Thursday, September 26, 2002 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Anjuli (Myranda)
Elias arrives at 10:58 AM. (Arrival time is 20 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good afternoon!

ANJULI: Hey, Elias, I was so curious about how your voice would be sounding! Your voice sounds almost like the original one, like before. Michael’s voice sounds like a little bird in a nest. It’s so great to interact with you through the energy exchange again.

ELIAS: Ah, yes, my friend. (Chuckles)

ANJULI: I like all the various ways of interacting with you. Elias, tomorrow we are going to have the anniversary of our first session.

ELIAS: Ah, a marker point.

ANJULI: Yes, and isn’t it great that I created the energy exchange of us being back on the day before we have our anniversary?

ELIAS: Ha ha! And tomorrow we shall celebrate.

ANJULI: Yes, we shall celebrate. I thought of a celebration of both of us at the island during the time when we had that session, at our hour, and then later we celebrate at the Alterversity with everyone.

ELIAS: Very well.

ANJULI: What an experience was that for you? You don’t have linear time, so there is no time difference for you, but did you experience that as, not as a pause, but doing many other things?

ELIAS: Yes. In a manner of speaking there has been what you may term to be a pause momentarily, but I continue to be interactive with all of you, and therefore there has been no interruption in that interaction.

ANJULI: Yes, we felt that. When it started to happen and we talked about why we created it and that it is of course different for everyone, we felt for the group that we wanted to create trusting more into our direct interaction with you.

ELIAS: Yes. And what have you offered yourself in information in this time framework?

ANJULI: Oh, Elias, I was focusing on feeling your energy and how I translate that. So for example when there was a certain energy expression from you, I tried to feel into the various ways of imagery of how I can translate that so it is not distorted, because I saw there is not necessarily always just one way of translating that.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Then I tried to feel a little bit the differences of translating that and which one is maybe less distorted, for to learn a little bit more about my perception and my beliefs. After all, I want to translate your energy into a solid form, so I want to learn to feel into your energy not in the way of how I probably would expect it or want it, but also into energy expressions that are new for me or surprising to me or different than I would expect it.

ELIAS: And what have you discovered in relation to your perception?

ANJULI: I discovered so, so many beliefs. Especially I was busy with the duplicity belief of discounting of self, and at that time I tried to think my perception to be an Alterversity perception. I call that “Alterversity perception” because I want to go there in physical solidity, and I wanted to have this feeling that this is the perception I have. There were lots of challenging situations, and I thought I am really addressing to lots of beliefs because I really want to trust myself about translating you into solid form and to do that without distortion. So I again tried to see the situations as kind of food for this Alterversity perception or this Elias perception or this clear perception.

At the end of that time my feeling of interacting with you was more ... there was more clarity. For the first time I did not feel the need anymore to explain what I had been communicating with you, to get that validated or corrected from you in this session. There was more the feeling that this other communication with you is like the session, as valid or as real as the session, and the questions I would now ask during the session are more for to get a new angle on something or for to reinforce certain experiences.

ELIAS: I am understanding. Therefore you are discovering new trust within yourself.

ANJULI: Yes, a lot. I thought I could use a few examples about what energy I felt and how I translated that.

ELIAS: Very well.

ANJULI: When Michael started to reschedule the sessions before he stopped them, I felt a little bit challenged and discovered some victim beliefs. I thought I am sort of the victim of how Michael feels or of his calendar, so to speak. I realized that, of course, but still felt like that. Then in that time I had an energy interaction with you. There were some playful aspects of your energy, and I translated them into an imagery of you showing me your calendar and there is written “Myranda” all the time. (Elias laughs) That was a translation of you telling me that I can be interactive with you all the time; that I translated it into this imagery was feeling to me more clear, as if I would have translated your energy into a sentence, because it was so vivid. It really entered me.

ELIAS: Yes, I am quite understanding, and I may express to you also that this is an actual expression of encountering my energy, which has been present with you.

ANJULI: I think this example of translating it into the imagery of the calendar was the most fitting of the various possibilities of how I could have translated it.

ELIAS: Yes. Ha ha ha!

ANJULI: Oh, that was great, Elias. Then of course I realized that actually I have a calendar with the choices of what I want to do. Nobody else is creating my reality, so there is not a calendar of Michael or anybody else. (Laughs)

ELIAS: Correct. Ha ha! Therefore you have illustrated to yourself what YOU create. In this, do you also recognize a tremendous liberty that you offer to yourself in recognizing that you do create every aspect of your reality? For in this, you do not fall victim to other individuals.

