Wednesday, September 24, 2003 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael), Ben (Albert) and Liam (Benny)

Elias arrives at 10:19 AM. (Arrival time is 17 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good evening!

BEN: Good evening!

ELIAS: (Chuckles) And how shall we proceed?

BEN: (Laughs) I have several sessions that I’m planning on doing and I have some ideas for some of them, but I think I just want to talk about some stuff that I want to talk about now.

ELIAS: Very well!

BEN: One of the things that I’ve been thinking about, along with this idea of a truth wave, is... Well, I’m going to use not necessarily your terms for beliefs and truths. I’ll use the traditional ones and then we can go from there.

ELIAS: Very well.

BEN: One of the things I’ve been thinking of is this idea of a religious belief and the concept that you create your own reality. This is being presented as if this is true, but I don’t see how that’s any different than saying something like there is a heaven or a hell, which we consider to be a belief. The flip side is sort of the idea that you create your own reality. But in what sense is this not just another belief, and how can we presume that this carries over everybody? Am I getting my question out right?

ELIAS: I am understanding.

BEN: In what sense is “you create your own reality” a truth and not just a belief?

ELIAS: For it is applicable to all of consciousness, in every area of consciousness, in every reality. It translates in every area of consciousness, not merely your physical reality.

BEN: I guess my question is it doesn’t seem to be any different than a religious belief in this physical reality, where you say, for example, if you don’t confess your sins you’re going to go to hell, and it doesn’t make any difference whether you’re Jewish or Muslim or whatever else, that this is the way things are. You know what I mean? Why is this an absolute almost, if there are no absolutes?

ELIAS: I am understanding, and you are correct. It is not an absolute, for believing is not the same as beliefs. You may believe or not believe many concepts, but that does not necessarily have a bearing upon beliefs or what you assess to be real or not real. But in association with your question, as reality is created by perception in association with objective physical reality, that is not an absolute either, for it is a matter of your perception.

BEN: I guess to me, it’s like where do I get off thinking I have the answer over anyone else?

ELIAS: You do not. You...

BEN: But it’s like you can say, “You create your reality, and you can believe it or not believe it, it’s still true,” and to me that almost seems like a religious belief.

ELIAS: I am understanding your confusion — or rather perhaps not confusion, but your challenge in this presentment.

BEN: I guess it has to do with me. It’s going back to emotional communications, which I’m sure I’m going to be touching on today. I guess it’s this idea of developing a self-righteous attitude. In some sense, I can say it bothers me when you come across as a know-it-all, for example. But I guess the emotional communication is this is something that I’m afraid that I’m coming off as or this is a reflection of myself, rather than being about you.

ELIAS: And you incorporate a judgment in association with that, for you believe that you should be expressing in particular manners. But you also incorporate judgments concerning different behaviors and what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. You automatically associate that if you are expressing a trust in yourself and an acknowledgment of yourself in your power, that that automatically elevates you above other individuals, which it does not, for every other individual incorporates the same abilities and the same qualities of essence and consciousness as do you. They may express in different manners, but that is not to say that one manner is better and one is worse, or one is right and one is wrong.

This is the point of this particular wave, which is generating a significant affectingness in individuals, addressing to this whole concept of truths, and somewhat struggling with this concept that their truths are not actually true and that other truths are not actually true. This challenges how you view yourselves and how you view your reality, and it challenges your ideas of absolutes.

BEN: I think part of it, for me, is quite individual, because I think that this is a very sort of Ilda idea, a sort of exchanging idea. I sometimes want to be in the position of being able to be, in a sense, open-minded. I have issues with myself when I find myself going too far to one side or to the other. I really do feel in some sense a middle ground for the exchange of ideas. So for me personally, if what I’m hearing is correct, the whole truth idea has to do with finding myself too much on one side of the pendulum or the other.

ELIAS: In what sense?

BEN: In the sense that it’s sort of like going you create your own reality — I’ll just say that that’s so — and that’s like going okay, this is fine for me. But there are other people who I could say this to who are possibly going to say no, that’s not true, and to me that’s perfectly acceptable. I don’t need for people to agree with me. So to me, the idea that I’m saying to myself whether you agree with me or not, this is really true, that’s the challenge to me.

ELIAS: Ah! And this is how you generate the absolute. What you are expressing is precisely the point, to be recognizing what is your truth but also recognizing that that may not be another individual’s truth. This is how you define the lack of absolutes, for it is a matter of perception.

