Monday, June 10, 2002 (Private/In Person)
Participants: Mary (Michael), Beth (Lillyth) and Dianne
Elias arrives at 9:55 AM. (Arrival time is 22 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

BOTH: Good morning, Elias!

BETH: I've waited a long time for this! (Elias laughs) My name is Beth, and I'd like to know what my essence name is. (Pause)

ELIAS: Essence name, Lillyth (LIL lith), L-I-L-L-Y-T-H.

BETH: Thank you! And my family and alignment?

ELIAS: And your impression?

BETH: My impression is that my family is Sumari and my alignment is Zuli.

ELIAS: Correct.

BETH: Wow! I also wanted to know, and I have an impression on this, if I'm emotional, thought, political, or religious focused. My idea is that I'm thought focused.

ELIAS: Political.

BETH: That's a surprise. What does it mean to be politically focused?

ELIAS: Similar to a thought-focused individual, but incorporating more of an ease and awareness in relation to emotion.

BETH: And soft, intermediate or common? My idea was either common or intermediate.

ELIAS: Common.

BETH: I guess three years ago roughly I went to a past-life regression, my first session, and when I left the electric power went. The wire came down and there were two big blue balls of electricity. Was that you? (Elias nods and grins) Yes, I thought it was at the time. (Elias chuckles)

What was the meaning of my computer not being able to open up? When Vicki was sending the last six months' worth of sessions, I couldn't open them.

ELIAS: As you are aware, many individuals generated similar objective imagery within that time framework, and each individual created their unique imagery in relation to their individual directions.

In YOUR expression, this action allowed you an avenue of interaction in a specific manner with other individuals in sharing information. (Chuckles)

BETH: Elias, have I ever known you in other focuses?

ELIAS: Yes.

BETH: More than one?

ELIAS: Yes.

BETH: Any information as to any of those focuses, when they took place?

ELIAS: You may investigate one within eighth century Mongolia.

BETH: Thank you!

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

BETH: Getting to a question that's kind of been foremost in my life - and I have to take a minute to kind of phrase it - but I feel like I'm making a transition from what was the whole focus and point of my life to something different.

I chose in childhood to have a very traumatic abusive relationship with my mother, in combination with the fact that I also chose Tourette's Syndrome, which wasn't known to the medical profession at the time. I wonder if I chose that to push myself to notice something. What I created were very traumatic early years, and it took me many adult years to get past that. I feel like I've gotten past it, but I feel like I've spent my life first surviving and then getting past it. Now I feel like both of those have been accomplished, and I'm not sure what my intent is now or why I chose such a harsh way to teach myself something or to notice.

ELIAS: And now you offer yourself the opportunity to appreciate living rather than what you define as surviving, and allow yourself to explore appreciating.

BETH: Is there any meaning to why I chose this weird Tourette's Syndrome? My nephew chose it also. I don't know if it goes along with the issues with my mother, to force myself to notice or...?

ELIAS: Not necessarily. This also is an exploration of physical manifestations, which is quite in keeping with your alignment.

BETH: Of the Zuli.

ELIAS: Yes.

BETH: And I take it the sports and the athletics were in keeping with the Zuli also.

ELIAS: Yes.

BETH: My motivation used to be very negative. I forced myself to do things because I felt I had to do them, and now I feel that I have less motivation to do a lot of things. I feel like I need to replace a negative motivation with some type of motivation. I'm a little bit stuck in the interim here.

ELIAS: This is temporary. You are shifting, and in this you are moving from the familiar into the unfamiliar, and in your terms are creating a slight shakiness in not recognizing objectively what direction specifically that you wish to choose. But [you are] allowing yourself an openness within yourself to move with a natural flow of your energy, and therefore [an] allowance in your choices of accepting that in this time framework you are merely allowing yourself to adjust to new types of explorations in a different manner than you have within your past experiences.

In actuality, I am acknowledging of you in this allowance of yourself, for this is an efficient manner to be avoiding what you may view as future trauma in not overwhelming yourself.

BETH: Does that mean that I'm headed toward something that could be interpreted as future trauma?

ELIAS: No, you are allowing yourself NOT to overwhelm yourself, therefore avoiding that type of expression.

BETH: Good, great.

I have a question about a therapist that helped me immensely over a number of years, like 15 years. I never believed, even before I came to any Seth material or anything, that it was an accident. I felt that we chose each other or I chose him. I wondered if that was a prior agreement to coming into this focus with him, and whether I have any other focuses with him.

ELIAS: You do incorporate other focuses.

