Wednesday, March 22, 2006 (Private/Phone)

Participants Mary (Michael) and Victoria (Marlies)

Elias’ arrival time is 2 seconds.

ELIAS: Good morning!

VICTORIA: Hey Elias, how are you?

ELIAS: As always and yourself?

VICTORIA: Good, good, I just talked to you a few weeks ago, it feels so close; to be continuing! (Elias laughs) I just want to basically continue from where we left off. I don’t know if you remember, do you remember? (Elias cracks up)

ELIAS: Continue.

VICTORIA: Okay, we touched upon my brother, and the question I could’ve left it with is does he have anything to do with the energy exchange and you said yes, and we left it right there; me and my brother have definitely been hoping to be talking more on it, so I guess I’m ready. What I’d like to do is talk about his alignment and belonging. I’m really trying to get impressions and I’m kind of having difficulty with it, but there’s a few families that come into mind, I’m thinking Sumari, and I assumed he was Zuli, but I’m not really sure whether any of those fit in, if you can help me.

ELIAS: Sumari is correct.

VICTORIA: Which one?

ELIAS: Sumari is correct.

VICTORIA: Belonging to Sumari?

ELIAS: Yes, and the alignment is Zuli.

VICTORIA: Zuli, okay yeah. Was he Common?

ELIAS: Yes.

VICTORIA: And then when number of focuses came to mind it was 982 it just came to mind this morning.

ELIAS: Yes.

VICTORIA: Was he a final focus?

ELIAS: No.

VICTORIA: No, is there another manifestation of him in this timeframe?

ELIAS: Yes.

VICTORIA: Would there ever be a chance that I would meet this person?

ELIAS: It is unlikely.

VICTORIA: Unlikely. So it was his death maybe 17-18 years ago that prompted me to start reading the Seth Material and I just wondered if his role and his death was what obviously pushed me into this information to begin with. Is that the manner of which you’re speaking that’s had an effect on it, or is it that I might be communicating with his Essence, I’m not really sure, I’m trying to get a sense of how his influence is, my exchange. Do you understand my question?

ELIAS: Yes.

VICTORIA: I don’t feel so articulate when I speak with you. (Elias laughs)

ELIAS: I am understanding. In this, at times you are engaging an exchange with that essence. But more often that essence is contributing energy in supportiveness in you engaging other essences.

VICTORIA: Yeah, I have many interesting dreams, quite a few years ago I had a dream with him and my father, and they were playing with like a drum or something and he was looking at me in this encouraging way and I feel that that was kind of an indication like you say encouraging me to open up in that way.

ELIAS: Yes.

VICTORIA: You know, he kind of had a short life and it was very tragic at the end, I’m not sure if you know, I’m not really sure how much I need to go on with what I need to tell you. Are you aware of the story behind it or do I need to go into a description?

ELIAS: Offer a description.

VICTORIA: Well, he died kind of in a mysterious manner to all of us, we’re not really sure. He told us one story, and my sister, when we talked about it she said that she didn’t really believe that that’s really what happened. And, so it’s not really so important to me but it sticks with me and I’m wondering if the story he offered or the story that my sister suggests, which one was how it really happened? Do I need to go into descriptions or is that enough information for you?

ELIAS: Describe.

VICTORIA: Well, he claimed that somebody knifed him basically and my sister says actually it was suicidal, and so I’m wondering what the true story was. Was that enough for you?

ELIAS: Yes. First of all, let me explain what I am engaging with you in this. The reason that I request explanation is not to be gathering information so to speak, but rather to be engaging your energy while you are offering the description; are you understanding?

VICTORIA: Oh yes, very much so.

ELIAS: Now, I may express to you in response to your question, the reason that you generate confusion or questioning in regard to this subject is that YOU are correct. The response to the question is not either or, it is both.

VICTORIA: Yeah.

ELIAS: Which has been your confusion for your intuition believes both stories, but that appears to be a paradox. In actuality it is not. For someone was him. It was not an involvement of another individual, but both stories are correct.

VICTORIA: And he kind of believed what his story was? I mean, that he had to tell that story; I don’t know.

ELIAS: That provided in his perception a more excusable explanation.

VICTORIA: To cross?

ELIAS: Yes.

VICTORIA: For my mother?

ELIAS: In his perception that was a more excusable explanation. And therefore in his perception, was less harsh and also provided an avenue in which he could accomplish what he chose, but also avoid responsibility for that choice.

VICTORIA: Yeah, because he, I mean he stuck around for another five years after the incident, and uh, he wasn’t physically functioning, and I guess that was something we all had to grapple with as a family. I often have a lot of guilt around it and especially because I felt like I wasn’t present, so this is a big issue for me, as you can probably feel.

