Tuesday, June 4, 2002 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Luana (Ring)
Elias arrives at 11:30 AM. (Arrival time is 25 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning.

LUANA: Good morning, Elias. How are you? As always, I know! (Elias laughs) I've finally figured out what "as always" is. It's as you are today!

ELIAS: (Laughs) And yourself?

LUANA: I'm doing very well, very excited to be talking to you again.

ELIAS: (Laughs) Very well!

LUANA: Pardon me?

ELIAS: Very well!

LUANA: This time I've written out a bunch of questions because I have quite a number of things to talk to you about, so I guess I'll just go ahead and proceed with that.

ELIAS: Very well.

LUANA: The first question I have is, on September 21 I'm supposed to give a talk to a group on the nature of the soul or essence. When I agreed to do that more than a year ago, I hadn't found you on the internet, and I thought I would just talk about it from what I read in the Seth and Jane Roberts material. Your sessions, of course, have greatly expanded the information along these lines, some of which I have a grasp of. But I've only been reading you about four or five months now and I feel on pretty thin ice on some things.

I would like to have either myself as essence or some other essence be there to help me present these new concepts, and I wonder if you can offer any advice on this - who I might call upon or how to go about doing it. At the same time, I add that I realize that I am essence, but that is still more of a concept of objective awareness than an actuality, so to speak. Do you understand what I'm talking about?

ELIAS: Yes, and what direction are you choosing to engage in this talk?

LUANA: Well, this is a group of dousers. Do you know what a douser is?

ELIAS: Explain.

LUANA: They are people who work with a pendulum to contact their inner self in order to get information, like a pendulum or rods. Originally they were to find water under the earth and to direct the water towards their well or to do other things with water, but this is expanded now to asking questions of their inner self. They don't have any idea about who or what it is inside of themselves that is helping to direct them. So when I agreed to talk about this at the group, I was going to do it from the Sethian principle of it being from the inner self. Mainly, it's talking about our intuitions.

ELIAS: Very well, and what is the nature of your concern in relation to this subject matter?

LUANA: That if I'm going to have clarity and give the information without distortion that maybe I have something like a process that maybe I could step aside my objective awareness and let some other part speak through me if I have difficulty answering some of the questions.

ELIAS: Or perhaps allow yourself to put into practice objectively what you are addressing to in this talk that you are offering to these individuals.

What you are expressing is that these individuals are unaware of how to be objectively recognizing their abilities or their communications to themselves, and this is what you are addressing to in association with the information that you have assimilated through Seth and information that you have received from myself. This is the point, in recognizing that there is no hidden aspect of yourself. It is merely a matter of paying attention.

You do not incorporate what your psychology defines as subconscious; there is no subconscious. There is merely consciousness, and it is all available to you. The point in shifting your awareness is to be allowing yourselves the objective recognition of your abilities and your choices and HOW you create your reality in paying attention to your communications to yourself - of which one is intuition, but there are many - and therefore offering yourselves the objective ability to intentionally direct your energy, implement your choices, to generate precisely what you want.

Therefore my suggestion, which once again is your choice, is that you allow yourself to be implementing this action yourself and therefore allowing yourself to incorporate yourself as an example of what you are speaking to the individuals concerning.

LUANA: Well, that certainly puts it out there, doesn't it? (Both laugh)

ELIAS: In this, as you allow yourself to move your attention and pay attention to the different communications that you offer to yourself, you allow yourself to become much more intimately familiar with you, and therefore you also allow yourself to intentionally direct your energy in the manner in which you choose and want.

LUANA: Very good, very good.

My next question is, you mentioned the last time we spoke that the way to engage attention on other focuses or aspects is by relaxing into the now, and that by doing so I had more energy available, which aided the process. I want to know, in order to be objectively connected to all of consciousness, is the centeredness of now also engaged? Is this what you are referring to when you mentioned moving sideways?

ELIAS: Yes.

LUANA: What you talked about just now is the same thing also. Engaging my speaking to the group is exactly the same thing...