Now; as to a prior agreement, no. Let me offer to you explanation. You do generate what I have expressed as pools of probabilities prior to your manifestation in any particular focus. But this is merely a potential; it is not actual probabilities that you have generated or actual agreements, so to speak, with other individuals, but merely a potential of direction.

Once you manifest physically, each probability is generated in the moment. It is created in the moment. It is not that your probabilities have already been chosen. Choice is what creates probabilities, and choice is an action that occurs in the moment.

Therefore, yes, you have engaged other focuses with this individual...

BETH: Can you tell me the nature of any of those?

ELIAS: You have participated in several focuses with this individual and have generated several types of relationships, in friendships, as siblings, as cousins.

BETH: What is this therapist's family and alignment?

ELIAS: And your impression?

BETH: I'm not sure. (Elias laughs) The healing one, but I'm not sure what...

ELIAS: You are correct. Essence family, Tumold; alignment, Borledim.

BETH: My son Andy, who we adopted as an infant, chose to be mixed race and adopted. So he's chosen some interesting issues to deal with, which I think he's dealing with quite well. I feel like we're raising him with very few rules. I may term it as he's not motivated to achieve, although he has a really grand time and does what he wants to do. But my concern from a traditional standpoint is that he won't buckle down - I hate to use that term - and be able to support himself or do something like that. Even though I like to see him enjoying himself, I'm concerned about his ability to financially support himself if he doesn't choose something lucrative to do with his life. Are we raising him too freely, or is this what he chose and how he...?

ELIAS: Correct. It matters not.

BETH: What can you tell me about his family and alignment?

ELIAS: Offer your impression.

BETH: I haven't thought about it. I don't know.

ELIAS: Essence family, Sumari; alignment, Ilda.

BETH: I'm assuming I have other focuses with my son because I feel a very real closeness to him.

ELIAS: Yes.

BETH: My husband, Dave - again, I haven't thought about his family and alignment, but I do have that question.

ELIAS: Essence family, Sumafi; alignment in this focus, Milumet.

BETH: Thank you.

I have a question about myself. How many focuses do I have in this physical reality?

ELIAS: Seven hundred sixty-two.

BETH: Am I a final focus?

ELIAS: Are you?

BETH: No. (Laughs with Dianne, and Elias chuckles) Is that the answer?

ELIAS: Correct. (All laugh)

BETH: I don't know why I knew that!

ELIAS: This, I may express to you, in your terms may be one of your most obvious questions. Every individual within your physical dimension incorporates a clear knowing of their designation, so to speak, as a beginning focus, a continuing focus, or a final focus. This is one aspect of yourselves that you are clearly aware of.

BETH: And I'm a continuing focus?

ELIAS: Yes.

BETH: Seven sixty-two doesn't sound like a really large number. I've heard some larger numbers, Elias.

ELIAS: You are correct. This may be viewed as an intermediate numbering, average.

BETH: I have a really good friend, Dan. We get together every Sunday and discuss Seth and sometimes Elias material. First, I'd like his family and alignment, and I think his has to do with teaching. He thinks he's Sumari/Sumafi.

ELIAS: Correct.

BETH: He has an idea, and I do too, that for eons we've been friends and we've been discussing philosophical life-importance issues. Is that the case?

ELIAS: Yes.

BETH: We've shared many focuses?

ELIAS: Yes.

BETH: He got some information that we were monks at one time and good friends.

ELIAS: Yes.

BETH: He has some physical symptoms that have been bothering him for several years that he wanted me to ask about. He's been to a lot of different readings and things, trying to get a handle on it. It's sort of a sinus and it goes into his stomach, and it leaves him feeling a little bit depressed at times and anxious, so it's like a physical/emotional thing. He's having trouble understanding what that's all about. Can you shed any light on that? (Pause)

ELIAS: I may express to you that you may offer to this individual this is associated with communication, and the individual may be affecting of this temporarily in focusing his energy upon his yellow energy center, aligning that energy center, and allowing for a consistent relaxation periodically throughout his day, so to speak.

Now; be aware, this may be affecting merely temporary, for the issue involves communication.

BETH: To himself?

ELIAS: Yes.

BETH: So, he's trying to communicate something to himself?

ELIAS: He is not listening to his communications, but as a temporary remedy of actual physical symptoms he may be affecting and addressing to the physical tension and aligning this yellow energy center, which is quite out of alignment. But this also is an expression of not paying attention to his communications in association with his emotional communications.

BETH: That's not a big surprise to me. (All laugh)

ELIAS: You may express to this individual my invitation, if he is so choosing, to be discussing with myself individually this situation and I shall be available to offer more information. In this, you may merely express to him the telephone is ringing, ringing, ringing, ringing.

