Sunday, June 20, 2024 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Vivienne (Eliza)

[Excerpt begins partway through session]

VIVIENNE: So I have more questions. So I have various mild ailments and I’m trying to address to them, but it’s a struggle with often the daily pain. And I mean I… (sighs) I have issues about health anyway and perhaps, I don’t know, maybe this fits into the next question which was about… It’s a question on aging. And I’ve put together this question with someone else, so the question on aging is: What is natural about aging and what is belief-influenced? And I’ve added: And how is perception affecting this subject? Like the general view, that youth is beauty, but age is ugly and decrepit. So I don’t know if those… I think those two might fit together.

ELIAS: First of all, let me remind you about belief versus what you believe.

VIVIENNE: Okay.

ELIAS: And in that, it’s not as much a matter of the belief of aging because the belief of aging is simply change. And it’s the construct, what you BELIEVE, that creates different influences and creates different perceptions. And your perception is what creates the reality of it. Do you understand?

VIVIENNE: Yes.

ELIAS: Very well. Therefore it’s rather, if you were to reword that question, how much of aging is natural and how much of it has to do with what you believe, which has to do with your perception. Because what you believe is what you’re going to express with your perception and therefore then your perception will create that.

VIVIENNE: Right.

ELIAS: What I would say is, in relation to aging, ninety-nine percent of it is a matter of what you believe and therefore what you’re projecting to your perception, what you’re creating with your perception about the subject of aging. And in that, I would say only one percent is what you actually naturally express.

VIVIENNE: Gosh.

ELIAS: That one percent would be expressed as a child. Not even as an adolescent, but I would say perhaps as a child under the age of ten. Because even a child at the age of ten and above is beginning to incorporate constructs about aging, not necessarily in what you think of as a negative capacity, but it doesn’t matter. It’s still influencing that entire process. A child and an adolescent want it to speed up. Therefore in that, yes, it is ninety-nine percent a matter of perception.

VIVIENNE: Gosh.

ELIAS: Therefore the most important piece if you are not happy with what you are expressing in the aging process is to change your perception, which is not as difficult as you think.

VIVIENNE: (Laughs) Okay. Good!

ELIAS: What is difficult, what is difficult about changing your perceptions is stopping the fight. That’s what difficult. It’s not a matter of it’s so difficult to actually change your perception. That will happen naturally and relatively quickly once you stop the fight.

VIVIENNE: And the fight is wanting to be younger and look different and look the way you did—

ELIAS: Yes.

VIVIENNE: — when you’re twenty or have that level of fitness or whatever?

ELIAS: Yes.

VIVIENNE: Yeah.

ELIAS: And being unhappy with what age you are, not liking it and yes, you’re fighting with yourself.

VIVIENNE: Okay. Okay.

ELIAS: You can stop fighting with yourself when you can make your age unimportant and you stop fighting with yourself. You stop wanting to be something else.

VIVIENNE: Yeah. Yes.

ELIAS: Then you can change your perception about age. And then you will actually create something different and you will surprise or shock yourself at how different you can look at you in the mirror.

VIVIENNE: I’ll definitely give that a go. (Both laugh) So with the aches and pains, is that part of me fighting?

ELIAS: Yes. I would say let me clarify that. I will say that partially, yes, but I would also say that partially, it’s lifestyle. And what I would say is in your twentieth century to now, that generally through most of the world – not all of it but most of it – people have moved in a direction of not paying attention and taking care of their bodies. And that has been happening for several generations.

And in that, that’s what you’ve learned. That’s what you’ve been taught. That’s what is prevalent in your societies, and your societies have encouraged that by, in a manner of speaking, making life easier and easier. And therefore in that, encouraging you to do less and less. The only thing that you exercise is your brain, and many of you don’t even do that. (Vivienne laughs) You’re not paying attention to what you consume, because food has become fast also. And therefore in that, you’re encouraged not to even prepare food, although I know you do. But I’m merely expressing in general these are all factors that contribute to the aches and pains that you have.

Because you haven’t maintained your body, and then at certain ages, I would say generally it begins around fifty that people begin to notice stiffness or random pains. And then they begin to express more and more and more of that, and have difficulty with their digestive system and they have acid reflux and they have pains in their hips and in their back and in their shoulders and their… ALL of their joints. That in that, people, more and more people have more and more expressions of or manifestations of arthritis.

In the 1800s and before, these types of manifestations were not common because of the manner in which people consumed food, because of the manner in which they moved and exercised. Because people worked and in that, they were much more physically engaged. And in that, I would say that people were more flexible with their bodies. Even I would say women and women that bore more children. In your present time framework, that is somewhat of a factor. It all moves together obviously, but I would say that female individuals that have borne more children generally will also have more flexibility in relation to their hips and their pelvis, and they will likely have less of those types of aches and pains. But the rest of their joints, they will likely feel it.

Therefore all of it is interconnected. And I would say that regardless of what age an individual is – I mean that literally, an individual could begin at eighty – regardless of what age an individual is, by paying attention and being more aware and changing lifestyle in relation to what they consume and how they move, they can actually, even without any knowledge of regeneration, automatically be encouraging their body to be regenerating and to be altering those expressions of aches and pains, and eliminating them.

VIVIENNE: Excellent. Woohoo! Bring it on! (Both laugh) Well, bizarrely I’ve had success because, with one aspect, because we decided to go on a diet and this particular diet eliminated eggs from breakfast. I mean it’s got an egg in it, but I was eating eggs trying to boost my protein and ever since I’ve stopped the eggs, the IBS has improved. I mean I can eat them at other times of day, just not at breakfast. So I thought well, that’s interesting. (Laughs)

ELIAS: I would agree, and this is also what I have expressed repeatedly with people in relation to paying attention to your body, paying attention to how your body responds in relation to different expressions. How does your body respond do different foods? And you’re correct, it doesn’t mean black and white, you should eliminate something, but pay attention. Does it bother you in the evening? Does it bother you in the morning? How is your body responding? It may not be responding to that type of protein in the morning. Some people fare better if they have protein in the afternoon and the evening and not in the morning.

VIVIENNE: Mm-hm. I think I’m going to change the type of protein. I’m going to go back to what I used to, to something I used to eat, which was, which worked fine as far as I can recall. I’ll try it again. I think it should be all right. It’s similar to this. But yeah, I wasn’t expecting that. But that’s been beneficial so far, so…

ELIAS: I agree. Excellent. Congratulations.

VIVIENNE: (Laughs) Thank you. Oh.

[Excerpt ends after 18 minutes]


(Elias departs after 1 hour 59 minutes)

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