Sunday, December 15, 2002 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael), Gillian (Ari) and Donatella (Lauraine)

Elias arrives at 10:46 AM. (Arrival time is 19 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good afternoon!

GILLIAN: Good afternoon, Elias. I brought my friend Lauraine, as I promised you.

ELIAS: Welcome!

DONATELLA: Hi, Elias.

GILLIAN: Lauraine is going to ask her questions first...

ELIAS: Very well.

GILLIAN: ...and then I’ll go from there.

ELIAS: Very well.

DONATELLA: Hi, Elias. The question is about my belonging family and alignment. According to what Gillian told me from a session she had with you, I am Tumold family and Gramada alignment. Do you confirm that?

ELIAS: Yes.

DONATELLA: In which way are these influencing my life? I can recognize both in my life, but how do these work together?

ELIAS: The influence of the qualities of the Tumold family creates a type of energy that you emanate naturally that expresses outwardly a natural healing expression in association with your interactions with other individuals. Not that you may actually engage any action associated with what you view as any type of traditional healing, but that your energy expressed outwardly generates a natural affectingness in association with other individuals in an expression of calm and ease, which is affecting in a naturally healing manner.

Let me express to you, individuals that are belonging to this family express different types of qualities, in a manner of speaking, than those individuals that are aligned with this family. Individuals aligned with the Tumold family generally do express some direction of outward expressions of healing, incorporating different methods and procedures, so to speak, to be physically incorporating healing actions with other individuals, such as physicians or shamans or what you now term to be alternative healing methods. But individuals that are belonging to this essence family express differently in association with those qualities, for the family that you are belonging to, generally speaking, exhibits underlying qualities that are not expressed as overtly as those qualities that may be expressed in the alignment family. These are much more easily recognized than the qualities of the belonging to family. In the expressions of this particular family, individuals that are belonging to the family of Tumold generally do not necessarily express the methods or methodology, so to speak, of healing but rather express a natural energy, which is recognized by other individuals merely in your presence.

Now; as to the alignment, this is actually quite complimentary to your essence family that you are belonging to, for the Gramada alignment influences an initiating type of movement in the individual. It may not necessarily appear quite overtly, but it is noticeable that in your experiences you may be innovative in your ideas and your directions, and in this, you may be naturally expressing connection with other individuals in different experiences. (Pause) Are you understanding?

DONATELLA: Yes. So, do these two, family and alignment, work together or do they sometimes conflict? I don’t know how to explain.

ELIAS: They move quite complimentarily together.

Now; this is not to say that an individual may not be generating some conflict in association with these movements dependent upon the expressed beliefs of the individual, but in the qualities expressed in essence of these two families, they are not conflicting.

DONATELLA: I understand, thank you. My intent, is it more affected by my alignment or is it influenced by my family belonging?

ELIAS: Neither. I may express to you that your individual intent in your focus is the general direction or theme that is expressed throughout the entirety of your focus, which is the direction of all of your experiences.

Now; within that general theme, you choose many different specific directions or avenues to be expressing that intent, that theme.

Now; your essence family and your alignment family are not influencing of your individual intent, which is your individual exploration and choice in each particular focus, but the manner in which you express that direction may be influenced by your essence family and alignment.

DONATELLA: I see; I understand. I think I understand. When I think about the pattern in my life, like from time to time I change countries and start — specifically it is related in my job — and I start something new. I thought that was like my intent and was influenced by my aligning to Gramada and making (unintelligible).

ELIAS: Yes. The manner in which you express is influenced by these families, but the subject or the direction is your individual unique choice.

DONATELLA: About being common, I think I understood that being common means that I create outside myself. Can you give me some more information about that?

ELIAS: You create outwardly, you are correct, and you generally express a natural energy to create products, objective imagery that you may view. You also pay attention to objective imagery outwardly. You offer yourself much information through outside imagery, which may be expressed in things or in other individuals or in exchanges with other individuals. It matters not, for what is significant is that you naturally move your attention outwardly, and this is the manner in which you offer yourself information.

Now; the one challenge expressed with this orientation, which may be generating conflict and difficulty for individuals expressing this orientation, is that you express this natural projection of attention outwardly and are unfamiliar with moving your attention inwardly, holding your attention upon self, and also continuing to allow yourself your natural expression of your projection of your attention outwardly.

