Thursday, May 16, 2002 (Private/In Person)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Jen (Margarite)
Elias arrives at 3:08 PM. (Arrival time is 27 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good afternoon.

JEN: Hello.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) And how shall we proceed?

JEN: Well, you kind of have an idea as to a certain direction I want to go in, no?

ELIAS: An energy direction - but you may offer your questions.

JEN: Let's just start with a few people that I've been trying to investigate past focuses with. One is my niece, Jessica, who I was thinking maybe the focus in Tibet, which I think is around the 13th or 14th century. (Pause)

ELIAS: Correct.

JEN: All right! (Elias chuckles) And then Trudy, the woman that I work with, I had this strange sense that we're of the same essence. I can't exactly describe it. (Pause)

ELIAS: No, but I am understanding your impression and your translation of your impression, for you are both fragmented...

JEN: Fragmented from the same essence?

ELIAS: Yes, and therefore you also have chosen similar qualities to be being expressed.

JEN: I shouldn't make an assumption though, that Trudy's paths might be mirrors to my own? (Pause)

ELIAS: In what capacity?

JEN: I'm thinking specifically with a husband that she had that was into film. He was trying to be a filmmaker. That was a passionate relationship for her, but it crashed and burned because he left her for another woman.

ELIAS: And you are generating the suspicion of...

JEN: Hey, I'm exploring all avenues! (Laughing)

ELIAS: ...creating similar type of action.

Let me express to you, Margarite, what you are presenting to yourself is merely the reflection of a fear, not necessarily that you shall create this same type of experience.

JEN: Good, because I'm not up for that kind of trauma. (Elias chuckles)

David - my sense is Morocco, and I think we were lovers. I'm not sure if he was of a similar station of myself or a higher station. My thinking is that he was higher. (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

JEN: He was a prince or something?

ELIAS: Noble.

JEN: Were we lovers?

ELIAS: Yes.

JEN: Was he like the love of my life in that focus?

ELIAS: Yes.

JEN: But he was married.

ELIAS: Not to you! (Both laugh loudly)

JEN: (Laughing) That I know! Oh, God! That focus seems to be holding quite a bit of energy for me in this present now. All right, we'll cover that in a second. (Elias chuckles)

Matt - I was seeing Egypt and we were brothers. This is not a focus I've explored.

ELIAS: Correct, half-brothers.

JEN: What was the timeframe in Egypt? (15-second pause)

ELIAS: Second century BC.

JEN: I knew it was a long time ago.

All right, Elias. I am noticing a tremendous energy in myself. I have been trying to pay attention to self. I feel like I'm noticing a building of energy within self that is exciting and powerful, fun yet scary all at the same time, because that energy feels as though it's pulling me away from my present situation. I'm really not too sure what to do with it.

I'm feeling as though I've done a marvelous job of creating a certain level of ease in my life, coming from a place where there wasn't so much ease - which I know you are well familiar with, those dark moments - to a much lighter place where there's a consistency, there's a solid marriage, there's a partnership, there's a wonderful community, and yet there's no passion. And through this self-discovery, I'm realizing that I'm a passionate person. This realization is a little bit scary, because this interaction recently in New Orleans felt passionate.

I know I'm not at the crossroads right now. I could certainly put myself in that place - and I'm trying hard not to go there - but trying to figure out what to do with the energy. I want to honor the energy, and yet at the same time honoring it seems as though it takes me away.

I'd like some input from you on passion and the energetic qualities of passion. I seem to be noticing energy a lot, energy between people, and it's not that I necessarily notice qualities of energy so much, although I'm very interested in the qualities of energy.

I think I've stated a lot without even asking a question. (Pause)

ELIAS: And have you allowed yourself to pay attention to the expression of your alignment in this focus?

JEN: The Milumet? Well, to a degree. Yes, I think so, in the sense that I'm honoring what seems to be a passion for exploring this work. Yeah, I'm hearing it, I'm hearing the communication.

This is another question. I wondered if perhaps meeting David was... You talk a lot about we draw people that mirror, and I wondered if I drew David to me because he mirrors passion in myself. I wondered if also, because of his artistic desires of film writing, if I was pulling him to me as a mirror, that perhaps that area is one that I want to explore, which is writing.

