Session 1173

Depression, Medication, Health and Body Beliefs


“Depression, Medication, Health and Body Beliefs”
“What is the REAL Reality?”

Monday, October 28, 2002 (Private)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Anet (Alexi)
Elias arrives at 10:14 PM. (Arrival time is 28 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

ANET: Good morning, Elias.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) Welcome.

ANET: Thank you.

ELIAS: And how shall we proceed?

ANET: I guess first with the administrative stuff. (Laughs) My essence name? (Pause)

ELIAS: Essence name, Alexi (uh LEX see). And your impression as to essence families?

ANET: I think Tumold essence family and Sumafi alignment.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANET: And soft orientation.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANET: Emotional focus.


ANET: Can you spell the essence name?


ANET: That’s what I thought. I have to be accurate; it’s a Sumafi thing. (Elias chuckles) And let’s see, I already said emotional focus, I think. Oh, the colors! I’m kind of guessing my essence color is sort of like a mauve-y pink-purple, and focus color is a blue, sort of like my shirt, medium blue.

ELIAS: Essence color is correct in your impression. Focus color, periwinkle.

ANET: Okay, so that kind of blue, then. The total number of focuses of my essence in this dimension?

ELIAS: Total numbering of focuses, 989.

ANET: How many are in this time period now?


ANET: Including me?


ANET: How many are what we’d consider future?

ELIAS: Three hundred sixteen.

ANET: Is Henry David Thoreau a focus of my essence, or was I an observing essence?

ELIAS: Observing essence.

ANET: That’s what I suspected. Let me ask for a couple of other people. There’s one man who is also in the forum, kind of new. His name is Jim Swanson. He was at the Saturday meeting.

ELIAS: Essence name, Samson.

ANET: What is his family and alignment?

ELIAS: And your impression?

ANET: Oh boy, I haven’t... This is wrong — I just heard Milumet, but don’t think that’s right.

ELIAS: Essence family, Vold. Alignment, you are correct, Milumet; orientation, common.

ANET: That I would have thought. For John, my boyfriend — his essence name?

ELIAS: Essence name, Tess, T-E-S-S.

ANET: I’m guessing his essence family is Sumafi and his alignment is Gramada.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANET: And he’s a common.


ANET: I’m not quite sure about this, but I’m thinking think he may be thought oriented, not oriented, but the thought focus as opposed to an emotional focus.

ELIAS: Political.

ANET: Oh, cool! That’s not that frequent. Dark forest green, that’s got to be one of his colors. I’m thinking maybe that’s his focus color.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANET: And his essence color, I have no idea.

ELIAS: Yellow.

ANET: How many focuses of essence does he have in this dimension?

ELIAS: One thousand fifty-six.

ANET: Currently, is it like seven?

ELIAS: Five.

ANET: And future focuses?

ELIAS: Two hundred eighty-eight.

ANET: Is Nikola Tesla a focus of his, or was he an observing essence? (Pause)

ELIAS: Observing essence.

ANET: So with me, I feel like I’m in my final focus.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANET: And John is continuing?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANET: I was talking with somebody the other night about themes, like each essence having a theme. I was thinking that mine has something to do with freedom.

ELIAS: In what capacity?

ANET: Well, sort of achieving it, like breaking out of self-imposed limitations.


ANET: Which appear to be outward, but of course are self-imposed because everything is.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANET: With John and I, how many focuses have we had together? (Pause)

ELIAS: Thirty-six.

ANET: Not that many! Are we in the capacity that you’ve discussed it, the soul-mate thing?

ELIAS: Yes, you may identify in this manner.

ANET: We’re not fragmented from the same essence?


ANET: I didn’t think so.

Recently I stopped taking antidepressant medication. I know the whole thing is a belief, and I know that’s the reason why it seems to work. On an intellectual level, I know that, and I know there’s nothing really wrong with me that I need it. But on a belief level, I have trouble getting past that. Is there anything that would be helpful for me to not go back into that mind set?

ELIAS: What is your motivation for discontinuing your medication?

ANET: Well, I know that it’s really not necessary, and it’s kind of like in taking it I’m saying there’s something wrong with me.

ELIAS: Not necessarily. Many individuals that draw themselves to this information misunderstand in relation to beliefs. Beliefs are not bad, and if you choose to continue in this physical reality, you also choose the design of this physical reality, and the design of this physical reality incorporates beliefs and belief systems.

Now; in this, individuals misunderstand in relation to information that they offer themselves concerning beliefs and belief systems, that if they are engaging an action that they may clearly view and associate with a belief, they should be generating a different action, incorporating the idea that the different action shall not be associated with a belief.

ANET: But they’re ALL associated, everything’s associated with a belief.