ELIAS: Yes.

LUANA: ...as moving the attention sideways into the now.

ELIAS: Yes.

LUANA: Thank you.

I want to know what attention is. You know, we use that word a lot, but sometimes I really like clarification on things. When Seth spoke of attention, he gave the analogy of there being... Like on a radio set you have all the different frequencies across the radio set, and you take your dial and you tune into one particular frequency or station on that radio, and that he called your attention.

ELIAS: This is an accurate analogy.

LUANA: It is an accurate...?

ELIAS: Yes.

LUANA: You also talk about having multiple attentions that can happen simultaneously. So my question is, if attention applies to one station, are we like many one-stations? Or how is my objective awareness able to incorporate being many ones simultaneously?

ELIAS: Very well. As you are incorporating the analogy of a physical device, I shall offer a similar example. Within your present now, you have created your televisions, and in the creation of your televisions now, you may actually view more than one station simultaneously upon one screen.

LUANA: I understand. I don't have TV, but I do know that some sets have a picture within a picture, so you have a little picture on the screen with other big pictures. Or maybe they even split the screen now - I don't know about that.

ELIAS: Yes, you do incorporate this type of device within your present time framework, in which an individual may view simultaneously several stations and incorporate one as the main and several others in smaller proportions.

Now; relaxing your attention moves in a very similar manner. In actuality, many of your inventions are objective outward images of what you generate inwardly. In this, you continue to incorporate what you would define as a larger portion of your attention upon this focus, for in this focus it is the main. But you may incorporate an action of either moving your attention entirely to another focus, which is similar to your analogy of the radio, or you may incorporate viewing many focuses simultaneously.

LUANA: Very good analogy.

ELIAS: It is merely what you choose, which method you choose to be incorporating, but either is possible.

LUANA: I see; very good. Thank you!

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

LUANA: I have two questions regarding something that I call "direct writing," which I'll ask you about next.

As an explanation, about five months ago I started doing what I call direct writing. How this works is, when I wake up in the middle of the night, I open my journal, wait for a title to come to me, and then without even thinking ahead or rereading what I've already written, I begin to write just one word at a time, one word after the other, as they kind of pop into my awareness.

For a long time, what I wrote came out something like dictated words to me from Elizabethan times, words that I didn't know or poetic phrases that I didn't understand, even an accent, which came through very strong. I don't have a formal education and I've never understood Shakespeare, but suddenly I understood and find quite humorous all of Shakespeare's writings, and understand his quick wit and wisdom and so on and so forth.

So, after doing these for some time and even learning how to translate some of them, it occurred to me to start doing an interactive dialogue with whoever this was dictating to me through my pencil, asking questions instead of just being a passive receiver of these words. Then after that, it came to me to start asking for communications from other sources besides the Elizabethan kind of writing, which I did a little and I found the style and tone and the use of language quite different, as if from different sources.

My next thought after that was, I started wondering if I could contact somebody from around 2075, after the shift. I haven't been very successful at this, possibly because I don't have a focus living in that timeframe. But it also occurred to me that concepts and language and terminology may be so different after the shift that I would not be able to access or translate it.

I'm wondering if you can help me identify a possible contact for myself after 2075, and also tell me how to help myself overcome any barriers between our two timeframes as far as communication goes.

ELIAS: Very well. In part, you are correct that the definitions of terms subsequent to the completion of this shift are different, for this is what you are generating now, the redefinition of terms, altering the definitions of your language, your words, which also redefines your reality for it alters your perceptions.

If you define a word in one manner it becomes what you perceive to be an absolute, and therefore is absolutely understood in old familiarities. But in widening your awareness, you are recognizing that there are no absolutes, and therefore this allows you to redefine terms. In that action, the meanings are different and are not solid. This presents a challenge in attempting to translate words in association with future focuses, for the words may be the same but the meanings are different.