ELIAS: The influence of your alignment is strong, and the energy that is expressed in these qualities generates a tremendous passion and also generates quite a difficulty in conformity.

JEN: You're not telling me anything I don't know. I've been trying to conform, Elias. I got married, did the house, the whole deal.

ELIAS: I am understanding, and this is what I am expressing to you, that I am understanding the strength of mass beliefs and the influence of those beliefs in relation to what you think you want and perhaps generating some aspects of what you want. But you have offered to yourself and assimilated a considerable volume of information to this point now, Margarite, and you incorporate a relatively clear understanding of what you have assimilated, and in this, you recognize the significance of paying attention to you and the significance of holding your attention now and not projecting.

Now; I offer to you this suggestion of paying attention to the natural qualities and expressions that you generate in association with this alignment quite purposefully. For I am not expressing to you that you should or must be making an either/or choice, but merely recognize that passion is a strongly expressed energy in association with this family.

JEN: Really?

ELIAS: Yes, and as you are aware the reluctance to conform to established directions or actions is also a strongly expressed quality of this family. Forcing one's self to move in opposition to the alignment that one has chosen generates conflict.

JEN: It's interesting, because I was pretty clear in that the relationship with Tim was one that was a foundation for me of spiritual growth, and that's exactly what it has given me. Ironically now, the foundation is still there but the spiritual growth is taking me out.

ELIAS: Your definition of spirituality is changing. You are expanding and recognizing that spirituality is not merely intuition or intellect or nonphysical, but that you as the being that you are and all of the physical aspects of your reality and qualities and expressions are also aspects of spirituality.

You speak in terms of honoring expressions of energy. In your terms of "honoring" in relation to spirituality, your physical manifestation is also highly spiritual.

JEN: What do you mean? Oh, just being physically focused is highly spiritual.

ELIAS: Yes, your expressions of sexuality, for in your terms this is honoring your passion, your expression of you. This is what you are seeking, the allowance of yourself to express you in every manner freely without limitation, and this is the point.

JEN: I feel like I did all this work to a certain degree to get me to this point. It feels as if I'm staring off a cliff a little bit, because it feels that the next step is to make some radical change where I have to leave my relationship. I know there's a part of me that really craves a certain level of consistency and groundedness and the community, and how much spiritual growth I've been able to do because I've created this foundation. If I'm to kind of launch myself off this cliff and leave all this behind me, I know I'll be way anxious. I know I will be. I think I know myself well enough to know that if I just pick up and move to New Orleans tomorrow, I'll put way too much... I just know.

ELIAS: Listen to what you are expressing, and the black and whiteness.

JEN: I know. I know my thinking has been to just take this time right now and try to be in the moment and not make a decision right now.

ELIAS: You may generate what you want in both expressions.

JEN: When I had come from New Orleans and I was feeling this tremendous high, for lack of a better word, I had the vision that I could see spending time with this person in New Orleans. I could see doing writing or something that allowed me to tap into this spiritual stuff that's holding a passion for me, while at the same time interacting with an individual that provided me passion, whether it's sexual but there's physical... There's definitely more there than the act of sex, and I respect sexuality as much as sex. It was so powerful, that vision, so powerful that it felt hard to validate, because the energy was so intense and vibrating so fast that it struck me as a very different quality of energy than the one of being in a meditative state or in a state of ease.

I've been doing this yoga and paying attention to what the Indian philosophers call a tamastic state or a rajastic state, and the differences between those. It was a raja state, very fastly moving, and there's a part of me that doesn't know whether I can trust that quality of energy because I don't know how I dialed into... I mean, it's an aspect of me; but if it's fluctuating within that high, I wonder if I need to be paying closer attention than if it's coming from a place that's more satva, more even.

ELIAS: They are different qualities, different expressions. You are more familiar with the more even, but it is unnecessary to not trust the more intense.

JEN: Well, that's what it felt like. It felt like a culmination of this work I've been doing, like launching, and this incredible power within self that was huge, exhilarating, exciting, scary.

ELIAS: And rather than attempting to rein this in and contain yourself, what do you express within yourself in suspicion that you prevent yourself this freedom?

