Tuesday, February 22, 2005 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Frank (Ulra)

(Elias’ arrival time is 18 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

FRANK: Good morning! How are you today?

ELIAS: As always, and yourself?

FRANK: (Laughs) I’m doing pretty good, myself. As always, it’s a pleasure to talk to you.

ELIAS: Ha ha! And what shall we discuss?

FRANK: It’s my usual strange mix of things. Why don’t we start out, as we often do, with a dream. This is one I had this morning; I’m not even so sure it was a dream. It seemed to keep recurring. It was like I was part asleep, part awake, in that funny state in-between there. I don’t remember it too clearly, other than I was trying to put together some kind of device and having trouble putting it together, and it seemed like I kept having this multiple times. I don’t know if that’s really the case or it just seemed that way.

ELIAS: And your impression?

FRANK: This is probably kind of obvious, but maybe it symbolized my attempt to put together the whole idea of manipulating reality.

ELIAS: Correct.

FRANK: I suppose I had that dream because you and I were going to talk today?

ELIAS: Yes.

FRANK: Anything there, other than that?

ELIAS: It concerns what you may view as the complexities of your reality and how you perceive them to fit together, but in actuality, how they are, although connected, are not necessarily sequential.

FRANK: But I see things as being sequential?

ELIAS: Yes.

FRANK: Can you give me an example of something going on right now that would fit that?

ELIAS: (Laughs) All of your reality! All that you do!

FRANK: Let’s go down a different road here. What is the importance of the fact that they’re not sequential?

ELIAS: This actually is significant, for you perceive your reality to be sequential in whatever you do. You generate the perception that you incorporate actions in which one action precedes and leads into another action, and in actuality, each action that you generate creates its own outcome, and therefore may not necessarily be followed by another action that appears to you to be related to the previous action. Generally speaking, you do create events or actions and they do appear to you to be expressed in sequence, but as you move further into the action of this shift, you shall begin to generate some experiences that do not appear to you to follow certain sequences of events, which may be somewhat unnerving at times.

FRANK: I would think that would be. It’s going to start happening soon? (Laughs with Elias)

ELIAS: It has already begun with some individuals!

FRANK: I was more talking about me.

ELIAS: But you also may begin generating some experiences that may appear to you to not fit into sequential events. (Chuckles)

FRANK: I’m not sure I know what those are, but I’ll take your word for it and search my memory to see. That’s pretty interesting from a nothing little dream.

Next, I wanted to ask you about Lizella, who has been pretty unhappy lately, and has come to me and my wife for help. Maybe you can comment on her situation. She feels sort of estranged, has no friends and that sort of thing.

ELIAS: And what was the request for advice from yourself?

FRANK: It was pretty nonspecific. It was more just sort of a general plea for help, an expression of unhappiness more than anything else.

ELIAS: And an experience of isolation?

FRANK: Yes.

ELIAS: Very well. Let me express to you that the individual perceives herself to be different from other individuals, and in generating that perception of difference, generates difficulty in blending with other individuals.

I may suggest that she incorporate an action of allowing herself to recognize her own similarities rather than continuing to concentrate upon the differences, and in recognizing some of the similarities that she incorporates with other individuals, that may relax her energy, in which she shall relax this shield that she generates in her energy field, which, in a manner of speaking, holds other individuals at bay.

Once she is understanding that SHE is generating this action, that it is not necessarily that other individuals are uninterested in her, but that she is generating this shield and not allowing other individuals to connect in penetrating that shield, she may allow herself to relax that shielding of herself in acknowledging some of her own similarities to other individuals.

FRANK: The first question I have is, you say she sees herself as different. In what way? Is there some specific way?

ELIAS: Different in many manners — different in how she thinks, different in how she perceives, different in what she values, different in behavior. There are many differences that she perceives of herself. If she is allowing herself to genuinely examine herself and genuinely notice specifics concerning other individuals rather than generalities of other individuals, she may begin to notice that there are actually similarities of herself and her peers.

FRANK: What I’m wondering is how do I communicate this to her? Are you in communication with her on this?

ELIAS: Yes, but she is not listening. (Chuckles)

FRANK: (Laughs) Welcome to the club! Although, it’s interesting, she’s communicating more with us than she has in the past. I guess she feels she has nowhere else to turn.

ELIAS: That is for her a safer environment.

FRANK: My advice to her was that she was being too hard on herself, which you and I have discussed, and the other thing was to try to relax a little bit and then she can deal with it. But I don’t know; this is information that might be hard to communicate to her.

