the end of the session rings]
ELIAS: To me? I would say that your movement in relation to assimilating the knowledge about yourself, about the subjective and the objective and about energy and held energy and matching, I would say all of that has been particularly satisfying and interesting. It’s very interesting to engage individuals when they are genuinely exploring and are genuinely in a moment expanding. And this is the reason that our conversations are quite stimulating, because you are doing that very frequently.
NUNO: Well, it’s very important topics to me.
ELIAS: I understand.
NUNO: Thank you, my friend. It has been quite interesting for me as well.
ELIAS: (Laughs) Very well. I shall tremendously be looking forward to our next conversation. In great love and affection to you as always, and very dear friendship, au revoir.
NUNO: Au revoir.
(Elias departs after 1 hour)
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