JEN: Absolutely. The suspicion acts as a big check, you know, like, "Whoa, slow down, I'm not sure if that's cool." How much am I willing to go and explore it? How much am I willing to rock my little world? Because that expression that I felt was not in this particular scenario.

ELIAS: I am understanding. What is most affecting of you presently is your expression of either/or.

JEN: The black and white.

ELIAS: Yes, the absolutes. (A phone in the room starts ringing) Holding yourself in association with these absolutes prevents you from allowing yourself choice, and in that expression you do not merely generate suspicion and discounting of yourself but you also generate fodder for resentment. (The answering machine starts, and the caller starts to leave a message.)

You may discontinue the machine if you are choosing. (Chuckles) I am recognizing of your irritation!

JEN: My energy is like...! (Jen goes over to the answering machine and turns it off.)

ELIAS: (Laughs loudly) Now; understand that I am not expressing resentment of another individual, although this may be an expression that you may generate outwardly, but this is expressed in relation to yourself and you denying your choices and not trusting yourself that you may express the freedom within yourself to generate what you want, and you do not need to justify.

JEN: Well, you know, I don't live in a bubble. I mean as much as I'm trying to be conscious of other people's perspectives and the belief systems in which I live, they do hold an effect and it's a balancing act, to a certain degree. I could just say, "Fuck it," and make some radical change - which I know I'm going down the either/or thing right now and it feels really major - and maybe what I need to do is just be with it. But I'm conscious of what you're saying, and I don't want to create resentment.

Maybe that's why I'm sick right now. I think I'm sick right now because I'm just on overload with what happened, just so much thinking and so forth. But in terms of the best way to proceed, if I do nothing ultimately I will not be happy, and I know it. I know it in my heart, and I can't live this life without being happy. I'd rather not be here. I came here to experience and to have fun. That last transcript was so powerful for me because I just came off having a lot of fun and it felt really nice, and I want to continue to experience that now.

ELIAS: And what you are moving into is creating your next act within your play.

JEN: It does feel like a next act, it really does. At times, it feels wondrous and exciting.

I was saying to Mary earlier, the notion of making a large change and doing it solo feels scary, and I think I operate under the belief of if you leave one person you should have some time alone and check things out.

ELIAS: Ah! You do generate many rules and conditions with yourself, do you not?

JEN: Oh, I do, I think so. But maybe we should talk a little about this individual.

ELIAS: Very well.

JEN: What's his orientation?

ELIAS: Orientation, common.

JEN: What's his family and alignment?

ELIAS: Essence family, Sumari; alignment (chuckles), Sumari.

JEN: Am I Sumari or am I Sumafi?

ELIAS: Sumafi.

JEN: I'll have to look it up because I don't remember all those differences.

What's this new one you're coming up with, this personality trait thingamabob?

ELIAS: (Laughs loudly) I may express to you, this is not new. I have been speaking of this from the onset of this forum.

JEN: Oh, I must have missed it!

ELIAS: (Laughs) Emotional focus.

JEN: And I'm a thinker, right?

ELIAS: This is not to say that you do not incorporate emotion, nor is it to say that the other individual does not incorporate thinking. (Laughs)

JEN: I'd like a lobotomized individual, please. (Elias laughs) How fun would that be?

Well, I guess I'm looking for a crystal ball in some respects, in terms of whether or not I could be with him. I don't know, I don't know him well enough. Maybe it's not important.

ELIAS: That is your most significant statement. You have always generated in this focus to this point tremendous caution, analyzation, rules, comparisons. You are blossoming into yourself, and in this you are, my friend, altering your reality as I had promised. And as you alter your reality, you are offering yourself your greatest gift of you and the discovery of you and your passion and your freedom.

Why shall you deny your choices? You have generated many years of denying your choices. Perhaps now you shall offer yourself permission to allow yourself your choices and recognize, regardless of your mass beliefs, I may express to you that the expression that you may not incorporate your cake and eat it too is quite ludicrous, for you may. (Chuckles) You are allowing yourself to discover playfulness.

JEN: Oh, it feels so nice, and I want to feel more of that energy, Elias. I'm so damn serious; I think SO much.

ELIAS: And I shall express to you my suggestion: little flower, go and play.