ELIAS: Guilt is…

VICTORIA: I know it’s a waste, I know.

ELIAS: Let me express to you my friend, this is entirely unnecessary. It is the choice of the other individual. And whether you were interactive in any capacity or not, matters not and would not change that choice. I may express to you an understanding of you incorporating personal responsibility and therefore generating guilt in relation to the other individual and their choice, for this is a very commonly expressed direction with many many many individuals.

What is important for you to understand; which is the basis of this information, is that each individual creates their own reality, every moment of it every choice every manifestation, in this, regardless of what you do in association with another individual’s choice of death, that is one choice that regardless of your participation with another individual, their choice would not alter regardless of what you do or your participation or your involvement.

Even in a situation in which one individual is a perpetrator and one individual is a victim, even in that type of situation, where one individual intends to murder another individual, if that individual is not choosing death, the effort of the perpetrator will be thwarted and will not succeed. And this holds in the reverse also. If an individual chooses death, there is no action that you can engage that shall alter that choice.

VICTORIA: I understand that, I mean I’ve read the Seth material and your material, it’s just grappling with my beliefs about it, my guilts around it, although I understand, I’ve had many dreams with him and he’s been very communicative and has been expressing his love, I’ve never felt through my dreams anything other than the fact that he’s in a joyful place I guess, and he’s very happy in where he’s at now. So I don’t…

I understand it, but there’s you know, of course it just lingers and you know, just hearing what you tell me about the way it happened and occurred, and it’s hard to think that he attempted this suicide, yet he hung on for five years without being able to swallow, and it’s just...and I understand that it’s part of the Zuli alignment, because he was so physically agile all his life, was always so athletic, he could do anything with his body and then he goes through that, it’s such a…I guess I don’t want to go much deeper in this subject now, I think I’ll kind of take it step by step with you.

ELIAS: Very well.

VICTORIA: We’ll just kinda leave it at that for now.

ELIAS: Very well. I am understanding.

VICTORIA: There are some other questions I’d like to get to. I have actually a childhood memory that I’d like to run by you and just get your impression on it. You know we talk about our intention and the remembrance, when you say that we have lost the remembrance but I have this really early childhood memory, I didn’t learn to walk until I was one year old, so I know I was younger than a year old and I was in a room with my mother and a friend of hers.

I was hanging on to the edge of a coffee table, I know I wasn’t quite standing yet and I remember at one point looking in the room, looking over but it was almost like my emergence into physical reality, and just before I think I completely emerged. I had what I believe was my own Essence telling me ”You look out into this room and you see these people and you realize that what they see now is the child you are presenting to them, but you are more than that and remember that”. And this has always stuck with me. I’m assuming that was the voice of remembrance telling me how I need to remember. Am I correct in that that was my point of emergence?

ELIAS: Yes.

VICTORIA: I always felt that this thing just stuck through my whole life with me, knowing that in a sense I do remember from that memory. And it actually didn’t come back to me until my brother’s death. I don’t even know really what I’m trying to get at, I just feel somehow the whole thing about my brother dying was for me to remember. And in that sense he was also kind of understanding that he was benefitting me in that way.

ELIAS: Yes.

VICTORIA: Yeah, he never intended to stay here long, he came and went so quickly and I never felt he was comfortable in this physical reality. He didn’t really relate to it.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

VICTORIA: I guess this is kinda the subject that maybe I should have brought up at the end of it. I had a dream the other night that I’d like to talk to you about. It was a nightmare; I woke up feeling almost afraid to wake up into my room, it was really strange.

All I remember is that it was a lot of death and carnage and corpses and my expressing agony and it just had this visual in my head of these corpses and there was a lot of gruesome murdering going on and at one point I was standing up on a ridge and one of the threats, you know, the being that was creating this carnage, was pointing some kind of weapon at me.

It looked like some kind of tube with a light coming out of it, he was pointing it at me and I remember looking down on it thinking, ”You can point that thing at me but you’re not going to be successful in what you’re intending on doing with it”. And it was almost like teasing that edge, looking at it and him, and he was seeing the weapon pointing at me and saying to myself that I would not allow this. I don’t really understand this dream, I mean when I woke up it really felt like a nightmare, you know? I don’t have nightmares very often, but occasionally. Maybe you can give me some kind of insight.

ELIAS: This is another focus.

VICTORIA: I was thinking that. This is another focus, future?

