Monday, January 17, 2005 (Private)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Bobbi (Jale)

(Elias’ arrival time is 14 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

BOBBI: Hello, Elias!

ELIAS: And what shall we discuss?

BOBBI: (Laughs) I was thinking of saying, “What shall we talk about?” I was gonna try and beat you to it! (Elias laughs) You win!

I’d like to start out with a question from Axel. He wanted a question asked for his son, Lucas.

ELIAS: Very well.

BOBBI: I’m sure you’re aware of that situation. His significant partner, Khadija, participated in that tsunami. So this is Axel’s question. Lucas, his son, thinks Khadija is with you, and he would like to speak to her, to Khadija. Could you say something to Lucas about this? (Pause)

ELIAS: Very well. I shall offer my response directly to the small one.

(Softly and gently) Your friend, Khadija, IS with me, and I am interactive with her. She knows of you and is aware of you, and she hears you when you speak to her, and she is expressing to you, also.

Pay attention in your dreams, and also pay attention to small whistles that you may hear when you are awake, and you shall know that she is with you and that she is talking to you. It does not matter if you do not understand what she is saying, but know that she is talking to you, that she is there, and that she knows that she is speaking to you. If you choose, you may play with her in your dreams, and she will play with you.

I am aware that you are sad in this now, but understand that Khadija did a great thing in choosing to disappear. In her choice to do this great thing, other people shall be much more cooperative and shall recognize the importance of loving each other more than they have been recently. In that, you may also carry her message to be more loving of each other and appreciating of your friends.

BOBBI: Thank you. That’s wonderful.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

BOBBI: I’ll be sending that to him shortly.

ELIAS: And you may offer my greetings to him also, and express to him that if he chooses and allows, I may play with him also. (Chuckles)

BOBBI: I’m sure he’ll be looking for that. Excellent! Thanks.

I haven’t spoken directly to you like this for a year, and a lot of stuff has happened, so I’ll just recap.

ELIAS: Very well. I am aware of much activity occurring. (Chuckles)

BOBBI: Oh, yes. I’ve had a lot of realizations about things, about how I create things even in ways I don’t like. (Laughs) I can create positive things in ways I don’t like.

We went to Hawaii, which was a great trip, and it was also a good lesson for me in how I create things. I got really mad at my husband while we were there, and I thought that’s it, I’m going to do what I want to do. That turned out to be really good and really freeing, and looking back I could see that what he did still irritated me tremendously but my part in that was that allowed me to say to myself you can do what you want. So that was sort of an eye-opening experience.

I went through a bunch more silly stupid medical stuff and decided I’d had it with that and what will happen will happen — my same green energy center goofiness. So I’m kind of handling that now myself. In fact, I was going to ask you about that. I see that what I do is hold a lot of energy right there. I don’t always get what it’s related to; sometimes I do. I’m getting much better at consciously releasing that energy. How can I more efficiently do that? Sometimes when it is really severe and closed down, all my little methods and things aren’t that effective. Is there something else I can be doing?

ELIAS: Allow yourself a distraction. Visualize yourself holding a kitten, merely momentarily, and the gentleness and the affection that you experience in holding the small kitten and the comfort that you feel in that small action, and the calm and the amusement. That shall interrupt your concentration, and it shall allow you to express a gentleness with yourself and a nurturing with yourself, for you are that kitten that you are holding.

BOBBI: Thank you, I like that!

ELIAS: You are welcome.

BOBBI: I planned on talking to you a couple of times this year, and it got put off for whatever reason. One of my questions was in what area — because we were thinking about moving — what area does my energy correspond with. I know there are certain areas that I really like and certain areas that I don’t at all, so I was going to ask your advice on that.

But we already bought a house, so that question’s out! But I think it will work out. It’s up near Yosemite National Park, in Ahwahnee, and I feel pretty good up there and every time we’re in that house. So I’m assuming my energy matches that area. (Laughs)

ELIAS: It is an interesting experience, is it not, when you generate a movement to a physical location that you do resonate with in energy? It is an obvious difference.

