Session 20201101

“The Abused Generations: Not Important, Less Than and Not Enough”
“The Effects of Abuse on Relationships”
“Moving a Feeling into a Physical Manifestation”
“Tapping Exercise Time Limit”

Sunday, November 1, 2020 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Anon

ELIAS: Good afternoon!

ANON: Hi, my friend!

ELIAS: Aha! And NOW what shall we discuss?

ANON: Well, we shall discuss some small questions before we move on to this avalanche that we started with this topic. And oh my god, I really see that you paved the way with my session for the group session, Elias?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

ANON: And it was taking momentum, and so it was quite intense, this group session?

ELIAS: In the perception and the reception of the participants, yes, I would agree.

ANON: Wow. Okay, my friend—

ELIAS: Inputting this type of subject is difficult for many, if not most individuals.

[Personal information omitted]

ANON: Okay, back to this topic that is a little bit harder. You know, a friend asked me, more joking than really expecting that there is any blocked memory: “Please peek into my abuse entanglements.” And so I did and was surprised to see a blocked memory that contains an abuse, and how that was motivating her to become involved in women’s rights and stopping violence against children. What is your assessment about that? And would you agree that she is ready to address it now?

ELIAS: (Pause) Yes. I would say that you could actually engage that. And in that, I would say that the individual would be reasonably open to that.

Now, I would also remind you: tread lightly, my friend, because people can turn in their response very quickly and be reactive. Even if they are ready, it is a volatile situation. Therefore, I would remind you to be gentle.

ANON: Yes, I know.

ELIAS: And tread carefully.

ANON: And I saw that the parents were actually not involved. It was actually a boy, an older boy from the neighborhood. Would you agree with that?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANON: Oh my god. This is crazy, that boys are abusing other smaller children, Elias. I mean, this is so crazy, you know?

ELIAS: I would say that is actually not unusual.

ANON: Yes, I see that more and more. I mean, the more I delve into people’s memory, it is interesting [that] so many people have actually locked memory. For example, when I looked into Robin’s memory, I saw that he had quite a lot of locked memories. But these are not intense; they do not glow. These are locked memories that are kind of embarrassing situations that he was simply not keeping, you know? Would you agree with that?

ELIAS: Yes, I would.

ANON: And then I see a lot of memories that are actually partners are cheating on their spouse and they are not wanting to live with that, and so they also remove that from their memory. This is actually quite common, I would say.

ELIAS: I would agree. And there is actually more to it.

ANON: Oh!

ELIAS: I would say—

ANON: Do tell.

ELIAS: There is actually a lot in relation to THAT subject also with partners, with people that are married or have been married and their spouses, and this also is another part of this subject. In this, what I would say is first of all, it is a matter of understanding. In the group discussion, one of the individuals asked in relation to what are some of the expressions that are influences of these traumas and how they would be recognized—or how they would be noticed, let us say. And I gave a brief list of different expressions that would be indicators of these types of experiences and what it influences individuals to do.

Now, the important factor with this is that the influences are tremendously diverse. And in that, many of them are expressed in what you would identify as opposite. Therefore, some individuals will express certain influences, and then some other individuals will express the opposite. And THIS in itself becomes another added piece that exacerbates the situation. Such as, some individuals will incorporate an influence in which they become very focused on disclosure and honesty, and that becomes very important to them, and they become almost hypervigilant in their expression of expecting everyone to be disclosing of all of their experiences and therefore what they consider to be honest, and that if they aren’t sharing, then they automatically assess that the people are NOT being honest, that they are being dishonest.

Now, in this, that is one of the influences, because the initiating generation—the generation that was actually participating or in the time framework of the Second World War—these individuals expressed a considerable amount of secrecy, and also silence in relation to shame. Therefore, in that, the children of these people—that first and second generation that I spoke of—these children grew up in an environment of significant secrecy.

Now, that influenced SOME of them to be generating a perception that they themselves need to share everything and that they expect everyone around them and everyone that they engage to be sharing all of their experiences, and if they aren’t, then they are being dishonest and they are being secretive. Therefore, that creates suspicion on the part of the individual that expects that honesty and expects that disclosure.