ELIAS: Correct. It is merely a matter of which beliefs you choose that may be in alignment with your preferences or in alignment with movement that is more easily generated that provides you with less conflict that may facilitate effortlessness.

Now; in this, many individuals incorporate beliefs or align with and express beliefs in association with your medical sciences and medications that are available to you through your medical sciences. But they offer themselves information concerning beliefs, and their thought process begins to generate ideas in which they express they should not be aligning with these beliefs.

Now; recognize that that is a judgment that some beliefs are better than other beliefs, or that if you are not aligning with one belief, you shall not be aligning with another — if you are not aligning with this belief and you are not expressing this belief, you have moved beyond a belief. No, you have merely chosen to express a different belief. Which it matters not, but it is significant to examine the motivation in relation to your choices and what offers you the most expedient method, so to speak, in your movement — what offers you conflict, what generates that conflict, and what allows you more of an ease.

Now; in inquiring to you what is your motivation to be discontinuing your medication, your response was not that the consumption of the medication generates conflict within you for specific reasons. Your response was “I understand that the consumption of this medication is a belief and I should incorporate the ability to generate my reality without it.”

ANET: There’s that, but there’s also that it’s a hassle and it requires seeing a doctor, and I don’t like seeing doctors because it reinforces beliefs that I really don’t want to reinforce, the beliefs that there’s something inherently wrong with us, that we’re broken and need to be fixed and that kind of thing.

ELIAS: But you may be incorporating your medical sciences and not necessarily express that particular belief that you are broken and need to be fixed, but that you have incorporated a manifestation which you may acknowledge within yourself that you have generated this particular manifestation physically and that you have also created options within your reality that you may alter the affectingness of what you have generated, and this is not wrong.

You have chosen to be manifest in this physical dimension to experience and to explore different aspects of how you create within a physical manifestation. You are exploring you in many different manners, and ALL of these medical sciences and substances you have created. Therefore, they are all generated from you, and it is your choice of whether you shall incorporate them and align with them or not. In either manner, it is not wrong; they are merely choices.

I am not expressing to you in either manner a judgment or an opinion of whether you should or should not choose this or that. I am merely offering you information that you may allow yourself to recognize that there are more choices than you are actually perceiving and that it is unnecessary to judge the choices that you incorporate, that it is acceptable whatever your choices may be.

In this, if you are choosing to discontinue incorporating medication for you evaluate this as inefficient and that it is not affecting of you, or that it is affecting of you but in a manner that you do not prefer, you may address to that situation and you may alter your choices. The significant element in this scenario is to examine your motivation — what is motivating you, what you are choosing, what you want, what influences what you have been creating — and therefore offer yourself choices to continue creating in that direction or to generate a different direction in creating other expressions. Are you understanding?

ANET: I think so. I’ve been using nutritional products, that kind of thing, and I don’t know that my belief is as strong in that as it is in the medication.

ELIAS: Therefore what are you generating in your experience?

ANET: I can’t exactly tell the difference yet. I think it’s too soon to tell whether the nutritional products are “working,” in quotes. I know that a lot of it has to do with how I align my beliefs.

ELIAS: Correct, but one belief is not better than another.

ANET: Right. It’s a choice.

ELIAS: Correct. You are attempting to discover which beliefs are in alignment with your preferences, with what you prefer in your expressions and in your movement, which is quite acceptable and it is the point, actually, in familiarizing yourself more fully and intimately with yourself.

If you wish to be altering your choices in your expression in relation to a manifestation of depression, examine what influences your manifestation of depression. What are your triggers?

ANET: I’ve been doing a little work on that as well.


ANET: Well, I notice certain thought patterns that I’ll go into, but I can catch them sometimes, which is something I didn’t do before.

ELIAS: And what do you assess in these thought patterns that you may identify within yourself as a trigger point?

ANET: Overwhelm-ment I think is one.

ELIAS: In association with what?

ANET: I’m just feeling like oh, whatever is too much to deal with in almost like a withdrawing of energy instead of moving forward with something.

ELIAS: It may also be beneficial to you to allow yourself in the moment that you do notice that you are generating the trigger to move your attention to now and allow yourself to genuinely view the present moment that you are engaging. For in the moment that you are experiencing this feeling of overwhelmingness, as you turn your attention to the now and you inquire of yourself, “What am I actually engaging NOW? What is actually occurring in my reality NOW,” you divert your attention and you alter your perception. For perhaps what you are engaging in that moment is no more than sitting within a chair.

ANET: Often there’s not objectively anything happening that’s bad. It’s all internally created.