BOBBI: Oh, yes! In fact, this particular house was that way. We hadn’t even looked through the whole house when I thought this is it; this is the one.

ELIAS: Which, I have expressed to other individuals also that inquire, as you would have previously, it is merely a matter of allowing yourself to playfully engage your treasure hunt. It is quite informative in engaging that action, for you do pay attention to your energy, you do allow yourself to follow your energy, and you pay attention to what you feel and what you experience in following your energy. You recognize quite obviously when you do resonate with a particular environment, which also offers you information concerning what you do not necessarily resonate with but what you are accustomed to — what you thought you were comfortable with to an extent, but what you actually were forcing yourself to be comfortable with for you were expressing the shoulds.

In genuinely allowing yourself the freedom to follow your own energy and pay attention, you discover what you genuinely resonate with, which is amazingly freeing, and generates an obvious difference and ease in your energy, which allows you to flow much more efficiently and much more effortlessly, and it also motivates you and somewhat inspires you.

BOBBI: Yes, very much. That’s probably why the whole process of getting this house went so smoothly. We didn’t think we’d be able to afford it, but everything just fell into place, just amazingly so.

ELIAS: Which is another indicator that you are moving in the direction of your preference and that you are paying attention to your energy and allowing yourself to move in directions that you resonate with. Therefore, you generate an ease in accomplishing.

BOBBI: It was funny, we went up there to put in the offer on the house, and I said wait a minute, I just want to sit here and see if it feels right. I sat there on the porch for a minute, waiting, and then I thought what do I want, a brick to fall on my head? This is great! (Both laugh) I was looking for some big bell to go off or something, and it’s much smaller than that; I just knew it was right. There’s no huge sign or star flashing across the heavens. It was just right.

That was an interesting process, too, because I was real aware of wanting that house and wanting to create that whole situation. It started out really smoothly, and then there were a couple of little glitches along the way, like where were my kids going to go, and my daughter was quite upset. I noticed, as I paid attention to these things, the process would slow down. All of a sudden, people weren’t getting the things we’d sent them or they’d need something else, and I was worrying about the kids, what were they going to do. As soon as I went back to no, this is what I want and everything else will work out, everything moved right along again.

ELIAS: Which is an interesting example of genuinely paying attention to yourself and noticing what occurs when you are not.

BOBBI: It was very obvious, and really an interesting example of that. Of course, I’ve gotten to the point now where I take it for granted, since it’s all moved along so smoothly, that I didn’t really create this — everything was just in place and it would have happened anyway. But recently I worked on a transcript from two years ago and you spoke to someone about that, about discounting their creation. (Laughs) That’s what I was doing! (Elias chuckles) Because I had set out to purposely do this.

ELIAS: And you accomplished. The challenge is to credit yourself with the accomplishment.

BOBBI: (Laughs) That’s right! At first, I thought if I can create getting this house, I can create anything. I have to give all your information quite a bit of credit in this. A lot of things had been moving us along the road to wanting to get out of this area, but with all the experiences I’ve gone through lately, with Vicki’s passing and my friend Diane, all of that, it’s kind of changed my perception about things. Why am I sitting here doing something I don’t want to do? What a waste of my time! As well as all your reminders that this is an exploration, an adventure. I thought, I’m not exploring or adventuring at all, sitting here in the same house forever! (Elias laughs) I should be out doing. It was more than just changing my mind about that; it was a true change in perception.

ELIAS: Yes.

BOBBI: That’s when all these things started moving into place.

ELIAS: Yes, and creating a very different reality. Changing your perception does change your reality.

BOBBI: And pretty quickly, too.

ELIAS: Yes.

BOBBI: It was more than just knowing those things. It was feeling it inside, somehow.

ELIAS: Experiencing rather than intellectualizing. (Laughs)

BOBBI: So we have the keys and we’re moving in two weeks!

ELIAS: Congratulations, I am acknowledging of you!

