Releasing Held Energy
Topics:
“Honey and Lemon for Throat Irritation”
“How Container Energy Is Directed When Released”
“Dissipating Held Energy”
“Stepping into Another Probable Reality”
“Creating Physical Imagery of Other People”
“A Partner Considering Disengagement”
“Using Pearl Energy to Address Irritation”
Monday, September 16, 2024 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Nuno (Lystell)
ELIAS: Good morning!
NUNO: Greetings, my friend.
ELIAS: (Laughs) And how shall we begin?
NUNO: I’d like to start with my healing device, which is… It’s just a proof of concept really at this time, so you’re clear on that. So I did some experiments with it yesterday and scanned some of my fingers, and initially I wasn’t really seeing any response. What I mean by that is, what the scan is, is I send a pulse at a certain frequency and then listen for echo back from the body consciousness. So I did that, and tried a number of fingers. I couldn’t really say anything was definitive.
So what I did then is I poked one of my fingers. I poked my right index finger with some pins, and they’re very dull pins so it doesn’t damage the skin. It doesn’t pierce the skin. I didn’t actually want to harm myself because presently I am attempting to instruct myself that harming myself is unacceptable. So if I was to actually deliberately harm myself, that’s kind of a contradiction, so I thought that wouldn’t be a good thing.
So anyways, the idea was to kind of stimulate the nerves. And so I poked at the finger for a while and did the scan again and yes, there seemed to have been a response to that and there was a peak in the energy returned from the body consciousness at around 113 Hertz. And then I tried different fingers, and it wasn’t there so that was a good sign. And then I went back to the index finger and it appeared, so I thought this was a pretty good indication. And my assessment is that yes, I was receiving the echo back from the finger.
So I would like to ask you if you agree with that? Or if you have something else to say?
ELIAS: I definitely agree with it. And I would say that that was a good test, because you had something to measure and you could also, as you said, use the other fingers and nothing happened. I’d say that was a very good test.
NUNO: Oh. Thank you. I’m wondering—
ELIAS: Congratulations.
NUNO: Thank you. I’m wondering, are you able to look at my energy at that point in time and tell me if the finger was emitting, if that was the right frequency or…?
ELIAS: Yes. Yes.
NUNO: Oh, okay. Excellent. Then I’m very, very pleased with that actually.
ELIAS: Because what you did was stimulate the nerves and therefore a signal was being expressed in relation to the nerves, that there was a disturbance, and therefore that was what was registering with the device. Congratulations.
NUNO: Thank you. Thank you. I’m very pleased with that.
ELIAS: You are very welcome.
NUNO: That means I can move forward with my next version of this device.
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: Repeat?
ELIAS: That’s exciting.
NUNO: Yes, it is. It is. I haven’t been putting in, in my opinion, sufficient time into this because of so many other things going on. I’m glad that I put the time in, and now I can move forward.
ELIAS: Excellent.
NUNO: So I’ve recovered for the most part from this virus that I activated. I still… I haven’t recovered my strength and endurance, so I think that that’s just a matter of building that back up with my exercise routine. I still do have kind of an irritation in my throat, so I was wondering if you’ve got any suggestions for that? It’s not an irritation per se, it’s just still producing phlegm and at times I have to cough and things like that.
ELIAS: Have you been using honey and lemon?
NUNO: No.
ELIAS: I would definitely suggest honey and lemon. You can have that in a mild tea, and in that, you can drink it warm or hot or you can drink it cold.
NUNO: Okay. And the lemon, does it have to be fresh-squeezed lemon or can it be lemon juice from concentrate?
ELIAS: It can be lemon juice, but it would be better to be fresh lemon.
NUNO: Okay. I will get some lemons then. Okay. Thank you so much. I really appreciate that.
ELIAS: You are very welcome.
NUNO: And in terms of getting my strength and stamina back, would you agree it’s just a matter of resuming my exercise regime and build back up?
ELIAS: Yes, but I would also say be mindful. Yes, you can be engaging that but listen to your body because it’s also telling you when it requires you to be quiet and resting. Because all of the healing action happens when you’re resting or sleeping.
NUNO: Yes. I understand that. I’m actually pretty good at listening to the body, and I found that when I do get on the elliptical to do, to run a little bit, the body consciousness actually seems anxious, or you know, wanting to run. It seems to want to run. Which kind of surprised me.