In this, you may express to yourself that you create all of your reality. I may express that in conversation with you. That does not generate that statement into an absolute, for what you create in your reality and how you create your reality is a matter of choice and perception. And you are quite correct, you may express with yourself and other individuals that incorporate similar beliefs that you create all of your reality, and you may present that to another individual and they may disagree. They may incorporate different expressions and they may express to you, no, I do not create my reality, God creates.

It matters not. What is significant is that you recognize what your truths are, what your beliefs are, and that you recognize what beliefs and truths are associated with your preferences, realizing that they are not absolutes and that they are associated with objective perception, and in this, other individuals may be creating quite differently. That is not to say that they are wrong, and it is not to say that you are right and that you incorporate all of the absolute answers of consciousness.

For, there are no right answers. There are merely choices and experiences, none of which are right or wrong. It is merely a matter of which beliefs you align with and how you intertwine your own expressions of duplicity, which is also not right or wrong. It merely is your opinion and how YOU view and how YOU align with, in association with your perception.

BEN: I think I’m pretty aligned with what you’ve been saying so far.

ELIAS: Yes.

BEN: Now, the other thing is, now that you’ve made me think about this whole idea of the truth wave, sometimes I think that the things that you say, for example, sometimes I think you may be making a joke, in a sense. I think that there’s value in fact and in fiction, and I think that’s another concept that you can think about along with truth. Sometimes things are almost too literal, but I’m going no, the concept’s the same whether it’s fact or fiction.

ELIAS: Correct.

BEN: So I think that sometimes things that you say, you may be saying for effect or maybe you’re saying it for a joke, and people are interpreting it quite literally.

ELIAS: Yes. There is that potential, and yes.

BEN: But what you’re saying is the important thing is what do I think about it versus what you intended. It’s more about what I think about what you’re saying, correct?

ELIAS: Correct, and how you...

BEN: A specific example: at one point I was quite happy, had a lot of fun, let’s say, playing the focus game — talking about different focuses, discovering focuses, investigating, and lately it doesn’t have as much fun for me. I think a lot of that has been since Giselle started her famous-focus list.

Now, as an example, I know that at one point it was listed that the essence of Elias had a focus as a Native American Indian named Hunkpapa, I believe, and yet there was an earlier session with Candice in which Elias said he had no North American manifestations. So, in some senses, I feel they can both be correct without being... I mean, is there a clarification, or is there one truth at one time and one’s true at another time?

ELIAS: This is another example of perceiving in absolutes.

BEN: Exactly!

ELIAS: Which, as you are aware, there are no absolutes and there is always an expression of change. This is the nature of consciousness, continuous change. You all continuously change, essences continuously change, experiences continuously change; consciousness is in a continuous state, so to speak, of change for it is action, and in this, you think in absolutes. This is the manner in which you generate familiarities.

BEN: I think there’s a comfort in absolutes.

ELIAS: Yes, I am in agreement, for you perceive a stability in absolutes. Therefore, you are correct, there is an expression of comfort in absolutes. It appears to you that if there are not absolutes, the universe must be random and in chaos, for there appears to be no design. But this is incorrect. There is perfect design in the continuous change.

Now; I have stated many, many times that within one moment, one expression may be and that may change within another moment. There are some expressions that may be more consistent than others, but once again, not absolute and fixed.

BEN: So to bring it back to me again, I will use as an example that I remember at one point you said to me that — I think we were probably talking about famous focuses or something along those lines — and you said to me that I only needed the one, in reference to Alfred Douglas. Can you tell me what you meant by that?

ELIAS: (Chuckles) This is an example of what you have presented.

BEN: Of course! I’m trying stay in line with a theme here!

ELIAS: (Laughs) This is an example of my interaction with you in playfulness and not in an expression of seriousness, which may be interpreted by other individuals as literal but is not, necessarily.

BEN: So you meant it playfully, but in what sense did you mean it? You want me to tell you what my impression is?

ELIAS: Very well! (Laughs)

BEN: My impression when you said it was that it was unnecessary for me to be finding out lots of famous focuses, that the benefit from my wanting to have a famous focus was contained in this one particular individual.

ELIAS: Correct — and its flamboyancy and its ability to entertain you! (Both laugh)

BEN: I have no doubt I have been just as flamboyant on many other occasions! (Elias laughs) But it’s the same kind of thing, where I wonder... I’ve been talking to other members of the Forum lately about what do I as a person, or anyone as a person, get from having a famous focus.