JEN: I'm not exactly sure how you mean that, other than exploring self right now, though. "Go and play." Can I quote you on that, Elias?

ELIAS: You may. (Chuckles) And you DO know what I am expressing to you; you merely do not WANT to know!

JEN: I don't know! Are you saying jump on a plane tomorrow and go to New Orleans? No, I don't think you're saying that.

ELIAS: If you wish to be incorporating this action, DO! If you WANT to be generating that expression of fun and exploring that expression of passion within yourself, do.

JEN: But I called him and he didn't call me back.

ELIAS: Ah! And therefore the other individual is creating your reality and your choices and dictating to you what you may or may not be generating.

JEN: To a slight degree, in the sense that if I'm looking to incorporate my fun with him, he certainly needs to be there - you know, have a large picture cutout?

ELIAS: Create that.

JEN: Create the large picture cutout?

ELIAS: Create the individual.

JEN: I did create the individual.

ELIAS: I am understanding, and you have returned to your home and generate suspicion of yourself and caution once again, and therefore what you create now is NOT the other individual. In your terms, there has been no return of your call.

JEN: I don't know what to do with that. I don't know whether to pick up the phone and call him again, or I think maybe I'm looking for a sign. Yeah, that's it!

ELIAS: Ah, an omen.

JEN: Yeah, an omen that it's the path that I should follow, that I should...

ELIAS: (Laughs) Ah yes, the "should" - the right path, the correct path, the definite path.

JEN: Do you think I have to be making these choices within a certain time framework in order for that particular relationship to manifest?

ELIAS: No.

JEN: That's good. I'm not sure I'm quite ready to do it right yet; I want to be.

ELIAS: Allow yourself to explore your association with the absolutes and the black and white. Your reality is not black and white.

JEN: I just don't know how long this person will be around, but then I think, I know it's no coincidence that he's the person that I last saw before I married Tim. I have to assume that this individual holds some significance for me in this life. Have we shared other focuses besides Morocco?

ELIAS: Yes, several, in different capacities of relationships.

JEN: So there's a high likelihood that he feels the same way for me?

ELIAS: In this present now? Yes.

JEN: All right. Let's move along to some of the other questions.

ELIAS: Very well. (Chuckles)

JEN: Do passions hold a certain energetic quality to them, meaning they move at a higher vibrational level?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes, for there is more of an intensity of the expression of energy in what you recognize as a passion.

JEN: So, would that be kind of a signal to an individual that one is more in tune with one's own energy, by living passionately?

ELIAS: It is dependent upon the individual, for this is an intensity of energy and some individuals do not choose to be exploring or expressing that type of vibrational quality of energy. Some individuals generate in a particular focus a preference to this type of quality of expression.

Now; if you are an individual that incorporates a preference of the expression of passionate energy and allow yourself to explore that and express that, yes, you are correct.

JEN: All right, that's an important distinction. So, the attraction that I'm feeling towards David, to me is a mirror of my own passion...

ELIAS: Yes.

JEN: ...that I see in David. So at what point does another individual truly express their true being to you? Does the mirror always exist, or is there a time when the mirror moves aside? If one is very cognizant of the mirror... If I'm fairly aware that the mirror is also a reflection of my own passion, at what point do I see his true essence?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, you are.

You are directly interactive with the other individual's expression or projection of energy. For the most part, you generate the image through your perception quite closely in association with what is being expressed by the other individual. Although it is a projection of your perception - the actual physical manifestation and imagery - it is configured quite closely to what is actually being expressed by the other individual.

There are no accidents. You draw to yourself specific individuals in specific time frameworks that are expressing themselves in the manner in which you perceive and also reflecting to you.

As an example, you draw to yourself an individual that is expressing tremendous passion and a zeal within their focus. You draw that individual to yourself, for this is what you are exploring now. You did not draw that to yourself one year ago, for this was not what you were exploring. Not that the other individual did not exist - but was not in your reality - for you draw specific individuals to you that shall be expressing a reflection of what YOU are exploring.

JEN: The more one is noticing of those people, the more information one is able to glean on oneself.

ELIAS: Correct.