ELIAS: Perhaps rather than approaching the situation in a manner of advising, perhaps it may be more efficient to be interacting with her in questioning.

FRANK: Can you elaborating a little on that?

ELIAS: It may be more supportive and you may encounter less resistance and more openness if you are interacting with her in an inquiring manner, to be inquiring of what she perceives to be the differences between herself and other individuals, or what she perceives as the obstacles in what generates difficulty for her to be interactive with other individuals.

If you are engaging her in this manner, you encourage her to be examining and evaluating what she is actually experiencing, which shall allow her to generate more clarity in what she is actually experiencing and what she is actually doing. Therefore, in that action, you offer yourself more clarity of information concerning her, but you also are prompting and encouraging her to generate more clarity within herself. That opens a direction of communication between the two of you that may be more efficient and more useful.

FRANK: That makes sense. I’m sure that’s good advice. It may be difficult to implement, but it will be a valuable experience for me to open that line of communication, because that’s been a tough one. Interestingly, my wife is loosening up with respect to my daughter, relaxing. I guess that’s another good thing that’s come from it. We’ll see how it goes.

Next, I wanted to talk to you about the surgery on my shoulder. I did have it, and it was kind of interesting, because this is a surgery that everyone has told me is very, very painful. What happened when they did the operation was they found that the damage was much more severe than they thought, but yet I’ve had virtually no pain at all through this whole thing, which is kind of surprising. I’m very happy about it, but what is that all about?

ELIAS: And what did we begin with?

FRANK: One thing doesn’t lead to another?

ELIAS: Correct.

FRANK: So in other words, surgery doesn’t have to lead to pain.

ELIAS: Correct.

FRANK: So I just chose to make it easy on myself?

ELIAS: And that is conflicting for you? (Laughs loudly)

FRANK: No, but as you know, I try to understand everything.

ELIAS: I am aware!

FRANK: Anything that surprises me I’m curious about, like why does this happen. It could be as simple as why did I drop a glass on the floor. But I have no complaints about this!

ELIAS: In this, you have chosen to generate the reverse of what you are generally familiar with. Generally, you are familiar with complicating situations and generating more difficulty than is necessary. In this situation, you chose to create the reverse but in an equally surprising manner.

FRANK: Good! Maybe this is a whole new thing for me. It’s a lot better.

ELIAS: This is an example to you that a sequence of events is not actually being created, and therefore, each outcome may be different and not necessarily follow what you view as a sequence of events — which also presents another avenue of your freedom, for this suggests to you that in any moment, you can change an outcome of an action, and it is not bound in absoluteness to follow previous actions.

FRANK: It’s interesting how these conversations seem to have a major theme. I guess that’s the theme for today.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! This is not unusual, my friend!

FRANK: Anyway, I’ve been very happy with that. That was a very pleasant surprise. I feel like I’m going to recover way ahead of schedule and be even better than I was before.

ELIAS: Congratulations!

FRANK: Thank you, we’ll see. That’s how I feel about it right now.

Here on a related note, we’ve talked many times about the problem I have with my left elbow, and you’ve told me many times it has to do with my putting pressure on myself with respect to playing baseball and that sort of thing. The other interesting thing that’s happened since we last talked is that that’s pretty much gone away. After trying all kinds of therapy that didn’t help at all, all of a sudden, miraculously, in quotes, I found this exercise on the Internet, I did it, and it pretty much cleared it up. It comes back a little bit every now and then, but I’ve pretty much cleared it up at this stage. Am I to assume that that’s because I’ve gotten over the hump with putting pressure on myself with respect to playing ball?

ELIAS: Yes, which you have been moving in that direction.

FRANK: But I needed to find some objective reason for it, triggering for it, like this exercise?

ELIAS: An objective method.

FRANK: So is that just a reflection of general beliefs or something?

ELIAS: This also is not unusual in association with your orientation. For objective methods are, generally speaking, quite efficient and helpful to individuals of the common orientation, for you naturally express outwardly, and you naturally generate the action of producing. Therefore, methods to produce a desired outcome are efficient and natural to you. Even with your surgery, this would be another example of engaging an objective method to be manipulating your energy in a particular manner and producing a physical result.

FRANK: Obviously, it’s no coincidence that both of these things happened pretty close to simultaneously.

ELIAS: Correct.

FRANK: I thought for sure there’s probably some connection there, too. Although, I’ve thought about this a lot for a long time here. It wasn’t like there was a moment, an “Ah-ha, I’ve done it; now I’ve gotten over this failure to relax.” It sort of just happened. I’m not sure if you understand where I’m going here.

