Experiencing Interconnectedness
Topics:
Session 20170910
“Experiencing Interconnectedness”
“Fragmentation”
“The Next Step: Mergence”
“Intentional versus Automatic”
“Constructs and Accepting Differences”
“Challenge Motivates Practice”
Sunday, September 10, 2017 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael), Debbie (Tamarra) and Phil (Patre)
ELIAS: Good morning!
DEBBIE: Good morning, Elias.
ELIAS: (Laughs) And how are you proceeding?
DEBBIE: We’re having fun. I’m waiting for Phil to return from the lavatory, so I will chat with you for a moment. (Both laugh)
ELIAS: Very well.
DEBBIE: Thanks for being so close with me, Elias. I feel you all the time. I feel like I’m trusting in myself in those interactions more and more, with Tompkin, Lawrence and you especially. And that’s been really fun, just to know that you’re there and that we’re conversing in different ways.
ELIAS: Excellent.
DEBBIE: Yes. Phil’s back. (Laughs) (To Phil) Do you want to say hello?
PHIL: Hello.
DEBBIE: It’s Elias.
PHIL: Oh! Hi Elias. (Both laugh)
DEBBIE: He asked how we’re proceeding.
PHIL: Ah. (Elias laughs) We’re proceeding quite well—quite challenging and quite rewarding.
ELIAS: Ah! Challenging AND rewarding.
DEBBIE: Well, you did say when we first objectively met that challenge is quite actually going to be my way of being, I think until the end of my focus. It’s what I’ve signed up for, it’s what I’ve actually embraced now, it’s what I see as my biggest way to be becoming more in this focus. And I’m quite comfortable with a challenging lifestyle, and it can be very calm and peaceful and quite exhilarating and full of vitality to be present more and more.
ELIAS: (Laughs) Congratulations!
DEBBIE: Thank you.
PHIL: And I would say that us being here and doing what we’re doing, after being sequestered more or less for a couple of years, for us to be here within this atmosphere, this environment, has offered both of us TREMENDOUS opportunities. And I speak for myself especially, to discover more about myself within this environment and the challenges that have presented. And it’s been amazing to me that we’ve been able to be here and interact with these individuals and yet not completely, but to be comfortable and calm and ease-full within this environment, and to realize that we can be… hm... what I’ll say caring and considerate and yet still without accommodating, and still accomplishing what we want to accomplish. That’s been a tremendous, positive movement, I think, and what we’re doing here has been very exciting.
ELIAS: Congratulations. And I would be acknowledging of both of you, and encourage both of you to genuinely be acknowledging yourselves also, for these are significant accomplishments.
PHIL: Thank you, Elias.
DEBBIE: Before we move into what’s happening in our world, Tompkin gave me out a teaser that there was a being, an individual, an essence that’s always been with me, and I was looking at a physically-focused person in my life and he wouldn’t give me any more. I had thought that that might be you, that’s been with me always in this focus. Would that be accurate?
ELIAS: Yes. Yes. Correct.
DEBBIE: So that’s why you feel so familiar, that almost…that idea again, like even when we’re interacting with our own essence or those essences that resonate so close to our own, in a manner of speaking, that you almost can’t tell.
ELIAS: Yes.
DEBBIE: Because it’s so fluid. Yes.
ELIAS: Yes.
DEBBIE: So, well, that’s nice. And Phil also thought perhaps, last night he had mentioned that again, talking about our bonded situation and that that also was that idea that we’ve been together well before we even knew each other in this physical focus. And that also lent to that, how familiar and how quickly we came together. And you helped us so much move through those early first couple of years, Elias. Every time we’ve spoken objectively, it’s helped with, like you said, that healing that we had to walk through, in a manner of speaking, to get to where we are. We’re just so appreciative. We’re so pleased with ourselves and with I’ll call it life, and just want to again thank you for everything.
ELIAS: You are exceptionally welcome. And I would credit the two of you with all of that movement, the willingness to look at challenging subjects and address them, and your willingness to move together in cooperation and to discover how to be honoring of yourselves individually but also maintaining a relationship and generating that harmony – which can be challenging. But you have expressed that willingness to do it throughout the entire time, and I would acknowledge you tremendously in that. For I acknowledge the challenges that you have presented to yourselves, and they have, in some capacities, been significant. And in that, you have chosen to weather the storms, and you have come out of them much more self-aware and stronger and much more self-empowered, which is tremendous.
DEBBIE: Thank you. I don’t know; with that being said, it’s all related. So, why would we agree, you and I, for example, for you to accompany me so closely from the onset of my physical focus here? Are you understanding what I’m asking? (Both laugh)
ELIAS: Are you asking what the agreement was?