ELIAS: I understand. I understand. Sometimes in relation to some illnesses and recovering from the illnesses, the body will move in the direction of wanting to sweat out what’s left of the toxin.
NUNO: Oh, okay. Yeah, I’m very aware of that sweating process. And many years ago, that was like a very common thing for me to do. I would do it more in my sleep, but I did experience that recently with this illness and I did sweat somewhat at night and I thought that that was therapeutic.
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: So I’d like to talk about that energy container that you talk about in terms of when, for example, I express myself in a certain way, let’s say with irritation or something of that nature, and you describe it as the energy going into some energy container. And what I would like to know is first of all, when that energy container overflows so to speak, as it did, how is the choice made as to how that energy is directed?
ELIAS: (Pause) Meaning what it will manifest as?
NUNO: Yes.
ELIAS: (Pause) First, it is a matter of it matching the intensity of the amount of energy that has been accumulated. Then it’s a matter of a combination of what you’re engaging at the time and what will most definitely grasp your attention. (Pause) For some people – many, many people – I would say that physical manifestations such as illnesses or what you term to be accidents in which something physical will occur in relation to the body, many people move in that direction, in which they manifest something in relation to their body. But some people will manifest other things, such as some sort of conflict with a relationship, or they might have something happen with something important to them, such as their vehicle. It depends on the individual and what type of imagery will grasp their attention and, in a manner of speaking, speak to them.
NUNO: Okay. I’m not really particularly interested in the various ways in which this energy can be expressed.
ELIAS: Very well.
NUNO: I understand it can be expressed in many different ways. What I am very interested is in how is that choice made and by what, because I have been for some time now telling myself that harming myself is unacceptable. So objectively at least, that is well known. And you tell me that the subjective and the objective are one, and they move hand in hand and all of that. But even so, this energy was expressed in a way that was extremely harmful to myself. And therefore I want to know how that choice was made, because it wasn’t made with my objective awareness. If someone was to ask me, “What shall we do with this energy?” I would never, ever choose something like that. That is totally unacceptable. So how does this happen?
ELIAS: First I would ask you: what other action, likely that you wouldn’t like and that would have an intensity to it, would be something that would grasp your attention and that would be acceptable to you?
NUNO: Well, the point is that this action of grasping my attention, I don’t care for that. It’s not important to me. I couldn’t care less about it. Objectively that is what my position is on that. I would rather proceed in my own way at my own pace without these whatever you want call them, these grasping-of-attentions. It’s not something that I would choose to do because it’s just… First of all, it’s unacceptable to me because no matter how it is expressed, even if it’s not expressed in the body consciousness, expressed with some objective element in my life, it’s unacceptable to me. And it’s… And I don’t care for these reminders or these grasps. It’s not something that is important, sufficiently important to me, to harm myself just for that purpose. That is my position objectively.
ELIAS: I understand, but I would also say that the point is, if that is unacceptable to you and if you don’t want to move in that direction, then it’s a matter of not placing that energy in that container—
NUNO: I agree.
ELIAS: — in the first place.
NUNO: Yeah. And I fully agree and that is something I want to do. That’s another piece of this. But I do make mistakes and when a mistake is made, then there are some severe consequences to that. And I don’t like how those, how that energy is being released. I don’t like that. I would… I mean, you tell me it’s all me. The whole thing is all me.
ELIAS: If you don’t like it, therefore if you don’t like it, then it’s more a matter of going to the source, which is not placing that energy in that container in the first place.
NUNO: Yes. I understand that, but I would also like to understand how is it that this energy is directed in directions that are harmful to myself without my consent, without violating—
ELIAS: It could be directed in a different manner, as I said.
NUNO: No, no, no.
ELIAS: It is a matter—
NUNO: No, no, no, no. I mean you’re just going to say directed in a different manner, but either way it’s something that is unpleasant to me. My point is (chuckling) I don’t want unpleasant things of any kind, not for this purpose, not for any purpose, because that’s my choice. I mean, that’s what I want to do. This is how I want to proceed.