ELIAS: I am understanding. But at times it is helpful to view your objective reality in the physicality of it, to move your attention to the corporeal and to view yourself as an actual physical manifestation and merely inquire of yourself, “What am I actually doing in this moment?” Not thinking, but DOING.

As you move your attention to what you are actually physically DOING, you may express to yourself, “I am physically walking. I am physically sitting.” This diverts your attention. It moves your attention to your physical manifestation, and your attention moves away from the anxiety. It interrupts the anxiety, and that interruption may be a significant distraction in which you may also continue in paying attention to your actual physical expression, for your physical expression is equally as important as any other expression that you incorporate within this physical manifestation.

Therefore, notice how you are holding your physical body, whether you are generating tension within your muscles, whether you are affecting of your breathing. Most significant, pay attention to your solar plexus, your stomach. For you shall notice in the moments you are experiencing overwhelmingness or anxiety — depression — those muscles become tight.

ANET: It’s a closing down of energy in the emotional energy center.

ELIAS: It is a holding to that energy, and your physical body is responsive and begins to tense the muscles. I am expressing this to you for it is so familiar to you you do not even realize that it is occurring, for you do not move your attention to your physical body in examination of it clearly. This is a significant distraction also, which requires no medication — but it does require attention.

Now; I may express to you, you may also incorporate both if you are so choosing, recognizing and acknowledging your belief. Be remembering the example within our group interaction that was offered by the individual in relation to the photographing. I expressed to this individual that the point is not to be discounting or pushing away what you are experiencing and what you are expressing, or to be attempting to alter another individual’s expression, but without judgment merely acknowledge what you are expressing. “In the moment I incorporate a belief that medication is helpful to me in association with my manifestation of depression.”

Very well, you may be also incorporating a judgment that this action is not good or not necessary, but it IS the belief that you are incorporating in the moment. “Very well, I acknowledge that I am incorporating that belief. It is unnecessary to alter that belief, but I also incorporate choice. Therefore, I may be temporarily continuing to align with this belief, recognizing that I have incorporated this belief for a time framework. Therefore it incorporates a strength within myself, but I am attempting to explore other expressions also. Very well, this belief is in place and I acknowledge this belief is in place. I am not satisfied with this belief, therefore I am also choosing to explore other avenues, other choices, knowing they also are associated with beliefs, but it matters not.” Therefore, as you are moving from one expression to another, it is not bad to acknowledge that you are also continuing in one as you explore into another.

ANET: And transitioning.

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking. The point is to not overwhelm yourself and to not generate trauma, to not generate unnecessary conflict.

ANET: To be comfortable with making whatever change.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANET: Sort of related to that, I know everything in our physical reality, virtually everything, is a belief or a belief system. There are very few truths. Is there for foods, medications, nutritional products, is there a vibrational quality, a vibrational reality, something... I mean, we could take a sugar pill and it would cure something just as well as an antibiotic. But I’m not sure that’s true. I mean, certain things do have a vibrational quality that’s affecting of our physical body. Is that true?

ELIAS: If you choose it to be, and if you generate that. If you create that.

ANET: But in the way we set up our whole physical system, our physical bodies, even that we need food and water, that’s part of a belief, part of a belief system.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANET: But it would be pretty difficult for most of us to get away from doing it. I have trouble... What’s a belief that we can ignore or sort of discount, and what are the ones that are so entrenched that it would be hard not to honor them, like the sleeping and eating?

ELIAS: This is quite obvious, is it not? And it is dependent upon how you have chosen to be manifest within what culture. You have chosen this culture, which incorporates many beliefs concerning physical manifestations and what is necessary to be generating physical health and many beliefs concerning what may be detrimental to physical health.

You may have chosen another culture to be manifest within which aligns with different beliefs that do not concern themselves with the same expressions as do you. There are some individuals within other cultures that incorporate very little consumption of substances to sustain their physical body, so to speak, but also incorporate a different attention and different preferences in which they manipulate their physical bodies in very different manners.

ANET: But with something like let’s say exposure to radiation. I mean, if you took a person who didn’t even know anything about it, it’s like their cells believe that it’s detrimental.

ELIAS: Not necessarily.

ANET: Is it that they’ve taken on the cultural belief without even realizing objectively that they have?

ELIAS: As I have stated, it is a matter of your beliefs and awareness, and an awareness of your abilities. An individual may be exposed to that element within your physical dimension and be unaffected dependent upon their attention, their association and acknowledgment of their beliefs, their awareness of their abilities. An individual may be practicing and trusting their ability to manipulate their physical body structure and manifestation, and in your terms in the development of that action, may defy many of your beliefs concerning what is devastatingly affecting.

ANET: Like the people who drink strychnine and don’t have adverse effects.

