Friday, December 20, 2002 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael), Erin (Melody) and Jon (Sung)

Elias arrives at 12:40 PM. (Arrival time is 21 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

JON & ERIN: Good morning.

ELIAS: (Laughs) How shall we proceed?

ERIN: I’ll start. Yesterday, Jon and I did a TFE and I wanted to check with you on some information that we got. I was trying to remember other focuses that I have that are currently experiencing the shift. The first one was a young girl in high school named Mariah, in North Carolina. Is that correct?

ELIAS: Yes.

ERIN: I wasn’t intrusive at all — I don’t know if intrusive is the right word — but I wasn’t affecting that focus at all when I was doing that, was I?

ELIAS: No.

ERIN: Just checking. The other one was a black male named Dennis who was college-age, living in Washington, with an occupation of computers.

ELIAS: Correct.

ERIN: Then I was wondering about my intent in relation to this shift. What I found was that part of my intent for this shift is for me to shift myself (laughs)...

ELIAS: (Laughs) Yes.

ERIN: ...and then the other part is just to allow myself to be expressive with other people naturally, as I shift myself, in a way that speaks to them.

ELIAS: Yes.

ERIN: Then the third part was that there was an opportunity for a lot of information because of this shift, and that I would be able to use that just to sort of establish how I can fit into the world.

ELIAS: I am understanding, yes. (Pause) Continue.

ERIN: I guess what I’m trying to say is that the information would be helpful for being an initiating focus.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

ERIN: Can you help me to clarify that?

ELIAS: In your focus, you may be offering what may be termed as a type of freshness in your expression in relation to other individuals, which may be influencing of their perceptions in helpfulness to not be expressing as much conflict or fear in association with the movement of this shift, for you may be offering an expression of excitement and wonder in your natural flow of energy.

ERIN: That’s great! And it’s fun, too. (Pause)

Another thing that I’m thinking about recently, I’m not sure how to formulate into a question but I’m going to try. I feel like with my own movement right now I’m confused about the difference between consciously directing myself versus just trusting and allowing myself. It doesn’t seem like there actually is a conflict between those things, but it seems to me right now like there is.

ELIAS: You are correct. In actuality, there is no conflict. But the reason that you are experiencing confusion and some expression of conflict is that you are complicating.

In this, you are attempting to separate what you think of as different actions, and in actuality they are not necessarily different actions. For in paying attention to yourself and trusting yourself and allowing yourself the freedom of your expressions, you are directing of yourself intentionally. What may appear to be confusing to you is the action of intentionally choosing specific directions and knowing what you want to be accomplishing in those directions and intentionally creating that.

Now; as I have stated, in actuality there is no conflict between allowing and directing. It appears to you as being conflicting or confusing, for the action of intentionally directing of yourself requires an intimacy of familiarity with yourself. In this, you generate that intimacy and knowing of yourself in the action of paying attention to all that you are communicating to yourself continuously, paying attention to what you are doing, and also paying attention to your thought translations. All three actions are important and move together harmoniously if you are moving your attention to be incorporating all three actions.

Now; in this, it is also necessary to be holding your attention in the now and [to be] aware of all of these actions as they are occurring in the now in each moment. Once you are allowing yourself that flexibility of your attention, you are aware of the influences of your beliefs and you are also aware of your choices. Therefore, it IS an expression of trusting yourself and allowing your energy to move in your directions that you want naturally and freely, and it does not require tremendous thought processes in analyzation of what you are doing or what you want. You merely allow yourself to express freely, and this is expressed through your trust of yourself.

Now; in this, as you continue to practice holding your attention in the now and paying attention to these three aspects of yourself, these three functions of yourself, it shall become easier and more familiar and you shall experience less confusion and conflict. It is merely a matter of not complicating the process, in a manner of speaking. (20-second pause)

ERIN: It seems like now that I’m finishing with school, I’m going to be able to engage with all of this information, and understanding and practicing with my attention. I’m just very excited about becoming involved with all of this. (Elias laughs)

The other question that I was wondering about today is about the subjective experience of emotion. I know that emotion is a communication that has a physical response, but I was wondering if certain emotions cause a constriction in your energy or an expansion of your energy and that’s what is mirrored in the physical emotion. I guess it seemed like a sort of element of this dimension. I was just wondering if you could explain that part of it.