Now, that creates a significant difficulty, because there are so many individuals that don’t incorporate a memory, or a recall of memory. And therefore, it isn’t that they would be intentionally being secretive but that they don’t remember and therefore, they don’t have anything to be disclosing.

But in addition to that, then there is another factor, in which some of the individuals that DO incorporate recall of their memories, because they were raised in that environment of secretiveness they carry that on. And they incorporate the perception that they aren’t necessarily being secretive but that they are being private, and that privacy is something that is tremendously important to them.

Now, this creates significant difficulty in association with relationships, and especially in partnerships, because this can generate significant conflict in these types of differences with people that have experienced very similarly but that their responses to those experiences are very different. And in that, it creates a tremendous difficulty.

And what I would say to you is, in these two generations, more so than any other time in history, there is more dissolving of relationships and partnerships than any other time. The people in these two generations have expressed the most difficulty in creating a successful, ongoing relationship—so much so that it is so much to the norm, so to speak, that in these two generations relationships are not lasting, that when they meet people that have relationships that ARE lasting, that have been established for more than twenty years, that they are astounded in how can you maintain a relationship for that long of a period of time.

Now, prior to this, this was what you would term to be the norm. It was unusual if individuals would discontinue a relationship or incorporate a divorce. And in that, it would not be expressed unless there were significantly extreme situations or circumstances. But in relation to these two generations—and then also subsequent generations but less than—but in those two generations the direction of maintaining a relationship, a partnership, with another individual is so difficult because there are so many underlying factors that create so much difficulty for individuals to actually cooperate with each other and accept each other that the relationships are not lasting.

And THAT is another factor that exacerbates all of the situations and the influences from the trauma, because then the individuals discount themselves more, and they view themselves to be failures and they are angry and they blame with themselves and each other, and it becomes a tremendously tangled mess.

ANON: Wow.

ELIAS: And these are more of the factors that are involved. I would say it isn’t only that the individuals incorporated such difficulty with relationships, which they do—and not only partnerships but friendships. They have difficulty maintaining ANY type of relationship, because they don’t know how, because they have no examples and because they have been made to perceive themselves as insignificant, unimportant and/or less than and not enough. And this is a prevailing perception with the majority of people.

I would say to you, my friend, that I have been speaking to individuals for a quarter of a century about relationships and how to move in a direction of successful relationships. I would say that that is one of the most common subjects that people have questions about, because they can’t seem to successfully create an ongoing relationship.

And in this, I would say also that regardless of what information I have offered in relation to that subject, that until people moved to this point in which they could begin addressing to this situation, it actually has been somewhat of a moot point whatever information I have offered to them in association with that subject—although NOW they can begin to use that information, once they begin moving in the direction of addressing to their own expressions and recognizing these influences.

It is astounding how much influence there has been. And one of the most significant difficulties is that many of the influences that have been born out of these generations of trauma people perceive as good.

ANON: Ah.

ELIAS: THAT is a significant what you would term to be entanglement.

ANON: Can you give an example, Elias?

ELIAS: Very much so. I would say there are many. Overachieving and therefore being tremendously successful in business—and many, many, many individuals have been, throughout your world in these two generations, very successful, very creative, have generated considerable amounts of money and wealth or have been tremendously achieving in relation to accomplishments in universities. I would say that the difficulty with that is THEY perceive that as excellent, but in that, they are also disassociated and disconnected. They don’t know how to emotionally connect with each other or with other individuals. They are devoid of—or have been devoid of—empathy, because so many of them don’t remember what their own experiences have been. You express empathy when you can relate with something or someone else, when you have an experience that you have to reference in relation to something or someone else. That is what gives you that expression of empathy. If you don’t have a frame of reference in relation to an experience or an expression, then you can’t express that empathy. And you have two generations of people that have a considerably damaged expression of empathy—not that it can’t be healed and repaired, but that they have engaged so much of their lifetime not expressing it.

And because of that, they have disassociated from many of their own feelings—not all of them, but most of them. And in that, what they have done is they have put such a damper on their own feelings—which, that doesn’t mean they don’t feel anything but that they are experiencing a tremendously limited amount of their own feelings.