BETH: (Laughs) Do you know Dan in other focuses?

ELIAS: Yes.

BETH: Oh, Dan! I love Dan! (Beth and Dianne laugh)

DIANNE: And Dan drives me crazy! (Dianne and Elias laugh)

BETH: My long-time friend Dianne here, I'm taking it that we have connections in many focuses? I guess, sisters?

ELIAS: Yes.

BETH: Or siblings?

ELIAS: Yes.

BETH: Have there been other relationships? (Pause as Elias accesses, and then laughs loudly)

ELIAS: Yes! You have also engaged relationships as friends and lovers.

BETH: Ah!

DIANNE: You devil, you! (Both laugh, and Elias chuckles)

BETH: I have a question about a friend who was like a mother to me. Her name was Margaret. She died fifteen, sixteen years ago. She took over when I really needed someone to be a mother to me, and I was very close with her. I wondered where she is now in terms of transition. I guess basically I'm a little concerned about her, although that's personal responsibility for someone else. (Pause)

ELIAS: That attention continues to be within the action of transition.

Time is different within transition than you express within this physical dimension. There is an awareness of time within the action of nonphysical transition, but it is expressed quite differently.

BETH: I'm assuming it doesn't seem as long.

ELIAS: You are correct.

BETH: What's the significance of a person staying in transition versus moving on to whatever's after transition?

ELIAS: As I have stated, this is not a lengthy time framework for transition. Within transition, that expression within your time framework may be sensed by the individual comparable to perhaps six of your months, which in terms of the action of transition this is what you may term to be a quick movement. Some individuals continue within transition for a time framework which may be measured within your dimension as 50 to 70 years, which is not sensed in that manner by the individual.

You are engaging an action of shedding beliefs entirely and shedding the objective awareness. Individuals lean in the expression of holding to that objective awareness in its familiarity. Many individuals immediately subsequent to their disengagement of this physical focus or dimension do not incorporate an awareness that they have disengaged this physical dimension, for they continue to generate that objective awareness.

BETH: I'm getting back to a question about my husband. I wonder, first thing, did I shift probabilities? Did I go off in another probable direction when I chose him over the life or the man that I'd had previously been spending time with?

ELIAS: In what capacity?

BETH: I sensed when I met him that I would have a good life with him, whereas the other guy I was seeing at the time, I sensed I wouldn't have had a good life with. I felt like it was a conscious decision to go in one direction or another, someone who appreciated me versus someone who wouldn't.

ELIAS: Correct. I may offer to you an expansion of that, that you have chosen this relationship in recognizing underlyingly that this is an expression of partnership in which you shall allow yourself to appreciate you.

BETH: Have I known my husband in other focuses?

ELIAS: Yes.

BETH: I reached a point in my life with depression where I felt that I was right on the cusp of committing suicide. I wonder, did a probable self of mine go ahead and do that, and am I the split-off? Is this just something I chose not to do, or was this a major split in my life, a major event?

ELIAS: Yes. Each time you generate a choice of this type of magnitude, you create a probable reality.

BETH: So there's another probable Beth who went ahead and did that?

ELIAS: Yes.

BETH: And in her probability, the family mourned and buried her and she's gone.

ELIAS: Correct.

BETH: I feel like I've had a lot of success changing probabilities or outcomes with my mother. I want to know her family and alignment, but I want to know why I chose her. She showed an extreme hatred for me from the beginning - that's the only way I can phrase it - an extreme desire to blame me for all her problems and all the family's problems to a large degree of intensity. I'm wondering what my relationships with her have been in other lives, that we had such an intensity of negative emotion.

ELIAS: The relationships that are generated in other focuses are not necessarily affecting, in the manner that you are thinking, of any other focus.

You generate a familiarity and a recognition of other individuals in different capacities, in relation to the expression that you have engaged other focuses with these individuals or that you ARE engaging other focuses with all of these individuals; but this is not to say that another focus generates a cause and effect with this focus. All focuses of each essence are influencing in a manner that they are all you and therefore they are all your experiences, but not in a cause and effect type of expression.

Now; you have engaged other focuses with this individual, and I may express to you for the most part they are not what you term to be negative.

BETH: But this one was.

ELIAS: Yes, but you have chosen that, and you have chosen to be exploring different types of physical manifestations in the exploration of appreciation of physical manifestations. This is your intent in this focus.

BETH: To phrase that again, my intent is the exploration of physical manifestations in this...?

ELIAS: The exploration of the appreciation of physical manifestations.

Now; you have quite purposefully offered yourself experiences to challenge yourself in the expression of acceptance.