Previously I talked about this in terms of the subjective awareness doing these things. And even you, when you’re discussing the subjective awareness with other people, still incorporate separation in that. So I’m trying to avoid not talking about it in terms of the subjective awareness. I understand that it’s entirely me, but it’s a part of me that’s making these choices that I just don’t have any awareness of.
ELIAS: Ah! Ah. Ah, but you do because what puts that energy into that figurative, invisible container, which is actually simply another manner of saying that you are holding energy. And what does that is you, in moments in which you are (pause) not being genuine to you. Or in that, that you are expressing in a manner that is contrary to your awareness at the time. Therefore, actually you DO know because in that, I would say it would be in a moment that you might be angry or irritated with another individual, or that you are being impatient, or that you are doing something out of obligation because you are generating an expectation of yourself or you perceive that other people have an expectation of you to express or to do something in a particular manner and you don’t necessarily want to. And you don’t express yourself in that capacity, and there goes the energy in that container.
NUNO: Yeah. I get that. And I am aware of that, more or less. And…
ELIAS: That’s what I’m saying—
NUNO: Yes.
ELIAS: — is that—
NUNO: But that is—
ELIAS: — you are aware of it.
NUNO: I’m aware of that piece. I’m aware of the energy, of that kind of energy and it being held or accumulated. No, that’s not really what I’m—
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: That is not what I’m talking about. What I’m talking about is what is done with that energy.
ELIAS: I understand. And that’s what you don’t like but what the point is, is it’s not about what you do with it once it happens. It’s a matter of not accumulating the energy and then you won’t generate that type of action. It’s going to have an intensity because it’s an accumulation of energy and whatever you manifest is going to have that intensity and it’s going to end up being something that you don’t like because of that intensity.
Therefore the solution is not about changing what the outcome is. The solution is not holding the energy in the first place, and therefore not having to generate that intensity, have it spilling out and moving in a direction that you don’t like.
NUNO: Okay. Okay. I understand that and it’s quite clear to me. It doesn’t actually answer my question, but I don’t want to spend a lot of time on that because like you say, what’s more important is to not put the energy there to begin with.
ELIAS: Correct. Especially the more aware you become.
NUNO: Yes. Okay. So I might come back to this at another time, but I don’t want it really to… Because in some ways, it’s kind of… I don’t think there’s much I can do about it. I don’t know why, but that’s the way it is.
However, what I can do is I think two things. One thing is avoid those kinds of expressions that you described, and I’m trying to do that but it’s not always, I’m not always successful in avoiding those situations. And the other thing I can do, I think, is to drain the energy out of that container and I was wondering if meditation is something that does that? How can I drain the energy out of that container or dissipate it in a way that it doesn’t violently explode?
ELIAS: I would say yes, meditation. Also physical actions, physical exercise, in a manner of speaking, will do that. It will dissipate that energy. I would say also being aware and expressing yourself, even after the fact of something, going back and expressing yourself in a more genuine manner will also dissipate that energy. Therefore I would say that there are many different manners that you can be expressing to dissipate any held energy.
NUNO: And if I was to use, let’s say, the pearl energy to do that, what would be—
ELIAS: Most definitely.
NUNO: Repeat.
ELIAS: Most definitely, you can use the pearl energy.
NUNO: Yes.
ELIAS: But continue.
NUNO: I was going to ask what would you suggest is an effective intent or statement to make, to do that?
ELIAS: I would say that moving in a simple direction of expressing an intention to simply release energy.
NUNO: Just release energy? It doesn’t have to be qualified as being unwanted energy or something like that?
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: Okay. Excellent. I’m being much more diligent about my meditation because I felt that was one avenue to release the energy.
ELIAS: Most definitely.
NUNO: Okay. I’m going to change subjects here now.
ELIAS: Very well.
NUNO: In Tariq’s session some time ago, where you were discussing stepping into an alternate reality, one of the things that you said was that if he was to do that, he would create a new reality, and in that reality would be new people. Am I recalling that correctly?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: And I’d like to understand that. So those new people, they are focuses so they are essence. And does the individual create other focuses when they step into a new reality? Or do they tap into other probable selves of the focuses that were left behind? How does that work?