And in that, because of that, they think that they are fine, that everything in their life is fine and that they have questions in relation to relationships and why that may be difficult for them, but other than that, they are fine, they are successful, they are moving in adequate directions and that their lives have been what they think of as satisfying, and that they see no reason at this point why they should be uncovering anything uncomfortable from the past, because they have fared fine to this point—but they haven’t.

And in that, it isn’t only that they have difficulties with relationships. And as I expressed, it isn’t only partnerships, it is all relationships. They have difficulty with family relationships, they have difficulty with their children, they have difficulty with each other, they have difficulty with friendships—any type of relationship.

They also have difficulty with the idea of acceptance. This is the reason that there is so much of the information that I have offered in this quarter of a century that seems to be repetitive, because individuals do not understand how to move in the direction of acceptance or how to move in a direction of not blaming. Why? Because they haven’t addressed to their own trauma, and there is a tremendous amount of held, built-up energy that hasn’t been addressed to for years and years and years and years. And that energy is actually toxic.

And in that, regardless of how successful an individual can be, it doesn’t matter--there is always something missing. There are two generations of not enough. Strive and strive and strive and strive—no matter how much they accomplish, it is never enough. No matter how much they do, no matter how much money they make, no matter how much they engage, it is never enough. They have to do more. There is always a force. There is always that pushing.

ANON: Yes.

ELIAS: There is always something missing.

ANON: I can see that. I mean, let me ask you, because I was amazed how many people have locked memories in relation to cheating partners. So, would you say that it is a benefit if I would address this as well? So, is the influence as dramatic in relation to relationships as it is in trauma? I am not really sure yet whether it is necessary to address these locked memories of cheating, you know. What is your assessment about that, Elias?

ELIAS: What I would say is yes, that can be a benefit. Now, what I would also express is, I would reiterate that it isn’t a situation or a matter of having to unlock ALL of the memory, that the individual can be unlocking between one and three, and that is plenty. That is the point also in general with everyone, is that it isn’t a matter of importance that every individual is recalling every memory and moving through every single experience that they have incorporated in their childhood or in their young adulthood, but that a few is plenty, that as long as they have enough recall that they can generate a significant overview of their experiences, that is enough.

ANON: Okay.

ELIAS: And if they have – now, this is an important point: If they have a specific memory that continues to be bothersome or that continues to be influencing, that it would be significant and important that they actually unlock that one, in addition to whatever else they have done. They will know that, because they will have the ability to see repeated behaviors of themself that they can’t seem to alter. That no matter what they do or what they try, that they will have a particular behavior that persists and they can’t seem to alter that. And in that, that is the indicator that there is a specific memory that is locked that has some specific significant influences attached to it.

ANON: You know, there is the friend we talked about that was abused by the boy of the neighborhood. She expressed recently that she was feeling increasingly uncomfortable in bathrooms, and my feeling is actually this is coming from this abuse.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANON: So, she is actually opening up? She already is noticing some kind of strange things that are happening?

ELIAS: Yes. Now, what you will notice with other individuals, what can be another piece, or another type of expression, is that an individual may not have a recall and may notice a persistent behavior that they have, such as they may express that they have had difficulty with certain actions. Let us say that they can’t ride in the back seat of a vehicle, and that they have been aware of that for years but they don’t know why. Or that they have tremendous difficulty being in the presence of another individual that is irritated or frustrated. Or that they can’t be in the presence of anyone that is yelling—and it doesn’t have to be yelling in anger, it could be yelling in a crowd. It could be at a sports event, and people yelling for the team. Therefore, it doesn’t matter if the yelling is happy or angry or frustrated; it doesn’t matter what it is that they can’t be in the presence of anyone that is raising the volume of their voice. And they may be aware of that for long periods of time. They may be aware that they can’t be associated with these expressions for years, but they don’t know why.

ANON: Yeah. That is definitely then a point to delve into it and discover what is behind it. Yeah.

ELIAS: Correct. Correct.

ANON: Wow. There is so much info. You know, I just wanted to know, I recently started to use more and more the metaphor of a huge maze in which my clients are moving around but are unable to find the exit but rather stray in the huge maze. The maze is the influence of attachments of trauma that they have not addressed yet and they are not seeing it. So, my service is to disentangle them. I describe [it] as offering them a map of that maze. And it is clear that I do not transport them out of the maze but they have to walk out, but now they have a map of the maze and know how to navigate and find the exit. Would you say that that is an accurate metaphor to make clear what I offer and what I am not able to do for them, Elias?