BETH: Yes. It was a big thing to learn the acceptance, given that I felt so little of it from a primary caregiver. It was a huge task and a big challenge...

ELIAS: Correct.

BETH: ...and I feel like I've done it - not entirely, but a big chunk of it, considering where I started.

ELIAS: Your challenge has been to offer yourself an extreme situation in experiences to demonstrate to yourself the actual physical flexibility that an individual may express in one focus, and in this, to explore not merely the acceptance of yourself, but the expression of genuine acceptance of another individual, regardless of their choices and regardless of their behaviors. This in actuality, my friend, is a tremendous challenge.

BETH: Does this challenge I've chosen have to do with the fact that when I was younger I was very strong, thin and athletic, and then until very recently I became very large, almost 200 pounds, and now I'm on my way back down? Am I experiencing the different sides of physical...

ELIAS: Yes.

BETH: ...weight and conditioning?

ELIAS: Yes. You choose many, many specific directions within the general direction of exploration in this expression of appreciation of physical manifestations.

BETH: I feel like another thing I really appreciate is simple evenings with good friends in my home, that I don't feel like I need a lot of excitement or activity, that just the fact of being with loved ones is really something that I appreciate in a way that I haven't always. Does that go along with this?

ELIAS: Yes, but not in opposites. Recognize that you have generated many experiences to allow yourself a genuine knowing of appreciation of quietness and gentleness and calm and simplicity.

BETH: It took a long time to get there! (Elias laughs)

I have a friend, Helene, and I'd like to know her family and orientation. I haven't thought about it, so I don't know.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) Essence family, Ilda; alignment, Vold.

BETH: Has Helene ever been a rabbi? She gets the sense that in one life she was a rabbi.

ELIAS: Yes.

BETH: She has created mental illness, which seems to result in what she expresses and what I observe, in a judgmental way I guess, a real difficulty and misery in her daily life and a real inability to what she calls "get beyond." It's very extreme and it's very unpleasant for her, and she seems to be stuck in it. I wonder if you could shed any light on what's going on there, the nature of the mental illness and so on.

ELIAS: I may express to you, you may offer my invitation, for offering information in this subject matter in this forum presently shall be intrusive.

BETH: I see; thank you. Do we have other focuses? I feel very close to this person.

ELIAS: Yes.

BETH: Thank you. Let me see, what else do I have here? Am I getting to the end? (Elias chuckles)

As far as my having lost weight recently, I feel like I've tried other times and not been successful in keeping it off, but somehow this time I feel like I want to go back to some semblance of not too heavy, not too thin, just a natural self. I want to go back to a natural self. I feel like I'll have some success doing that, and am having success, and it will be a permanent condition for me in my life now, not an up-and-down thing. Is that something you can validate?

ELIAS: Yes. (Chuckles) And this also is an objective reflection of a movement into acceptance.

BETH: So a movement into acceptance will help me with the physical problem?

ELIAS: No, the physical expression is a reflection of the movement that you are already generating in acceptance of yourself.

BETH: I used to have a fair number of lucid dreams, and I still have some. What do you think about lucid dreams, when you're aware? I glide a lot; it's almost like flying. In the dream I feel very much like this is what I can do. I always just barely touched my feet down and I'd leap ten feet, but recently I realized I didn't have to touch my feet down, that I could just glide a few feet over the surface of the sidewalk and never touch down. What's the significance of that?

ELIAS: Presenting to yourself imagery of ease. In allowing yourself a natural flow, you generate a tremendous ease and no thickness.

BETH: When I first came here to this weekend, I had a tremendous amount of thickness the first day. I felt very what I call "my old self," my old feelings of inferiority and shyness and a fear to jump in and speak up.

ELIAS: I am quite aware of the difference of the expression of energy! Ha ha ha!

BETH: It changed quite a bit yesterday than it was on Saturday. (Elias chuckles) I wonder why I come into the situation that way, why I reverted back to that, before I was able to pull myself out of it?

ELIAS: But you offer yourself a recognition, and in actuality what you have presented to yourself has been quite appropriate in association with the subject matter of our session of...

BETH: Of exploration? So I explored both ways of...

ELIAS: Allowing yourself to notice and recognize what you are generating, listen to your communications, and offer yourself choice, and allow yourself to manipulate your energy and generate a different expression. This has been quite purposeful in allowing yourself to experience the concept that I offered within our group interaction.

BETH: I was a little discounting of myself on Saturday, feeling like I wasn't able to be myself and show who I really am to people, that I was hiding myself. But I was aware that I was discounting myself.

ELIAS: I am aware. I am acknowledging of you; you have quite efficiently immediately offered yourself an experience in association with the information that I offered in this forum.