Now; this challenge is not quite as difficult to address to as the second challenge that is influencing of your not allowing for a clear connection, so to speak, with a future focus. The second challenge is that you incorporate beliefs that allow you more of an ease in connecting to past focuses. For within your beliefs you accept that they already exist or have existed, and although you do not quite incorporate the reality yet that they exist now simultaneous to yourself, you do believe that they have already been created, they have already existed. Therefore, you allow yourself to tap into those energy expressions.

In association with future focuses, there are strongly expressed underlying beliefs in which the association is projected that these focuses do not yet exist, for they are within the future and the future has not been created yet. The challenge lies in the allowance to be connecting with a thing that you do not believe has been created yet - therefore what shall you tap into?

LUANA: So if I choose to believe that, can you tell me a focus that I'm strongly in tone with to engage? (Pause)

ELIAS: You incorporate a future focus - physical naming, Jeremiah - a male individual which incorporates action within a museum. Individuals do not classify themselves as working as you do presently, for they are aware that what they incorporate in action is what they choose to be doing, so to speak, and they choose these actions not in relation to exchange.

LUANA: What is Jeremiah's color?

ELIAS: In physical manifestation or in focus color?

LUANA: The easier one for me to reach or use. (Pause)

ELIAS: A variation of tan - sand.

LUANA: Sand, S-A-N-D?

ELIAS: Yes.

LUANA: And his essence family?

ELIAS: Is the same as yours.

LUANA: And his orientation?

ELIAS: Common.

LUANA: And his alignment? (Pause)

ELIAS: Alignment in that focus, Gramada.

LUANA: And the year that he is forty years old? (Pause)

ELIAS: Twenty-one eight.

LUANA: Thank you.

I'm going to jump ahead with my questions here, because you mentioned he works in a museum. Which is interesting, because I have another question here... I'm going to jump a little bit ahead with my questions.

This one here, I've been experimenting not only contacting you, Elias, in dreamland and direct writing - which I was going to cover before but now I'm going to jump ahead - but I've also been trying to do that just since our last conversation in what I call waking interactive meditation. I had a very interesting journey this last week, which I want to share with you.

In this practice, when I reach a certain, shall we say, mental velocity in my mind's eye, I hit a kind of barrier and begin an inward experience. For some reason this method helps me have inner images, which I usually don't ever have. I don't perceive those, as I explained last time I talked to you.

So this time I went through several different images, including something like a hut or a tent made of dark, shiny leather, which I mentally climbed inside of, and then I started concentrating on your blue color. Very briefly a blue conical hat made out of velvet flashed by and it had little white sparklers on it, which are kind of spiffy, and I thought of those as kind of like stars or something.

Then when I called out your name a few times, I distinctly saw a man's bald head, and he was bending over looking at something. When I asked then where I was, I saw, from a perspective of looking up, arches overhead and what kind of looked to me like a gothic or some kind of ancient architecture or some other kind of thing. I thought of it either being a cathedral or a place of higher learning, though it came to me that it was a place where affairs of state were discussed and formulated.

I also asked to see where the buildings were located and saw with great joyful surprise a view outside of very strange tops of buildings. A couple days later I'd been on the internet looking at things and the same tops of these buildings appeared on the internet with a picture that I saw.

Anyway, I'm kind of shortening things here because there's a lot that happened in the meditation. So, afterwards I went back inside to find out who this bald-headed man was, and what I got was the impression that he was the charter, C-H-A-R-T-E-R, which turned out to be that he was a chart-keeper, a reader and an interpreter. I saw kind of a golden skin of a parchment rolled up underneath his arms and rooms where these charts were archived. I also got the sense that the man was like a librarian, not exactly a scholar, but an educator, an advisor, a record-keeper of various maps and documents and drawings and plans and formulations and so on and so forth. The charts weren't just maps but were various documents which contained facts and figures and drawings and so on and so forth.