It is not bad to be projecting your attention outwardly, and in association with this particular orientation, as I have stated, it is a natural action, a natural flow of energy. But in association with this shift in consciousness, to be not expressing trauma or much conflict, it is necessary to be moving your attention to self also, generating the action of paying attention to self continuously, and simultaneously allowing yourself your natural flow of energy, which is to move your attention outwardly, outside of self.

DONATELLA: Thank you. I think I can see it quite clearly in the relationship that I’ve created with my ex-boyfriend. It’s like I’m mirroring through him my feelings toward myself. Do you think that is the case, or would you give me a different insight?

ELIAS: I may express confirmation that your impression and your observation is correct.

DONATELLA: So I’ve chosen this individual as a mirror for my emotions for myself?

ELIAS: Yes.

DONATELLA: Looking at the other partners in my life, one of the things that make me feel uncomfortable is that despite being successful in many aspects of my life, I always had difficult and troubled relationships. I’m also wondering if the conflict I created by myself is the desire to have a family that I don’t have. Or is it, I don’t know, something else? I feel that the major conflict for me is the desire of having a family.

ELIAS: I am understanding, and do you recognize what you create in...

DONATELLA: My creations since I was a child are that practically all the important men in my life never stayed. My father died when I was very little. Even at that point I didn’t have a family, and I always create something ... I end up thinking I’m not up to that situation, probably. Is it probably that, the reason, because I discount myself in that direction?

ELIAS: Partially. But I may express to you that what you generate is a forcing of energy, and as you force energy and movement in association with yourself and another individual, you also create a barrier. This is recognized by the other individual, and in creating that barrier, you do not allow for the continuation of the relationship, so to speak.

I am understanding of your desire, but also you express beliefs in not merely discounting yourself but also in protection of yourself, and this is what generates the barrier. For you express within yourself a fear of allowing yourself that openness of vulnerability.

DONATELLA: Okay, I think I got the point! (Both laugh together) Thank you very much.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

DONATELLA: I have questions related about my traveling. I really love traveling, not only for work but also for enjoyment. I feel in certain areas, in certain places, very comfortable, and it is my feeling that these are places where I probably have other focuses. When I feel uncomfortable in places, would it be due to unfamiliarity with that place, or would it be remembering or acknowledging of experiences I didn’t like in that place?

ELIAS: Actually, there is not merely one reason, in your terms. It is dependant upon the location and what you are precisely expressing or experiencing. may be quite significant to allow yourself to pay attention and notice the differences more specifically rather that merely expressing to yourself of the general recognition that you may be uncomfortable in a particular physical location. For your experience, in actuality, is slightly different in different locations that you express an uncomfortability. In some areas it may be associated with another focus in which you are experiencing uncomfortable situations, but in some it may be that you do not resonate with the energy expression of that physical location.

Now; this is quite commonly expressed. Every individual generates a specific type of energy.

Now; as individuals come together physically, in your terms, in physical locations, they generate energy deposits. You all generate energy deposits continuously. Therefore, the physical location, in association with the energy deposits that are expressed by the individuals that occupy that location, in a manner of speaking begins to take on the energy itself. Therefore, there is what may be recognized as specific types of energies in specific locations.

Some individuals may be resonating with that energy of the physical location and some may not, and in this, as you visit, so to speak, a physical location and you recognize an uncomfortability and you are noticing your specific feeling, so to speak, which offers you a communication in relation to the location, you may distinguish between whether you are uncomfortable for you sense a discomforting experience in that location, which shall be associated with yourself and other focuses, or whether you merely dislike the physical location for the energy is not compatible, so to speak, with your own energy.

DONATELLA: Okay, I will explore it in my travels. I thank you.

I have a question about what I was thinking could be my other focuses, and I have a few ideas. Do I have a focus as a gypsy?

ELIAS: Yes.

DONATELLA: When I was a child I wanted to run away with gypsies. My parents stopped me.

In Ancient Egypt, at the time of Tutankhamen?

ELIAS: Yes.

DONATELLA: Sometime in what we call prehistoric times or in the aborigine’s time?

ELIAS: Correct to both.

DONATELLA: Oh, to both! As a Taureg in the Sahara? (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes.