ELIAS: No. When any of you create a probable reality, what happens is YOU create this probable reality in which a choice that you didn’t make occurs, and is inserted into that reality. But what that means then is that consciousness recognizes – which includes all essences – recognizes that moment that you have created a probable self. And therefore in that, with you, consciousness creates an entire probable reality with that probable self. Moving in a different direction from what direction you have chosen.
(Pause)
NUNO: I’m still not understanding. So there is a… A probable self is created in that other direction that I did not choose.
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: But in that session, for example, he asked about his family members.
ELIAS: He’s inserting himself into that probable reality. Instead of creating another probable self, he wanted to create a probable reality and to step into it himself, therefore leave this reality and move into a different reality.
Now; in that, then he’s still creating another probable reality, whether he steps into it or another probable self steps into it. And in that, consciousness is creating an entire reality around that.
Now; I would say that it’s likely, because you always manifest in groups when you manifest physically, it’s likely that a lot of the essences that you are already participating with will participate in that probable reality. Most of the time they do. And therefore probable selves of the people that you know will likely be – or I should say definitely will be – in that probable reality with you. But they’re not the same people that you were involved with in this reality. Their probable self. He was wanting to move himself into that probable reality, which he could do, but the people around him would not be the same people as he is interacting with now, because they would be probable selves.
NUNO: Yes. And that was kind of my understanding. That’s what I meant.
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: My question was really about the people, not about him. I believe you’ve explained that in a way that I understand how that is. And so these new people in his new reality that he’s shifted into would be probable selves of the people that he left behind in the other reality.
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: Okay. That’s what I thought. I also would like to ask a question somewhat related to that. I’ve been, when thinking about other people in my reality, I think of them as being avatars. I mean the focus isn’t actually, obviously, an avatar. They’re essence. But the physical aspects of the people in my reality I think of as avatars, because I manifest the physical imagery of those people. And my explanation for this for myself is that because everything is so interconnected, I create those avatars in the way that they more or less mimic, so to speak, what the actual focus is doing in their own realities. So if I’m having a conversation with a person, the physical imagery of that person I created and the physical aspects of the words that they speak I create, but the actual content of what they are speaking is their choice and I am replicating that in my own reality. Is any of that accurate?
ELIAS: Yes. Yes, it is.
NUNO: Okay. Okay. Thank you for that.
ELIAS: You are welcome.
NUNO: I’d like to talk about Helen. She has been quite a healthy person for most of her life, but recently she has created numerous health issues and we talked already about her bladder infection or whatever it is. She injured her finger a few weeks ago and it had to be treated, and as a precaution they gave her antibiotics to take for that as a precaution and I think it was penicillin. What happened next was that, according to the medical people, the antibiotic she was taking killed off the good bacteria in her intestines and that led to what they call a C-Diff infection, whatever that is. So they have now given her another antibiotic to kill off the C-Diff, and she’s had serious diarrhea for a while now. I had to take her to emergency last week. I guess my question in all this is: is she choosing to move in a direction of disengaging?
ELIAS: (Pause) Not yet entirely, but moving in the direction of entertaining that.
NUNO: And would that be because she sees her life as more or less complete, in having accomplished what she set out to do?
ELIAS: For the most part, yes.
NUNO: Yeah. I always got the impression that the most significant part that I played in her life was to be father to her children.
ELIAS: I agree.
NUNO: Yeah. (Pause) Okay. Well, it is what it is. (Pause)
ELIAS: And what do you think and feel about that?
NUNO: About what I just said?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: I’m not really… Well, to be totally honest, I would have much rather had a different partner. I’d much rather would have had a partner that wasn’t really interested in children at all, although that’s probably kind of hard to find, but certainly one that didn’t divert her entire energy and attention away from me and to the children. The relationship completely changed after, shortly after we had our first child and that really, for me, was unacceptable but there was… You know. I mean, that’s where I am. (Pause)
ELIAS: And what do you think and feel about the situation with her now?
NUNO: (Pause) I have kind of mixed feelings on this. I mean she’s… she’s a good partner in some respects. She certainly is very helpful to me in many ways. If she were to disengage, I would be… It would be challenging for me for sure in many ways, but on the other hand it would open up some opportunities for me. (Pause)
ELIAS: Very well. (Pause)
NUNO: That’s it? Just “very well”? (Laughs)
ELIAS: I was merely inquiring in relation to what you think about and what you feel about what she is creating presently and your participation in that. And (pause) I would say that generally speaking, in relation to human individuals in partnerships, that they, if they have been in a partnership for a considerable time framework – whether that partnership is in their estimation good or bad – they generally are accustomed to it and feel somewhat content with it because they have become so accustomed to it. And therefore when one is entertaining a direction of disengaging, it can be disturbing to the other one.
