Session 202404191

Combining Pearl Energy with the Power of Dragon Energy


“Combining Pearl Energy with the Power of Dragon Energy”
“Complementary Focus Symbol Imagery”
“Changing Perception with Different Information”
“Set an Intention, Then Trust It”
“The Political Climate Doesn’t Matter”
“The Point of This Shift”

Friday, April 19, 2024 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Brenda (Leonora)

ELIAS: Good morning!

BRENDA: Good morning, Elias.

ELIAS: And how should we begin, my friend?

BRENDA: Ah, good question. I have some ideas about that. First of all, we're going to do a 90-minute session today, my first ever. (Elias chuckles) I decided to gift myself that, and I feel very bodacious about it. (Both laugh) So I've got about seven topics, and I ordered them.


BRENDA: Yeah. (Both laugh) Yes. We may not get to all of them. I ordered them somewhat deliberately so that I don't get ahead of myself.

We're going to start with what you shared with me in our January session about my focus symbol, and I assume that all of those elements are about me?


BRENDA: I wanted to see if we could talk about what the elements symbolize and their relationship. I have contemplated it some and had a few thoughts, but then there are definitely gaps and I wanted to hear what you could share about it.

ELIAS: And what is your assessment?

BRENDA: Okay. Just some of the pieces, like the large tree. I thought it might symbolize strength and endurance?

ELIAS: Yes, I would agree.

BRENDA: But it –

ELIAS: And what else?

BRENDA: And what else? More? (Laughs)


BRENDA: More? Uh… (Pause)

ELIAS: It also is a symbol of grounding.

BRENDA: Oh, of course. I think I had that thought at one time, grounding. Which is good.


BRENDA: Because then it's surrounded by a storm, which I think of storms as being a powerful source of change and growth?

ELIAS: I would agree.

BRENDA: Is there more?

ELIAS: I would say that that’s also an element of your personality, that you have a tendency to generate more extremes, and in that power and that changeability with the storm element, that also has a factor of the extreme.

BRENDA: Mm. Would that be something about how I would see that in my personality? And I know I've made a lot of extreme changes, like coming to North Carolina to be a bread baker. Is that what you're talking about?

ELIAS: Yes. But you also generate somewhat of extremes in physical manifestations.

BRENDA: Like with my body consciousness?


BRENDA: Like the small bowel obstruction and the eyes, those kinds of things?


BRENDA: Is that natural, or is that something learned? Or have I…?

ELIAS: No, I would say that that’s a natural expression for you.


ELIAS: And extremes are not necessarily bad. It just signifies more intensity.

BRENDA: Yeah. It’s definitely motivating.


BRENDA: Okay. Then the other piece that I don't have as much is that it's night, and even though there's a storm and it's night, there's the glowing light from the moon, and I'm not sure about the night. The glowing moon reminded me of something once you said about being a beacon.

ELIAS: And also it is symbolic of female energy.

BRENDA: Oh. For the moon.

ELIAS: I would say that the night is the representation of calm and quiet, that there's also this calm and quiet amidst a storm.

BRENDA: And they coexist.

ELIAS: Yes. Therefore, creating a balance.

BRENDA: Ah. Okay. Well, there was more to it than I thought. That makes a lot of sense. I guess I was thinking because I was a Leo it was going to be the sun and all of that, but I like the calm and quiet amidst the storm. (Elias laughs) I can see how that would be a part of me.

Okay. Well, that was one of our topics. Is there anything else you would want me to see about the symbol to know more about myself?

ELIAS: I would say it's simply good to remind yourself of these factors, that they complement each other and they balance each other. And therefore, when you might be discounting yourself or questioning yourself in relation to something that you've created, that you can remind yourself this is all part of your balance and your complementing of yourself and what you do, that it’s natural. [Brenda’s dog has been barking, and she briefly walked away to take care of it.]

I'm aware that at times you have a tendency to discount yourself in relation to different experiences and different manifestations and “Why did I do that?” or “Why am I doing this?” And in that, there's this tendency to automatically think something is bad when it may not be.

BRENDA: I definitely recognize that. (Elias laughs) I was wondering too, you know when you say that the extreme balances with the calm and quiet, I wondered if that's also why I like the intensity of running balanced with the quiet gentleness of yoga.