ELIAS: I am understanding. Remember that in any of these actions that you incorporate, what you are doing is choosing different influences of your beliefs, and therefore influencing your perception in a different manner and altering your reality.

In this, as you are addressing to any belief, you are generating a movement with it to discover an influence that is more in keeping with your preferences. As you relax and stop opposing a belief, that gradually allows you to move in a different direction, in which that belief is somewhat neutralized, in a manner of speaking.

FRANK: Then let’s get real specific about this. What was the change in terms of influence with regard to this belief?

ELIAS: First, identify to myself what you perceive to be the belief.

FRANK: I think we’ve talked about that many times, that as I age chronologically my faculties diminish.

ELIAS: Correct.

Now; in this, you have been choosing the influence of deterioration. The belief concerns aging, but there are many influences of that belief of aging. You have been expressing the influence that in aging you incorporate diminished capacities for certain expressions such as physical activities. What you are doing in this process is you are offering yourself methods in which you may be choosing the influence of aging as not necessarily diminishing capacity physically, but creating more of an appreciation for your physical expression and its skill and its seasoned-ness.

FRANK: “Seasoned-ness” meaning experience?

ELIAS: Yes. The belief is the same; the influences are quite different.

FRANK: The belief is that the faculties diminish with aging?

ELIAS: The belief is aging.

FRANK: That aging is significant?

ELIAS: One of the influences of the belief of aging is that there is a deterioration of physical capacity. That is one influence.

FRANK: I would have thought that what you are calling an influence is the belief.

ELIAS: This is quite commonly expressed with many, many, many individuals. This is the reason that we continue to explore beliefs and what they are and what their influences are, for many individuals confuse themselves in identifying an influence of a belief as the belief itself, which it is not. In this, you may...

FRANK: As you were talking about this, the first thing that leapt into my head was aging is not a belief, it’s a fact.

ELIAS: (Laughs) Precisely! And if you are allowing yourself to genuinely evaluate this, you may notice that identifying the belief of aging is actually neutral. It is not good or bad, and in itself is not actually affecting. This is the manner in which you allow yourselves to neutralize a belief, by identifying what the belief actually is, and recognizing that it incorporates many, many, many influences.

FRANK: I understand, but then let me ask you this. As you’ve said, we cannot eliminate beliefs, beliefs are there, but we can choose the effect of a different belief. Is there a belief in non-aging, that things don’t age?

ELIAS: That would be the belief of aging. That would be another influence, that they do not age.

FRANK: That would be an influence?

ELIAS: Yes.

FRANK: This is pretty interesting, because this means that beliefs are a lot different, I think, than what most of us down here think of as beliefs.

ELIAS: Correct.

FRANK: It’s more like a root assumption.

ELIAS: Correct.

FRANK: I’ve got to think about that one. (Elias laughs) And actually, now that you say that, this whole concept of you can’t eliminate beliefs suddenly makes a hell of a lot more sense.

ELIAS: Ah! Now you are beginning to understand.

FRANK: This makes a lot more sense now. It never made sense when you said beliefs were there, just flat-out there, and you can’t get rid of them. But if you look at influences of beliefs and you think those are beliefs, then you think that doesn’t make sense. But if you go up a level, like you’re doing here, then it makes a great deal of sense.

ELIAS: For that is the blueprint of your reality.

FRANK: This is good stuff! (Elias laughs) I’ll have to think about that. It gives us a lot of things to talk about in the future.

Let me move on; I’ve got a bunch of things to talk to you about and I don’t know if I can get them all in. Last time we talked about my business, the big dog — you remember the big dog?

ELIAS: Yes.

FRANK: In terms of the big dog, I said we were having problems attracting quality employees. Since then, we have attracted someone who’ll be starting shortly who’s just one of the best people we think we could find, so clearly there’s some movement on that front. But we continue to have problems with people that have been around for a while. First, am I right in the first thing I said, about this new person we’ve attracted?

ELIAS: Yes. Express to myself how you deem yourself to be successful or not successful in your interactions with the other individuals that you have not expressed a satisfaction with, for we have discussed this previously and I have offered you suggestions. In this, I inquire of you how you have implemented those suggestions.

FRANK: I remember you told me two things. Number one, you told me to be more open-minded about accomplishments and not be so critical of everything, and I must admit that I used that advice in dealing with my partner with regard to some specific events, but then after that, I sort of forgot it. The other thing you expressed to me about attracting new people was just be more open about the potential for the future. I think you’re probably talking about the first of those two.