ELIAS: I would. And I would acknowledge that, that that is definitely helpful. And in that, you are correct that you aren’t pulling them out of it—they have to walk out themselves. But if they have signposts and if they have a map, that can be tremendously, tremendously helpful.

ANON: Yes. Some people have problems to understand it, but I guess it’s because they do not really combine this attachment with a maze, but actually it is because you are running around and you are never reaching the exit, you know?

ELIAS: Correct. And in that, this is also another piece in relation to what requires significant patience with you, because in that, it may take time for the individual to uncover. AND what can be more difficult is that what is significant to remember is that the associations that these individuals have were made as children, and children don’t think in the same manner that adults think. Therefore, they make associations, and it may not be to an adult as clear what that association is.

Therefore, let us express an individual that has difficulty riding in the back seat of a vehicle. There may not be anything that ever happened to that individual in the back seat of a vehicle, but they may have made an association as a child that being in the back seat or being BEHIND someone isn’t safe. Therefore, in that, they may actually have experiences that are actually more associated with being in a certain position, being behind someone. They may have experiences in which an adult in their life as a child was abusive to them in relation to finding them behind them. But in that, it may not have anything objectively to do with a vehicle.

ANON: Ah, yeah, okay.

ELIAS: But in a vehicle, if the child is in the back seat of a vehicle, they are stuck. They have no way out. They can’t escape. Therefore, they are permanently in the position of being behind the adult. Therefore, that may be the reason that they make that association.

A child that makes an association with yelling, and that it doesn’t matter if it is excited or happy or angry but that the volume is what is frightening to them, it may not have anything to do with yelling. That may simply be the interpretation that they make as a child of something extreme.

Therefore, this is the piece that can be challenging and difficult, not only for the individual that is attempting to discover these traumas and put together the trauma and the feeling to be able to heal them, but it can also be challenging for the individual in your position, because in that, you can’t always assume at face value what the trauma may have been, because it may not be as obvious as you think, and that it may not be what it seems to be. That it is how the child has interpreted an experience.

[Personal information omitted]

And for someone as yourself, it is challenging to be recognizing that you have to be interpreting what that child was experiencing, not simply what the automatic association might be as an adult. Which I very much acknowledge you, that you are doing that.

[Personal information omitted]

ANON: (Sighs) I have some quick questions for a new client in Australia. She is dealing with a lot of guilt and feeling whatever she is doing is wrong, like others suffer and she is feeling good, they have less money than her, and that it is actually never enough what she is doing and trusting her own choices. It seems to me that everything is very interwoven, and I am not quite sure whether it is actually one attachment or I am actually dealing with two attachments. So, can you help me a little bit and phrase what attachment most likely is the biggest one?

ELIAS: Repeat what her expression was. There was an interference in that.

ANON: Okay. She is dealing with a lot of guilt, and feeling whatever she is doing is wrong. Like others suffer and she is feeling good, she has money and others have less money, and that it is actually never enough what she is doing, and she is not trusting her own choices. And I have the feeling that maybe there are even two attachments behind it, or there is one attachment and it is so spread and so many branches are coming from that that I actually have a problem to phrase it. So, I would ask you, can you give me an exact phrase or assessment of what kind of attachment it is?

ELIAS: I would say you are correct. There is more than one. There is one that is religious.

ANON: Oh!

ELIAS: That is about the nobility of less.

ANON: Wow.

ELIAS: That it is more spiritual, it is more noble to actually have less and to not be expressing in the direction of having more, that actually not enough is considered to be better and more spiritual.

ANON: Wow.

ELIAS: It moves in a very similar direction as struggle, that struggle is viewed as better and that if you are suffering you are more spiritual, you are more honorable, and that you actually are more noble in that capacity and that God appreciates that more.

ANON: Oh my god.