ELIAS: The physical expression that may be associated with certain emotional communications, correct?

ERIN: No. I was wondering, is it true that the physical expression is a mirroring of subjective activity?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes, for the communication concerns what you are expressing inwardly within yourself, and at times, dependent upon the strength of a particular communication and the significance of that communication, in a manner of speaking, you may be generating a physical experience that is reflective of what you are expressing inwardly. The physical body consciousness is directed by the subjective awareness; therefore, it is responsive to subjective communications such as emotion.

It also is reflective of the intensity of some communications, for individuals within your physical reality naturally and automatically generate a physical tension within the body consciousness in certain types of experiences, and this creates a holding of energy. But the physical body consciousness also naturally incorporates mechanisms, in a manner of speaking, to release that energy. An example of a natural release of energy is the action of weeping or laughter, both of which are physical expressions of releasing energy associated with a holding of energy within the physical body consciousness. Both also are associated with emotional communications. (53-second pause)

JON: I guess it’s my turn now. (Elias chuckles) First thing I wanted to ask you about is a couple of nights ago I had this dream where I was being instructed by someone who presented me some information which I saw as different colored forms. Some of this was information that you had already covered, and I was familiar with it, but then he showed me something new. I think it was something about energy in relation to two different focuses or essences, and I saw it as a bright explosion of yellow light. Then I woke up, and for a while I really expected to see colors or an essence or something outside the window or maybe coming around to the door. I was wondering if maybe you could explain what was going on there.

ELIAS: And your impression?

JON: I think that was happening, but I’m not really clear on the details or who that was. I think maybe it was happening outside the window and that’s why I thought I expected to see all that going on out there.

ELIAS: I am understanding. In this, what you have presented to yourself is imagery in a translation of the recognition that there is more that occupies your space arrangement than meets the eye, so to speak. In this, you have offered yourself a type of introduction in recognition of other manifestations that occupy the same space arrangement as yourself but are not necessarily participating in your physical dimension.

Your translation is in color imagery, for the actual manifestations are unfamiliar to you and do not fit within the design of your physical reality. Your translation of essences is, in actuality, correct, but it is more of an expression of manifestations of essences that are expressed in different realities but are, in a manner of speaking, superimposed with your reality.

JON: You say “occupy the same space arrangement.” Does that mean that they are also related in a physical dimension through time as well?

ELIAS: No. Time is expressed differently in different realities.

Now; your reality incorporates a specific expression of time and configuration of time. Within the overlapping of realities, they may be experiencing different expressions of time. But it matters not, for in actuality time is simultaneous throughout consciousness. It is merely an objective perception that generates a configuration of time in movements that appear to not be simultaneous.

In this, their experience of time may be different and their experience of their reality in physical terms may be quite different also, but they occupy the same space arrangement as do you.

JON: I guess kind of what I’m curious about or was thinking about is the relationship between space and time and relativity and so forth. Space and time are kind of the same thing, somehow. So if they occupy the same space arrangement, maybe there might be some relationship between that and time, but maybe not.

Is what you’re saying is there’s something else which is like this space arrangement, and that my time or my moment points or whatever, that experience kind of forms it into what I perceive as my space, but they have something different and that translates their space into what they experience it as?

ELIAS: Yes, and for this reason you do not physically see them — although at times you may. You also are not physically interactive with them. In a manner of speaking, you are not bumping into many other manifestations in the space arrangement as yourself, for they do not incorporate the same configuration of time. Therefore, also, their configuration of their space is different, but it is the same space arrangement.

JON: Wow, that’s pretty interesting! (Elias chuckles) Just to finish off on that, the person that I was talking with in that experience, was that an inhabitant of this other dimension?

ELIAS: Yes.

JON: I’d like to talk some today about perception. When you say perception is much more than perceiving sensory input through physical senses, I was curious as to what exactly you mean by perception. Is there an aspect of ourselves devoted to perception, and how does it work?