ELIAS: Yes, and also the expression of appreciation.

FRANK: So you’re saying I’m not being appreciative enough?

ELIAS: Not precisely, but somewhat, yes. I am expressing to you that that is a significant and important factor, and in that, you may generate much more successfulness in your interactions with the other individuals and less conflict.

FRANK: Let’s go back to the very first thing. You said what do I consider success, and I guess what I consider success is for these people to do work which is of a certain minimum standard and to do a minimum amount of work, both of which I think is not happening.

ELIAS: I am understanding. In this, what we have discussed is that if you are generating this push of your energy in association with the other individuals, they automatically generate resistance, and you create what you do not want.

Whereas, if you are generating an energy of appreciation, that expresses an encouragement, which is received by the other individuals and creates a very different atmosphere in which the other individuals are not perceiving their environment to be pressured or rigid. Therefore, the other individuals are more inspired to allow themselves to generate in association with their own creativity. But if you are creating this atmosphere of rigidness and opposing energy and pushing energy and expressing criticism and dissatisfaction, what you create is a reflection of resistance.

FRANK: Let’s explore something here. Really, a lot of this seemed to start when we hired someone new to manage all these people a little over a year ago. Is a lot of this attributable to his pressuring, doing these sorts of things? I’m sure I’m involved, too.

ELIAS: Yes, and this rigidness that certain actions must be generated in certain manners, and not acknowledging the other individuals.

FRANK: If I were speaking to him about that, he would say they never do anything right, so how can I acknowledge them? I guess what I’m asking for right now, it seems like what I need to do is influence him to change his behavior. So how do I do that?

ELIAS: Not necessarily influencing the individual to alter his behavior, but sharing information with each other that may allow for an alteration of perception. If the individual views merely negative expressions of all of the employees, he is not offering a supportiveness in energy and he is not expressing an appreciation. That is being received by all of the other individuals, which generates an atmosphere of a lack of motivation. What is their payoff?

FRANK: And he sees certain employees differently. He sees the newer employees as having the right attitude, so he does appreciate them, and for that reason, they do do better.

ELIAS: Correct. Perhaps challenge this individual to discover some qualities or some element of the other individuals that he can appreciate. Or perhaps, challenge the other individual in a manner of a game, in which it is his game to discover a manner or a method to inspire the other individuals.

FRANK: Do you think it would be helpful for me to go and speak to all these people in person?

ELIAS: That would be your choice. It would also depend upon how you are speaking with them and what you engage with them, and whether you are engaging them in encouragement and acknowledgment and an appreciation, or whether you are attempting to instruct and point to their expressions of lack.

FRANK: I understand everything you’re saying there, and there the challenge is to find things that fit the category of positive things.

ELIAS: Correct.

FRANK: Right now, that feels like a big challenge, because I don’t see many of those. But I’m sure they’re there, because I’m sure I can see whatever I want to see.

ELIAS: Remember, you are creating all of that. Therefore, whatever you are generating in the reflections of these other individuals, you are creating them generating that. In this, allow yourself to acknowledge what you appreciate in you, and reflect that in them.

FRANK: That’s probably a good exercise anyway, to figure out what I appreciate in me. (Elias chuckles) We’ll see how that one goes.

My partner, who lives in another part of the country, I was speaking to him about this, and it’s clear that his perception of everything is very different from mine with regard to this situation of the people. His experience has been unbelievably different, and I know it’s illustrative of how we all live in our own reality. I’m not even sure what my question is, other than sometimes I get off the phone, scratch my head, and wonder where is he coming from. Any comments on that?

ELIAS: This is once again an example of differences and how absolute you are with your reality. This is the reason that you incorporate difficulty in understanding the expression of the other individual’s reality, for your reality to you is so very absolute.

FRANK: When in reality, his is just as valid as mine.

ELIAS: Correct, and just as absolute. (Laughs)

FRANK: Is this part of the Shift, where we all realize that it’s not absolute?

ELIAS: Yes.

FRANK: Let’s talk about the small dog a little bit. I’ve been trying to focus more on that business. I can’t say it’s a lot, but certainly some efforts in that direction, and I think probably focusing more on myself, kind of on a parallel track.

ELIAS: Yes.

FRANK: Can you give me any advice on how I can rebuild that business?

ELIAS: In paying attention to yourself, my friend, allow yourself to engage and pay attention to your communications of imagination. Allow yourself to incorporate more of a playfulness with this small dog, rather than incorporating the perception of work.

FRANK: Are you saying imagination in general or imagination with respect to this business?