ELIAS: Correct. It is a matter of what beliefs you align with and what you choose. You have created every manifestation, every expression within your physical reality. Therefore, if it is all a projection of yourself, how may it be harmful to you?

ANET: That’s a good point!

ELIAS: If you have generated nuclear power, if it is your creation and it springs from you and your energy, how may it be harmful to you? You have created it. It is harmful for you believe it is harmful. It is harmful for you to not believe you have created it. Something else has created it outside of you.

This is the snare, and this is directly associated with your line of questioning this morning. What is the real reality, and what is my reality? I am aware that create my reality, partially, but what is the real reality beyond merely my reality?

ANET: And there really is no such thing.

ELIAS: Correct. For the REAL reality that you are seeking would be an absolute that would be the separated other reality, which is the truth and the absolute and there is no absolute. The real reality is that which you generate, that which you see and you touch and you hear and you imagine. The entirety of the universe that you see before you is an extension of you. You have created it. This is the power of your perception.

Now; if you incorporate the power to generate all of that in actual physical manifestations, planets and stars, billions of individuals, mountains and oceans, and the complexity and intricacies of your own physical manifestation which are wondrous, you incorporate a tremendous power. And what may be a limitation to you if you create all of this effortlessly and with no thought?

ANET: Which is true freedom.

ELIAS: Correct. Do you think to yourself in your nighttime hours as you gaze into your atmosphere, “I shall create a star now and I shall open my eyes ... behold, there is a star!” No. You merely move your gaze to your heavens, and behold! You have created them, with no thought and with little expression of energy.

As you encounter a new individual — which you encounter the energy projection of the individual, not a physical manifestation — and as you encounter that individual, do you think to yourself, “Ah! Configure molecules and atoms and organs, now flesh, adding hair ... Ah! I have manifest this individual!” No. You instantaneously generate a projection of the individual in association with the energy they project to you, effortlessly.

But you confuse yourselves tremendously, for you concentrate your attention upon your thought process, expressing to yourself, “I wish to manifest this action. How may I generate this? I shall think and think and think.”

ANET: And as you’ve said, thought is a translation of communication. It’s not for creating.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANET: And even the metaphysical/New Age people still have that wrong.

I’m working on what I am intending to become a book, and I have a conflict realizing that people have a lot of birds in their belief system cages, and to offer some information in pure form — like nothing will hurt you, smoke, drink chlorinated water — that won’t work for most people at this point because they’re not at that point. I’m trying to reach a happy medium of not perpetuating beliefs and belief systems that are really nothing more than beliefs but yet still offering helpfulness, and I’m having trouble reaching that, achieving that balance.

ELIAS: Express YOU. Do not concern yourself with accommodating other individuals’ beliefs and you shall draw to yourself the audience of individuals of like spirit, and there are many. Allow yourself the freedom to express YOU, and do not concern yourself with other individuals’ choices or their beliefs or their expressions. It matters not. It is YOUR reality.

ANET: So my truths at this time, because obviously they shift. That works; that helps.

ELIAS: There are many, many, many individuals that are of like mind, so to speak, and of like spirit. If you are trusting yourself and your expression, you shall draw to yourself those individuals as your audience.

ANET: And it will be helpful to them.

ELIAS: If they are so choosing. For they also draw themselves to you to be exchanging energy, to be exchanging information, to be sharing experiences, which is in your terms helpful to you all.

ANET: That’s another thing I was thinking about. I know that trying to fix or heal somebody else, that’s really kind of not our place. But yet at least for me, there’s a value fulfillment, in Seth terms, of when people are seeking information, of offering that to them. Not forcing it on anybody, but they’re asking.

ELIAS: Correct. You are sharing, and sharing of experiences is helpful. You are offering an expression of energy to other individuals that are requesting.

ANET: Right. Only if they’re requesting.

ELIAS: Which is an honoring, so to speak, of each other.

ANET: Yes. It wouldn’t really help anything anyway; it wouldn’t be effective.

John/Tess has been getting information in the dream state and some from other sources about building some kind of a machine, some kind of device that he thinks would be helpful in — I hate to use the word healing — but in, I guess, restoring balance to the physical body. Is that coming from his essence or another focus of his essence?

ELIAS: Another aspect of his essence, yes. He is tapping into other aspects of himself and drawing upon that energy and inspiration, so to speak, which is filtering through an avenue of communication within himself and he is paying attention.

ANET: So to continue this, presuming he is interested in continuing, how should he go about doing this, getting more information? Paying attention to his dreams?

ELIAS: And in his communications that he offers to himself through imagination. For he is offering himself inspirations, and this is significant.

ANET: So be paying attention to these.

ELIAS: Yes. They are communications.

ANET: And this is something that he can manifest?

