Friday, December 15, 2017 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Linda (Ruthanna)

ELIAS: Good morning!

LINDA: Good morning, Elias.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) And what shall we discuss?

LINDA: Well, I’ve been wanting to ask you some energy questions for a while and end up talking about stuff going on in my life, so I thought well, maybe I would start with the energy questions and see how far that takes us, and maybe talk about me towards the end of the session.

ELIAS: Very well.

LINDA: Cool! Well, I’ve been working with Reiki and acupressure points for quite some time now, and I understand from information you’ve shared with me and with others about the channeling with the energy in Reiki, and I understand about activating the acupoints and the different processes for doing that, but I’m wanting to know a little bit more about what’s going on. When I have that touch and I’m working with that energy, is it sending information to the cells to heal, or is it actually doing the healing itself?

ELIAS: When you do the Reiki?

LINDA: Yes. Or use the acupressure points doing Reiki or otherwise.

ELIAS: Yes. You are.

LINDA: It’s actually healing? Or is it just sending information to the cells to heal?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, it is somewhat doing both, because what you are doing is you are manipulating or channeling the energy in that direction, to those cells. And in doing so, you are instructing and encouraging them to heal, therefore it is doing both. But the piece that is significant to remember is that the healing aspect comes from the willingness and the openness and the allowance of the subject to engage that. And the reason that I express "the subject" is because it isn’t necessarily another individual.

LINDA: Right.

ELIAS: It could be an animal. It could be you. It could be you doing it with yourself, and you automatically think that you doing it with yourself that you are doing it, therefore you must be open to it and allowing it. But that isn’t necessarily correct.

LINDA: Yeah. (Laughs)

ELIAS: You could be generating that action and also not necessarily be allowing it to be receptive. Meaning that if the subject isn’t allowing that reception, then the instruction and the healing is blocked. In a manner of speaking, it is as if the cells themselves create tiny shields around themselves to block out that energy, and then it isn’t successful.

But if that openness and that allowance is present, then the energy that you are projecting in the direction of the healing instructs the cells and encourages them TO heal, because it is instructing them in the direction of returning to their natural state. Are you understanding?

LINDA: Yes, yes, that makes sense. And so then like in traditions like Qi-Gong when they talk about intelligent Qi, that’s really what they’re talking about, is that it has the ability to convey the messages to the cells to regenerate or to heal?

ELIAS: Definitely. Definitely. Yes.

LINDA: So, one of the things—I know acupuncturists do this, and some people that do energy work, like Donna Eden I had trained with, they have this notion of sedating energy and tonifying energy, so sedating and strengthening. And I wasn’t clear one, whether that was an accurate description of what they were doing, but had some fuzziness with why we would sedate energy or have that intention, perhaps.

ELIAS: Ah! Now; that actually is an interesting choice of terminology, and I would express that, in a manner of speaking that is correct. And why that would be necessary—or perhaps not necessary, precisely, but that it would lend to the process more easily, for if the subject, even if it is the self, but if the subject is more in a sedated state, then there is more allowance. There is less resistance. Are you understanding?

LINDA: Hm. Yeah.

ELIAS: Let me express to you in this manner: when you engage a western physician, and the physician determines that you require a surgery, they don’t sedate you for the surgery only because of pain. That is part of the reason. But let me also express to you that before the inventions of anesthetics, in the early practices of physicians they would use cocaine as what you term to be an anesthetic.

Now, the point with using cocaine was that it would create that effect of numbing, but it didn’t sedate the patient in the capacity that the patient would be asleep, or in your terms unconscious. As they progressed in their development with anesthesia, physicians realized that the patients actually were more pliable and that they healed better, in a manner of speaking, if the entire body was sedated for certain procedures, that numbing a particular area of the body was beneficial but not quite enough, and there was more allowance, more pliable expression, if the individual was sedated.

Now in that, that concept actually applies in relation to anything that is foreign to an individual in healing that requires that allowance of the individual. Are you understanding?