ELIAS: Yes, yes. That's an excellent example.

BRENDA: Cool! Wow, that's very insightful, and I will remind myself of it.

ELIAS: Excellent.

BRENDA: The other piece that's also, I guess, about imagery is the conversation you've been having with many people about pearl energy and they're creating their dragon and identifying their signet. I think Jean calls it “superpower.” And you had also mentioned a gift inside the pearl. So, I wanted to share a bit about my exploration.

ELIAS: Excellent!

BRENDA: My dragon, whether it was my imagination or not, actually appeared to me and identified herself as Bentu and shared that I could call her Benny. I was quite unfamiliar with the word Bentu and when I looked it up, it means “the wind.” It's an Asian, maybe Chinese word. I knew she was a dark blue, and I looked and looked for images to find what she looked like, and I would say she is nightfall blue.

ELIAS: Ahh. Excellent.

BRENDA: Yes! So is she actually a focus dragon, like my dragon Urusala that we talked about many years ago? Or is she a symbol only?

ELIAS: No, the first.

BRENDA: Oh, cool! She feels real. (Both chuckle) Then I was wondering about the signet I would have if I were her rider, and I guess because her name means wind, I wondered if the signet would be summoning the wind.

ELIAS: Not necessarily, because the name of the dragon doesn't necessarily have to do with what your strength would be.

BRENDA: Can you tell me?

ELIAS: Yes. Therefore, I would say that it would be more about you delving into you and identifying what your power is.

BRENDA: So that is something then that I could explore? Or is that the signet?

ELIAS: Yes! I would say yes, it's something you can explore. And think about your symbol; that will help you. I would express that in that, it will have something to do with intensity and storm.

BRENDA: Intensity and storm?


BRENDA: Okay. All right. I will come back with that.

ELIAS: Excellent.

BRENDA: Then I did have a perception of what I thought was inside the pearl, and I believe it is a set of wings?

ELIAS: Ah! Excellent.

BRENDA: Is that correct? (Laughs)

ELIAS: For you, yes.

BRENDA: Okay. And at first I thought they were fairy wings because of my attraction to fairy focuses. And then it felt like when I tried to use the wings, which we'll talk about in a minute, that it felt more like dragon wings.

ELIAS: I agree.

BRENDA: Okay. And also when I was connecting with those dragon focuses, I had written about it and called my story “On the Wings of Dragons.” So I thought that was cool that now I have my dragon wings.

ELIAS: Excellent. Yes.

BRENDA: (Laughs) So, I have been doing some practicing with the pearl energy, including using the wings, and a lot of it has been related to perception and awareness. (Laughs) This is the topic that… Well, you may have to help me with some of the language. It seems like I'm on the cusp of getting a lot of things about perception. I've been reading Theun Mares's book about the assemblage point and about intent and will. And I think I had an experience that… I thought I would describe it first, and then if we could talk about how those elements come together to create perception. Does that sound like a plan?

ELIAS: Very well. Yes.

BRENDA: Okay. A couple of weeks ago I was really feeling discouraged and disheartened, maybe even depressed, about aging. And Linda had had her bone density test. I was doubting that all the things I was doing was really working, and really just followed the feelings and of course spiraled down. (Both laugh)

And then, you know, the pearl magic came along, and the first thing I did was stop and share my feelings with Robert and then with Linda, and simply acknowledging those feelings, and sharing it with them really helped. You know, a lot of times they're dark feelings. You don't want to admit that you feel bad about how your body's changing or that you want things to be different. But simply by sharing that somehow created a shift.

ELIAS: Excellent. That is not unusual.

BRENDA: (Laughs) I guess it's unusual for me. I don't like to share the dark stuff.

ELIAS: I understand, but I would say that it's very beneficial. Because when you don't, you allow it to swim in your head. And in that, it is very similar to what I have expressed about shame.


ELIAS: That when you're silent about certain things, it simply makes it worse.

BRENDA: Yeah. And it really affected my perception, because it seemed like then of course I was noticing aging in a lot of other people and not wanting that in myself. And so sharing, it triggered enough that then I did an exercise with Bentu and the pearl energy and my wings.