DEBBIE: Yes, I am.
ELIAS: What I would say to you is, in a manner of speaking, there was no agreement. That we have been interconnected for… no time.
DEBBIE: Understood.
ELIAS: No time, but always.
DEBBIE: Yes.
ELIAS: And in that, is there an agreement to be connected? (Debbie laughs) No, you merely are.
DEBBIE: Yes.
ELIAS: We are connected. We are interconnected. And in that, the difference is that you chose to be aware of that and explore it in an objective capacity.
Let me express to you, my friend, in a very genuine capacity, the interconnectedness that you experience and that you feel and that you are aware of with myself or with your partner, you have that interconnectedness with every other individual, every other essence. You merely haven’t chosen to objectively experience it yet or explore it. And that doesn’t necessarily mean that you generate an objective, classified relationship with every other individual, but that you are as aware. You are as self-aware with that as you are with myself or your partner. And that IS the direction that you are moving in.
PHIL: Nice.
DEBBIE: Beautiful.
ELIAS: Which I am tremendously acknowledging of, for you are moving very quickly.
PHIL: It feels like it.
DEBBIE: It feels beautiful. (Both laugh)
PHIL: I suggested yesterday that our awareness, just as you said, is increasing exponentially. And I feel like that’s because we have chosen this and we’ve chosen, in particular since we’ve been together, to take our time and to have our attention on this.
ELIAS: I would very much agree.
PHIL: And not being in a hurry, and really being aware of what is happening inside of us. I know I just went through a couple of days here of… I won’t call it struggling, because it wasn’t struggle, but I felt like I was having feelings come up and I needed to see where they were coming from and what might be…I won’t say the cause of them, because I’m bringing them to myself, but this idea that I am allowing myself to have the feelings and then move in a self-directed way to understand myself better through them, without giving too much attention to them and letting them direct what I’m doing.
ELIAS: I would agree. And I would be tremendously acknowledging of that. And I would say to both of you, in relation to this subject and your question, what is considerably significant is that you have, each of you, given yourselves factors of a focal point and learning. And those two factors are myself and each other. That you have given yourselves a physical and a non-physical avenue to reveal information to yourselves – not to GIVE yourselves information, because you already have it, but to reveal it to yourselves in the capacity of knowledge and experience.
And in that, that has been the manner in which both of you have allowed yourselves to move in that direction of becoming more and more and more self-aware, and therefore expanding. And that is tremendous.
PHIL: Mm. Thank you for that, Elias.
ELIAS: You are very welcome.
DEBBIE: It’s interesting too: When we were talking to Tompkin, Tara had asked a question that we asked of Tompkin for her about she was curious about a connection she had with an individual and wondered if the fragmentation would reveal and answer her question. Tompkin, very wondrously, sparked a curiosity in me when he answered that question for Tara, because when he said the individual she was asking about was currently expressing through a fragmentation of, I’ll call it X-Y-Z—now that was very curious to me and very fascinating, and showed the movement and how nothing’s static. Meaning, this individual asked, and perhaps years ago he was fragmented from X and Y. But the way Tompkin said it sparked in me a wider understanding. He was pretty much saying this individual was now expressing through, if we want this detail, a fragmentation of X, Y and Z. And that showed me such a fluidity in how we merge and not call it unmerge, but how we come together and move apart in that flow of consciousness. Are you hearing what I’m saying? Am I making myself clear?
ELIAS: Yes. Yes.
DEBBIE: Can you speak to that? Like I said, I was just fascinated. I’m holding that as a curiosity and want to explore more. But other than the idea that that is actually how it works, so to speak, that fluidity, can you add to that, Elias?
ELIAS: I would express that you are actually explaining it accurately. And in that, if you are paying attention—and dependent upon what you are looking at and what you are paying attention to—you can see that it is not as singular as you automatically think, that nothing is a singular as you automatically think. You think of fragmentation almost in the same capacity as you think of birth.
DEBBIE: Yes. Yes. (Phil laughs) Parental.
ELIAS: You think of whatever was fragmented is the same as whatever was birthed, and therefore, you think of that as being an entirely different, new, separate entity, and it is not that black and white. And in that, the qualities of the fragmented essence include all of the qualities of the fragmenting essences, and the fragmenting essences don’t lose anything. A piece of them is not gone because there is a fragmented essence that has been created. It is not singular or separate in those capacities.