In the last part of the meditation, I saw these blue dots again, but these were on the end of a jack, which is a toy that little girls in particular play with, and they throw out the jacks with a ball. One of these jacks ... which we used to do all time, we used to take them in our fingers and twist them and they'd spin. I got the information or message from that meditation that what I should do is spin like one of these top-jacks and place myself in the center of this jack. When I did that mentally, I could be spinning around and yet be at the center at the same time.

So I kind of wanted to know if you can make any comments about if this was a part of yourself, or maybe now I'm even thinking that this is part of this person in the future in a museum, or can make any comments about future suggestions with this kind of extravaganza of this meditation.

ELIAS: I may express to you that you have offered yourself an interesting method to be exploring, and quite efficient also. In this, I shall acknowledge the presence of my energy with you, which you have imaged in your blue and your sparkles. Ha ha ha!

LUANA: That's pretty neat, isn't it?

ELIAS: (Laughs) And your impression is correct as to the other individual.

LUANA: Is this an individual in the future or the past?

ELIAS: Future.

LUANA: Is this the same individual that you were talking about, the museum person?

ELIAS: Yes.

LUANA: Ah, very interesting.

ELIAS: Now; this is quite an efficient method that you have created to sidestep your belief, for you have generated an image to allow yourself an opening or an avenue to allow yourself to generate the connection. For if you incorporate an image, you sidestep the belief that the individual has not yet been created.

LUANA: I see. Very good.

During one of these direct writings that I do in the early morning, I also tried to connect with you, and I didn't feel like there was very much success at doing this with you. But there was an incident of writing one particular page that seemed to have your humor.

Do you feel me when I'm trying to connect with you in this writing method, and is this a good way for me to communicate with you? Even though it seems to me just during my daytime when I want to know something and I turn my attention towards you, I seem to get information that way. Both of these are valid?

ELIAS: Yes, although I may express to you that the latter is actually more efficient. You incorporate difficulty in the writing, for this is more closely associated with a communication energy exchange in language, which, as I have stated, I do not actually engage with other individuals than Michael. But I DO offer an energy exchange with ALL individuals that engage myself and do express an energy that shall offer you information.

LUANA: All right, I'm a little confused here. There's a difference then between a verbal, written or word communication, and an energy exchange of information?

ELIAS: Correct.

LUANA: What is the form then? If it's not words in communication, what kind of communication is it?

ELIAS: You translate the energy communication into thought, which incorporates words, but not always. At times, thoughts incorporate images.

Now; the energy that I express to you actually is a communication which is offered more in the form of feeling than in thought, but you automatically translate that into thought.

LUANA: Is this the same way that you as essence communicate with other essences that are in nonphysical reality?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking. It is slightly different, for it is filtered through layers of consciousness to be incorporated into what is recognized within your physical dimension, which incorporates a specific design. You incorporate feeling and emotion. Within nonphysical expressions of consciousness, this is not expressed. These are objective expressions.

LUANA: So, might you describe yours as intuitive rather than feeling? Or is it something that I can't grasp because I'm in physical reality?

ELIAS: It may be translated through intuition or through feeling.

LUANA: But it's still a translation.

ELIAS: Yes. This is not to say that the translation is not as accurate as it may be in association with your physical dimension.

Be remembering, even in your conversations with myself such as this present now, there is a translation which is occurring objectively. I am expressing another energy to you in an energy exchange with you, simultaneous to the verbal conversation that we engage. But what you audibly hear is a translation of energy, and it is presented in a manner which incorporates familiarity to you. For if not incorporating the qualities of expression that are known to you within your physical reality, you would not incorporate an understanding or be accepting of the communication.

I may express to you, I have offered examples of this type of expression previously within this forum, that individuals may incorporate an objective understanding of the type of translation that is incorporated in the objective aspect of this energy exchange, which incorporates emotional communications.

LUANA: I am understanding.

The next question I have, can you give me something blue in our physical world which would be close to the blue tone that you are?

ELIAS: I shall express the energy and you shall translate it into an object. In a manner of speaking, you shall find an object which incorporates the blue associated with my energy.

LUANA: Good. I shall do that in one of my meditations, I believe.