LINDA: Yes. So like with the person I’ve been working with, one of the things I’ve been doing with him is prior to doing Reiki I do a pretty deep progressive relaxation that’s in a light state of hypnosis. So that might have the potential to increase the probability of him accepting the healing?

ELIAS: Yes.

LINDA: Okay.

ELIAS: Yes. It creates less resistance.

LINDA: Okay. Okay.

ELIAS: And for the less resistance that is being expressed, the more likely the individual is to accept the expression of healing, regardless of whether they understand objectively that they are the ones that are actually generating the healing. It matters not. If they are expressing no resistance to it, they will naturally incorporate that action of moving with the energy that you are projecting and allowing that to incorporate that healing action.

LINDA: Cool! Okay. There’s a segue off of that, but I think I’ll come back in a minute on it.

Shifting gears maybe a little bit—I’m not sure—I’m curious to know, if possible, how energy centers or the chakras relate to meridians. I tend to work with them separately, except maybe doing this thing called the microcosmic orbit in Qi-Gong.

ELIAS: And you are questioning how they move together?

LINDA: Yeah. Yeah.

ELIAS: First, how do you work with them separately?

LINDA: Like with the meridians, I do a variety of ways like tapping and tracing; and Qi-Gong, there is many different ways that you stretch or use pressure, different things to activate the meridians or the points on the path. And so, it’s sort of with the intent of releasing—

ELIAS: Correct, but why would you incorporate the perception that you are doing that independent of the energy centers?

LINDA: I think because I’m just not objectively aware. Like when I work with energy centers, it’s stuff that I've derived from you in sending energy out to the different parts of the body that benefit from the orange energy center and so forth. So I guess I’m just wondering if that then, if it flows along the meridians? I just didn’t know if there was a connection that would be beneficial to know.

ELIAS: What I would say to you is that the energy centers are entirely interconnected with all of that and any meridians, and therefore what I would say to you is you are manipulating and using the energy of the energy centers when you are doing that. You merely aren’t aware of it. But I would say to you that it is all interconnected. Therefore, if you are using one, you are using the other.

LINDA: Okay.

ELIAS: They aren’t independent of each other.

LINDA: Okay.

ELIAS: Because your energy centers are generating all of the energy of your body. They are ALL of the energy, the energy producers, the energy projectors of your body. Are you understanding?

LINDA: Yes. Yes. Yeah, I was picturing. (Both laugh) I was picturing it. Yes.

And I guess one of the things I was wondering is like do I need to know or… And some of this is trying to set a limit on what’s beneficial to know and what’s going too deep. But then, I don’t need to have a sense of like oh, this energy center works with these meridians and so forth?

ELIAS: No.

LINDA: Okay.

ELIAS: It actually isn’t necessary.

LINDA: Okay. Okay.

Yeah, I figured there was a potential I was trying to overcomplicate it, but in… (Elias laughs) which is no surprise, but in thinking about preparing to teach the First-Degree Reiki class I was going to be covering both. and I just thought, well, I use them and I just don’t think of them simultaneously, I think.

ELIAS: I would say to you that it is merely a matter of being aware that the energy centers are what is supplying all of the energy that you are using, in relation to the meridians.

LINDA: Okay. And it’s not necessary that I need to know or separate out meridians with energy centers?

ELIAS: Correct. Correct.

LINDA: Okay. All right. I think that answers that. And I may be going down another rabbit hole (Elias laughs) with the next question. And if nothing else, it’ll just move it off of the things I think about.

I’ve been wondering about the practical significance, if any, that the meridians are yin and yang, and they’re taught as the yin meridians are magnetic and the yang meridians are electric. And I was thinking of it in the context of the energy work that I do, and you had described to me one time that in Reiki, my hands are projecting electric energy.

ELIAS: Yes.

LINDA: And then the person’s body or the body that I’m touching is drawing it in as magnetic energy.

ELIAS: Correct.

LINDA: Am I remembering that correctly? Because I can’t find the session.

ELIAS: Yes.

LINDA: Okay. And that fits with in Chinese medicine that the yin is magnetic and yang is electric; it distributes the energy. But in working with meridians and doing Reiki or the touch work that I’m doing, is there a practical significance that some of the meridians are yin and some of the meridians are yang?