DONATELLA: Oh, thank you. As an American Indian at the time when the Europeans invaded? (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes, but associated with a clan in what you recognize now as Canada.

DONATELLA: Another time as a witch in Europe, or was called a witch?

ELIAS: Yes.

DONATELLA: As a shaman, probably in Africa?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

DONATELLA: A final question: Gillian — Ari, sorry — when she first told me about you, she mentioned the fact that one of your focuses was Oscar Wilde.

ELIAS: Correct.

DONATELLA: Was I there at that time? Did I meet you?

ELIAS: Briefly, yes.

DONATELLA: Because I knew that you were Oscar Wilde! (Elias chuckles) Another is that one of the books that always fascinated me by Oscar Wilde was “The Picture of Dorian Gray.” Has it somehow got something to do with that?

ELIAS: In its actual production, no. But I am understanding your affinity, for in that focus in which we have met, so to speak, and also in this focus, you express an association with that story as impactful in relation to your direction and experiences.

DONATELLA: Thank you very much. It was very nice talking to you, Elias.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

DONATELLA: Gillian/Ari has got some questions for you now. Bye.

ELIAS: Very well.

GILLIAN: Gillian/Ari — it matters not! We are one! (Elias laughs) Elias, I wanted to talk to you and continue my conversation regarding the megalithic cultures. I’ve got a different time, date, and I can’t shift that from the back of my mind. It is 23,000 years ago.

ELIAS: Correct.

GILLIAN: At that time, there were other cultures across the world that were similar in many ways. They were all creating megalithic structures, and this was because they are all connected. There were interpreters in each culture in a similar position as I was.

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes.

GILLIAN: The reason why I’m saying this is because there is an author, Graham Hancock, and I’m exploring his works. He is now challenging and really moving within this shift. He’s now challenging the traditional archeologists and saying have a look and see that all these myths that have links with each other in these cultures. Is that correct?

ELIAS: Correct.

GILLIAN: I felt a connection with Sandel about this, because she asked about the area in Japan and I thought that she was sort of a counterpart at that time period with me.

ELIAS: Correct.

GILLIAN: The other impression I’ve got regarding... Oh, I’ll continue with this train of thought.

One of the curiosities that exists and that I’d like to know more about is that amongst all these ancient cultures there is a strong tie-in with astronomy, a connection with Pleiades, the Pleiades system. Could you explain a little about that? What is the connection with our physical dimension earth and Pleiades?

ELIAS: In actuality, this is associated with beliefs.

Now; let me express to you, this is quite similar to beliefs expressed in relation to religious expressions and religious establishments. In this, it is merely another avenue in which individuals and groups of individuals turn their attention to some other body, so to speak, that is representing some thing greater than yourselves, some expression that is more knowledgeable, more evolved and incorporates greater understanding than do you yourselves, which is in actuality incorrect. It is merely an expression of another belief. But it is motivated by your expression of moving your attentions to some greater force than yourselves in an attempt to be interpreting yourselves, in similar manner to the concept of god.

GILLIAN: In terms of that, I feel that there is also a vague memory of us becoming physical in the connection. We haven’t completely separated ourselves. We have separated ourselves in becoming physical, but not so completely. Particularly the area that I feel strongly about is South America; I feel that they kept that memory alive as long as they could.

ELIAS: Correct.

GILLIAN: I found it fascinating as well that the Mayans were so caught up in the calendar and they were also aware of the probability of this shift and actually considered that 2012 is the time of the new sun or the new beginning, so to speak. I feel they, more than any other society, continued to keep this memory alive.

ELIAS: Correct.

GILLIAN: Now this is something different, a hodge-podge of different questions. I feel I started my transition in 1986.

ELIAS: Correct.

GILLIAN: I have 246 focuses of similar tone.

ELIAS: That you may easily be investigating, yes.

GILLIAN: I have more female focuses and sort of an equal level of the other and male.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct. I am acknowledging of you.

GILLIAN: Thank you very much. This comes from trusting myself!

ELIAS: I am aware. Ha ha ha!

GILLIAN: About this counterpart of mine, Billy Connolly, today I got the impression that he is Ilda belonging and Vold alignment. I have an essence name as well, which is Raold. (Pause)

ELIAS: Correct.

GILLIAN: On all three?

ELIAS: Yes.

GILLIAN: And he’s soft?

ELIAS: No, common.