ELIAS: Both, for that shall be influencing of how you interact with this business. If you are incorporating relaxing and expressing more of a playfulness with it, you may be producing much more easily and more successfully. You are generating an excess of rigidness with this situation, and in the seriousness of it, you are generating an energy that is not as fluid.

FRANK: That probably applies to a lot of other things, too.

ELIAS: Yes.

FRANK: Sometimes imagination for me is like, I don’t know, like putting together something, like I want to do something, but I don’t let it flow. That’s interesting; we’ll try that.

Lately I’ve had an interest in and I’ve read a number of books on hormonal changes as a person ages, and different types of therapy and vitamins and all that. When I look into those things, on the one hand I find it very interesting because they certainly have an impact on this whole concept of aging, which, as you know, is a big thing for me. But then on the other hand, in a sense I feel — and I don’t know if this is the right word — almost sort of guilty, because I think I have control over everything; I don’t need surgery or vitamins or hormones or anything to fix any kind of problem I’ve got. I guess that’s an example of what we talked about last time, about fighting against beliefs.

ELIAS: Correct. For it matters not, my friend. You are creating all of these methods. They are all elements of your reality, and you are creating all of that. Therefore, it matters not what type of direction you incorporate or what method you incorporate. Even if you are not engaging an objective physical method for altering different elements of your reality, it is quite likely that you shall engage some inner method or process to alter different expressions within your reality or your physical body or its functioning. Therefore, they are merely choices. One choice is not better or worse than another choice.

FRANK: I’m assuming that this feeling, I’m calling it guilt, is holding me back from getting where I’m trying to go. Is that correct?

ELIAS: I am understanding, yes. In this, remind yourself that the directions that you incorporate are quite in keeping with your orientation. That is a natural movement for you, to be objectively expressing and to be engaging production and objective imagery and manifestations. This is how you naturally manipulate your reality.

Therefore, it is not bad, and it is unnecessary for you to incorporate guilt or a sense of inadequacy at not generating some type of magical transformation. You ARE creating a magical transformation in your manner, and it is no less magical than the appearance of a manifestation within what you term to be thin air. You have magically created no pain in association with your surgery.

FRANK: I see that now. I’m not sure I won’t be feeling that again in the future, but now it makes a lot of sense.

A couple more quick things: we recently went to Hawaii. It’s always been a dream of mine for many, many years to take the whole family there, and we did that. While we were there, we had not so good weather. It wasn’t horrible, but it wasn’t what I had hoped for. I’m just curious as to why we created that. It’s not an important thing, but it’s one of those things I’m just curious about.

ELIAS: I am understanding. It is a presentment of the difference of how you perceive certain environments as close to paradise and how that is actually manifest in reality.

FRANK: I’m not sure I understand that.

ELIAS: This is a quite common expression also, in that individuals generate an idea of what they view to be an ideal or the perfection or the paradise of certain environments. But in any of those draws to paradise, if the individual actually engages the physical environment, it may be less of the paradise than what has been imagined; not actuality, but it may not necessarily fit the ideal picture.

In that, it is a presentment to yourself of expectations and how generating expectations even in association with your environment may be disappointing, and therefore allowing yourself to move into the direction of readjusting your perception, in a manner of speaking, and allowing yourself to view the paradise without the expectations, and therefore not generate the disappointments.

FRANK: I’ve been there many, many, many times in the past, and never had this experience. So why now?

ELIAS: For this is the expression of the expectations. What is different? You incorporated engaging this trip with your family, and therefore, what is the expectation expressed? That you shall incorporate this action with them, share this experience with them, and your expectation is to present this trip and this activity to them together to share a perfect experience.

FRANK: While we were there, I was thinking about all this while it was happening, and for myself decided to just relax about the whole thing, and all of a sudden, things did pick up, at least for a little while, improved.

Let’s talk about Lizella. Shall I talk to her about you?

ELIAS: If you are so choosing.

FRANK: I never did, because I didn’t think she would react well.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) Another expectation.

FRANK: Well, thank you. As always, it’s been great fun. Good stuff here about beliefs!

ELIAS: (Laughs) I shall be anticipating our next discussion. Quite stimulating!

FRANK: It certainly is for me.

ELIAS: I offer my congratulations at your successfulness with your physical expressions, and I continue to offer my encouragement with you. I shall be expressing my energy with you in association with your daughter and with your business.

FRANK: Thank you very much.

ELIAS: To you, my friend, in great affection, au revoir.

FRANK: Good-bye.

Elias departs after 1 hour, 5 minutes.

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