ELIAS: If he is so choosing, yes.

ANET: For the last year and a half or so, since I’ve stopped working in a regular job, I’ve not been generating income but I need to be, and I’m trying a couple of different avenues of it. I know I don’t want to tie it to the book I’m putting together, to saddle that with needing to generate income, but I’m kind of at a loss of what directions to look to be doing that.

ELIAS: Listen to yourself. Pay attention to your preferences. Pay attention to your communications that you offer to yourself. Pay attention to what you want, and allow yourself the freedom to incorporate your creativity in association with your direction.

As you identify what you want and what are your preferences, if you incorporate your creativity, you may also manifest any action and create money in association with that. Remind yourself if you may generate a star with no effort, you may generate PAPER.

ANET: (Laughs and Elias chuckles) It seems pretty minor in comparison. We make it hard because we try too hard. We think it’s difficult, so it becomes difficult.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANET: It’s another one of those things that I know on an intellectual level, but on a belief level...

ELIAS: This is the reason that it is significant to pay attention to your beliefs and what is influencing you and what motivates you and what you are actually DOING. This is tremendously important.

ANET: Birds, now all birds have incorporated some of the essence of Rose. I recall reading that. I love birds, I feed them in my backyard and that kind of thing, and I understand we’re getting information subjectively from them. I wonder sometimes when I see unusual kinds come to my backyard, can we get information objectively?

ELIAS: Yes. It is merely a matter of listening to yourself and allowing yourself to translate your own communications.

ANET: So when I see a new blue bird, what does this mean what does it make me think of?

ELIAS: Listen to your communications within you — your impressions, your emotions, your senses, your imagination. These are all avenues of communication, and allow yourself an openness to these communications. Also allow yourself an openness to your associations in the moment. What is significant, what are you noticing, what are you DOING? Once again, what are you generating around you? For it is all your creation. Allow yourself in that openness to translate the imagery in association with the bird and what the bird is manifesting in association with what you are generating.

ANET: Fit it into the story, so to speak.

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes.

ANET: Some of the energy techniques for emotional healing and belief changes — I should put quotes around that — like there is Thought Field Therapy, tapping on meridian points, those types of things. That’s another belief system, and that’s why it works?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANET: People are giving themselves an avenue to make changes that they want to make but they don’t think they can spontaneously make.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANET: Okay, that’s what I thought. Oh, this has always puzzled me. It seems logically that sun exposure should be good for us, yet it does seem that it causes skin damage.

ELIAS: In some cultures.

ANET: In this culture, even when it was considered good for people, it still did cause changes like wrinkling and whatever.

ELIAS: I am understanding, but recognize the nature of the beliefs associated with your society, the mass beliefs for generations and generations and generations — many, many, many, many, many years. They change, but you incorporate a culture which expresses mass beliefs in association with physical manifestations and has for an extended time framework. It is not new, so to speak. There are other cultures which express mass beliefs which do not incorporate alignment with those types of beliefs, and therefore they do not manifest those expressions. It is not good or bad, my friend. It is merely a different choice of experience. (Pause)

ANET: Has my essence had focuses that were associated with Elias’ focuses?


ANET: In France?


ANET: The 1800s?


ANET: I guess a lot of people that are in the forum have known each other.


ANET: Or DO, I should say, ‘cause there is no time.


ANET: I sensed that. Is the focus that I’ve been aware of in France, the one I call Sophie-Marie — I don’t think that was her name — is that valid or is that something I just made up?

ELIAS: This is a valid impression.

ANET: She must be close in tone.


ANET: There’s a lot of other focuses that I feel like I’m aware of, and I never know if I’m making it up or if there’s a reality to it.

ELIAS: Is it quite real and quite valid. Let me express to you, my friend, imagination is an avenue of communication. It is quite REAL. Therefore, if you in your terms have imagined, you have created, and it is quite valid.

ANET: But could I as a focus create another focus of my essence?

ELIAS: You are all of essence. You are not a PART of essence. You are ALL of essence, and all of these focuses are you. They are attentions, or I may modify that statement and say they are movements of attention.

You have created this room, have you not?

ANET: Yes.

ELIAS: You are occupying this room, presently. As you focus your attention through your vision in this direction, you create specific manifestations. If you turn your physical body in the opposite direction, does it negate that you are continuing to create what is behind you, although you may not view it?

ANET: Right. It doesn’t disappear.

ELIAS: Correct. Is what [is] before you and what [is] behind you any less valid?


ELIAS: Is your attention in one direction any less you? Is it a PIECE of you? No. It is you. Your attention is you.

ANET: Once you’ve created something, it doesn’t go away because you move your attention away from it.

ELIAS: Unless you choose to unmanifest it.