I had been reading about the assemblage point, where to me I would describe it, it's like where the main piece of our energy is at the moment to that brightest spot, that it's finding outside in the world what aligns with that. So I used the imagery of my wings to shift just a little bit where I was focusing my energy, and then it was like it aligned and my perception literally changed. It changed the countenance in my energy – my presence, I would say. Does that make sense?

ELIAS: Most definitely. Yes. That's excellent.

BRENDA: And so did I…? I know part of the process with the pearl energy is intent, and Theun Mares says that intent aligns those energy fields. By setting the intent, which I did, I wanted specifically to change my perception about my body. Did that intent align the energy fields that allowed my perception to change?

ELIAS: Yes! I would agree. I would say that that description is slightly complicating the situation, but if that is something that helps you to change your perception, then that's excellent.

BRENDA: It definitely helped me have an experience of it. How would you express it, one, so that it's easier to remember and it's easier to share? How would you express the difference between intent and changing your perception and those things?

ELIAS: Changing your perception is not as difficult as people think. It CAN be, if they're complicating it tremendously, or it can be if you're not very open. Therefore, what I would say about changing your perception is, your perception can change simply by giving yourself different information. If you give yourself different information, then that causes you to question what your perception is, and it can then make it easier for you to change your perception.

But – in relation to setting an intention, if you are open and if you're trusting, by setting an intention then it is simply a matter of being open and trusting that intention and that you can move in the direction of that intention. And by doing that, you can change your perception relatively easily also.

But – key in this situation was that you were actually thinking about and including that you wanted to change your perception in setting that intention. Therefore, that is what created the simplicity in that and the ease in it.

Most people, they set an intention and they're not thinking about their perception. And sometimes the intention that they set won't necessarily come to fruition because they're NOT changing their perception.

And in that, something such as aging or regeneration, these are things that do actually require changing your perception about yourself, about your body, about what your body is doing, because that affects how you see yourself, physically see yourself.

BRENDA: Right.

ELIAS: And therefore, if you're not changing your perception, you're going to look in the mirror, you're going to see the same thing that you saw yesterday and that you're dissatisfied with. Therefore, it is a matter of changing your perception so that you are affecting your senses, which includes not only what you see but what you feel.

BRENDA: It’s definitely felt like it also had an impact on… shifted my awareness? I guess that would be what you're talking about, changing what you sense and feel?

ELIAS: Yes. Most definitely.

BRENDA: It's curious. Sometimes I think, “Oh, I have to do these things over and over for them to stick.” But having that experience, it's kind of like once you shift your perspective, it's just there.

ELIAS: Correct. You don't have to do it over and over again.

BRENDA: Okay. That was one of my questions, because it feels like it shifted.

ELIAS: Yes. Yes. And I would say that that's the point. You don't have to be doing something or expressing something over and over and over again. That is the point of NOT trusting: you don't believe it, and therefore you have to keep repeating yourself to make something work.

This is what people do when they're trying to do parlor tricks, tip a table. They're expressing it over and over and over and over and over again, and generally it isn't successful. Because that's the point: You're putting so much concentration on what you don't trust.

BRENDA: Right.

ELIAS: Whereas, if you set an intention, that's the point, is that you set an intention, you trust that, and then you don't have to think about it. That also is the wondrous part of the pearl energy, is that it enhances anything and everything, and therefore in that, it's also something that is effective in the moment; it's not something that is ongoing. And therefore in that, you engage the pearl energy and it's effective then, and it can be very empowering.

BRENDA: And is that the part of why my gift inside the pearl was the dragon wings? To help me feel my power?

ELIAS: Yes! And to be playful with it. (Brenda laughs) Not to be so serious.

BRENDA: Who, me? (Both laugh) I know. (Laughs) It's funny, the things that we believe. With that shift of perspective, I was noticing that a belief I've had, it seems since childhood, a belief that the world's not a safe place, and how that colors choices and actions. That's a belief I think is long due for a change. (Both laugh) But it does.

ELIAS: But it's also very common, and therefore because of that, it's very reinforced all around you.

BRENDA: Yes, yeah. And I know living in close proximity to my mom, it's definitely one of her beliefs.