ELIAS: In what direction?

LINDA: In that in Reiki, if what I’m trying to do is channel energy so it—you know, electric energy with my hands that the person is going to pull in as magnetic, does it matter if I’m touching what would be a magnetic meridian or what would be an electric meridian or acupoint? Does that make sense?

ELIAS: Yes, I am understanding. No.

LINDA: Okay.

ELIAS: Because of the action that you are doing.

LINDA: Okay.

ELIAS: Therefore, if you are engaging Reiki, all of the energy that you are projecting is electric.

LINDA: Okay.

ELIAS: But it is all being received as magnetic, and the body will automatically generate the conversion.

LINDA: Okay. Okay. And would the same be true, like when I’m rubbing acupressure points or doing some kind of activating of acupressure points? It’s still channeling the electric energy and pulled in as magnetic?

ELIAS: Yes.

LINDA: Okay. Okay. Like I say, I didn’t know. I’m just trying to see that I know what I am actually doing.

The other question – and this had come up when I was doing the energy medicine training with Donna Eden’s course – and I don’t think I’ve asked you this question, but we talked about of it didn’t resonate. But I was curious to know whether muscle testing works in identifying a problem with stuck energy, whether it’s in a meridian or an acupressure point? Is that…?

ELIAS: Actually, yes.

LINDA: Okay.

ELIAS: Actually, I would express to you that yes, that can be successful and indicators, that when you are engaging with certain muscles and observing the response of certain muscles, I would say that that can be, if you are versed in energy and pressure points and the interconnectedness of different parts of the body consciousness, actually yes, that definitely can play a part.

LINDA: Okay. I think when I started with connecting meridians running through the body, through the fascia system and connective tissue, I think it started resonating with me more than it had when I was originally exposed to the subject.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

LINDA: Okay. And even, like sometimes the ones that have seemed more bizarre to me have been like individuals holding a substance, whether it’s a drug or something they’re going to eat, and someone doing the muscle testing and being able to identify by that contact whether or not the substance would be beneficial or harmful to them, would that be the same type of process?

ELIAS: That is one process and one direction, and yes, that can be effective. I would express that when you are evaluating different areas that are being affected by the body, it would not necessarily be a matter of the individual holding something to indicate to you, but the muscles in the body themselves are responsive in different manners, although it can be subtle. But they are responsive in different manners in relation to when there is a part of the body consciousness that is being affected.

Therefore, as an example: if the individual, let us say, is developing or generating some manifestation with a particular organ, let us say the liver, the manner in which they manipulate the muscles in their body changes slightly, and therefore you could actually generate an action, let us say asking the individual to hold out their arm level with their shoulder in a side position, and if you incorporated a slight amount of pressure pushing their arm down and ask the individual to generate resistance, you can feel the difference between the resistance of an individual with no affectingness with the liver and the individual that IS generating an affectingness with the liver. The muscles respond differently.

An individual that generates considerable health can also generate considerable and consistent resistance against pressure. An individual that is generating some type of physical manifestation will express less resistance.

I would also express that the nerves that are interconnected with muscles in relation to responses generally become more sensitive. Therefore, the automatic responses—reflexes—can become sharper.

LINDA: Yeah. And that what you say fits with some of the stuff I was learning in the class. Typically, the arm testing was pressing a part of the body or pinching it that related to that specific muscle. The differences were subtle, though, which makes—

ELIAS: They ARE subtle, but if that was a direction that interested you and if you wanted to pursue that, the differences are subtle but they are definitely there. And it does have merit.

LINDA: Right. I think I was resistant to the underlying notion of what they were doing, and I didn’t continue. I didn’t continue with it, but I might have more curiosity now, to play.

ELIAS: (Laughs) And I would express that that is also understandable, for many of these practices are also accompanied with the philosophy of the individuals or the organizations that are teaching them.

LINDA: Right. (Laughs) Yeah. And it’s hard to weave through that.