BOBBI: Thank you very much! I have a question about this new house. We were up there yesterday, we had just gotten the keys, and we were going in and out. We came back into the house and one of the hallway doors was closed. My husband said to me that’s Elias checking out your new place. (Elias smiles and nods) So was that you? There was no breeze, the door wasn’t ajar... (Laughs) It was! Very good. I’ll have to tell him that, but he won’t acknowledge knowing that.

ELIAS: Regardless of where are you physically, I am present. Ha ha ha!

BOBBI: Well, that was really a good one! Very tricky!

In the process of getting this house, a lot of people said interesting things to me like if you don’t get it, it wasn’t meant to be. It started me thinking about that phrase. In the past, that’s been very comforting to me as well: it didn’t work out; it wasn’t meant to be. But I don’t know if that’s really true. It’s not, is it?

ELIAS: No.

BOBBI: It’s what you create it to be.

ELIAS: Quite. It is not a matter of what is meant to be or is not meant to be, for that implies fate or destiny, which there is none of. It is what you create and whether you allow yourself the freedom to create what you want.

Even in situations at times when individuals are not creating what they want, that is not necessarily an indicator that they do not want that. At times it may be, but at times it may not be. It may be a situation in which the individual is merely not allowing themselves to generate what they want and blocking themselves in association with certain beliefs, or discounting themselves, or not trusting that they actually do incorporate the ability to create what they want.

BOBBI: Isn’t there a possibility that it could also be what you think you want and you don’t create it that way, so actually it is beneficial that it didn’t happen. That would be another way of expressing that it wasn’t meant to be, that it wasn’t going to be beneficial.

ELIAS: Yes, and at times you may think you want to be creating in one manner, and your thoughts may not necessarily be accurately translating your own information, and you may not necessarily actually want what you think you want. This is the reason that it is important to be familiar with your own energy, your own expression and what you want, what your preferences are, what influences of what beliefs are being expressed, and evaluating what you actually want. But as you become more familiar with your truths, with your beliefs, with the influences of those beliefs, with your own direction and with your own preferences, you also begin to translate through thought much more clearly and much more accurately, and there is much less of a discrepancy between thought and what you actually do and what your communications are.

BOBBI: It’s like anything you practice. You notice when you’re doing that again and you remember.

ELIAS: Yes.

BOBBI: I was going to ask you for your definition of wisdom.

ELIAS: Wisdom is the incorporation of knowledge. Knowledge is information, the incorporation of knowledge through experience that generates a genuine knowing — not a concept, not an idea, not a philosophy, not a theory, but the incorporation of knowledge through experience, which generates a reality that incorporates a genuine knowing.

BOBBI: It’s always been something I’ve been interested in and thought it would be nice to have. So it’s experiential more than knowledge gathering.

ELIAS: Yes, and this is the reason that within your clichés, you express that with age comes wisdom, for as you continue in your journey, you experience more and you assimilate those experiences. You incorporate the knowledge associated with those experiences, and that generates the knowing, and that is the expression of wisdom.

BOBBI: So to take it a step further, wisdom would also be a by-product of, after disengaging, assimilating all of those experiences and looking at your beliefs. Would wisdom, your definition of wisdom, come with that?

ELIAS: Yes, but you also incorporate wisdom within physical focus.

BOBBI: I went through a time for about a month last May, dreaming about Diane almost every night. They were nice dreams. We’d be talking and chatting about just regular stuff. At the end of that month, I had another dream where she told me she had to go back to being dead now. There was a big celebration and a big fancy coffin in the dream, and I thought eww, how morbid, I don’t want to look. But she said no, come and look, and she was all done up like it was some counterpart of a wedding or something. It was like her second death celebration. After that, I didn’t have dreams of her for quite a while, and I was wondering what that symbolized.

I had another couple of weeks recently when I started dreaming of her almost nightly again, and we were just talking as usual, but at the end of every dream, she had to go back to being dead, and it was always kind of comic. She couldn’t fit back in the grave, or I was carrying around her ashes but confused because there was already a grave there, or it wouldn’t fit, and it was kind of funny and we would both laugh about it in the dream. So what was going on there?