NUNO: And it is. (Pause)
ELIAS: In that, I would say that I offer my support to you and express to you to know that if it is wanted or needed, that my energy is there with you.
NUNO: Thank you.
ELIAS: You are welcome.
NUNO: I think it was Saturday night. On Saturday night or Saturday evening, I was thinking about this subject and you presented to me an incredible amount or number of blue dots for a period of time after that, and I just was wondering why that was. My impression was simply to comfort me, to reassure me?
ELIAS: Yes, and to be supportive.
NUNO: Okay. Thank you. I mean, I’m doing what I can to support her and in whatever capacity she allows me to.
ELIAS: I understand. And is she allowing you?
NUNO: Mm. Not particularly. I mean, I offer to do things for her but usually she wants to do it herself, and she certainly won’t heed any advice I give her in terms of what to eat or what to do to improve her health.
ELIAS: I do understand that. I would agree that she can be somewhat stubborn.
NUNO: (Laughs) I think it runs in her family. Yeah. Yeah. That’s pretty much the way she is.
ELIAS: I would agree with that also. (Both laugh)
NUNO: Okay. Let’s move on. Petroleum jelly, is that harmful to use on the body? Many years ago, I would use petroleum jelly to kind of help keep my hands moisturized.
ELIAS: Many people do, and wear gloves to actually contain the petroleum jelly on their hands. And actually yes, it can be beneficial.
NUNO: But it’s not harmful either?
ELIAS: Definitely not. No.
NUNO: Okay. Okay. All right. We talked some time ago about the elimination of my blood pressure medication. And first of all, I’d like to say that in terms of my blood pressure, it hasn’t bothered me at all for a long time. Since, since I got this illness. And—
ELIAS: Congratulations.
NUNO: And what I attribute that, is to my determination to tell myself that it is unacceptable to harm myself. And of course this is a more general statement, and it goes back to our conversation today earlier. I’d like to know if that is being effective? I mean, from what I… From our conversation, it may not necessarily be effective because you know, this energy is going to like explode and what—
ELIAS: No! I wouldn’t agree. I would say it is. And I would say that that’s different. You’ve been very specific in relation to your blood pressure and in that, I would say that you have moved in a direction in which you’re being more intentional with your blood pressure. Therefore I would say that that would be something that you wouldn’t necessarily use to gain your attention with that held energy. Therefore that’s an example of you being intentional.
NUNO: Yes. But my intent is actually… The way I have been expressing that intent recently, it’s not specific to my blood pressure. It’s just specific to myself. It’s simply that I don’t want to harm myself, that it’s unacceptable to do so in any manner. In terms of the blood pressure actually, what I’ve been doing is for the most part just not paying attention to it, but I noticed also it hasn’t been any trouble to me. And if I do kind of sense that it’s starting to rise, I just remind myself that it’s unacceptable to harm myself. I just say that to myself a few times and that seems to take care of it.
ELIAS: Very well. Then I would say that that is an effective method. Wouldn’t you?
NUNO: Yes. But I would like to make it more general, not just for my blood pressure. I mean I want it… I don’t want to do anything, especially to the body consciousness, but more generally. Anyway (chuckles) this is going back to the conversation we had earlier, so I don’t want to rehash that right now.
What I was going to ask you though was in terms of reducing my medication, my blood pressure medication. And the question is actually you said at the time that the body would react and that’s my experience if I do skip a dose, which has become easier for me to do but the body will react and it does. Now the question is: that reaction from the body, is it strictly the body consciousness that is reacting or is it more generally me that is reacting?
ELIAS: (Pause) It’s you that creates the reaction with the body. (Pause) Because you are directing the body. It doesn’t do anything independently of you.
NUNO: Yes. I am… You’ve expressed that before and that was my understanding. That’s why I’m asking the question. So eliminating the medication really doesn’t have much to do with the body consciousness per se, it is really more about me and my perspective upon that?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: Okay. I can work with that. That actually makes things a little easier.