ELIAS: You are correct. Perception is greater than merely sensory expressions.

Perception is an objective mechanism. It is not necessarily what you may term to be an aspect of yourself, precisely, and it is not a thing, per se. It is the objective expression of yourself that you incorporate in relation to all of your communication avenues of yourself that projects energy outwardly and creates all of your physical reality. In a manner of speaking, it is a type of mechanism that you incorporate objectively within your physical manifestation in your physical reality that projects energy and configures that energy into actual physical reality.

JON: So when I’m asleep and my objective consciousness blinks off, am I no longer creating physical reality? (Pause)

ELIAS: It is dependent upon where your attention moves, for your objective awareness is not necessarily off. In this, I may offer you an example.

First of all, if you are generating imagery within your sleep state, which is what you term to be dreams, you are engaging your objective awareness, for the objective awareness translates into imagery. You also, even in the time framework in which you may not necessarily be generating physical imagery associated with dreams, your objective awareness continues to be functioning. It is merely that your attention has moved to incorporate the subjective awareness as the primary in that time framework.

Now; you are aware that you may be incorporating your sleep state and if another individual approaches you and is incorporating no sound but is merely present, you shall notice and perhaps awaken. The other individual needs not incorporate any physical contact with you or be generating any sound; merely the presence of their energy shall be recognized, and your objective awareness is the awareness that recognizes that. In that recognition, your attention moves to incorporate the objective awareness as the primary. Are you understanding?

JON: Yes.

ELIAS: Therefore, you are continuing to generate a physical reality as you incorporate sleep, but your attention is focused in a different direction. (Pause)

JON: One other thing I was wondering about perception. I’m just noticing the incredible amount of detail everywhere. Is it my perception or my attention or something that decides how all the detail is supposed to be? For instance, when I create a table, I don’t really care about the minute scratches or bumps or the internal structure of the wood grain or the position of the atoms in each moment. But I’m just curious, what decides how that’s all supposed to be? How do I know how to create it like that, so detailed and minute?

ELIAS: (Chuckles) This is the nature of this particular physical dimension. As I have expressed previously many times, this particular physical dimension is one of the most diverse and, in a manner of speaking, complex physical realities of all of the physical realities, of which there are countless.

In this, this particular physical reality incorporates an enormous expression of detail. You naturally generate all of this through this mechanism of perception. This is the reason that at times it is amusing to us in the expressions of individuals in their concern of how to be generating... (The phone disconnects and then rings) Ha ha ha!

(Mary pops back in, the call is re-established, and Elias returns)

ELIAS: Continuing! Ha ha ha!

JON: Sorry about that!

ELIAS: Relax! (Laughing)

Now; let me express to you, in all of this complexity you may also recognize the amusement in questioning of how you may be producing an apple within your hand if you do not know objectively all of the components that are expressed in the creation of an apple, or that it may be incorporating much difficulty for an individual to generate or to create a manifestation of paper that they view to be money. BUT you naturally create tables, fireplaces, houses, woods, mountains, oceans, stars, planets! (Laughs) And you do not objectively know or concern yourselves with the physical atoms or molecules that comprise those manifestations, and you instantaneously create them! (Pause)

JON: I’m not sure if I missed this when the phone got cut off. So is this part of me that actually decides where all the molecules and atoms are supposed to be, or is it kind of like I just do it and I’m not aware of it?

ELIAS: It is a projection of energy from you, yes. You project an energy outwardly and your perception automatically configures the energy in association with time to produce physical objects or physical manifestations.

JON: So a part of my attention that directs my perception is concerned with each atom in every moment?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes. It is directed in association with consciousness, for every expression within your physical reality that is a manifestation of any thing is an expression of energy, which is consciousness, and it is a configuration of links of consciousness in association with configurations of time that produce physical matter through your perception.

JON: How is Regional Area 2 involved with this?

ELIAS: This is the domain, so to speak, of the subjective awareness. The subjective awareness is the aspect of yourself which holds attention upon all of these elements that you are speaking of.