ELIAS: It is not that type of “going back to being dead.” This is quite creative imagery that you have offered to yourself. First of all, let me express to you that within this dream interaction you have actually generated an interaction with that individual.

As I have expressed recently with several individuals, at this point in the movement of this shift, the veils of separation are tremendously thinning. One of the areas in which they are thinning quite strongly is that between what you perceive to be living and dead, that separation of physical manifestation.

In this, although many individuals may temporarily incorporate a forgetfulness of their choice to be disengaging, they are more and more quickly recognizing that they have. But they are continuing to generate objective imagery, and they are more and more quickly recognizing that they are receiving energy from individuals remaining within physical focus, and that they actually incorporate the ability to project their energy through layers of consciousness, figuratively speaking through holes in their objective imagery. Through these holes, they may project their energy directly in interaction with an individual within physical focus.

They are aware of which individuals shall allow the reception of that more than others. Initially, they attempt with many individuals, but they quickly become aware that some individuals do not express the openness to receive that energy and therefore there is no penetration, but that other individuals do incorporate an openness that generates an ease for an interaction, and you both participate in a genuine interaction.

Now; in this, as this individual initially expressed to you that she must “go back to being dead again” and you did not incorporate interaction with this individual for a time framework, that was significant, for there was an awareness that she is not participating within physical focus.

BOBBI: That was kind of my interpretation, that at that point she realized “I have disengaged.”

ELIAS: Yes, and was engaging some movement into transition, and now has also recognized that she may be engaging transition and also continue at times to be projecting energy and interacting with individuals remaining within physical focus, that it is not an exclusive action, that both actions may be engaged.

Initially, that was not expressed in an awareness, and viewed that the movement into transition would discontinue the interaction through consciousness with individuals within physical focus for it was distracting and somewhat consuming. But there is a realization now that both actions may be engaged, and there is much more of a flexibility in recognizing that it is not necessary to be continuing to generate objective imagery to project energy through layers of consciousness. Initially, that was a strong association, that the objective awareness was necessary to engage that action. Now there is an awareness that that is not necessary; the action may continue regardless, and there is no need to be generating objective imagery in association with it.

BOBBI: So this would be that focus of Diane that I’m communicating with?

ELIAS: Yes.

BOBBI: That’s so interesting. Her beliefs were in line with her religious upbringing, and she believed that when you were dead, it was over. There was no afterlife; there was nothing.

ELIAS: (Ironically) Surprise! (Both laugh)

BOBBI: So I was wondering, in that initial period of time, what would the experience be of someone like that? If you don’t believe there’s anything more after you disengage, is there a period of...? What would that be like?

ELIAS: It is dependent upon the individual’s beliefs and the strength of their beliefs. For example, an individual that incorporates a belief of the reality of hell and views themself to have incorporated what they assess as a bad and punishable focus, it is quite possible that temporarily, once the individual has disengaged, that their initial experience may be uncomfortable, and it may be expressed in imagery of what they would assess to be hell. Which, that is associated with how strongly the individual judged and discounted themselves for an extended time framework.

But if an individual incorporates a belief that there is no expression subsequent to death, generally speaking they move into that choice of death — disengaging from this physical reality — subsequently forget that they have disengaged, and continue to create physical imagery that is familiar, in somewhat of a different manner, not incorporating whatever discomfort may have preceded that choice of death. That element shall be altered, and they shall be creating familiar objective imagery that is more preferred, that is the automatic response.

In that, it is merely dependent upon the individual themselves how much time they incorporate prior to their realization that they are not actually directly interacting with the energy of other individuals and that they are creating the imagery of it, and that there is no actual other attention participating with them objectively. Therefore, they begin to notice certain elements of their reality that appear strange. There are no surprises, all is quite predictable, and the responses of other individuals seem somewhat flat, for the individual is generating it all with no other attention involved.