Here's another important one for me. I want to know if you know something that may prevent me from having objective awareness of my subjective abilities and information. I ask this question because a friend of mine, who has been channeling her guides for many years, told me that there was something in a past physical focus that prevented me from accessing some information about myself. This hangs over my head as a fear sometimes when I'm doing practices or making inquiries, for sometimes I feel perhaps I'll run into a me, another focus me, who has either been kind of like a torturer or has been tortured themselves or something along that line.

I also base this on not being able to watch brutality in movies. I'm sort of abhorrent to it. I love movies but I can't sit through movies with brutality in them. I feel that something's lurking there but I don't know what it is. Perhaps my friend's guides were saying that I needed to build my self-acceptance before knowing about it so I wouldn't judge it, but perhaps this isn't the issue at all. I was wondering if you could assist me with any information on this.

ELIAS: Very well. I may express to you that you are creating it to be an issue, but it is unnecessary.

You do incorporate beliefs within this focus which, in relation to the expressions of duplicity, generate judgments concerning certain types of behaviors. As you widen your awareness and as you move into acceptance of your beliefs, it shall matter not. Within this time framework, what shall motivate you to be seeking the viewing of a focus that shall be disturbing to you for you are not in agreement with or [are] in judgment of its behavior? It is unnecessary to present that to yourself presently, and perhaps you may choose not to present that type of viewing to yourself throughout the entirety of your focus, and it matters not.

The point of viewing other focuses of your essence is merely to allow you an objective recognition that you incorporate much more of a vastness than you view in this one focus, that you ARE essence, that you are, in your terms, larger than you view yourself to be. But this is not to say that you must be investigating all of your focuses and allowing yourself a familiarity with all of them. This is a preference, my friend. Some individuals incorporate a preference to be investigating many of the other focuses of themselves. Some individuals do not incorporate that preference. It is the choice of the individual.

LUANA: Yes, I realize that and I probably have chosen not to do very much of that.

ELIAS: And it matters not. You are offering yourself other avenues to incorporate an objective recognition and knowledge of yourself as essence, through your meditations and through your spinning jack! (Laughs)

LUANA: I know! You mention nonacceptance and judgment, and I want to cover that in just one second.

This sounds very strange, but until I ran into Seth, I didn't really have a set of values. I found him probably sometime in my forties, and sort of like being an innocent child, I was just wandering around noticing everything and not having any rights or wrongs or anything. I was just investigating the world. When I read Seth and he talked about the importance of having integrity, and I looked that up in the dictionary. It defined it as adherence to a set of values. I decided I would incorporate that with myself, and indeed chose many of the things that Seth had said were maybe practical or ideal or best for us living in physical reality.

A lot of them I adopted, and when I came upon your advice to be more accepting, I ran into a conflict with this sense of integrity that I built, and I did wind up with judgments about those who didn't fit into this set of values that I had adopted. So now I have this kind of confusion and rubbing against each other of part of me which likes integrity and likes to have this set of values and another one which is saying "don't make these absolute," which means to me that they're not quite true and that I shouldn't follow them anymore.

I try not to judge myself or others, but I find myself, because I have incorporated this set of values, that when I don't live this set of values that I have reactions inside of me and I have the self-judgment that I don't live my own integrity. I'm wondering if you would make some comments about how to help me through this.

ELIAS: Very well. You may incorporate both, my friend. This is the expression of acceptance. Acceptance is expressed in knowing that you each create your reality through your individual perceptions and these are not absolutes, but they are quite real.

In this, you also, as I have stated many times, may incorporate acceptance and also continue to express your opinions and your preferences. You may adhere to your choice of your defined expression of integrity, if this is in association with your preference and accept that this is your preference, and you may incorporate your opinions concerning any subject matter. But also recognize that other individuals may express differently, and their preferences may be different and how they create their reality through their perception may be different, and this is acceptable also.

LUANA: Now, this isn't a problem for me towards other people; it's a problem for myself to myself. It's not judging others.