BRENDA: Wow. Okay. Well, that simplifies my understanding of that. Do you have anything that you'd share with me about using my dragon friend and pearl energy?

ELIAS: Remember that the dragon adds power. The pearl energy is not something, as I expressed it, that gains in power. It's consistent. It's always the same. And in that, when you add in the dragon energy, that adds power.

BRENDA: Okay. How would you define power?

ELIAS: Power is (pause) in a manner of speaking, a state of mind. It's almost an intensity of confidence and an intensity of trust, that you trust yourself, you know your abilities, you don't doubt yourself and you know what you can do, and then you can accomplish whatever you choose. And in that, it's somewhat of a boost of confidence. It's that knowing of what you can do and what you can accomplish, and that expression of being successful, whatever it is that you do.

BRENDA: Well, that's a lot to add to the pearl energy.

ELIAS: Yes, yes. And I would say that strength is more of a physical expression. And it doesn't always mean strength in only your body in relation to your limbs or what you can physically do; it's also a physical component simply in your perception of yourself, that you have that physical strength to engage whatever you choose. And then when you add to that your power, then you're somewhat invincible.


ELIAS: But the dragon energy adds that power to the pearl energy. Therefore, whatever it is that you're using the pearl energy for, the pearl energy is enhancing it, and then the dragon energy adds power to it.

BRENDA: Wow. I need to use it more! (Both laugh) Wow. That is so helpful. It really explains a lot of things. And I am curious to explore what my signet is, and…


BRENDA: Especially, yeah, with intensity in the storm. Okay.

Well, then, sort of related to that was, getting back to the intensity of my physical expressions (laughs), I ended up having my fourth eye surgery. This one was on my left eye because I had had a vitreous hemorrhage that left a really large floater that prevented my eye from focusing well. And I'm happy to report that it was quite successful and my vision in both eyes is really good. I no longer use glasses, even for reading, and that was quite a habit to stop because I wanted to reach for glasses to read at night, it was just part of my process. I had heard what you said to Nuno about improving our eyesight by not using the reading glasses, and it works. I'm not using glasses at all.

ELIAS: Congratulations.

BRENDA: So it was nice to have a success with that. I did have an appointment yesterday, and my eye pressure was slightly elevated so that gave me a nudge to check and be sure, one, I wasn't pressuring myself about the session today. I think I did a pretty good job finding that calm, that calmness and quiet. Would you agree?

ELIAS: I would.

BRENDA: But I also had a bone density test. They didn't do a lumbar reading, because it said I had deterioration that wouldn't have given them an accurate reading, and my doctor said it was from arthritis. Is that something that I should be concerned about?

ELIAS: Arthritis?

BRENDA: In my back?

ELIAS: It can be concerning because it can create some significant discomfort or pain, and I would say that therefore that's something that you likely would want to address to.

BRENDA: Address to how? Like with the pearl energy? Medically?

ELIAS: I would say first with the pearl energy and moving in that direction, and therefore you might be able to affect that to a point in which you wouldn't have to engage medication.

BRENDA: Ah. That would be wonderful.

I had another physical expression I was going to ask you about, that I thought I was probably out of balance with running and yoga. It's either pain that goes from my foot up to my hip area, maybe my hip flexors, or it's going the opposite direction. Is that related to the spine? Or is that me having an imbalance between the running and the yoga?

ELIAS: No, I would say that that's not an imbalance with yoga and running, and that they complement each other well. I would say that (pause) it's more about the alignment of your hips, which then affects your foot. That's something you can pay attention to in yoga.


ELIAS: Making sure that you are balanced, and making sure that you are generating the poses correctly and in balance. Even an inch of being off in a pose is enough to be generating contributing to that imbalance with your hips. Therefore, do you use a mirror?

BRENDA: Sometimes I can. When I'm at Robert's doing it, I don't. I have a window in the barn that reflects, and then I have one in my bedroom. But to tell if I'm off, it would be helpful. And then when Robert and I do yoga together, we help each other with that. Sometimes to get into balance, it requires a prop, like a block or something. Is that like using glasses?

ELIAS: No. No.


ELIAS: I would say that that is good. Yes, using a block or any of those props that you may incorporate to help you in certain poses is good. I would suggest that you use a mirror.

BRENDA: Okay. I can do that.