They begin to notice their own creations of somewhat of a startling manner, not in association with other individuals that they project, but within their environment, that it begins to alter in association with their attention, and if they incorporate distraction, the distraction becomes the imagery. Rather than incorporating the distraction in the same imagery, they begin to notice that their imagery changes the actual physical environment. Therefore, each time they are distracted and moving their attention in a different manner, all of their reality alters also. That begins to spark a curiosity and a wondering.

Once the individual begins those types of experiences, they begin to recognize that they have engaged this choice, and they begin to experiment with manipulating their physical objective imagery. The more they engage that action, the more they recognize that they are dead. Subsequently, they begin to attempt to project energy to penetrate. Initially, they may be unsuccessful, for they are unfamiliar how to be manipulating energy to penetrate those veils.

As I have expressed with other individuals recently, in this time framework it is becoming easier for those individuals to recognize how to project energy through layers of consciousness, for YOU are engaging that action, and you are engaging it successfully. It is quite easy for any of you to project energy and penetrate to the individual that is dead and for it to be received and connected to. You engage that action effortlessly and automatically. You may not necessarily believe that you are doing that, but you do it, and you do it quite efficiently and easily. Each time you engage a prayer, each time you engage a conversation, each time you engage memories and a feeling of connection to the other individual, you are actually projecting that energy, and it is penetrating and it is being received.

BOBBI: And recognized?

ELIAS: Yes. What is significant in that action is that the individual begins to recognize that in some of their manifestations, they are not actually directly interacting with the energy of the other individual or of a creature, but some it appears that they are. Temporarily, that reinforces their perception that they are continuing within physical focus.

But as I have expressed previously, I am not discouraging of individuals within physical focus to be engaging that action, for it does not prolong the awareness of the individual that has disengaged. It does not hold them in that objective imagery, but actually is beneficial in generating clues as an awareness that they are NOT directly interacting with the energy of many other individuals or manifestations. That sparks a curiosity and a questioning, and it also encourages the individual in recognizing that if YOU can project energy to them, they may also project energy to you.

BOBBI: At what point, then — or is there a point in transition — where they start to connect with other focuses or essences that are also in transition? Do they do that?

ELIAS: Yes. There are stages, so to speak. Once the individual begins to genuinely fully move into nonphysical transition, they begin to stop generating objective imagery. They begin to shed the objective awareness, and therefore also shed perception and move into a different type of expression.

Once having assimilated the awareness of self as essence, of all the focuses of all of the different areas of consciousness and incorporating an awareness that they are an attention of this...

BOBBI: And each focus does this, regardless if it’s the final or not?

ELIAS: Yes, every focus. Once engaging that action and that awareness, there is much more of a freedom, for it is once again a matter of choice of how that attention shall express itself and in what direction. That attention may choose to be engaging another physical reality again.

That attention may choose to be engaging another physical reality — not this physical reality, for it has already accomplished that, and that would be reincarnation, which there is none of — but you as an attention are physically manifest here, in this physical reality as essence, which is also all of you here. There are other attentions that are participating in other physical realities, but not THIS attention.

Therefore, you may disengage, you may move through transition, and continuing as an attention, you may choose to be exploring another physical reality, or you may choose to be exploring other areas of consciousness that are not physical, or you may choose to be engaging in exploration of this physical reality in a different manner.

BOBBI: Like you’ve chosen.

ELIAS: Correct.

BOBBI: That’s really interesting! Thank you.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome. There are many, many choices — actually, endless choices.

BOBBI: That helps me understand more how the process works. Thank you.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

BOBBI: I’ve been looking at the difference between being an observing essence and having a counterpart action. I’ve kind of realized recently that I think I’m counterpart with Carmen/Tirza, in the area of how easily she weeps and my not being able to when I really want to release that energy and I don’t. I think we’re counterparts in that.

ELIAS: Yes.

BOBBI: In any other areas do you think, or are we just balancing out the emotional expressions?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes, and also in areas of allowance. In the expression of emotional releases, she engages that more easily than do you, but in expressions of other types of allowance, you engage more easily than she.