To me, it’s almost like it doesn’t even have to be in the terms of using it as other lives, and this kind of thing. We do the same kind of thing with “my friend is Brad Pitt’s maid’s cousin,” and somehow we get something from being associated with certain individuals. I’m trying to figure out for myself what I get from having ANY other focus, because there’s something there, an appeal there, and I’m trying to break it down.

ELIAS: This is dependent upon each individual.

BEN: Right. I’m really just trying to figure out about myself.

ELIAS: Correct.

Now; remember that your preferences change and your interests change. In one time framework, you may be offering yourself a payoff to be investigating other focuses. In another time framework, you may not incorporate that curiosity any longer and you may not generate an interest in that type of action or investigation. In the time framework that you ARE interested — you yourself, Albert — in the time frameworks in which you have generated an interest, to you this has been a form of entertainment.

BEN: Oh yes, it’s lots of fun.

ELIAS: And therefore, this is your payoff. This is your motivation — investigating different expressions, some similarities, some differences, experimenting with impressions, experimenting with imagination, allowing yourself a freedom to be playful in association with other focuses and genuinely entertaining yourself.

Other individuals may be motivated to be incorporating these investigations for different reasons. Many individuals incorporate a curiosity as to focuses that incorporate famousness for they lack the trust within themselves to generate visualizations of other focuses that they do not incorporate the objective ability to research.

BEN: You lost me with that.

ELIAS: Individuals may be motivated to investigate other focuses but they do not necessarily trust their ability to generate impressions or visualizations concerning other focuses of themselves that may be what you term or define to be ordinary individuals.

BEN: Yes, I understand you now.

ELIAS: Therefore, they seek out individuals incorporating fame, for that affords them the ability to be researching through material which has been written concerning the individual. In allowing themselves to connect to a famous focus, or several famous focuses, that they may objectively research, they allow themselves to reinforce some of their trust of themselves and subsequently allow themselves to discover focuses of themselves that are not famous, and incorporate an equal curiosity and fun and reinforce their trust of themselves.

Now; you did not concern yourself with trusting yourself to be discovering other focuses, for your motivation was different. It was merely an entertainment with you. You were not actually seeking information which may necessarily be associated with you now in this focus. It was merely a game and fun.

Some individuals investigate other focuses merely motivated by a desire to connect similarities of other focuses to this focus now and offer themselves some clearer understanding, through viewing another individual, of different aspects of themself. It is, generally speaking, easier for all of you to view different qualities and expressions in other individuals than it is to view them within yourself. In some individual’s investigations, they choose to be offering themselves information concerning themselves now through the action of viewing similar other focuses.

There are many different reasons that individuals incorporate this direction of investigating other focuses. Some individuals incorporate no interest at all.

BEN: Shynla, for example. I’m starting to understand her point of view more and more all the time. Although for me, you’re always talking about being playful and it makes me think about when I was younger and I spent a great deal of time playing. You know, you act things out, like you’re a cop and I’m a robber, you’re a cowboy and I’m an Indian. As long as I keep it playful, I have no problem thinking like I’ll be more Alfred Douglas this time and you be Oscar Wilde, and then we’ll switch parts next time or something else. (Elias laughs) As long as I keep it playful, I have no problem with it at all.

In fact, the quality of fame can bump up against my belief system, too. I have no problem when I hear about or I think I may have a focus that’s of limited fame because I enjoy the investigation of finding out who this person was, because I don’t know who they are. But if you tell me that I’m associated with somebody who is really famous, then I think there’s something wrong. That’s almost not any fun, because I already have an idea of who this person is, and the fun for me is looking these people up. But of course again, what you’re saying, it’s still the element of finding some aspect of yourself in almost anyone.

ELIAS: Correct. It is merely a matter of choice, Albert, and what you prefer in the moment. If you are not incorporating fun in the moment in a particular direction, do not compare that with an experience of fun that you may have incorporated pastly but merely allow yourself to move in a different direction and generate your playfulness and your fun in a different direction.

BEN: Well, actually this will be for an upcoming session, but I was thinking that I would really enjoy... A lot of times I’ll be reading transcripts say in public, and people will see them and think that I’m reading some kind of script. Sometimes I enjoy reading the sessions as though they really are a script and acting out different parts. I think I would enjoy having a session with you once where we could possibly write a scene together or play parts. Would that be something that we could do together?

ELIAS: Very well.

BEN: I think that by playing a role, by my playing a role or even your playing a role, we could still discuss topics but have more fun with it.