ANET: Can we unmanifest focuses?

ELIAS: Yes, and you can generate other focuses.

ANET: So the number of focuses, like I could come back next week and my number of focuses could be different.

ELIAS: Correct. It is not an absolute either. I offer the physical numbering in association with the moment and the time framework in which it is inquired. Generally speaking, essences do continue to manifest that number, so to speak, although as I have stated, it is not an absolute. It IS changeable. But generally speaking, for the essence does generate all of the focuses simultaneously, they are all occurring at once, so to speak. They do not necessarily fluctuate much, for it is unnecessary. There are many, many, many other expressions of allowance of experience within these physical dimension manifestations, such as counterpart action, observing essences, which fluctuate continuously.

ANET: Those are more fluid than the physical manifestations?

ELIAS: Not necessarily more fluid, but there is much more fluctuation. You alter those much more frequently. You do not necessarily manifest an observing essence action for the entirety of a focus, or you may. You may be engaging counterpart action with countless individuals, and you may generate that and discontinue it, and regenerate it and discontinue it, or you may continue it throughout the entirety of your focus with certain individuals. But this is a continuous fluctuation, all to offer you experience.

ANET: Like watching certain scenes of a movie but not watching the whole movie. You tune back in because you want to see this part.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANET: It’s more efficient that way.

ELIAS: In this manner it is unnecessary for you to generate as an essence thousands and thousands and thousands of focuses of attention, which are physical manifestations.

ANET: In this focus that I’m in now, with the shift in consciousness how much is it going to change while I’m here? I know it’s supposed to basically be fully manifest by 2075.

ELIAS: Approximately.

ANET: But I’ve wondered, while I’m still around how much...

ELIAS: It is your choice. You may fully realize the shift within your focus, or you may not. It is your choice. The shift IS already.

ANET: I know you’ve said that, but we just haven’t quite gotten it. I mean, our culture couldn’t even convert to the metric system! (Laughs) I mean, it does seem like there’s a lot of... I guess I’m creating a reality in which I see a lot of resistance around me, which would be a reflection of resistance in myself.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANET: Sometimes it’s easier for me to think that the way creating reality really is is like creating a dream. It’s pretty much the same thing.

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking; it is quite abstract. Objective reality is quite abstract.

ANET: But it’s easier for me to think of a dream as being that way, and then translate it into physical reality. (Pause)

My left foot has had poor circulation and swelled for no apparent reason for like the past 12 or 13 years. I know you would ask me what does that mean to me, what is the communication. I would say it’s hesitation in moving forward.

ELIAS: Partially, but also it is a manifestation of a specific energy. You have chosen your left, for the left is associated with male gender and intellect, and you are shifting. Therefore, you manifest within your foot, yes, as symbolism of hesitation, but also directly associated with shifting from the male to the female and intuition.

ANET: So that’s why it started tingling in the last few months. I’ll feel a tingling, and it got really pronounced when I came here this weekend. I knew there was a connection.

ELIAS: This is associated with shifting.

ANET: Shifting from intellectual, being left, to intuition, being right.

ELIAS: Correct. There is duality that is natural to your physical dimension that is associated with male and female, for your physical dimension is designed for the exploration of sexuality. Sexuality is the expression of ALL physical manifestation in this physical dimension.

In that, you have chosen to be exploring in the manifestation of duality. Therefore, you associate all of your reality in respect to gender, male and female, male energy, female energy. To this point within your history, you have aligned with the left, the male, the intellect. Now you are shifting and you are moving to the right, the female, the intuition.

ANET: Of the focuses I’ve had in this dimension, have more been male than female?

ELIAS: Slightly.

ANET: Are more of my future focuses female than male, or does it really matter?

ELIAS: Not necessarily.

ANET: What about John’s, has he had more male or female focuses?

ELIAS: Slightly more male.

ANET: So we’ve both have had slightly more male. Other-dimensional focuses, we have them as well.


ANET: Is there an infinite number of those, or...?


ANET: I’m aware of at least one. In this timeframe, how many other-dimensional focuses do I have?

ELIAS: They are countless.

ANET: I guess it’s ones that would be closer in tone that I would be able to be aware of?

ELIAS: They are countless.

ANET: Sometimes I look at other people and I can almost see an other-dimensional focus. I’m not making this up again? (Laughing)

ELIAS: No. You are allowing yourself to thin the veils of separation.

ANET: It’s happened with two different people, and it’s pretty interesting. I can almost, but not quite, see it superimposed, but close.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

ANET: Am I likely to, in this focus, to engage in channeling of my essence or a focus of my essence, or even possibly an energy exchange with another essence?

ELIAS: This also is your choice.

ANET: It’s an option that’s open.