ELIAS: Because it can be easy to actually move into some of the movements and poses and be just slightly off, and that's enough in relation to certain things, especially if you are a runner, because it's not usually your feet that are causing pain in your feet. It's usually something else. Most of the time it's your hips, or it is an ankle, or a knee, or it can be also your spine. And in that, it's rarely that your feet are what is actually the problem.

BRENDA: Okay. Is what I'm feeling similar to what Robert experiences up in sort of in an area above his glutes and sometimes also around his hip flexors? Neither one of us has been doing yoga as much, but is that a similar thing that’s happening, that's he's not in alignment?


BRENDA: Okay. Well you know, we used to do yoga classes together until the pandemic, and we haven't started back to doing the classes with an instructor but that's also another way to… They’re very good at coming over and helping you if your alignment's off.

ELIAS: I would very much agree, and I would very much advocate that.

BRENDA: Cool. Well, thank you for that. And I will use the pearl energy on my spine.

The bone density stuff, mine was sort of borderline and the doctor told me to increase calcium and vitamin D. I was already doing the full amount of vitamin D. I wanted to see what you thought about not doing all of the calcium in a supplement but also trying to eat more food that had calcium.

ELIAS: I would always be advocating that as your first direction, to be engaging your vitamins, minerals, everything from food first. If that isn't enough, then you can engage a supplement. But I would say that people are so quick to engage supplements, and if they are something that you don't actually need, then they can actually make you ill. It is not correct, the idea that vitamins and minerals are harmless because if you don't need them or if you're not using them that they will simply flush out of your system. That's actually incorrect. That's not true. And what happens is they change, and they convert into different amino acids and enzymes, and they can actually build up in your system and they can make you ill.

BRENDA: Wow! Well, I had concerns about doing calcium supplements because for as long as I can remember, my calcium has been somewhat elevated, and it seemed like we were watching the calcium. So is my calcium level significant in bone loss? Is that a factor?

ELIAS: (Pause) There is some of that. It's not tremendous, but I would say yes, there is some. And I would definitely encourage you to be incorporating food sources that would promote that.


ELIAS: Because also, many times the body, even if it IS something that the body requires, it might not metabolize it in a supplement.

BRENDA: Well, there are plenty of foods that contain calcium that I like, so I'm going to focus on that.

ELIAS: Excellent.

BRENDA: All right. One more question before we move to topic five. I think it was a conversation with Jean that you talked about some opposing activities, like between yoga and Pilates and I believe we've talked about too, that yoga and running are complementary. I've also been going to the gym and not weightlifting, lifting weights, but I have been doing, I guess you would call it resistance-type exercises with weights. I do not do it on my legs. I only do it on my upper body because I don't pretty much mess with my legs since they're really good for running. Is that beneficial?

ELIAS: Yes. Yes.

BRENDA: So it’s –

ELIAS: That wouldn’t be an oppositional action and energy.


ELIAS: But I would say that it is important to know that weightlifting in relation to what you think of as bodybuilding, even if you're not moving in extremes but in that direction, that is oppositional to running. And it's an interesting situation, because many runners are automatically drawn to that type of activity of body building, but it's something that moves in opposition to the movement and the type of body development that you have with running.

BRENDA: I can see that. It's hard to imagine a bodybuilder running trails. It's like, oh my gosh, do their muscles move in the right way to do that?

ELIAS: Correct.

BRENDA: Okay. All right. Well, good, that's helpful.

ELIAS: And bodybuilding in relation to weightlifting is something that adds weight, because it builds muscles in many different parts of your body and that adds weight. And that is contrary to a runner also.


ELIAS: Because running is an activity that requires strength but also is something that your body requires being more lean.

BRENDA: Yes. Robert says he can tell a difference in his ability to run with just a few pounds.


BRENDA: All right. Well, good. Good. The next area: I wanted to talk with you about dreams and maybe something that would be a subjective experience. I wanted to return to the experience I had and shared with you in a previous session after my father died. You said I had connected with him where he was, and then later I was thinking, I guess, what was the nature of that experience? Where was he, that I connected? Because I guess I had assumed it was a dream?