ELIAS: That it may be a part of your resistance. But I would express that in relation to merely the factor of muscle in relation to physical affectingnesses or manifestations, yes, there is a correlation, and it does generate an actual display of difference. But yes, the differences are subtle.

LINDA: Okay. And perhaps it relates to… I tend to experience my body somewhat more externally than internally. I think that’s changing over time, but it may be that I don’t feel it in my own body and so it has maybe not as easy a validity then.

ELIAS: I am understanding. But I would also express that as you expand and you become more self-aware and you experiment in different directions more, different displays may become more obvious to you.

LINDA: I hope so. That would be… (laughs)

ELIAS: Or, they may become more interesting to you. And I would say to you that in actuality it is merely a matter of what direction interests you, because that will be what you develop. And it isn’t a matter of if you don’t develop every direction that you won’t be efficient or effective; you will.

LINDA: (Laughs) And there’s just so many areas (laughs), so many directions, which I will save that segue for when we talk about me.

I wanted to circle back to the guy that I’ve been working with, (name removed), probably for twelve weeks, maybe a lot more than that, actually every week. And I’ve been working with him. He’s working specifically on his ankles. His collagen is disappearing, and I think he has bone-on-bone in his ankles in a significant number of places and he’s in a lot of pain, so he deals with chronic pain. And I’ve been working with him using Reiki, using hypnosis, instructing his body, using the acupressure points, like rubbing – teaching him, teaching him self-care methods. And he likes playing around with the energy centers and sending the energy to his body in the ways you’ve taught us to do.

But it’s such a chronic condition, and I know from reading in epigenetics, when you bend collagen crystals they get that piezoelectricity and start to regenerate, and what I’m doing is a very rough (laughs), a very blunt instrument, it seems like objectively. And I wondered if you would have any advice for me in working with him?

ELIAS: (Pause) Yes. Now I will encourage you in the next step.

LINDA: Okay. I’m ready.

ELIAS: The next step is genuinely recognizing that all—ALL—feelings are signals.

LINDA: Okay.

ELIAS: Whether they are emotional or physical. All signals are generated by the body consciousness, physical and emotional. ALL feelings can be "now" feelings or "then" feelings—ALL. That includes physical feelings. That includes pain.

When individuals generate chronic physical manifestations, this word “chronic” is the word that physicians have chosen as a description of any physical manifestation that is repetitive. (Linda chuckles) Anything that is generated repeatedly and consistently is termed to be chronic.

Now; chronic bronchitis or chronic pain is no different than chronic depression. One is an emotional feeling, one is a physical feeling. Both are signals. Both are feelings. Both are generated by the body consciousness. Both can be "now" feelings or "then" feelings.

When an individual is expressing a chronic physical manifestation, it is a "then" feeling. And just as with emotional feelings that are "then" feelings, they are triggered by what? What is a trigger? A trigger is merely a recalled or resurfaced memory. That is what a trigger is.

That can be sparked by anything. The spark happens in the now, but what it sparks is the recall of memory. And what happens with chronic situations is that the individual has developed a habit with that manifestation. Which is very easy to do, because the body targets one area, and it is easy for the body to continue to return to that same area in being affected.

In this, what happens is the individual generates some type of experience at some point, and with that experience they create that experience and they generate an association with it. And in the original experience, they generate some type of payoff, in a manner of speaking, that benefits them in some manner.

Now; benefit does not always mean comfortable, and it doesn’t always mean what the individual might think of as a good experience. Let us say that, as a hypothetical example, an individual creates some physical manifestation, some illness, to avoid some situation that they perceive to be worse, such as an abusive situation or a discounting situation, or a situation that creates significant anxiety. The individual creates a physical manifestation that they can, in a manner of speaking, cope with more effectively than whatever it is that they are avoiding. And that association is generated, and then when other situations arise that may be similar, they experiment and they create a similar physical manifestation.

Now; once they have done this perhaps three or four times, they have instructed the body in those three or four times to a degree and have evaluated and assessed – not in thinking, but energetically – that this is effective and efficient, and therefore they continue to do it.