GILLIAN: My first impression was that he’s intermediate.

ELIAS: Common.

GILLIAN: Oh, completely out with that one. I find I have a strong preference for deserts, I feel, as essence. I like explorations within these areas.

ELIAS: Yes.

GILLIAN: Lauraine asked regarding her Taureg focus, and I’m wondering, is that the focus where we are very close brothers?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

GILLIAN: The imagery I got was it was a very happy time for me.

Oh yes, I want to talk about dreams. My other focus, Taurelle — my French focus, present timeframe — I’ve had two dreams of him. In the last one, I was calling his name out and warning him. I felt it was a strong connection dream with this focus of mine. I want to know, is he aware of me?

ELIAS: Not objectively.

GILLIAN: And Osni, my present-time Iceland focus, is she aware of me or is she sort of investigating similar sort of information?

ELIAS: Similar sort of information; not objectively aware of yourself.

GILLIAN: There is another question I wanted to ask as well. I found a pattern in my life that I have wondered about from time to time. It happens when I make friends and so to speak abandon them when I move away, just sort of lost touch with them or haven’t kept in touch with them. I feel this is very much an intermediate expression but it is also in alignment with my alignment with Ilda. Could you expand a little more on that in the sense of what I’m actually doing? Am I just getting bored?

ELIAS: What is your impression?

GILLIAN: My impression is that it is not necessary for me to keep in touch with them.

ELIAS: And therefore?

GILLIAN: And therefore, in alignment with mass beliefs, I feel a wee sense of guilt occasionally.

ELIAS: And I may express to you merely to allow yourself to recognize this expression and what is influencing that, and once genuinely allowing yourself that recognition of the influence, which already you have offered yourself some information concerning, allow yourself the freedom of your choice without judgment upon yourself in relation to your choice.

Recognize that not all individuals move in an expression of creating relationships that are expressed in what you may term to be long term. Many individuals do not generate this type of relationship. It is not better or worse to be generating long- or short-term relationships. It is a matter of preference.

GILLIAN: I feel my preference is I don’t wish to make any commitments.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

GILLIAN: But yet I have kept a very strong connection with Pajae. That is more a comfort/supportive energy that I receive from him. But now I’m finding that it’s reversed its role, in the sense that I am now offering more, so to speak, support.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

GILLIAN: And in fact, that’s continuous support. I feel like it is sort of an agreement that I have quite happily made with this individual.

ELIAS: Yes.

GILLIAN: I also feel that I have an agreement with his son, his older son. Biann, I believe, is his essence tone. Is that correct?

ELIAS: And what is your identification of the agreement?

GILLIAN: Support within the shift because of an understanding of the manner in which we are shifting as a whole, globally, and his parents are still very much into scientifically proven aspects of life.

ELIAS: I am understanding. Allow yourself the recognition that this is not necessarily what you term to be an agreement but much rather merely a choice which is accepted.

GILLIAN: By the child.

ELIAS: Yes.

GILLIAN: Because I know that there are very strong links between us. I feel it when I see him and even when I’m not there. I know when I have given gifts for the child, they are appreciated and recognized as coming from me. In this respect, I also feel that there’s a sort of strange interaction in the sense that Peter and myself do feel a greater connection with the elder child and not with the younger child. He, in fact, feels a greater connection with Olivier, and I was just curious about that.

ELIAS: This is associated with familiarity, and the familiarity is expressed in association with other focuses and experiences of essence.

GILLIAN: I think that’s about all our questions. We’ve got lots of time left. I don’t have any more questions myself because I’m sort of finding most of my answers quite easily now within myself.

ELIAS: I may be offering you congratulations! Ha ha!

GILLIAN: Thank you, Elias! (Both laugh) I appreciate that and appreciate all the help you’ve been offering me on the sidelines as well.

(To Donatella) Do you have any more questions?

DONATELLA: I think I’m going to carry on my exploration on my own for a little and will talk to you soon, anyway. Thanks.

ELIAS: Very well, my friend.

GILLIAN: Okay, Elias, talk to you later!

ELIAS: I shall be offering my energy of encouragement to you both and shall be anticipating our next meeting. To each of you I express great affection in friendship.

BOTH: Thank you, Elias.

ELIAS: To you in fondness, au revoir.

BOTH: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 11:34 AM.

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