ANJULI: Yes, exactly. Of course I had lots of fun with that and realized that I purposefully created that because after all I really want to have a more clear direct connection with you. I mean, in addition, I am very, very interested into the energy exchange, but after all I really want to learn to translate your energy into the objective. As I did not have sessions coming up, I supported myself in this trust of self and in my exploring of your energy.

ELIAS: Yes, I am understanding, which also allows you to become more familiar with yourself.

ANJULI: I know that I am always connected with you, but when I have my attention more on discovering my own energy, I don’t allow myself to ask you, for example, because I want to ask myself. These are times in which I want to realize that I am not less than you.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: I also saw that I created a few situations which helped me to see that I start to feel more really like an essence equal to you, not so much as a student anymore. I mean, I am learning from you, but also it is this feeling of, well, equal.

ELIAS: Yes, and in this, my friend, allow yourself the recognition that in actuality you are not learning from me. I am not teaching you, for I do not possess more information than do you. But you are allowing yourself to share and travel with myself, and in that allowance, you also allow yourself your remembrance and your discovery of you. Therefore, in actuality, you are offering yourself the information. I am merely sharing your journey with you.

ANJULI: I can also see it as a fun and a playfulness. Sometimes I was even aware of that. I of course knew that I can answer the questions I had myself. I felt the answer in me. But because it is so much fun to communicate with you, I just communicate with you. That is my way of how I give knowledge. I could give the same knowledge directly to me, but it is after all more fun.

ELIAS: Correct, this is the nature of friendship. In this, do you not share with other friends your experiences, and do you not benefit yourself in that sharing of experiences, and do you not also offer yourself information in relation to yourself as you share your experiences with other individuals? I am perhaps merely a clearer reflection.

ANJULI: There also was the impression that the more there is the feeling of being equal, you start to interact differently with me, like you interact differently with somebody who has been growing. You start to interact in a different way.

ELIAS: I am understanding what you are expressing, and you are quite correct. For even within your physical reality you interact more comprehensively with each other as you physically grow, do you not? You interact differently with small ones than you do with individuals that have moved into adulthood.

ANJULI: Yes. It is more feeling that it is no longer so much an interaction in which I need your support or what, which I still need and will get of course, but it is more a feeling of partners.

ELIAS: Correct, which also offers support and encouragement. But more than support and encouragement, the offering is of appreciation.

ANJULI: I am also widening in getting lots of knowledge about you, so that’s about knowledge and appreciation.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: My Leslie focus in her first session right away asked about true love. I laughed about that so much. She is really ... I am me. (Laughs) I really would like to experience true love with you, but then also of course with others. It takes a little time when I want to experience that with physical focuses. That was a little bit challenging, because I felt my beliefs and the discounting of self to be a little bit an obstacle to that. So I was addressing to that in that time a lot. Sometimes it was challenging, but I learned a lot.

ELIAS: And what do you perceive to be your obstacles?

ANJULI: That I didn’t have the attention on self. Let’s say I write a mail. I sometimes used to answer to a mail because I thought I should or I didn’t listen to what I communicate to myself. For example, when I have the feeling of a certain energy, then I did not really listen to my feeling about that or was not really trusting that impression. I was either judging others too much or was perceiving somebody as more wide as they are. I talked with my counterpart Ahmed about that, and he created that too. We realized that we are sometimes so much desiring for certain kinds of relationships that we try to see the others like that, in the way of how we desire them to be and then we create challenge, and this is not really a true love.

ELIAS: Correct, and in this as you generate this appreciation of yourself and you generate the acceptance of yourself, you relax within your energy and you naturally draw to yourself your desire.

ANJULI: Did you interrupt our phone, when I talked with Ahmed about that challenging situation?

ELIAS: I may express to you that I did not interrupt, but I was present. Ha ha ha!

ANJULI: So when I understood him and he not me anymore, did I create the physical aspect of that or did you or we both?

ELIAS: Both.

ANJULI: Sometimes I do not know who is who, because we are after all together. (Elias chuckles)

Another example about your energy and my translation was just recently, after the time when I was very busy with getting more intimate with myself and widening and all that. I allowed myself to much more play with you, because I was sure again that I don’t see you as a you-ness. I was sort of diving into your energy, and I felt so much being in there that I couldn’t think anymore of my essence and your essence. It was not like our energy mixture anymore. There was no separation at all. It was as if I was your focus. I don’t know how to explain it in words.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

ANJULI: Has this been a mergence?

ELIAS: Yes, and you have objectively recognized it.

ANJULI: I translated your energy as you saying it was a mergence. After that, I was thinking how my energy feels to you. I was thinking, are my energy centers aligned, am I wide enough? (Laughs)

ELIAS: It is unnecessary to question yourself, my friend. You have offered yourself an experience and you have recognized it objectively. Now you may know the experience of being, not necessarily of identity as one separate entity but as being consciousness.