ELIAS: And there is the other factor of the influences of the people around her not necessarily even expressing in a religious capacity but simply expressing that if the individual, even as a small one, was moving in the direction of accomplishing and expressing that—not that there shouldn’t be accomplishment, which this is also very common, these tremendously opposing messages that have been expressed with these children, that you should be successful, you should be moving in a direction of gain, you should be accomplishing, BUT you also shouldn’t be [accomplishing], or you should be very quiet about it, and you should never express recognition for it.

ANON: Wow.

ELIAS: Because in that, then you are being boastful and prideful, and that these are bad. Also, if you are moving in a direction of having more than someone else, then that is bad because you should be giving away whatever is excess. You should only be generating what you need and nothing more.

ANON: My god. This is kind of influencing her, I guess. Wow.

ELIAS: Definitely. Therefore, that can be very difficult, because in that, even when the individual is BEING successful and they ARE generating, they feel guilty for generating what they do or accomplishing what they do.

ANON: Yes. Makes sense. So, would you agree that actually I cannot really disentangle one attachment without also addressing the other? I have to address both at the same time, it seems?

ELIAS: Yes. I would agree.

ANON: And would you agree that her daughter, the stats impressions are Gramada, Vold, intermediate, emotional, final, not dispersed?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANON: And can you give me her essence name?

ELIAS: One moment. (Pause) Essence name: Lark, L-A-R-K.

ANON: Oh! Thank you.

You know, something that I found in an old session, information that you shared with my partner, that feelings are moving inside our body and that actually nobody is really aware of that, and so I got curious and delved deeper into that . And I see a great potential to be used in healing, and I saw that in order to get the greatest benefit, you need to move different feelings to different parts of the body. Can you elaborate on that a little bit, Elias?

ELIAS: I would agree. And I would express that that would depend on the situation. Offer an example.

ANON: Now, I felt that actually this information that feelings are moving and that almost no one is aware of it, there is a great potential in actually utilizing it in healing people. And even these traumas and these locked memories, if you are aware of what you are doing, you can actually use this moving of feeling intentionally. It can be tremendously beneficial. So, I have no case; I simply was laying the base of this, you know?

ELIAS: Yes. I would agree. I would definitely agree.

Now, in that, I would say, definitely the examples that I used with you about children and how they interpret can be used as examples in these situations. That at the time of a trauma, that child is experiencing terror and they are perhaps even fearing for their life. But then they generate an association and they move—you are right—they move those feelings. And this is also why it is so important to reunite the feeling with the memory, in order to generate that healing.

But yes, you are correct that if you can see where the feeling has moved to, such as the child that is afraid of being behind and therefore generates this fear of being in the back seat of a vehicle. In that, you can begin to see that the fear—the feeling of the fear--isn’t necessarily all-encompassing in that situation; it is in front of them. Therefore, what they do is they take that feeling and they move it to the front of their body consciousness. Therefore, it is likely centered around their face, the front of their body but in the front of their head. Something they can’t see, which would be their face.

Or, someone may translate that feeling and move it to an area of their body such as their back or their shoulders, in relation to a lack of support or of creating a feeling of oppression and pushing down on them. That may be held in their shoulders. Or they may move the feeling to something such as their feet, which they are translating that feeling of not being able to escape, not being able to move fast enough, and therefore they create pain in their feet. They create a feeling.

And that is also another significant piece, is that [with] many, many, many of these individuals, it is exceptionally common for individuals to transfer emotional feelings into physical feeling. Children don’t entirely understand emotional feeling expressions. Just as I have expressed many times, children don’t understand the concept of right and wrong THROUGH adolescence—not up TO adolescence, but THROUGH adolescence. They still don’t have a genuine working idea and understanding of the concept of right and wrong. They have a definite concept of consequence, but not why. And the reason is because they don’t have a functioning perception of constructs yet. And what are constructs? All the reasons why.

ANON: Okay.

ELIAS: This is the reason that they don’t quite understand right and wrong yet. They understand consequences, but they don’t understand why they have consequences, because they don’t understand why something is right and something is wrong yet. They don’t think in that type of abstract terms in which they can understand the emotional feelings; therefore, they translate them into physical feelings. And children become ill, or they create physical manifestations or they injure themselves, and they understand the physical expression of feeling more than the emotional expression of feelings.