In actuality, even how I express information to all of you, I do it in a specific manner because that is what you know and what you understand and what you can accept. But even in what I express to all of you, there is a considerable factor that includes separation and singularity that in actuality doesn’t exist. It exists in relation to perception, but it does not exist if perception is removed. And as I have expressed previously, perception is a mechanism that is associated with physical realities only, because it is necessary for physical reality. Without perception there would be no physical manifestations. There would be no matter, therefore it is exceptionally important in relation to physical reality. But when you remove perception, all of these divisions, all of these singularities, all of these separations don’t exist.
Therefore, there is no definition between essences. There is no singularity between them. But then conversely, and in your reality, this appears to be a paradox, but in actuality it isn’t. Regardless that there is no singularity, that there is no separation, there remains individuality.
DEBBIE: Yes. And we’re able to hold that.
ELIAS: Most definitely. I would express that this is a very difficult concept for most individuals, because you are perceiving from that perspective of singularity and separation. But in that, I would express individuals very frequently question and are confounded, in a manner of speaking, with the subject of death, because in their perception not only does death generate a separation, but then when they consider what happens after death, they incorporate the idea that eventually they themselves are absorbed into this greater being or entity, which is essence—which is actually entirely incorrect. That as much as I express to all of you while you are occupying physical focus that you ARE essence, after death you as an individual remain that individual, but also there is no separation and no singularity.
PHIL: Ah, nice. Going to be working with that one for a while. (Both laugh)
DEBBIE: You know, there were questions before, along with this kind of expanded ideas about fragmentation, let’s say for example. And in the past, people would say, “Have we fragmented? Have I myself fragmented?” (Elias laughs) So, it’s interesting. Now I’m going to take this new piece, and I’m going to take my little piece and apply it to everything that I’m going to look at now with that little bit different piece of awareness. So, that being said—
ELIAS: As I have expressed to all of you previously, you are yourselves always fragmenting.
DEBBIE: Right. Exactly.
ELIAS: I would express this is a very natural, automatic action. Your own bodies are, in a manner of speaking, an example of that. Cells are an example of that. Do cells require an agreement to divide? No, they do it. They automatically are dividing and expanding and becoming, continuously, and you are also. And in that, you are continuously fragmenting, and other new essences, in a manner of speaking, are generated. That is part of the continuous action of expansion of consciousness. It is always expanding.
DEBBIE: Funny, from this place, this calm place, the questions, or even the questions or the curiosities, I’ll say, in a manner of speaking pastly, don’t hold their same (chuckles)… What’s the word I’m looking for?
PHIL: Grab.
DEBBIE: Right. It’s not insistent, if you will. There’s such a calmness. (Both laugh) Because if I AM curious about something, I will turn, in a manner of speaking, sideways, and I will experience what I’m curious about.
ELIAS: Precisely. And I would express congratulations in that. That is a significant movement.
DEBBIE: Thank you.
PHIL: It feels like this is our next step or step that we’re currently engaged in, is exploring these interconnections. And because of our awareness, because of the expansion of our own awareness, that we are able to assimilate these ideas of the interconnection and actually give ourselves examples of the interconnection, particularly with the members of this area, this environment that we’re currently in, with the nature that we’re interacting with, with creatures of nature that are making themselves known to us.
DEBBIE: Revealing? (Laughs)
PHIL: Revealing. Yes. Good word. (Both laugh)
ELIAS: And I would agree with you. I would agree that you are on the brink of that next step. Which is the step, in a manner of speaking, beyond the awareness of connecting, which is the awareness of merging.
DEBBIE: Ah.
PHIL: Ah. And that’s come up a lot of times in the last couple of months, not only with you but with Lawrence and Tompkin as well.
ELIAS: In merging, you experience very differently. For, I would express that if you are, let us say, engaging your inner senses, and you are engaging your empathic sense to aid you in connecting with anything else besides yourself, what you will experience is you experience what the other being is experiencing. Therefore, let me use a very simple example.
Let us say that you are empathically connecting with another individual, and they are experiencing a pain in their hand. You will experience that pain – in THEIR hand, not in your hand. You will feel it and experience it and be aware of it, but you will also do that in their hand and not feel it in your hand. Or if you are merging with a tree, let us say, or in that you stop generating a differentiation between yourself and the tree, there is no image or body of the tree, and there is no image or body of you. They are one and the same, because you are merged with it. If you are connecting with it, you may feel the strength of the tree. You may feel the growing of its roots. You don’t feel that in your feet; you feel it in the tree. But if you are MERGED with it—or if you are merged with the individual that you felt the pain in their hand, if you merged with that individual—you feel the pain, but it is diffused and you don’t connect it with any body—not your own, not the other individual’s. It merely is a feeling or an experience that you are engaging, but it isn’t specifically identified with a particular body part or with yours or theirs, for there is no distinction between the two.