ANJULI: Yes, that is how it felt. It was not a feeling of I am a separate Myranda essence. I was at that time your essence, so that was consciousness who was I.

ELIAS: Yes, and this is quite valuable that you have offered yourself this experience, for you may move this experience into your physical reality to validate to yourself the lack of separation between yourself and all of your universe and every other individual and every other aspect of all of your physical reality.

ANJULI: Yes, and I was then curious on how you experience me or how you experience the energy of other individuals, because I knew you would never be challenged by other energies and I am sometimes challenged by other energies. So I tried to switch me-ness and to be you and then see how you experience that. It is different for you because you have this essence awareness, and I am connecting more with the focus energy. You see more the together playing of all focuses of the essence you connect with and you always have your attention on self. That is why it is different for you.

ELIAS: Correct. But as I have stated, you have offered yourself a valuable experience, my friend, that you may draw upon and that you may hold within your memory and remind yourself of that being and that lack of separation and that knowing that there is no separate entity and all is interconnected. Therefore, all that you view outside of yourself within your reality is also you and part of your beingness.

ANJULI: When I don’t judge that anymore and hold that feeling of knowledge and appreciation, then I will also not be challenged by any energy anymore?

ELIAS: Correct, and this is the point.

ANJULI: After that I tried to see how you are experiencing my energy when I am, for example, touching your energy, your focuses. I am so curious about that since the last session in which I was connected with the aspect of you which is doing the energy exchange and the other one which I always called the intense one and that I am now calling Inmi-Elias. It is so interesting to again and again remember that and then to touch, so to speak, your aspects. I wanted to know how you feel about that and how my energy feels to you for to learn more about my energy. Because I thought when I am outside of my own energy, I can experience me from there in another way.

ELIAS: It may be difficult to describe in language the experience, for it does not actually incorporate a feeling.

ANJULI: Ja, I know. When I had this experience of looking at myself from the view you have, I translated that into an imagery of a kitten that is curious and playful, that you see my energy like that and it is sort of amusing or interesting for you. When I watch a kitten, it is extremely interesting for me when it explores the world.

ELIAS: Ah, yes. I may express to you this is quite an accurate analogy.

ANJULI: (Laughs) Cats are so fascinating for me for they have green eyes, so I could see them as my essence color wintergreen and they are playful. I am using the analogy of a kitten because I sometimes view myself as not necessarily being in my dimension but in yours, and there I am sort of new. It also is an imagery of snuggle-ness and of desiring for freedom — living freedom, not desiring for freedom, living freely.

ELIAS: Yes, and now you may translate that into your objective physical reality also.

ANJULI: We talked about my focuses in your dimension, but this is an experience of this focus and is more about what I called in the other session as an experience of not being born, and I think I don’t separate my dimension and yours. Sometimes I was just, so to speak, escaping into your dimension. Or not escaping, I think my attention was there more than in mine. It relaxes me...

ELIAS: I am understanding.

ANJULI: ...when I don’t feel to be in a physical dimension. My entire reality, this objective imagery, is a translation that I feel to be very abstract, and when I have this experience of being in your dimension I feel the nonphysical energy experience to be more valid and more real.

ELIAS: I am understanding. Subsequently in allowing yourself this respite, so to speak, you also offer yourself a renewed clarity, do you not?

ANJULI: Ja. Has this experience also something to do with the counterpart action with you and the knowledge I am giving myself with that?

ELIAS: Partially, yes.

ANJULI: Ja, but it is also just my interest into your dimension and holding my attention there?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: I started to have more and more the desire to experience energy more in the way you experience it, because there is so much information you can get and it is tremendously interesting. I can, of course, with this focus balance the subjective and the objective more, and when I am learning how to focus my attention, I can get more of those experiences you have in your dimension.

ELIAS: I am understanding. This also may be beneficial in allowing you to incorporate more clarity objectively as you move into that balance.

ANJULI: Is it then more a balancing of what I create in objective imagery through my perception when I am more aware of and more focusing on the subjective? I am at times more focusing on the subjective, but will it end up in a balance of both?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Regarding imageries of subjective energy exchanges with you, there was another time, in-between the examples I so far used with the calendar and the kitten, in which I was also a little bit challenged and I was also trying to allow myself experiencing your energy in an unexpected way, because I wanted to learn that. For example, when I am creating being at the Alterversity in physical solidity and when I am then translating you in physical form, you may say something and act in a way that is not what I expect, and I thought I need to train that.