And remember: it matters not, because ALL feelings are generated by the body consciousness.

ANON: Yes.

ELIAS: Therefore, whether it is physical or emotional, they are all being generated by the body consciousness. In this, you are correct that if there is an emotional feeling that they don’t understand, it is exceptionally common that they WILL move it in relation to their body consciousness.

ANON: Ah. Okay.

ELIAS: Therefore, you could actually find it in relation to physical feelings and physical expressions and what the body consciousness is doing.

ANON: Okay. So, Elias, if I understand you correctly, you would definitely say it is worth it to delve deeper into this, that feelings are moving inside and what kind of factors are influencing it? So, there is a huge potential?

ELIAS: Yes. I agree. Definitely.

ANON: And people so far haven’t actually—

ELIAS: [Inaudible] beneficial to you in aiding you in being able to more accurately assess what is happening and what is the trauma and how to address it.

ANON: Yes. That is what I want to do, because…Actually, did you give me the nudge to look that up, this information, my friend?

ELIAS: Repeat.

ANON: Did you give me a nudge to look that up? That moving… that feelings are moving in the body?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANON: Okay.

ELIAS: Because that could be very helpful.

ANON: My partner has a question—

ELIAS: And what I would say is, here is an example of moving that a step further with our example of the individual that incorporates the fear of the back seat of a vehicle. And in that, they may express to you what they think is a separate issue. They may come to you and say, “I have a tremendous fear of being in the back seat of a vehicle. I cannot ride in the back seat of a vehicle. AND, I also have another problem that I want to address to. I seem to be creating difficulties with my skin. And I seem to create these eruptions on my face, and it doesn’t seem to matter what I do or what products I use, it doesn’t clear.”

Now, the individual themself is speaking to you as if these are two entirely separate issues, when in actuality, if you are looking at the feeling moving and the translation of a feeling being put into a physical manifestation, and then also looking at how a child translates a situation, then you have the situation that the person is afraid of being behind.

And how does that translate in relation to the vehicle? Because their perception is directly in front of them. The fear is in front of them. Therefore, in the body consciousness it is the face, as we expressed, because they can’t see their own face. But it is in the head and in the face in relation to how they are translating it into a physical energy and a physical feeling. What would be a translation of that? Generating an irritation of the face and actual physical eruptions on the face. Therefore, it is ALL interconnected.

ANON: Wow. That is really tricky to find out. I mean, you have to be either seeing energy very clearly or you have to be engaging your intuition, and that will serve as an answer.

ELIAS: I agree.

ANON: (Sighs) I have one last question for my partner, before we are finishing. [She] just had her first knee-tapping session with a client. We were at least partly successful. She did not have any more memories, but a distant feeling of dread. And she followed that and did five rounds with the client. [She] was with her all the time. And she showed her the starting point being five years old, and then she led and my partner asked her questions, and they got deeper with more information every time. The last time, they asked you [about the readiness of that client], and you expressed that she was not ready. So, is she now ready? And how successful was my partner with the session?

ELIAS: I would say she is more ready. I would also caution you. Remember: It is extremely important that if you are using this method that you are very aware of the time, that the entire exercise and moving in that direction with an individual should not exceed fifteen minutes.

ANON: Oh.

ELIAS: Because it can be counterproductive and actually detrimental if you are engaging too much time. Any one session with an individual actually doing that exercise with that tapping should not exceed fifteen minutes.

ANON: Wow.

ELIAS: From beginning to end.

ANON: Okay.

ELIAS: Now, in that, I would say that yes, this can be very helpful, and I would say that the individual has generated some movement in opening, and therefore, that can also be beneficial and helpful. Therefore, I would be encouraging of you.

ANON: Okay. We have to stop, and we will have another session tomorrow. I mean, there is so much information about these hidden influences, Elias. It is unbelievable, you know?

ELIAS: I understand. I understand.

I would be exceptionally encouraging of you, my friend. And in this, I would also be expressing that I am offering my energy to you continuously in support.

ANON: Thank you.

ELIAS: In wondrous love, as always, until our next meeting, au revoir.

ANON: Au revoir, Elias.

(Elias departs after 1 hour 18 minutes)

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