ELIAS: I am understanding, and what I am expressing to you is that your choice of your preferences is acceptable also. It is unnecessary that you create more judgments in expressing to yourself that you are generating your preference and that is wrong.

LUANA: Well, I also came to the conclusion that accepting sometimes that I'm judgmental is just... That's just the way it is sometimes about myself. There must be also an acceptance of nonacceptance sometimes.

ELIAS: Yes. You are not eliminating any of these belief systems, and duplicity is a belief system also. You are not eliminating it. You are moving into acceptance of it, and therefore it continues to exist but you allow yourself the recognition and acknowledgment of it, and therefore allow yourself choice and are not locked to merely one expression.

Let me also say to you, my friend, acceptance is an action that is generated in the moment. You do not create the action of acceptance that is expressed ever after. For were you to be generating of any aspect of your reality or your beliefs in any one moment and generate that as an absolute ever after, you deny yourself choice ever after. Therefore, the action of acceptance is generated in each moment, for your reality and your perception is continuously changing.

LUANA: That's an important key. When you speak about there's no absolutes, how about the so-called laws of the inner universe, like something like value fulfillment? Is that not an absolute? Or colors?

ELIAS: Color is a truth but it also is not an absolute, for it is translatable in many different manners dependent upon the area of consciousness. You translate color within your physical dimension in a particular manner objectively. Color may be translated in quite different manners within other physical dimensions or within nonphysical areas of consciousness.

LUANA: I understand. How about value fulfillment? Is that an absolute?

ELIAS: No, it is a choice.

LUANA: That's why you say nothing is an absolute, because there is always a choice.

ELIAS: Correct. You generate free will and choice, and the nature of consciousness is continuous change, a continuous exploration and becoming. Therefore, there are no absolutes, for all of consciousness is continuously changing. All is generated within the moment.

LUANA: All probabilities are in the moment.

ELIAS: Yes, and all choice.

LUANA: Where are probabilities?

ELIAS: They are not. They are created in the moment through the action of choice.

LUANA: They don't exist simultaneously in some dimension or some now or something like that?

ELIAS: They are created in each moment. There are no probabilities that lie before you. You generate them in the moment, and they are created through the action of choice in each moment. You do not choose from myriads of probabilities that exist already before you; you create them in the moment.

LUANA: So, when you're talking about manifesting... One of the sessions that I heard, you were helping a young man manifest an orange in his hand. He's not manifesting something that already exists; he's manifesting a choice to be able to do that, and that choice itself, that probability of him being able to do that, is created, which allows it to happen.

ELIAS: Correct. All that you perceive within the entirety of your reality, all of your physical reality, all of your universe is generated by you through your perception in each moment.

LUANA: If nothing was perceiving or paying attention to, let's say, the sun, would our sun cease to be in existence, or does it have its own existence apart from our perception and attention to it?

ELIAS: It would cease to exist.

LUANA: The sun also perceives and pays attention to me, and in that I exist?

ELIAS: No. It is generated by you. You create it.

LUANA: Well, I could carry on with this conversation for a while, but I'm looking at the clock and I know I'm out of time! I was hoping I could stretch my time out and answer all my questions (Elias laughs) but that's not going to happen today! So I'm going to have to talk to you again and again and again and again, I guess! Which I love doing! (Elias laughs)

Thank you very much. I really appreciate having you here on the other end of the phone to ask these questions, even though I'm using words and they have to translate and we go through that. But I do feel your presence around, and a lot of questions, as soon as they pop into my head, in a very short period of time I have answers. I've got a certainty in me that you're there helping along that line too, so I appreciate everything that you've been giving to us. Your generosity is quite profound.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome, my friend, and I shall continue to do so. I shall be anticipating our next conversation in an expression of fascination! (Both laugh)

LUANA: I love you, Elias! Thank you very much!

ELIAS: You are quite welcome, my friend. As always, in tremendous affection, au revoir.

LUANA: Aloha.

Elias departs at 12:32 PM.

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