ELIAS: Yes, but that doesn't mean you can't be connecting with an individual. But what I meant by that is that when I express you’re connecting with an individual where they are, an individual that has died, is that they are creating objective imagery, and therefore you're connecting with them in relation to whatever it is that they're creating in that objective imagery.

BRENDA: Okay. Okay. That makes sense. I hadn't thought about that in those terms. Well, cool! Can you share with me where my father is now in relation to his transition, the whole thing?

ELIAS: He's not transitioning yet.


ELIAS: I would say he's still creating objective imagery. And in that, one moment. (Pause) Ah! What he's doing is interacting with younger people in his imagery, and engaging with them in what he perceives as valuable life lessons. (Both laugh)

BRENDA: Oh, that's funny. (Both laugh)

ELIAS: And in that, I would say he has quite a following of adolescents.

BRENDA: Are these adolescents who are dead?

ELIAS: No. They –

BRENDA: Oh, he's just creating them. He’s created them.


BRENDA: Okay. Yeah. (Laughing) He's creating all of his objective reality.

ELIAS: He's creating his audience.

BRENDA: (Laughs) Well, he loves being charismatic, and (laughs) that's too funny. Well, eventually he'll get bored with that? (Elias laughs) Maybe?

ELIAS: I would say that depends. (Brenda laughs) Because he appears to be enjoying himself considerably in this particular manifestation.

BRENDA: Oh, that's hilarious. Fortunately I can share that with Linda. It would be nice if we could share it with Mom, but she wouldn’t get it, I think. (Laughs)

I've also had… Probably in the past month or six weeks, I've had four dreams in which people die. Really, that’s not accurate as much as to say they are dying. They’re all traumatic and extreme. There's a guy that's in the midst of a car crash, and there's an older man who's waking up and his bed's on fire. The one last night, this woman was maybe in an ER and in incredible pain. Then the most curious one was a young girl is buried alive in collapsing sand, and she's really panicked until she sees a light, and the last thing I see is her following the light. And with that one, the next day in the news there was a report of a young boy and girl playing in the sand and it was a sinkhole and she was buried alive and died before they found her. So I was curious about why I'm having these dreams. At first I thought well, are these focuses of mine that are dying? But they… Just four of them in a row. And I was wondering what you thought about that?

ELIAS: They are focuses.


ELIAS: And I would say that it's interesting that you also presented that imagery of a young girl that was buried in a sinkhole, because that's very similar to your experience, but I would say it's simply connecting with other focuses.

Let me express it in this manner: Generally speaking, people connect with focuses that have more extreme experiences first. Then they may begin connecting with focuses that are less extreme. Therefore, people very frequently question why they would be drawn to focuses that have violent experiences or terrible deaths or that seem to be having some tremendous disease, and I would say that that's because those focuses are, by the nature of their intensity, more accessible.

And after you have moved through some of those that are more intense, then you likely will connect with – if you connect with more focuses – you likely will connect with ones that are not quite so intense – although you, in this focus, that is part of your focus, that intensity. Therefore, you might present to yourself a different type of intensity of other focuses, but I would simply say that it's something to remember, that it's simply easiest to connect with these types of focuses first.


ELIAS: That doesn’t mean that that's all you have as other focuses. (Chuckles) It simply is those memories are the easiest to recall.

BRENDA: Okay. Yeah, I did… The other focuses I've recalled have had violent deaths. Is there a reason that I'm having them so often right now?

ELIAS: I would say that is connected with you becoming more self-aware. That creates that openness and that interconnectedness, or the awareness of the interconnectedness. And I've expressed this many times with people, that interconnectedness isn't necessarily you being aware of your connection to a tree. Much of it is you becoming aware of your connections to YOU, which would include other focuses. It includes this focus and being connected to yourself in this focus, and then it also includes other focuses, which can include focuses that are perhaps other-dimensional, which is the reason that you easily connected to that dragon.

BRENDA: Ahh. Yeah, that was pretty easy to connect with her. That's really cool! I'm glad she's not just in my imagination.

ELIAS: Remember: Imagination is real.

BRENDA: I do forget that, don’t I? (Elias laughs) But in the dream last night, I remember, and all of them, it's sort of like I get in observer mode, that I can feel what they're feeling, but definitely there is a distance in it.