As I have stated many times, I may express concepts to you all repeatedly, and if you do not generate experience in association with these concepts you shall not insert it into your reality. It becomes an aspect of your reality through experience.

BETH: And I'm on my way with that?

I have one more question regarding my work life and my work experience, and then I'm going to wrap it up. I've always had an initial - maybe this is a Sumari thing - an initial excitement for a new job, and it applies to other areas in my life. I'm considered efficient and work hard and do a good job and am bright enough, but I always end up after a year or two bored and really disliking that intrusion in my life of having to get up and go to work and put in my time.

I got a new career four years ago and I thought I would beat that, but it's the same. I don't appear to like to work (Dianne and Elias laugh) but I'm trading it for the money!

ELIAS: (Chuckles) I may express to you, I incorporate an awareness that no individual likes to work. If your perception is that you are working, it matters not what you are doing, you are working and this is not fun.

BETH: I have a major issue with that working business.

ELIAS: I may express to you, you are partially expressing an energy in association with your family, for you do express those qualities also. Were you not to express those qualities, you would not be belonging to that essence family. But you may be expressing those qualities and not necessarily change your direction in employment, for you may be expressing those changeable qualities and continue to express your creativity in different manners and not generate boredom. But the key is the term "work."

BETH: I do it at home, too. Work is doing the dishes, and I don't want to do it. Work is doing the laundry.

ELIAS: Correct.

Now; this is merely a matter of altering your perception and redefining. You are all redefining terms within your reality, which alters your perception, which alters your reality - and this is another term that is being redefined.

BETH: I work with a woman, Linda, who I tend to say to myself has opposite beliefs about work. She's what I would call a workaholic. She does everything to the hilt, she does 110 percent on every task, and it drives me nuts! (Elias chuckles) I think she's overzealous and pushes too hard and cares too much, but the other side of the coin is I realize that I'm judging myself for not being more like her. It's such a difficult thing to work with her.

ELIAS: For one is enjoying, in your terms, and not perceiving as work, and the other is not enjoying and perceiving as work.

BETH: She seems to love it! She goes home late every day! (Both laugh and Elias chuckles)

ELIAS: Now; I shall offer the suggestion also that you turn your attention to you and discontinue comparison, for the expression of comparison merely reinforces a discounting of yourself and generates resentment.

BETH: Yes, there's a lot of resentment of me for her, and probably the other way! (Beth and Dianne laugh, and Elias chuckles)

Well, I think that's all I have for now.

DIANNE: I have one more for you, if I can pipe in. I'd like to address to her unrealistic feelings of guilt, that she feels over the littlest things. I'm always telling her, "Don't feel guilty! Why are you feeling guilty? It's a waste of emotion." Why does she feel guilty more than the average person?

ELIAS: There is no expression of unrealistic. (Chuckles)

DIANNE: It's realistic to her!

ELIAS: Quite! This is an expression of personal responsibility, projecting your attention outside of yourself and expressing personal responsibility for situations and individuals. You need not even present yourself with another individual, merely a situation - you shall allow yourself to assume personal responsibility for it! (Chuckles)

BETH: That's true, although what Dianne doesn't know because she doesn't have a long history with me is that I've cut that back by like 90 percent! (Laughs with Dianne)

ELIAS: I am aware of the alteration and your movement in that expression. I may express to you, many, many individuals incorporate this issue of personal responsibility, and it is quite reinforced through your society's mass expressions and mass beliefs, which generates a tremendous energy. Therefore, it is quite easy to express and quite challenging to recognize and to alter.

BETH: I often recognize; it's the alter part that I get stuck on! (All laugh)

ELIAS: But you are accomplishing!

BETH: Yes, thank you. (Elias chuckles)

I guess it was two years ago, a group of us tried to see you in Vermont, based on some information on the website, which I guess was old information. We drove up there in hopes of seeing you at a group session and it didn't happen. I was quite reluctant to call and put myself out there by requesting a telephone session. I'm wondering, was I not ready at that time?

ELIAS: Yes. There was an expression of fear that was continuing in that time framework.

BETH: Well, now I've jumped over that little hurdle!

ELIAS: And you may recognize now that there is no necessity for a fearful expression in association with myself, for I assure you that I shall not bite you! (All laugh)

BETH: I thank you very much! I can end here, and I hope to have future sessions. I'm very excited!

ELIAS: And I shall be anticipating our next meeting.

BETH: Thank you very much.

ELIAS: I offer to you tremendous affection, and I shall be offering supportive energy to you.

BETH: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome. To you this morning, au revoir.

BETH: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 10:48 AM.

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