In that time, when I was incorporating some seriousness, you were suggesting to me to swim with you. I thought about the energy of that, because I was aware that I could have translated it differently, which would have been all right also. The swimming with you is this ocean of consciousness. The water is the imagery for this state of being.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

ANJULI: Then we are playing there, and the water also is an imagery for the fluidity, not solid and rigid.

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Then I translated your energy as diving with me into the water. I did not need to breath when doing that, and this was great, great fun. Was this whole translation also correct?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: When we were swimming, I created the people at the Alterversity to be joining us, and there was suddenly a feeling of the aligning of the energies of all of them, which was surprising for me. I realized the power of the group with a common focal point at the Alterversity and the playfulness of them. I first translated it in an imagery of all of them splashing with the water. Each one of them was playing with the water and the water drops were joining. Then I became aware that this was also a uniting of the energy of the group, and I also had the feeling that this was sort of a merging.

ELIAS: Yes. You are creating great fun, are you not?

ANJULI: Oh yes, yes, I am! So I am much more tapping into the energy of that group now?

ELIAS: Yes, and also there is an allowance of the group with you, an openness.

ANJULI: I had a few impressions. I tried to connect with a few individuals there and to get names of them. There were four of them, and I got the first name and what I thought to be their family name. Later I thought that the second name they used is actually their essence name. I thought I could check that with you.

ELIAS: Very well.

ANJULI: The first individual is John, and if that is the essence name that would be Nihual. I don’t know how it is pronounced. That is how I wrote it down.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: And that’s his essence name?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: And the next one, the first name is Nelly and the essence name would be Arcor?

ELIAS: Archore.

ANJULI: Then the first name Ray, the essence name Zoltan?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: And then the first name Janos and the essence name Elsing?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Oh, Elias, am I not great? (Elias laughs) Oh, that’s just so great!

ELIAS: I am acknowledging of you, my friend. Now you may view that you do incorporate abilities to be tapping into information yourself.

ANJULI: Oh, Elias, I am so happy! I looked into some characters of my book and tried to find which essence they are representing. One is easy, because that is the brother of Triane, and Triane is Lawrence. That is Trean, and that would be Michael?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Then there is a character I called Guindie. I tried to get the essence name, and that is a name they used in the time of our Scotland focuses, so have this strange way of writing that. So is it something similar to Guinevere?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: That is an essence with a strong connection to the nonphysical essence Dunadin?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Well, Guinevere is nonphysical, but it feels as if it is one of those nonphysical essences that never were physical.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: That’s many “corrects.” Oh, Elias, it’s exciting! Just think of the many, many, many more information I can now give myself with this new trust.

ELIAS: And are you surprising yourself?

ANJULI: Yes, I am, I am a lot! Then there is a character Kumari, essence name Camzar.

ELIAS: Alter this to Camzar.

ANJULI: C-A-M-Z-A-R?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Then a character, Ainar, which would be the essence Antoinette?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: I discovered Antoinette because I tried to feel into the fragmenting essences of Timothy/Eliantan. I was not sure. So that is you, Elias, and then I thought that he fragmented from five or six essences?

ELIAS: Six.

ANJULI: These are Elias and then Dunadin...

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: ...Patel...

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: ...then the next fragmenting essence, Antoinette?

ELIAS: No, Antone.

ANJULI: Antone with an E at the end or just with the N?

ELIAS: E.

ANJULI: The next fragmenting essence is Briant, of which Ahmed fragmented from?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: So these are five. I would like to be in there too, so hopefully the sixth one is me, Myranda?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Oh, Elias! I am bursting! It’s just so great that I discovered the essences Eliantan fragmented from. That’s just so great! (Elias chuckles) Is Michael still all right?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Then I tried to get the birthday of Timothy/Eliantan, and I thought that probably there is a little bit of a fluctuation in the birthdays of future focuses of essences — or not.

ELIAS: No.

ANJULI: I got a birthday, but I am not sure, of course. That is the 3 May 2049.

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: I can’t believe that I am right there, too! Well, I asked him, but still. Did he fragment with the age of 23?

ELIAS: In what capacity?

ANJULI: Because he fragmented from you. First Timothy was belonging to your essence and then he fragmented.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: So was he 23 when this happened?

ELIAS: No.

ANJULI: No? Was it earlier?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Much earlier?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: When he was a child?

ELIAS: Infant.

ANJULI: With the age of eight?

ELIAS: No, infant. The moment of physical entry into the physical manifestation was the moment of fragmentation.

ANJULI: When he started to be a focus he was right away Eliantan, and not Elias before?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: I don’t understand that. So he is not as a focus fragmenting from you?