BOBBI: So we’re balancing each other out, basically, is our counterpart action.

ELIAS: Yes, in allowances.

BOBBI: I think that (name omitted) and I are also counterparts. (Elias nods in agreement) This is based on when I do her sessions, I’m bored, and if I speak to her, I’m bored. I realize she’s not boring, and I realize that the information in her sessions, what she’s saying, is quite involved in my issues. But it feels like I’ve covered it before, and that’s why I think we’re counterparts in a lot of areas. That accounts for those feelings of “I already know what you’re talking about.”

ELIAS: Yes. (Laughs)

BOBBI: I became aware of a Kabalistic healer, Rabbi Fred Dweck, and at first I thought that I had some connection to this guy, probably an observing essence, but now I’m thinking it’s more counterpart. (Elias nods in agreement) He does healing with his hands, that kind of thing.

ELIAS: Yes.

BOBBI: So the difference between an observing essence and a counterpart action is that an observing essence is more time defined and a counterpart is more action defined?

ELIAS: No, not necessarily. Both are experience-defined; but counterpart is, yes, is more action-defined.

BOBBI: Yes, that’s what I understood, that instead of the entirety of that person’s experiences, it would be more pertaining to certain areas.

ELIAS: Correct, yes. Observing is more of a sharing of actual experience.

BOBBI: For a defined point of time, whether it’s a specific part of the focus or the entire focus.

ELIAS: Yes.

BOBBI: For some reason, for a while there I kept getting the name of a baseball play, Brett Saberhagen. I looked into his information and it just wasn’t that familiar. So are we counterparts or am I observing, or is there some other connection I’m not picking up on?

ELIAS: Both.

BOBBI: I think Julia Child, the famous chef, was a life-long counterpart. When she died recently, I really felt as if I had lost another close friend.

ELIAS: Yes.

BOBBI: I think I was probably an observing essence of Meriwether Lewis of the Lewis and Clark expedition.

ELIAS: Yes.

BOBBI: At the end of his life, too, that particularly was very familiar. He had kind of a bizarre disengagement, and that was what felt familiar.

Do I have some connection to the focus of Judas? (Pause)

ELIAS: Also a counterpart.

BOBBI: I was dancing around with that for a while! (Both laugh) I was thinking about the concept of the “left hand of God,” that whole belief system, that sometimes some people are initiating of things that the rest of us would see as negative actions, but it is part of a movement, so sort of a left hand of God concept. He would be one of those guys.

ELIAS: Correct.

BOBBI: I think I have some connection to Marie Laveau, the New Orleans voodoo priestess.

ELIAS: Partial observing and also counterpart.

BOBBI: Last summer I woke up in the middle of the night and heard a child calling out “Mommy!” A little before that, I had dreamed of Diane again but this was a little different. I was sitting next to her in a doctor’s office, and she looked quite different. She was very thin and younger and had a little tummy, like she was pregnant, and she looked rather upset. So I’m wondering, about that time — it was August of last summer — was my final focus born to another focus of her essence?

ELIAS: Yes.

BOBBI: So he’s out there, my final focus! (Laughs with Elias) I don’t know why that tickles me — I’m easily amused!

You had validated that I have a Templar focus, and I think that was in 1158, and that he died of a lance or some kind of pole through the chest.

ELIAS: Yes.

BOBBI: How are my energy centers? (Slight pause)

ELIAS: Quite well!

BOBBI: Thank you! They feel nice today. (Laughs with Elias)

I have questions from my sister again. One day I’ll get her to talk to you directly! We’re working towards that. (Laughs) This is one of my questions about her. I think that she and my daughter, Melissa, have a fragmentation connection. I’ve been trying to figure out who fragmented from who, and I’m not sure.

ELIAS: Neither, but they do incorporate what you would term to be a connection in one of the essences that each of them are fragmented from.

BOBBI: So they’re not like essence twins or something?

ELIAS: No, but similar.