And in the one last night, I remember looking at this woman so hard and I thought, “She's familiar. Is she my cousin? Who is she? She's so familiar!” (Both laugh) I guess she was!

But I had another long dream, and I do not even recall what it was about except toward the end I see a young Asian man coming toward me, and the recognition between us is just instant and powerful. And we had this most amazing hug and embrace. It was like this long-awaited reconciliation or something. And I've been wondering who that was. I thought because he was Asian, maybe he was a focus of the essence Cho? Or I also wondered if it was another observing essence introducing themselves?

ELIAS: (Pause) That's understandable, but I would say that it's another focus of your present partner.

BRENDA: Okay. Okay. So it is a focus of Robert, who's of the essence Cho.


BRENDA: Okay. All right. Well, it was a really nice hug. I wanted to go back to sleep and just keep hugging him. (Laughs) So I don't have to feel guilty for betraying my relationship with Robert. (Laughs)

Well, cool. At least now when I have these dreams I will have a better understanding about it.

I wanted to shift to life at Goddess Acres.

ELIAS: Very well.

BRENDA: Yeah. It's that time of year where everything is just astonishingly beautiful. It's just amazing. I did want to mention that Mom is now living in a beautiful apartment that she was able to… At least for a year she has her furniture, most of it, and all of her treasured belongings with her. She is such a social gadfly. She has so many friends and social connections, but now she's building even more at the apartment complex, teaching many of them how to play cards and stuff. So, it seems like things are really, really good with her. What was curious though, when we were asking her about the transition from living with my younger sister to the apartment, she told us, whenever we would check in with “How are you doing?” she used this phrase that she didn't really feel anything. And once she said she doesn't really feel things ever. Is that a dissociative trait that she has?


BRENDA: And did that contribute to part of our childhood trauma?


BRENDA: Okay. I think I would say I've adequately addressed that piece of trauma. Is that true?

ELIAS: I would agree.

BRENDA: Yay! Yeah, it's one of those things that it's more interesting to observe than to feel its impact.

ELIAS: I very much understand. Yes.

BRENDA: Okay. Well, cool.

Well, thanks to a gift from Mom, she had given us a Christmas present of money to have our property surveyed, and we did. And it really was one of those things that physically shifted our perspective, where the property's expansive and then where it comes in to the house. And it really sort of reignited our inspiration about things that we want to do: expansions, beautifications, growing an orchard. Because we didn't know where our property lines were where we could put an orchard in. We didn't know where we could put some decorative fencing. So, we're really feeling inspired and motivated and also very, very appreciative. We have all of our vegetables in the ground, I think except for one herb, and so we've got new trees planted. Everything is really wonderful.

But there's this tension that I wanted to describe to you and that we both feel, between investing in maintenance versus the expansion versus paying off the mortgage, while we're also feeling tension from the economy and the political climate being volatile. And in some ways we kind of get stuck; you know, instead of acting and doing, we get stuck because I guess it would say we don't trust that we're going to make the right choices or do the best thing that's sustainable for us. Does that make sense?

ELIAS: What I would say to you and your sister is again, thinking too much and paying too much attention to outside sources rather than paying attention to you and what you're doing, what you're choosing.

BRENDA: So like…

ELIAS: What you do and what you choose is not contingent on the political climate.

BRENDA: So we don't have to worry about getting solar and being self-sustaining and food, and…? Yeah, I think that is a distraction, and then like you say, it's almost like we get so overthinking that we don't often do the next step except for what we've been doing. You know, we're growing the herbs and the produce, but we're not doing the expansion and doing the… like we want to do trails and orchards and stuff.

ELIAS: And what I would say to you is, move in the direction of what you want to do and don't concern yourself with what the government is doing.

BRENDA: That is challenging sometimes. (Both laugh) But I guess that brings us back –


BRENDA: I guess Linda would say for her word, I can hear her saying “being responsible.” I guess there's still, going back to your definition of power, that in this area we're not trusting ourselves and we lack the confidence and so we end up doing what's familiar, because that's a lot less risky. So maybe Goddess Acres is sort of a playground where we can develop that power, because there is just so much potential at these acres. I mean, we just feel it, and we love being here. I guess sometimes we're just taking the easy, chicken way out, and then we blame it on the external conditions.