JEN: Well, that's been very exhilarating, noticing the people, the individuals at that conference I attended in April. What's interesting is that there seemed to be a sexual, in my definition of sexual, draw. What was interesting with that individual was - I may have been slightly aware of it, but it wasn't in the forefront of my mind - it was more the fact that we could have some spiritual dialogue, which was interesting. Then after a few emails where it was clear that his feelings were more sexual, it made me start thinking about the energy of sex.

Again, this might be all of my belief systems and some of the stuff I've learned in India, which was very much that sex, food, obsessions are sort of like a lower body energy, a lower body pull, and there's a thickness to them, a thickness of energy, if you will. They're somehow bad or dark, you know?

ELIAS: No, these are religious beliefs.

JEN: Do things hold...? I mean, there are different qualities of energy.

ELIAS: There are different qualities of energy, but there are not BAD qualities of energy or BETTER qualities.

JEN: Forget bad or good, but about the characteristics that I was describing, that they were thicker?

ELIAS: Not necessarily. This is an expression quite strongly expressed in association with religious beliefs, that the physical is a plane, and the physical manifestations and expressions are less spiritual and occupy a lower plane for they generate a lower vibrational quality. This is quite incorrect.

This is an expression of beliefs - and I am not expressing to you that the beliefs are bad. They merely are, and in this, individuals generate a tremendous limitation of their exploration of their physical expressions and what you may create and what you may express through this physical manifestation.

There is a reason that essences choose to be manifest in this physical dimension: to be experiencing physically, to be manipulating energy to generate physical manifestations and experiences. You incorporate inner and outer senses which are all quite objective and physical, and you generate a physical body consciousness to allow you to experience sensation.

JEN: Let's talk a little bit about the emotional communications. I've been trying to dial into that a little bit more. It's an area of a little challenge for me because my head is so active. I've felt recently, upon being back in a funk or just sort of a lowness ... and I'm assuming that that lowness is a communication to self that I'm denying choices within self.

ELIAS: Correct.

JEN: It's just hard sometimes to shut the brain off, to be able to really listen to emotion.

ELIAS: It is not necessary to shut off your brain. (Chuckles) It is a matter of moving your attention.

JEN: Shifting my attention more to the emotion. But then the brain acts as a conduit to communicate, no?

ELIAS: Yes, which is acceptable. This is its function. Thought - not your brain - but the function of thought is to translate.

JEN: My concern of feeling that this attraction to this individual felt addictive, again going back to that energy quality that I was discounting... Okay, I won't go there, I know your answer already! (Elias laughs loudly) One of the other questions I have is whether or not I was seeking out this experience just to create some drama in my life.

ELIAS: Drama is not always what you view to be negative or...

JEN: No, I enjoyed it!

ELIAS: ...or unnecessary. TRAUMA is unnecessary.

JEN: Right, and I DO NOT want to create trauma right now, or anymore! I did it enough! I know what's it like, and I can tell you, consciously I don't want to create trauma. If I'm trying to make a move - that is not necessarily black or white - but to make some shifts in my life, it feels a bit challenging to see how I can avoid the trauma, based on the beliefs. Because the beliefs that I'm married, I'm in a relationship and I have this great life, that I'm willing to make a radical change in this in order to be with someone else is traumatic.

ELIAS: Not necessarily.

JEN: Okay, how?

ELIAS: This is associated with your perception, my friend. Allow yourself to trust yourself and offer yourself permission to create what you want and know within yourself that this is acceptable and allow yourself the appreciation of your freedom.

JEN: Do you feel that if I am to go down a path of discontinuing in the direction that I've been - which I think I've been doing a better job of trusting and accepting self - and not necessarily making a choice right now, that I will be able to manifest those freedoms?

ELIAS: Yes.

JEN: With this other individual?

ELIAS: If you are choosing; if you are offering yourself that expression of trust, yes. You incorporate the ability to generate this.

JEN: I know! I'm starting to realize this. It's very exciting, Elias. I am grateful that this information's out here because I seem to be an eager little student these days.

ELIAS: (Laughs loudly) Bravo!

JEN: Could we talk a little bit about how I might be able to incorporate this passion for this spiritual material in my life?

ELIAS: In what capacity?

JEN: Ultimately in a capacity - I know you're going to hate this one - in a capacity that would allow me to make a living?

ELIAS: Listen to yourself: explore your passion.