ELIAS: Very well.

BEN: That’s coming up, then! I may just start the next session or whatever with the beginning of a scene, and maybe we can see if we can write something. (Laughs with Elias) Liam’s worried. (To Liam) You don’t have to read it!

ELIAS: It may be incorporating fun!

BEN: It sounds like fun to me! We may try it once and it may not work, but I thought I would set it up first and then try it next.

Lately my mind mostly has been on working with emotional and physical communications. That’s what we’ve been talking about, you and I, and that’s what I’ve been trying to talk to myself about lately.

One of the things that has been foremost in my mind lately is a possible relocation to London, which is actually where I am calling from now. But I am always surprised at myself for the choices that I make, because I am aware of what, or what I believe, I need to do before this relocation happens, and yet I consistently choose other things. I know that when I talk with other people, they say you must not really want to move to London. I really don’t think that’s what it is. It’s more about an emotional communication to myself of fear.

ELIAS: Correct.

Now; let me also express to you, Albert, that is not necessarily correct. You may genuinely want to be creating some manifestation and you may also be creating obstacles or preventing yourself from creating that manifestation, and that is not necessarily an indication that you have not defined your want. This is a misconception. At times, it may be an indication that you may not necessarily be entirely clear concerning your want, but at times individuals are clearly defining what they want but they may also be expressing beliefs or fears that may be creating hesitation.

I am acknowledging of you that you have defined your want, and it is not incorrect. Your translation of your want is correct. You do want to be creating this physical move, but this physical move is also objective imagery of movement that you are generating inwardly.

BEN: So the fear is this inward movement, this fear of the unknown inwardly? See, I thought it probably had more to do with belief systems around worthiness.

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, but how did we begin this conversation?

BEN: (Laughs) Talking about truth.

ELIAS: Correct, and speaking of power, that if you are creating all of your reality and you are expressing that to another individual as an absolute, that you are elevating yourself, and that is an expression of unacceptable power. In this, allow yourself to evaluate and recognize that your fear is associated with your own power and the viewing of that power as not good, as arrogant, and not wanting to be viewed by other individuals in certain manners.

But this is not what this movement is concerning. It is concerning addressing to your own truths and generating a significant movement in trust with yourself and in acceptance, and therefore dissipating the fear and generating the objective imagery that reflects that in the physical move.

The physical move is reflective of a significant movement inwardly. It is a significant relocation in physical locations for you, and it is a significant movement inwardly in association with yourself and your truths and the manner in which you perceive yourself, and addressing to the fear of how other individuals perceive you.

BEN: That’s very interesting. Let me see if I can tie this in. The emotional communication that I’ve been feeling in association with my choices towards this relocation remind me in a lot of ways of when I was in college and procrastinating about doing school work. The feeling seems to be quite similar.

ELIAS: And what is your assessment?

BEN: That’s what I’m trying to figure out. Now you’re talking about it’s not about being unworthy, it’s about the fear of being worthy or whatever...

ELIAS: Yes!

BEN: ...or the fear of being powerful.

ELIAS: Yes!

BEN: I’m trying to think in what sense was that true when I was in college and not writing my papers. The people who tell me that you probably don’t want to move to London, I’m like no, that’s just in a sense the objective abstract imagery on top of it. The feeling part of it seems very familiar and not new to me.

ELIAS: Yes, and this is an example of the many different expressions of the same beliefs.

BEN: So you think that maybe when I was in college I was having similar issues about not wanting to appear like too intelligent or something along those lines, or not distinguishing myself too much from my peers?

ELIAS: Partially, and also partially believing — which is an objective symptom that may be quite differently expressed from the identification of the belief — but believing in that time framework that you were not worthy enough. But it is the same belief; it is the same expression. It is being manifest somewhat differently, but this is the reason that you are offering yourself the familiarity of the communication. The feeling is similar. The feeling is familiar, and you remember what the association is with the feeling.

BEN: I’m going to sidestep a little; I know that these communications aren’t always emotional. I have spoken to you before about my heel bothering me or my foot bothering me, and I’m trying to catch myself and look at what I’m thinking, seeing what’s going on, and I’m just not coming up with anything. The only thing that I can think of lately is it’s sort of like giving myself permission not to exercise because my heel hurts.

ELIAS: It is your point of vulnerability.

BEN: Like my Achilles heel?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking. Mundane imagery, but...! (Chuckles and shrugs)

BEN: I know it’s probably right there in front of my face.