ELIAS: Past. You as the individual in that focus, in your terms, were a small one. And therefore, what appeared to you as a tube was actually a gun. This would be in the time framework of your past century, prior to midpoint in association with your World War. It would be in the physical location of Poland.

In that moment you were correct, and you did not choose death in that moment, but you did subsequently within a short time framework, but not in that scene.

VICTORIA: So, this was World War II?

ELIAS: Yes.

VICTORIA: And there was a massacre going on.

ELIAS: Yes. But you did not die in that scene.

VICTORIA: Right, but was I alone as a child after that?

ELIAS: Yes.

VICTORIA: (Inaudible)

ELIAS: Yes.

VICTORIA: Well, I didn’t choose to be a survivor of the Holocaust I guess.

ELIAS: Not in that focus.

VICTORIA: Oh, not in that focus, but in other focuses? (Chuckles) The way you say that.

ELIAS: You do incorporate several focuses in that time framework in association with that war.

VICTORIA: Yeah. As a victim or what are we looking at, as Jews?

ELIAS: In different capacities, some as victims and some not.

VICTORIA: Perpetrators?

ELIAS: Yes.

VICTORIA: Wow. I also believe I’ve been a child molester; I had a couple dreams, one where I believe I was being molested.

ELIAS: Correct.

VICTORIA: And one where I actually stepped in to try to stop molestation of an individual I actually knew, call it an associate of mine and understood was involved in some way.

ELIAS: Yes.

VICTORIA: Boy this going through other focuses is not always a comfortable thing is it?

ELIAS: I would agree, but it is also in certain situations useful for it allows you to broaden your awareness and it allows you to address to differences and that can be beneficial in relaxing the absolutes in this focus in relation to your judgments of other individuals.

VICTORIA: Yeah but first I have to relax that judgment against myself.

ELIAS: Yes. I am understanding, and that would be the point.

VICTORIA: Yeah. We spoke last time about other focuses of mine where I think you said there were a number I would have easy access to them, with the particular challenges that I’m facing in this focus. Maybe you can kind of steer me toward certain focuses or maybe one focus that could be very beneficial for me to try to get in touch with or in contact with that could help me; with these sets of challenges that I face now?

ELIAS: One moment. (Pause)

Very well, I shall offer an identification of a future focus. This future focus is female; the physical naming is Cylthy C-Y-L-T-H-Y. (Sill-thee) This individual is quite interactive, quite interactive in her community with other individuals and expresses a significant gentleness in her energy. She engages no actual employment, so to speak but she is quite appreciated by all of the individuals that she interacts with.

She generates energy interaction with small ones and also with individuals that perceive themselves to be somewhat stuck, in your terms. She very naturally magnates to individuals that are presenting challenges to themselves and are engaging difficulty in assessing how to proceed in whatever situation or scenario they are creating.

And in this she merely interacts with them and projects energy in a manner that is helpful to the other individuals to be inspiring. She is exceptionally accomplished at this with small ones. Not in relation to a challenge but merely in engaging them to encourage their own inspirations naturally.

VICTORIA: I like her.

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking this individual is; or can be likened to somewhat of a drifter but not entirely in the manner that you would picture that in your time framework. For she dwells in the same community throughout her focus and she incorporates a comfortable dwelling or home of her own but she incorporates much of her time within that community naturally magnating to other individuals voluntarily.

Not that they approach her, she approaches them. Most of which are individuals that initially are what you would term to be strangers to her but eventually and quite quickly become quite friendly in their appreciation of her and her abilities.

VICTORIA: Quite a woman.

ELIAS: Yes and very inspiring.

VICTORIA: Where does she live?

ELIAS: Physical location would be in the area you now view as New Zealand.

VICTORIA: How far in the future?

ELIAS: Time framework (Pause) 3015

VICTORIA: So when we talked last time I mentioned that I bought the tablas and I play, and I keep myself open that I might actually connect energetically with another focus of mine that plays a type of tablas in India and I bought this book when I bought the set of tablas and in the book it mentioned quite a few names of the last century or two centuries ago maybe and I’m wondering if any of those names could be me?

ELIAS: And what is your strongest impression?

VICTORIA: It was just, I thought to myself wouldn’t it be funny if as I read these names that one of them could be me, that that’s the way energetically things work, that I reconnect and see myself in this manner, you know?

ELIAS: Yes!

VICTORIA: Yeah, okay. (Laughs)

ELIAS: And this is the reason that you draw this to yourself.

VICTORIA: It’s so much fun, you know? There’s no accidents. (Elias cracks up) And I also think to myself yeah, well perhaps he can assist me but I also can assist him!