In a session you had a while back now, somebody asked you the question: “Tell me what it is I’m unaware of.” And you made a rather strong response to that. It was almost a rebuke, and you even… You said something to the effect of “Please don’t ask me that question,” or something to that effect. And I found that interesting. I found your response interesting, for one thing, but also when I was thinking about this, I thought you know, the individual probably isn’t actually asking that question. He’s not asking, you know, “Tell me what I am unaware of,” because like you said, there’s just an endless number of things that he would be unaware of. But perhaps the individual was asking, or what he intended to ask was something more along the lines of, “Tell me something that I am unaware of that would possibly be important or useful to me in the present timeframe.” And I was wondering if somebody asks you THAT question, would you respond?
ELIAS: (Pause) It depends. I would say that perhaps with some individuals I would, because they would be ready and open to the answer. But with some individuals, it depends on their motivation for asking the question. It depends on how open they are and whether they can actually receive that type of information at the time. Therefore the answer would be some I would, yes, answer, and some I might not.
NUNO: And if I asked that question?
ELIAS: (Pause) About something that you’re not aware of that is affecting you?
NUNO: Mm… Yeah, it could be that. More generally something that I am not aware of that if I were aware of, it would be helpful or important to be aware of it.
ELIAS: (Pause) That would be somewhat tricky with you, because it’s not that you’re not aware of, it’s that at times you choose not to pay attention. But even in those times that you’re choosing not to pay attention, it’s not that you’re not aware. You are. Therefore I would say that for you at this point now, the only thing I would say to you now that would change things if you paid more attention – not that you’re not aware, but if you paid more attention – is (pause) your expression of irritation. You make that important when it’s not actually necessary. And if you were to make it less important, many of the things that you become irritated about would resolve themselves.
NUNO: So when you say make less important, make less important the expression or make less important whatever it is that’s irritating me?
ELIAS: Both. Make less important what is irritating you AND make the expression of that irritation less important also.
NUNO: Yeah, I definitely recognize that.
ELIAS: I know you’re aware of it. That’s what I’m expressing to you, is that you have a significant self-awareness already and therefore at this point I would say that for the most part it’s not a matter of what you’re not aware of. It’s a matter of what you pay attention to and what you make important, and what you dismiss. You dismiss that irritation piece, meaning that you continue to allow yourself to move in that direction and to allow different expressions to irritate you, and you know you’re doing it. You’re aware of it, but you choose to continue to do it.
[The timer for the end of the session rings]
ELIAS: Therefore I would say that’s something that is significant and that would definitely incorporate a significant change in your life, in your experience, and in your level of contentment and joy.
NUNO: Well, I couldn’t agree with you more on that one. (Elias chuckles) And I would like to use the pearl energy for that purpose, to resolve that, to eliminate that.
ELIAS: I would say that is an excellent direction, my friend.
NUNO: And can you give me a suggestion on how to do that?
ELIAS: I would say actually for something such as that, I would say that that would be more effective in being slightly more creative. And therefore I would suggest that you attach either a color or a symbol to your irritation, to make it a target, and then to use the pearl energy in a manner in which you can direct it to that target. Almost in an action of archery. Therefore having that pearl energy be very streamlined and directed at that target of that irritation. Not to explode the irritation. Not to simply make the irritation go away, because that’s only addressing the symptom. But to direct that pearl energy to target the irritation to change your perception. Because if your perception changes, then the importance of the irritation changes.
NUNO: Thank you. That’s very valuable. I will put that to use. (Pause)
ELIAS: Repeat.
NUNO: Oh, I was saying thank you. That is very valuable. I will put that to use.
ELIAS: Very well. I would say that is excellent, my friend. And I will also say that this has been a tremendously interesting conversation.
NUNO: Well I’m glad that I engaged you in that manner.
ELIAS: (Laughs) I would say to you my dear friend, I will be continuously expressing my energy with you in support, and in great love and comfort also. Until our next meeting, which I shall be tremendously looking forward to, I express dear friendship to you as always. Au revoir.
NUNO: Au revoir.
(Elias departs after 1 hour 2 minutes)
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