ELIAS: It is...

BEN: I know in the past you’ve talked about the same kind of thing. It’s like the first steps that are the hardest, that kind of thing. I know it happens in the moment, but when I’m in those moments and I know I’m communicating something to myself, I’m just not translating it and it’s going right over my head.

ELIAS: Let me express to you, once again you are associating quite black and white. You express, “I know that it is in the moment, and in the moment that I experience the discomfort, I attempt to pay attention to what I am thinking in the moment or what I am doing in that moment.” This is very black and white. It may not necessarily be associated with that precise moment. It may be more generally associated. It may be associated with your day; it may be associated with a more extensive time framework. It is an expression of reminder.

You are generating this manifestation as a communication concerning vulnerability, exposure. This is the point, that you are generating a movement that you desire to be accomplishing within, and your outcome, that you have set as your evidence of your accomplishment, is to be creating this physical move to another city. In this process, you are presenting yourself with proddings and reminders, and in this, you present yourself with this point of vulnerability, which is a reminder to be paying attention to your expression of exposure. For in association with your beliefs, you wish to be receiving certain physical expressions, but in order to receive you must be exposing. They move together.

What you want to be receiving is employment in the other physical location, which in your beliefs will facilitate your ability to generate the actual physical move. I am aware that you may express to yourself within your thoughts that you are attempting to create that employment, but regardless of the words that you associate with the action, your belief is that you shall generate receiving a job, that some other individual shall give to you. That is the simplicity of it.

In this, in association with that belief, you are offering yourself proddings — not moving in conflict with the belief, not moving in struggle with it — but prodding yourself in reminder that in conjunction with this expressed belief, there are expressions that you may be incorporating to eliminate your obstacles. One significant expression is that of exposure, but this is also associated with the fear.

These are all intertwined. For if you expose, you expose to yourself and to others your own power and your abilities. The struggle is associated with attempting to generate a balance in relation to your beliefs, not in struggle with them.

I am acknowledging that you are not generating much of a struggle. You are allowing yourself to move with your beliefs. But you are also not generating certain avenues in which you shall facilitate dissipating this fear and allowing yourself to move more so with your beliefs and receive. That is associated with the exposure and the vulnerability, and this is the reason that you continue to present this physical expression with your foot.

BEN: Very interesting! One of my physical communications to myself is I have a spot, an erogenous zone, that I have all kinds of associations with and impressions about.

ELIAS: Ah, and what are your associations and your impressions?

BEN: One of the things that I was thinking about was that because it was near my anus but not on my anus, I was thinking that my whole energy center is kind of rotated around so it’s kind of not lined up. I thought that was an interesting way to think about it.

ELIAS: And continue.

BEN: But the other thing is, when I first encountered it, I went into the direction of thinking this is a dis-ease, that there’s something wrong. I still have mixed feelings about it, because it’s a pleasure center but it also gets to the point where it can be painful as well. I know I communicate to myself through this spot on occasions because sometimes it’s sort of like itching. I think I associate myself with that spot; I draw myself to that spot, when I think I should be doing something.

ELIAS: Interesting.

BEN: It’s almost like a nervous habit or something like that. The communication is sort of like do something now.

ELIAS: And do you?

BEN: (Laughs) Sometimes, sometimes. It’s quite apart from the abstract physical imagery or whatever. I think that in some cases it’s like the opposite of relaxing. It’s almost telling me get going, stop relaxing.

ELIAS: Very well.

BEN: Am I getting anywhere? Does any of that sound reasonable?

ELIAS: Yes! I am merely listening to your impressions.

BEN: It’s my story. It’s my spot. What’s he going to say about my spot!

ELIAS: I may also express to you that you may continue with this and allow yourself to generate your imagery and your impressions and your communications, if you are so choosing, and if you are incorporating conflict with it, which within your energy expression now you are not displaying that, but if you are incorporating conflict with it futurely, I may express to you it is merely another manifestation of association with the power of your energy and depleting it in a particular manner in relation to your physical body form. Chemistry may incorporate a multiple vitamin and this shall be affecting of what you have created physically and also shall be affecting of the spot.

(Laughs) It is fascinating to be interactive with you and listening to your associations of what communications you offer to yourselves in association with different manifestations and how very creative you are.

(Portions omitted by request)

Very well! I express to you both my affection as always, and my appreciation of our interactions. I shall be anticipating our next meeting. To you both, in lovingness. Au revoir.

Elias departs at 11:32 AM.

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