BOBBI: They are SO alike. They even have the same mole on their arm — SO alike. That changes this question a little, then. I think the actress Marjorie Main was a focus of one or the other of them.

ELIAS: That would be associated with the other essence that both of them are fragmented of — in association with other essences also, but that would be the connection.

BOBBI: Their family, my sister, her husband and their daughter, went to London last year, and they visited wherever it is that Queen Elizabeth I is buried, and my niece, Christine, had a very funny experience there. She got very dizzy and almost passed out as she walked by Queen Elizabeth’s tomb. My sister and niece would like to know what was the connection there. There’s something there that definitely affected her. (Pause)

ELIAS: An observing essence to a friend, a dear friend, of that individual.

BOBBI: How many focuses does my niece Christine have? (Pause)

ELIAS: Eight hundred fifteen.

BOBBI: Now I have impressions about other people’s focuses. Does Sandy — this is Mary’s friend Sandy — have a focus of King Henry VIII? (Pause)

ELIAS: Observing, and also observing of Elizabeth.

BOBBI: My husband as Colonel Jim Bowie in the 1800s, who died at the Alamo?

ELIAS: Counterpart and observing.

BOBBI: This is about my son’s girlfriend, Suzzanna. She’s really confusing to me in her expression, but I think that she is belonging to Gramada, aligned with Ilda.

ELIAS: Yes.

BOBBI: Is her essence name Seche, S-E-C-H-E? I forget the pronunciation; I forget how I heard it.

ELIAS: Yes.

BOBBI: I got Rachel as a focus name, where I knew her.

ELIAS: Yes.

BOBBI: I think my weight, of which there is an abundance, has more to do with protection than acceptance of self, although those issues are probably tied together.

ELIAS: Yes.

BOBBI: But more about protection.

ELIAS: Yes.

BOBBI: So if I can get over that, I could probably do away with some of my abundance. (Laughs)

ELIAS: Yes, and perhaps generate the abundance in a different expression.

BOBBI: (Both laugh) That would be nice!

Here’s a question about you: do you participate in the Religious book since you don’t have a focus in the World War II chapter?

ELIAS: Yes.

BOBBI: You do? You don’t have to participate in all the books?

ELIAS: No.

BOBBI: Another rule found out!

ELIAS: You may not be participating in ALL the chapters of these books, but for the most part you do.

BOBBI: But it’s not a rule.

ELIAS: Correct.

BOBBI: I think my father has been toying with the idea of disengaging in the last year, with all his little odd physical things that he’s doing, but I don’t think he’s made a decision yet.

ELIAS: No.

BOBBI: He’s just thinking about it.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) Or experimenting.

BOBBI: This is just an observation. There’s not many women aligned with Gramada.

ELIAS: Or so it appears, thus far.

BOBBI: I was wondering if that’s just a more popular choice if you also choose the male gender.

ELIAS: Not necessarily. But it is a more popular choice in other cultures; it is dependent. Not all families incorporate a preference to a particular culture, but there are some cultures that express more of an association with a particular family. You may be noticing that in the northern European cultures — German, Finnish, even Dutch — there is more of an expression of the Sumafi family. There is more of an association with Gramada in other types of cultures.

BOBBI: Asian?

ELIAS: Yes.

BOBBI: One Game question, and we’re done. I would associate modern English with Sumafi, under Languages.

ELIAS: One point.

BOBBI: Thank you so much, always a pleasure to see you!

ELIAS: You are quite welcome, my friend.

BOBBI: Would you come and see me when I disengage? Would you be there, please?

ELIAS: I shall, quite definitely!

BOBBI: Thank you. It won’t be for a while, I’m thinking.

ELIAS: Very well — not too soon. And I express congratulations upon your adventure and your prize of your treasure hunt. I shall be anticipating our next meeting. With affection, appreciation, and fondness, in great friendship...

BOBBI: To you also.

ELIAS: ...to you, au revoir.

BOBBI: Au revoir.

Elias departs after 1 hour, 6 minutes.

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