ELIAS: Of course! And I would say that… Let me ask you a question – and think about it realistically: How has the political climate and the government in its existing form actually affected you personally in the past five years? Realistically – not what you're thinking, but actually physically affecting.

BRENDA: Well actually, probably in more positive ways than negative. I mean, we're (laughs) both getting Social Security in addition to our working income, and very supportive during COVID. So I don't…

ELIAS: And how has it affected what you do on your property?

BRENDA: Actually, not at all. I mean, we have…

ELIAS: Precisely. Precisely. Don't explain any farther.

BRENDA: (Laughs) Not at all.

ELIAS: Don't think about it any farther.


ELIAS: This point is made, that how the government has affected you personally has only been in a positive direction of paying you money.

BRENDA: Correct.

ELIAS: Other than that, it hasn't physically affected you at all. You do what you do, you work at your job and you work on the property, and you run and you do yoga and you interact with your partner, and you interact with your sister and your mother, and the government has nothing to do with any of that.

BRENDA: That is true.

ELIAS: And in that, I would say that the political climate doesn't matter; it's not actually physically affecting you. And therefore, just as I was expressing to you about how to define power, that it's a state of mind, you can also find being powerless or a victim as being a state of mind also.

And in that, you can put yourself in those positions very easily by concentrating on outside sources that aren't actually affecting you, but you think they are because that's what you're paying attention to, because that's what you're making important. And I would say that that doesn't mean it's not real, because it's part of your perception, and that's real. But is it accurate? No. There's a difference between real and accurate. And in that, I would say that it's a matter of empowering yourselves, not overthinking, not concerning yourself with these outside sources.

What you're doing by concerning yourself with the quote-unquote “political climate” — it's not a political climate. You're focusing on people. It's no different than focusing on another person in your community, or a person at your job, and giving them your power. It's no different from that. In that, you have experience with that with your boss.

BRENDA: Oh yes.

ELIAS: And in that, this is an individual that didn't deserve all that power and that attention, but the more you give it to them, the less power you have. In this, it's not a political climate. It's not a climate; it's people. It's individuals.

And in that, you're giving them your power; and in that, they're not actually affecting you – physically. Emotionally, mentally, yes, because you're giving them that power. But are they actually affecting you physically? No. Are they actually physically affecting your life? No.

That’s important to remember: It's about you. This is the point of this Shift, shifting away from things such as authority and groups and governments, and shifting TO the individual and YOUR power. That's what's important.

BRENDA: I hear you. And I know that. I can recognize in Linda and me both that there are many times in our lives that we have, in a sense, I guess, given our authority away rather than claiming our authority and power over ourselves. So, I hear you.

ELIAS: Some of that has to do with thinking too much.

BRENDA: Ah. (Laughs) Yes. That is something we need to deal with. (Elias laughs) Because that's not necessarily natural to us, is it?

ELIAS: No! Because thinking is something that definitely is important and helps to guide you, but how does it do that? It translates. Therefore, it's not the source of information; it's the translation of information. And in that, it is very helpful and it is useful if you are using it in relation to what it's designed for. (Pause)

BRENDA: We are both going to need to work on that. (Elias laughs) Yeah, I can see a great opportunity there for us to work and shift our perspective on that and that that's… We can do it.

ELIAS: I very much agree.

BRENDA: I'm confident that we can do it.

ELIAS: And I will be offering my energy to you continuously in support of that.

BRENDA: Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it, and I know she does too.

Well, somehow we managed to fill the 90 minutes. (Laughs)

ELIAS: Aha! (Laughs) Excellent.

BRENDA: And I promised Mary I wouldn't go over. I think she's got an errand to do and another session coming up.

ELIAS: Very well. I express tremendous, tremendous encouragement to you, my friend. Use that pearl and dragon energy, and use your own empowerment. (Chuckles)

[The timer for the end of the session rings]

ELIAS: And I would definitely be encouraging you with your connections with your sister, with your partner, and with your mother.

BRENDA: Thank you. Thank you for the session.

ELIAS: In tremendous love to you and dear friendship as always, au revoir.

BRENDA: Au revoir.

(Elias departs after 1 hour 30 minutes)

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