ELIAS: Yes!

VICTORIA: Here I have this future focus playing the tablas in probably a much more unconventional sense then is played, because you know I WILL do it that way (Laughs), I won’t play these instruments in a conventional way that’s the way I am for sure.

ELIAS: Correct.

VICTORIA: So it’s just kind of interesting that it’s a two way, you know.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct and you can provide an energy of inspiration also.

VICTORIA: Because we’re always been thinking about it the other way, we often forget that we also create that kind of experience. I had this very interesting experience when I was a teenager, I was probably 16 maybe younger, I don’t know. I was living in a small town at the time, it was like a weekday not very late at night, but it was empty and I was sitting in the park and across from the park was an arcade.

There was no traffic and there were no people and I was just looking across the street at the arcade and suddenly these two figures appeared, one being a woman kind of in this flowing dress and she was rather tall. And another being a short stout man in a suit and silver hair.

And they were walking by; the woman first, kind of walking in this really languid; just swaying her arms and then this little stout man walking out very rapidly, very short steps and as soon as he comes up to her, he takes a little hop and he jumps and he turns around and he leans against a car. She continues to walk by as if she doesn’t really notice him, and then he did it again.

And I watched this happen more than two or three times, and I’m just sitting there watching this going ”What”? (Elias chuckles) Then they turned the corner and I had the impulse to jump and run after them but I knew that I wouldn’t have seen them, that they would have disappeared. And I wondered if you can give me some; is this some strange hallucination I had or what was that that I saw?

ELIAS: And what is your impression?

VICTORIA: I just don’t know, it was like these; it’s like they were almost inserted into this reality as some kind of amusement like I physically projected them there, that’s all I can really, I don’t know.

ELIAS: And what is your assessment of the reason that you did that?

VICTORIA: To kind of get me to understand, I don’t know, how we can do that sort of thing. This was before I had any of this information, it’s just that it’s how that kind of thing is possible, I guess that we can insert that kind of thing, that we are so creative just to gain our attention in a very playful way. What was delivered in this specific message, I don’t really know, it’s just that it really threw me into a place, I don’t think I thought too much of it but it always obviously stuck with me.

ELIAS: Partially you are correct. But it also incorporates symbolism in relation to you. Yes it is an experience that you have presented to yourself, to offer yourself an objective awareness that this is possible and to allow yourself an awareness of your abilities and that you can create far more than you think you can. And also these figures or characters that you created were symbols to you of fluidity and playfulness; of grace and humor.

VICTORIA: The qualities that I admire. (Laughs)

ELIAS: And also qualities that contribute to balance.

VICTORIA: It was very amusing; it was a very entertaining moment in my life that’s why I think it’s so interesting to me is because it came before all of this information. The thing about the memories, the remembrance of the child that I was before this kind of experience and then of course coming into Seth and your information, I guess it’s very affirming for me that I always knew.

ELIAS: Yes!

VICTORIA: Even if, I guess it’s to perhaps structure it for me, you know? The objective put me outside of myself. I always wonder how long you and I have been in I guess one could say subjective communication. Is it even before? Like I wonder if you had anything to do with kind of nudging me towards even reading Seth.

ELIAS: Yes.

VICTORIA: Yeah, and does it go back for nearly all my life or…?

ELIAS: Yes.

VICTORIA: Yeah, have we shared focuses together, you and I?

ELIAS: Yes.

VICTORIA: I guess I won’t ask you too many particulars on that I should learn to explore more. (Elias cracks up) I mean, I know through talking with you how many of my dreams really touch upon all of my other focuses, I always think of myself as one who is not always connected to them but I actually do get an awful lot of information through my dreams but the particulars always seem to escape me.

I just remember impressions like that terrible nightmare. Also when I told you that I go to a state when I meditate that I almost fall asleep that I try to hold myself to that place they call the hypnogogic state, I get flashes of other imagery; is this also me accessing other focuses at that point?

ELIAS: Yes.

VICTORIA: Yeah, I hear voices and I get more specifics, but it almost feels like they’re more past and yet I don’t really know if I’m accessing my future focuses. Now that’s because we have these beliefs about reincarnation that’s mostly connecting with past but the future seems a little more obscure.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

VICTORIA: Yeah, from any of my focuses… I mean sometimes I feel as though I have an even split future and passed.

ELIAS: Yes.

VICTORIA: Yeah, because I really would love to connect with those future focuses because obviously they live in this part of the shift. My intent, since I have this chapter focus on the shift I would like to; I just feel like they could help me in my abilities.