ELIAS: Yes, it is, but as I have stated, I also do not incorporate any future focuses in this physical dimension.

ANJULI: And so they decide to fragment in the first seconds?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: So when they were born, they were your focuses but were not?

ELIAS: (Coughing) Correct.

ANJULI: Are you all right?

ELIAS: Yes. (Coughing)

ANJULI: Is Michael all right?

ELIAS: Yes. Michael’s physical manifestation is somewhat irritated, but Michael, in your terms, is well.

ANJULI: Okay, I understand. Can we still continue a little bit?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: We talked about that extraterrestrial focus of Lawrence I am sometimes connecting with. I tried to get his name and I got Milianis. Is this correct?

ELIAS: Miliamis.

ANJULI: I felt him to be together with a few other essences, and I felt there to be a focus of the essence Lissa with the name Isidor.

ELIAS: These are translations, but yes.

ANJULI: I thought there to be a focus of you also, with the name Sandorin as a translation.

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: And a focus of myself with the name Lyrian, or Luryan.

ELIAS: Yes. You incorporate some challenge in attempting to translate these tones into your language, do you not? Ha ha ha!

ANJULI: Yes. (Laughs) I will have to see what kind of a dimension that is, but I thought probably it is one that when they would visit us, the translation of their body would be, of course, different than our bodies look like, but not so much different.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: So humanity would not feel too much challenged by them.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Is it the dimension that has the belief with the number 11? Because you said in a past session that our belief into the number 11 is a bleed-through from another dimension.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Then could it be that the characters from the planet Vulcan in our movies about Star Trek Enterprise are a translation of those individuals from that dimension?

ELIAS: Yes, although they do not incorporate the solidity that has been expressed in those characters.

ANJULI: They don’t use emotions, and they have a certain way of expressing energy which is sort of soothing to our challenge about beings without emotions?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: I got much more about them than I thought! Elias, I must have been just so great in that time in-between our sessions.

ELIAS: You have been quite busy! Ha ha ha!

ANJULI: Is my focus color sunrise rose?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: I got “yes” for everything.

ELIAS: (Laughs) Are you not quite pleased with yourself this day?

ANJULI: I am SO pleased, Elias. Do you have 12 essence families in your dimension?

ELIAS: No.

ANJULI: One “no” doesn’t matter.

ELIAS: (Laughs) I applaud you this day, my friend!

ANJULI: But you have more essence families than we have?

ELIAS: In actuality, no, for these groupings of essences that generate what we term to be essence families are more associated with physical dimensions.

ANJULI: You don’t need that so much.

ELIAS: Correct, for there is no expression of separation and there is no necessity for these types of groupings to be generating specific intents.

ANJULI: So I could not translate that into some sort of tone or name or what. There were two words coming into my mind when I thought about that. Maybe they are other essences. That is Arkandin and the other one coming into mind was Aviani. So where did those words come from in the connection with your dimension and the essence families?

ELIAS: Those are other essences.

ANJULI: Oh nice, nice, nice! I will try to feel into them.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! Very well, my friend.

ANJULI: Do we need to stop or can we still a little bit continue?

ELIAS: You may incorporate one more question.

ANJULI: Recently I was doing my meditation at night and I was widening my energy field and felt lots of expansion. Then I woke up with back pain, and I was wondering if I have moved some sort of blockage with this energy exploration. There are many reasons why I have this back pain, but was it related to that meditation, to my energy explorings?

ELIAS: Partially, yes.

ANJULI: I also used it for to more focus into this inner connection with you?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Well, Elias, we will have other sessions coming up and then I will ask you all the other questions.

ELIAS: Very well, my friend, we will continue conversations on and on.

ANJULI: Yes, and tomorrow we will celebrate on my island. I quickly need to tell you that when I was feeling into your focuses, my fluid focus from the fluid dimension gave me an imagery of you with your many attentions, which are not separate, being like an octopus. I had to laugh so much about that. He has beings like that in his dimension. He seems to like that a lot.

ELIAS: Quite playful, my friend, and I shall join you on the morrow at your island.

ANJULI: Oh, Elias, that was just so, so great as always with you. (Elias chuckles) I love you very, very, very much.

ELIAS: And I express to you as always my dear affection. I shall celebrate with you on the morrow, and in this day I offer you acknowledgment and applause at your successfulness. Ha ha ha! Until our next meeting, my friend, in lovingness, au revoir.

ANJULI: Au revoir, Elias.

Elias departs at 12:00 PM.

(1) Anjuli is referring to the two-month break in sessions when Mary had throat surgery.

(2) Anjuli’s note: I had written it down as Camzar, but pronounced it like Cum-zar. Elias pronounced it as Cam-zar.


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