PHIL: Wow.
ELIAS: Therefore, that is the step that you are on the brink of exploring. You have been exploring that connection and interconnectedness with yourselves and your world, and you have been becoming more and more self-aware .
Now in the next step, you can move in that direction of being aware of that mergence—not that you are intentionally doing it, although you can, but you are already continuously. And therefore it is an expansion of your self-awareness, that you become objectively aware at times that you ARE doing that, that you are experiencing that and that there IS no distinction between one manifestation and another. In a manner of speaking, you become as the air. (Chuckles)
PHIL: Wow.
DEBBIE: One of the things we’ve noted with Phil and I, one of the quote-unquote “different components” that we built for ourselves, me being dispersed and him being nondispersed—and we’ve talked before about empathic in a way associating that with the nondispersed, being able to direct it, in a manner of speaking, where in my dispersedness it’s a different type of action. I’m just saying that mostly to get to this point: With those two seemingly different ways of connecting under this idea of mergence, can you speak to that for us?
ELIAS: Very well. And that is very simple. I would express that it is the same and that it actually generates no difference, because the action is the same and it is always happening; it is merely that you incorporate this objective awareness and perception, and therefore you are not aware of it happening – but it is, continuously, happening.
In that, it is not actually even a matter of dispersed versus empathic sense, because neither of those factors adds or subtracts or encourages that awareness of that mergence. This is about being self-aware. And in increasing your self-awareness, just as you have become more and more aware of your interconnectedness with everything, that matters not—whether you are engaging your empathic sense or whether you are a dispersed individual, that is not actually a factor. It is a factor of expanding your self-awareness, that you become objectively aware of what is, what already is in that interconnectedness, and this is another step in that. In becoming more self-aware and expanding that more, then you are becoming objectively aware of this other natural expression that is happening and that you naturally do in merging. And in becoming aware of it, you see how it is affecting, how it is influencing—and also how you can intentionally use it.
That is the point of this shift and this expansion and becoming more and more self-aware, is to be moving in that direction of being intentional—living your life, engaging everything you engage, in an intentional capacity. Knowing, genuinely knowing that every aspect of your reality, every moment of your reality, is a choice and you are creating it—and therefore, being intentional.
Which is a much greater movement than most individuals realize, for I would express that there is a considerable amount of time that all of you engage still, regardless of how much information you have and how much you are expanding and how much you are experiencing being present, that you also express automatically. You generate a tremendous amount of time in your day that is automatic, that you aren’t necessarily paying attention to. All of these actions that you do every day in your routines you are not necessarily paying attention to; you are automatically doing them. You are not actually aware: “This is a choice. I am choosing it in this moment, and for what reason? And I am actually creating every aspect of this.”
I would express that it is not that it is some action that you must be thinking about every moment of every day—no, but that you are aware of. There are so many moments in your day, every day, that you aren’t paying attention to. And this is the reason that I continue to emphasize so strongly paying attention to all of those moments, because those moments are more than the moments that you actually ARE paying attention and ARE aware.
In this, when you are walking through a room, when you are picking up your mail, when you are visiting the washroom, when you are taking a shower, when you are brushing your teeth, when you are walking in a circle – it matters not. There are so many moments in your day that you aren’t aware of. And ALL of those moments you are generating choices, and all of those moments you are projecting certain types of energy, and all of those moments are creating a familiarity of energy that becomes automatic. And then, when you present yourself with a challenge and you have questions about it, you don’t understand what you are doing, and you have those questions because you weren’t paying attention in all those moments that you are generating all those automatic, mundane actions and how you do them – even when they don’t involve any other individual.
This is the piece that most individuals don’t realize. Even in actions such as brushing your teeth or combing your hair or getting dressed, or whether you make your bed or not, or WHEN you make your bed if you do, or how you brew your coffee or how you drink your coffee, or how you walk across a room, how you open and close doors. All of those actions are all choices, and they seem objectively to be insignificant. And, because you are doing them alone or you are not involving any other individual with those choices, how can they possibly be influencing in relation to how you interact with other individuals? But they are; they are tremendously, because they form patterns in you.
How do you brush your teeth? How do you comb your hair? I would wager to express that you likely do it the same every day. In that, you are generating a consistent energy of not only routine—not only routine—but that action should be done in a certain manner. Your behavior should be expressed in a certain manner, in a certain direction. And therefore, when you present yourself with something in which another individual expresses differently, it is more emphasized because difference is not acceptable. That doesn’t move with the routine. It is disruptive. You don’t think about that combing your hair in a particular manner every day influences difficulty with other individuals expressing different than yourself.