Now; a habit can be developed in five repetitions. You can develop a habit by only repeating an action five times. As an aside, this is the reason that I express repeatedly the significance of practice and repetition, even in directions that you don’t believe, because this is the manner in which your body is structured,—

LINDA: "I like it again."

ELIAS: — and it responds to repetition very well and easily.

LINDA: So is that what I’m doing with my knee?

ELIAS: Now; I express to you that once an individual has developed a habit with a physical manifestation, they may not need that any longer. They may not be generating the payoff any longer, because it isn’t necessary. But now it is a habit, and therefore it becomes chronic.

The individual continues to generate the manifestation, and some manifestations they continue to generate even in relation to degenerative actions to their body: degenerating bone, degenerating cartilage, degenerating certain types of tissue, degenerating lung capacity—anything. Degenerating organ function. The individual can generate the habit to a degree and for an extended time framework in which they are actually creating damage to the physical body.

And then it becomes a circle, because then what occurs is the individual is generating the habit, and there is a spark in the now frequently of a "now" feeling, and that creates the trigger for the memory to be generated, and then you have the "then" feeling occurring again.

LINDA: So when you get into that situation like (name removed) and you objectively believe that you’ve worn your knee, you’ve worn your ankles out, what you’re saying is even if what I am doing might be working to some degree, then it’s constantly being undone, as his body is generating signals in response to what he’s doing.

ELIAS: It is a habit.

LINDA: Wow. So how the hell do you (laughs)…?

ELIAS: Ah. THAT is the question. What I would say to you is when you are engaging an individual that has generated a chronic manifestation, that is different from another individual that isn’t generating a chronic situation. Because with an individual that has created a chronic situation, they are then engaging with "then" feelings, and that is somewhat more challenging, because you are addressing to what is occurring now and the symptoms, but it is significant to also be addressing what they are doing that continues to perpetuate this chronic manifestation.

LINDA: So, in hypnosis—

ELIAS: And most individuals definitely—especially initially, but even after—are not necessarily willing to hear that they have created a habit of pain. I would express that most individuals’ response to that would be, “Why would I do that?” (Linda laughs) and “That is ridiculous. You can’t create a habit of pain, and why would I do it anyway?”

LINDA: Yeah, that would be tough. But I’m wondering…

ELIAS: Therefore, it is a matter of moving around that part, because what will immediately generate resistance. And it is a matter of incorporating gently addressing to both pieces, interconnecting them, the piece of what is occurring physically and the piece of what is occurring inwardly.

LINDA: And so is it necessary when exploring what is occurring inwardly to address what is occurring inwardly now, or also to go backwards in time and explore the then?

ELIAS: Both. Both,—

LINDA: So, would—

ELIAS: — because it is a matter of conditioned response. Therefore, it is significant to evaluate, or to attempt to evaluate, when the manifestation began. And not merely an event, but what was leading in the direction of that manifestation? That manifestation may have been accumulating for a year or longer.

In that, it is significant to begin with when the manifestation began, what was occurring at that time, but then also to encourage the individual to be exploring what led them in that direction to that point that created that break point, so to speak, in which the individual created a physical manifestation. And what were they doing with that physical manifestation? The physical manifestation was designed to avoid something.

LINDA: Right. And so could I do that with hypnosis and some of the methods I have in hypnosis?

ELIAS: Definitely. Definitely. Then it is a matter of slowly bringing the individual forward to present and recognizing what they do in the present that perpetuates the habit. What sparks create the triggers?

LINDA: And is it still also the component of a payoff, that there’s still some component…?

ELIAS: Not always. That is what I was expressing to you. Not always. They may not be generating a payoff any longer.

LINDA: Oh, over time. This was back in the beginning. Okay.

ELIAS: Correct. They may merely be generating the manifestation because it is a habit.

LINDA: Okay. But there is still a trigger?

ELIAS: They may not be generating any payoff any longer.

LINDA: Okay. But there’s still a trigger going forward in the now?

ELIAS: Yes.