You function in two manners, which is quite in keeping with the design in the duality of this physical dimension, and as I have stated, the subjective and objective awarenesses are in harmony with each other. Therefore, the subjective awareness generates an action within what we term to be Regional Area 2. The objective awareness engages perception in Regional Area 1 and manifests the action of Regional Area 2 and the subjective. Are you understanding?

JON: Yeah, I think so.

ELIAS: Consciousness is not a thing. Consciousness is an action. In this, you generate things from no thing. Therefore, you are engaging an action subjectively and objectively producing a thing. (24-second pause)

JON: So if I want to materialize an apple, I would engage the attention of my subjective consciousness and I’d direct it towards making an apple appear, which my subjective consciousness would then make an action in Regional Area 2, which my perception in Regional Area 1 would then materialize into an apple?

ELIAS: Correct.

JON: Is that right?

ELIAS: Yes, although you also are complicating this process, for you are moving your attention to analyzation in thought. (Laughs)

JON: That’s what I like to do!

ELIAS: Very well! Ha ha ha!

JON: It seems like my perception, for instance, is projecting a lot of energy and materializing forms and so forth, and it seems like each focus physically materialized living here does that. Is it possible that I could turn my attention away from my perception and view the perception of another focus or another person living here?

ELIAS: Yes, in engaging your empathic sense, yes. This is the action of merging with another individual and experiencing their experience.

As I have stated, perception is extremely flexible and it is quite bendable, in a manner of speaking, and incorporates change easily if you are allowing your attention to express a flexibility. But yes, you may move into an expression of your empathic sense and you may be experiencing the perception of another individual temporarily.

JON: Would this empathic sense enable me to see as I do with my own eyes? I guess it wouldn’t be my own eyes because I wouldn’t be creating them — never mind!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! Ah, but you are creating of the experience.

JON: I guess they would be creating my eyes. Let’s say Erin is sitting here and she is creating a version of me.

ELIAS: Correct.

JON: Through my empathic sense, could I take that body that she is creating and experience physical senses through it?

ELIAS: Yes.

JON: I just have one more question before we wrap up. I was wondering if you could maybe suggest a sleeping schedule or pattern that would be efficient for me to help having more conscious participation while asleep.

ELIAS: You may experiment with engaging shorter sleep time and also engaging sleep time in different time frameworks within your day. Altering the pattern and also altering the time incorporation does, generally speaking, offer you more activity in dream imagery, for what you are incorporating in that action is an interruption of the familiarity of patterns of the objective awareness. Therefore, what occurs is a type of alert with the objective awareness and it engages more.

This is what you are generating in dreams. You are generating an objective involvement of awareness with the subjective action. You are allowing the objective awareness to be translating into imagery the subjective actions.

Now; at times, in familiarity of patterns in relation to the action of sleep, your attention moves, as I have stated, to the subjective as the primary. In that action, you may not necessarily be moving your attention to the objective awareness and therefore not generate as much dream imagery. But in expressing unfamiliar sleep patterns, the objective awareness automatically is engaged by your attention.

JON: Okay, thanks.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

JON: Just one clarification on that — by shorter times, do you think like two or three hours is reasonable?

ELIAS: Within daytime hours, yes; within nighttime hours, four to six.

You see, in this action within your normal, per se, sleep patterns that you incorporate at night, you relax the attention in association with the objective awareness, for you incorporate the belief that little or no activity is occurring within your nighttime hours and this is the acceptable time framework to be engaging this action of sleep. Little stimulation is occurring within those hours of darkness, so to speak. But you also incorporate the belief that much stimulation is occurring within daytime hours; therefore, you automatically hold part of your attention more so upon the objective awareness within those daylight hours, even in sleep state.

JON: Well, I think we’re at the end of our time here, so thanks a lot!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! You are quite welcome!

JON: I look forward to our next session, coming up soon, I think.

ELIAS: Very well. I shall be anticipating our next meeting. I express encouragement and supportiveness to you both. Incorporate fun, and I shall express my energy with you also. In great affection to you both, as always, my friends, au revoir.

Elias departs at 1:42 PM.

(1) TFE stands for “trans-focal encounter,” viewing other focuses — past, concurrent, or future — while in an altered state.

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