Now that doesn’t mean that you should comb your hair differently every day—it isn’t a matter of that. It is a matter of being aware that you are doing it and why, because it is a matter of all of those constructs, not your beliefs or your belief systems. In themselves, they are neutral. They are merely guiding you through your reality. But all of the COUNTLESS constructs that you have around all of your beliefs, that is different. And unlike beliefs, they can be eliminated. It is not actually necessary to eliminate them, but let me express to you that you actually DO, in a manner of speaking, eliminate them in a manner when you realize what they are and they become unimportant.
Therefore, you comb your hair in a particular manner every day with a construct attached to it: the why and the reason for. Those are the constructs. Anything that is a why or the reason for, those are constructs. Why do you comb your hair a certain direction every day? What is the reason for that? You have one. It doesn’t mean you have to change it, but when you know what it is, then in many, many, many situations, actions, circumstances, it becomes unimportant.
Therefore, you do it because you choose to, because you want to, but you don’t have to. And you know that; you know it is merely a choice. And in that, when you are presented with a difference with another individual, the difference isn’t as emphasized. It is not as important, because YOU aren’t directing your energy in such a rigid direction – even when you think you are not a rigid individual. (Both laugh)
That is the significance of becoming aware of that next step of mergence, because it aids you in recognizing all these constructs. It aids you in being more present. It aids you in not generating such importance in relation to differences. And when those differences become less important, you can more easily be present. If you ARE present, then you aren’t being reactive. Therefore, you generate a very different circle.
I would express that even without significant experiences of mergence, you have already begun moving in this direction, and you have already begun implementing it through your exploration of interconnectedness. And you have already given yourselves the experience of lessening some importances that in previous time frameworks were likely very important to you. How another individual speaks to you [is] very important: must be respectful, must be considerate. This all circles around to what I have expressed repeatedly about guidelines and how yes, they are important FOR YOU, but they are not applicable to other individuals. But you make them important in relation to other individuals, because you continue to project them to other individuals: “This is what is important to me; therefore, this is what you should do.”
But as you expand your self-awareness and you move in the direction of being more and more aware of that interconnectedness, and more and more aware of you and choices and what you are creating, what other individuals are creating that is different becomes less and less important. And therein lies the harmony and the cooperation. It doesn’t mean you have to agree. It doesn’t mean you have to change what you do or your own direction. Individuals have a considerably convoluted idea of cooperation. They very much view cooperation in the direction of compromise, and it is not. There is nothing to be sacrificed in cooperation. And YOU are not obligated to change you or your opinions or what is important to you. You find that cooperation when difference becomes less important.
PHIL: That was beautiful, Elias.
DEBBIE: Thank you.
ELIAS: And I am tremendously acknowledging of both of you, for you are well on your way. (Laughs) And I would also be acknowledging of you and encouraging of you, because being well on your way, as you already see, you will present to yourself considerable challenges to practice. (Both laugh) There is no motivation for practice if there is no challenge.
DEBBIE: This is true. (Both laugh)
ELIAS: Therefore, you are giving yourselves considerable opportunities to be aware and to practice, and you wouldn’t necessarily do that if you weren’t ready. That doesn’t mean that you wouldn’t present to yourself difficulties if you were in a different position with your awareness, but the reason would be different. For in that, if you weren’t at the awareness that you are now, you wouldn’t be presenting to yourself challenges to practice to become more and more aware; you would merely be mirroring to yourself what you project in what you don’t like, which is very different. And your response or your reaction to it—your reactions to it—would be different and would merely continue to perpetuate it.
But in this, you are not in that position at this point. You are presenting challenges to yourself to give yourself the opportunity to be aware of them and to observe them and to choose, because now you are giving yourself that objective gift of choice, that you always have choice in every moment.
[The timer for the end of the session rings]
PHIL: Most excellent.
ELIAS: Which is a magnificent expression to be aware of. Therefore, I would express to each of you, congratulations in moving into majesty. (Pause)
DEBBIE: (Emotionally) Thank you, Elias.
ELIAS: You are exceptionally welcome. I offer my energy to each of you in that majesty. In tremendous lovingness and in gratitude, until our next meeting, my dear friends.
PHIL: Our dearest love to you, Elias. Thank you for everything.
ELIAS: Au revoir.
PHIL: Au revoir.
DEBBIE : Au revoir.
(Elias departs after 1 hour)
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