LINDA: Okay. Now I understand. Okay. Okay. That makes sense. Well, it’s… I have to think a lot about how it would play out with (name removed), but I had an idea with regard to me and Brenda, because she’s trained in hypnosis as well. So, I think I may be on the path of developing—

ELIAS: I agree.

LINDA: And it’s with my knee?

ELIAS: I said I agree.

LINDA: Oh, you agree. Okay. And so, I think it’s in regard to my knee being on that path?

ELIAS: Yes.

LINDA: So I’m wondering if… because it’s not chronic. I mean, it’s probably five times now, so it may be a habit. But I’m wondering if Brenda and I might be able to explore with that, maybe in hypnosis and so forth?

ELIAS: Definitely. Definitely. And once again, that would also be an avenue that the two of you could engage that would be an excellent practice.

LINDA: Yeah. Yeah.

ELIAS: It will give each of you more information in relation to yourself, and it will also give you experience in practicing how to engage in this manner.

LINDA: Yeah. That would be fun to think about the process, and we’ve been wanting to play around more with the hypnosis again.

Well, that’s both exciting and really annoying. (Both laugh) I knew that.

ELIAS: And why is it annoying?

LINDA: (Laughs) Because it’s me. And I obviously knew there was something going on with my knee and assumed that it was a signal and that there was some benefit lurking beneath the surface. (Laughs) I seem to be creating situations in which I turn myself into a guinea pig.

ELIAS: (Laughs) I would express, that is considerably efficient. (Both laugh)

LINDA: Yeah.

ELIAS: For then you can experiment with yourself and not be apprehensive that you are experimenting with other individuals.

LINDA: Yeah. I think I still have some hesitation, especially on the psychological part, the inward component. I think it’s residual from (name removed) committing suicide and just not wanting to go too far down a path (laughs) with someone that might have vulnerability.

ELIAS: What I would say to you is merely remember to be gentle. Don’t push, don’t force, be gentle, and allow yourself to merely be guiding.

LINDA: I think one of the ongoing hurdles in working with other people is… I’m not sure what the verb is. The missing piece sometimes in terms of their motivation to engage in self-care, rather than just looking to me. And I have a sense (name removed)’s issues totally—

ELIAS: This has been perpetuated considerably, that individuals look outside of themselves—

LINDA: Right.

ELIAS: — for something to fix them.

LINDA: Right.

ELIAS: And in that, let me express to you, you don’t have to take on that responsibility, but you also don’t have to be tremendously informing the other individual that they are doing the healing.

LINDA: Yeah. (Laughs)

ELIAS: You can work with them. You can allow them to think that you are healing. You know that they are doing it. You can be aware when they are resistant and when they are not. And in that, YOU know that they are actually generating the actual healing element themself. You are the facilitator. You are the guide in helping them, but it doesn’t matter that they are aware of that or not.

LINDA: Okay. Okay. (Laughs) That helps. It’s a tricky balance sometimes between being… in regard to educating and sharing information.

ELIAS: Yes. I am aware.

LINDA: Okay. Well and I have a sense in regard to this individual that he’s rather… he’s been open to everything I’ve talked to him about, but moving in this new direction I think it’s an area in which individuals would probably feel somewhat vulnerable. So I’d be curious to see how he would respond.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

LINDA: Okay. Well, that was very useful direction to move into. You did your Elias thing. We ended up getting around to talking about me (laughs) with a very nice foundation. (Elias laughs) Very well.

ELIAS: I am tremendously encouraging of you, my friend, and I would express that this was a presentment of excellent questions.

LINDA: Well, thank you. It’s been very, very helpful. Pieces are coming together. (Both laugh) When my body's not falling apart. (Both laugh) Only select pieces, so… all right. Well, off to experiment for the next month, then.

ELIAS: Very well. And I shall be offering my energy in great encouragement.

LINDA: Thank you. I’ll be receiving it happily. (Both laugh)

ELIAS: In tremendous lovingness to you, my dear friend, as always, and in great supportiveness, au revoir.

LINDA: You too. Au revoir.

(Elias departs after 1 hour 3 minutes)

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