ANET: Okay, I sensed that. Would it be my own essence or an energy exchange with another?

ELIAS: It is your choice. (Pause)

ANET: Why in our aging process, why do we manifest gray hair?

ELIAS: It is associated with your beliefs.

ANET: But I wondered what particular significance ... is it like a camouflage thing?

ELIAS: Not necessarily. It is associated with your beliefs that you alter your physical appearance as you generate more age, and that you lose certain expressions as you generate more age. One of the expressions that you lose is your pigment of your hair, but this also is associated with a belief.

ANET: I guess in reality, the physical aging we wouldn’t have to... I think we’ve made a choice, though, that we want to be able to tell by looking at people, have some idea of how old they are. It’s like a cultural choice.


ANET: But beyond that, the deterioration...

ELIAS: It is an individual choice also.

ANET: That’s true. Some people might not care if everybody thought they were 20 when they were 70. But it’s not because of exposure to things in the environment or whatever?


ANET: It’s ALL a choice. It’s all beliefs.


ANET: Because that’s part of what I’m exploring in my book. I know that the thing of it, you know, the DNA theories, that that’s not accurate. It’s our perceptions.

ELIAS: Now; I may express to you, your perception is quite real. It does generate your reality, and your reality is quite real. It is influenced by your beliefs, but that does not discount the reality of it.

ANET: But we still have choice.

ELIAS: Yes, you do incorporate choice, which allows you to manipulate your perception in the manner in which you choose, associated with the beliefs that you choose.

ANET: Because at this point, most people don’t think they have choice.

ELIAS: I am aware. And this is shifting.

ANET: I know. Some people are obviously shifting in that area. (Pause)

Are you aware of something called soul retrieval, where people feel that they lost a piece of themselves due to some trauma, and then they go through a shamanistic technique? Is there any validity to that? I mean, can you incorporate another aspect of yourself back into yourself?

ELIAS: It is not a matter of loss, but it is a matter of beliefs.

ANET: An awareness of that aspect.

ELIAS: Yes. In this, as I have stated, your beliefs very strongly influence your perception, and your perception generates an actual physical reality. Therefore, what is expressed in any individual’s reality is not to be discounted, for it is quite real. It may be influenced by the individual’s beliefs, but this generates no less of a reality.

ANET: So you could project part of yourself as seemingly separate from yourself and then go get it back.

ELIAS: Figuratively speaking.

ANET: Am I acquainted with any of the other currently incarnated focuses of my essence?


ANET: Are any of them in this country? (Pause)


ANET: A little girl?

ELIAS: No. You are tapping into another focus within another time framework.

ANET: That’s a past one?


ANET: Do I have a famous focus?

ELIAS: Yes, and I shall be encouraging of you to be investigating.

ANET: (Laughing) In the past?


ANET: Well, I can cross off Henry David Thoreau, ‘cause I was just observing. (Laughs) That’s what I suspected with him. What about John? John has a famous one?


ANET: Is his in the future?


ANET: Atlantis, is that like a future probability?

ELIAS: No. It is another dimension and is occurring now.

ANET: On this physical Earth but in another dimension.

ELIAS: It occupies the same space arrangement, but it is another physical dimension.

ANET: But it’s simultaneous?


ANET: So a focus in Atlantis, would it be a simultaneous but it’s one of the other-dimensional focuses?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANET: Is that the one that John ... is John receiving information from his Atlantis focus?

ELIAS: Partially, not entirely.

ANET: And also one in Greece?

ELIAS: Partially.

ANET: I have a friend, a female friend who I was very close with, and then it seemed a year ago approximately she kind of didn’t want anything to do with me and just became borderline hostile, but it’s veiled. I can’t quite figure out what led to that. Is it something that’s happening in other focuses that we share that’s influencing of this one?

ELIAS: Partially, but slightly. This is more so associated with THIS focus.

ANET: I sensed there was an aspect change in her, that she chose a different aspect at that time and that had something to do with it.

ELIAS: Yes, this is also partially affecting.

ANET: Are there other things I just haven’t picked up that are causative factors that I’m oblivious to?

ELIAS: Presently, yes.

ANET: Okay, because that’s kind of been a big puzzle. (Pause)

I’ve shared focuses with my second husband, Jim. He and I have shared focuses before this one?


ANET: Were they influencing of our experience in this one?

ELIAS: All of your focuses are influencing, for they are all you. But you generate your choices in this focus.

ANET: Is he of the Ilda essence family?


ANET: How about my brother, Eddie? What’s his essence family and alignment?

ELIAS: And your impression?

ANET: He’s interested in art, the creativity — some Sumari but that’s not predominant. He doesn’t have Milumet?