ELIAS: Yes you are correct and once allowing yourself to be interactive or connect with a future focus, that actually can be interactive. For the most part individuals connecting with past focuses can access considerable information but generally speaking there’s not an actual interaction.

You can access past focuses in many different manners and you can even project to a past focus and temporarily allow yourself to BE that past focus dependent upon how you are projecting. But generally speaking, in accessing a past focus you do not actually interact with it. As always I shall express this is not a rule and it is not an absolute therefore it can occur but generally speaking it does not. And the reason that it does not is that generally speaking, past focuses do not incorporate the same type of awareness as you, for they are not shifting.

VICTORIA: So it would be more in my interests to communicate with my future focuses concerning where I’m headed to, that makes perfect sense.

ELIAS: A future focus incorporates a wider awareness and therefore can actually interact with you.

VICTORIA: I see.

ELIAS: Or incorporates more of a willingness and are not as rigid in relation to beliefs. They hold beliefs just as you do, but they also have accepted beliefs and therefore are not as rigid with them and not as absolute with them. Past focuses are much more absolute in their beliefs than are you.

VICTORIA: Hmm, talking about beliefs and rigidity with that, where am I in all that? Just talk to me Elias and tell me your impression; give me insight, some things that you might see that might be helpful in me knowing as far as my learning to accept you know, or at least practicing acceptance. Just give me your overall view, if you will.

ELIAS: I would express that you are generating more and more of an awareness. You do incorporate a strong willingness and desire to be paying attention to yourself and to being evaluating your own movement and you are moving more into an awareness of your own beliefs.

I may express to you the suggestion that you in your evaluation of your beliefs, allow yourself to express an acknowledgment and an appreciation of some expression of your beliefs.

VICTORIA: Has this to do with my wants?

ELIAS: I am aware that you are attempting to be accepting, but this is also somewhat of an unclear action with you. (Victoria laughs) And therefore what you are doing is attempting to not fight with them as much, which is a step.

But what may be the next step so to speak, is to allow yourself to genuinely discover and recognize how your beliefs benefit you rather than how they hinder you.
How your beliefs allow you to move in the directions that you do and how they guide you in a manner of speaking, in your choices and in your behaviors.

Acknowledging what you do accomplish and what you are successful with rather than continuing to concentrate upon attempting to be neutral and focusing your attention upon what you have not accomplished yet.

VICTORIA: I think I’m beginning to break out of that pattern.

ELIAS: Yes.

VICTORIA: I feel particularly since the last session, that I’ve relaxed quite a bit in my judgment against myself; things that I normally would worry a lot about and get upset about; but not so much. I have this feeling that it’s okay.

Am I kind of moving into some kind of difference, sometimes I feel this subject of probabilities has always been a fascinating thing for me? I know I used to move quite a lot, shift apartments, cities. I think I’ve moved…sometimes I feel I’ve lived a million lifetimes and I think I’ve done a lot of that shifting and then I kind of put a halt to that. I got tired of it, you know.

I feel like I’m almost on a precipice of shifting into another probable self, and sometimes the question comes up in my mind of, I know this is one of those crystal ball questions, but I get the feeling that I’m ready to move away from my apartment soon.

I’ve been for longer than I’ve been anywhere in my life, five years (Cracks up) which for some people is not very long. (Elias laughs) And it just kind of feeling if this is the best place energetically for me? I don’t even know if it’s just my apartment, is it San Francisco, I’m kind of toying with the idea of changing all that.

ELIAS: I am understanding and I would also be validating of your impressions for you are in a direction of embarking upon new adventures and new choices and…

VICTORIA: Like moving away from this place? I don’t mean something permanent, but taking some kind of leave of absence?

ELIAS: That is a significant potential, yes.

VICTORIA: (Whispers) Where?

ELIAS: THAT is the treasure hunt!

VICTORIA: That is the treasure hunt, yeah. Well I’m not going to ask you because that would just blow it for me right?

ELIAS: It is your treasure hunt, it is an adventure!

VICTORIA: I’ve never been on an adventure, well, I haven’t been on that kind of an adventure for a while. I just have about four more minutes, maybe we’ll just leave it up to you to say anything more that you would like to say to me, besides obviously what you already said. Maybe there’s a particular belief that you might suggest that I could really, really address? I feel like I’m kind of addressing them, but I’m not completely clear on that.

ELIAS: I would not express in that direction with you; you shall present what is effective for you in the time framework in which it is effective. And that IS what you are doing, whether you are generating tremendous clarity or not, yet matters not. You are presenting yourself with challenges and changes but you are also moving in a direction of widening.

(Tape ends at 56:39)

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