ELIAS: Essence family, Sumari; alignment, Zuli.

ANET: That’s kind of a surprise. I don’t think I would have guessed that one. (Elias chuckles) My other brother I think has a Zuli alignment. It’s more obvious with him.

ELIAS: This is belonging to.

ANET: Oh. Could I get his alignment?

ELIAS: Borledim.

ANET: I thought of that but dismissed it! (Both laugh)

ELIAS: There’s been sort of a rift with him that I don’t completely understand either. I expect it has something to do with his friendship with my previous husband.

ELIAS: If you are generating a rift, so to speak, this is your creation. Therefore, examine your choices and your expressions.

ANET: Okay, that makes sense. (Pause)

When people do space clearing, as they call it, with sage and sound, can we really change the energy of a room or an object, or just changing our perception of it is what we’re doing?

ELIAS: As you change your perception, you change your actual physical reality. And yes, you may manipulate ANY aspect of your physical reality. You may manipulate the energy; you may manipulate physical manifestations. Any aspect of your reality, you do incorporate the ability to alter.

ANET: But when it’s altered, like if I did a space clearing and then somebody else came in and they could tell a difference in the energy, they would be agreeing to sort of buy into my reality, my perception?

ELIAS: They may be in agreement to be creating a similar reality themselves, but your reality is your reality. It is unique to you.

ANET: So it’s just a belief that we need to do the sage or the bells or whatever. We could instantaneously change it by just deciding to change it.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANET: But we need the ritual like we need the medications, that sort of thing.

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking. It is a focal point, and some individuals prefer ritual.

ANET: Yes, there is a draw.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANET: Have I made a choice of when to disengage from this focus?

ELIAS: No. The choice to be disengaging is generated in the moment. You choose the moment and you generate the outcome in the moment.

ANET: We don’t have planned times?


ANET: So when somebody predicts someone’s death or how long they’re going to live, is that reading probabilities?

ELIAS: It is speculation and tapping into potentials, but any individual that offers an absolute prediction concerning ANY event is inaccurate and quite presumptuous, for this negates choice and free will, which is intrinsic to you.

ANET: What I’ve always felt is that people who make predictions or when I make predictions, it’s tapping into what I call the currently dominant probabilities.

ELIAS: This is not to say that those probabilities shall necessarily be chosen.

ANET: Exactly. The dominant probability right now may be completely different than the dominant probability an hour from now.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANET: And the reason why their predictions are as accurate as they are is because we do tend to not change drastically.

ELIAS: Many times, but also individuals within your physical reality are quite suggestible.

ANET: Ah! Make the prediction and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANET: Very often, probably.

I’m interested in palmistry, and I see it as not negating choice. I see it as reflecting choices that have been made and things that we’re creating for our future and that sort of thing. It seems to me to be somewhat accurate.

ELIAS: It merely is another focal point, another avenue of allowing yourself to view energy and the directions that individuals are incorporating, no different than Tarot or crystals. Many individuals choose to be incorporating focal points, which is quite acceptable. It offers you an avenue in which you allow yourself to tap into energy.

ANET: Has my alignment in this focus fluctuated at times towards Sumari?


ANET: Because I’ve been very drawn to divination techniques. My sister has a Sumari alignment. (Pause)


ANET: And the essence family, is it Milumet?


ANET: Not Zuli.

ELIAS: Borledim.

ANET: I thought of that again, and then dismissed it. (Laughs) Is there anything else, any information you could give me about something that would be helpful that I haven’t asked?

ELIAS: I express to you to allow yourself to assimilate what you have presented to yourself in information in relation to your interactions with myself in this conversation and in the information which was offered in our group session also. Assimilate and notice, and this shall be, in your terms presently, enough.

ANET: There’s enough on my plate! (Laughing) Have I had subjective information from you prior to this weekend?


ANET: When did that start? How long ago?

ELIAS: In your time framework, several years.

ANET: Is that why I was so strongly drawn to the Seth material when I was?


ANET: In preparation, that’s what I thought. It’s almost like I can almost remember a whole lot of stuff that I can’t quite get a grasp on.

ELIAS: Do not force your energy. Allow yourself to assimilate. (1 minute 34-second pause) I offer to you my energy, my friend. Accept this in encouragement.

ANET: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome. I anticipate our next meeting and express to you tremendous affection. I shall be offering supportiveness to you, and if you are so choosing to be expressing an openness, you may anticipate my energy in expression of blue manifestations.

ANET: The blue birds! (Laughing) Okay.

ELIAS: Rose is not merely the only essence that may be incorporating physical manifestations! (Chuckles) Very well, my friend. To you in tremendous affection, au revoir.

ANET: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 11:55 AM.

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