JEN: My passion of this material?

ELIAS: Explore your passion in general, for this shall...

JEN: But passion is broad.

ELIAS: Yes. This shall offer you information. In allowing yourself to view the big picture, you also recognize the details.

JEN: When I'm allowing myself to explore this passion, how are you envisioning me exploring it? Thinking? Just being open?

ELIAS: You may explore in any manner that you choose. I may express to you, thought is not an exploration. (Chuckles) You may entertain yourself with thought but you shall not necessarily be exploring your passion in engaging thought. Passion is experienced.

JEN: All right. (17-second pause)

When I was a little kid, I used to go to horse shows. I used to get really anxious before them and make myself physically ill. I wonder if you could comment a little on that anxiety, because I wonder if it still plays into me.

ELIAS: Quite, for this is what you have been speaking of throughout our conversation this day.

JEN: Anxiety?

ELIAS: No, the intensity of energy of passion, and you recognize this energy in the creatures, the power of their expression of energy and the freedom of that power; and as a child, you perceived this to be overwhelming, for even as a small one you generated limitations and rules with yourself.

JEN: How special of me!

ELIAS: (Chuckles) Ah, but in relation to the movement that you are generating now, how wondrous is the discovery of the play?

How may you be a poor man if you have already been rich? You shall not offer yourself the genuine purity of the experience of the poor man if you know the taste of wealth.

You KNOW the experience of restraint. It is very familiar to you within your experiences, and now you offer yourself the purity of the passion and the freedom of the play.

I express to you, my friend, my tremendous encouragement. You have altered your perception considerably within this time framework that you and I have been interactive.

JEN: Of course, you knew that.

ELIAS: You are quite correct, but you did not! (Laughs and Jen laughs)

JEN: Oh great! So then you're going to know like another two years, so why don't you just tell me now? (Both laugh)

I so want to stay on the path with Elias, and I am scared right now. It feels big. It feels like I can't turn away from it, which is great. I don't want to turn away from it. It's that I'm so scared right now because I've felt these passions for this person, and all the societal beliefs, all the bullshit is heavy. I want to make the change without the trauma, and it's not clear to me right now how to do that. My hope is that by continuing to trust and accept myself that the path will show its way.

ELIAS: You are correct.

JEN: And that David will still be there. It's nice to get a little validation to know that he and I have shared some previous focuses so that the energy that I feel for him ... I mean, I know technically I can validate that for myself, but it's nice to have validated.

ELIAS: I am understanding. (Pause) And shall I also acknowledge to you an appreciation of new expression of your energy?

JEN: In what capacity?

ELIAS: Much more of an allowance of yourself to be appreciating of you.

JEN: You know what else I've been noticing is the fun and the playfulness. It doesn't seem that my relationship with Tim holds that ability to a degree, not in the same way.

ELIAS: It is not the relationship; it is what you allow in your expressions in relation to the energy projection of other individuals.

JEN: That would make it seem that I could hold passion for Tim, if I chose.

ELIAS: You are correct, although this may not necessarily be a naturally expressed quality...

JEN: Within him?

ELIAS: Within you. As I have stated, there are no accidents. You draw to yourself specific individuals to present specific opportunities and specific expressions. Your choice to draw to yourself that individual, your partner, was in association with the type of energy that he projects, which you do not express a passion with; but you were unaware objectively of your passion in the time framework in which you chose to be engaging partnership.

JEN: How would you define my passion?

ELIAS: A tremendous potential for intensity of expression and allowance of playfulness, to the point that you may define as irresponsible. I do not define as irresponsible; for as I define responsibility, it ultimately is to be acknowledging and paying attention to self. But I view within your energy that you express a tremendous potential that you have not allowed yourself to express previously.

JEN: A tremendous potential for WHAT? (Laughs) I feel it too! I feel a tremendous potential. It's sort of like dot-dot-dot. It's a weird thing, you know? I guess that's chapter two, huh?

ELIAS: It is not necessarily specifically defined, my friend, in a particular movement or a particular subject. It merely is the energy expression which may be incorporated in ANY subject.

JEN: I see. So I hold tremendous potential, and depending on what I decide to channel it into...

ELIAS: Correct, you may generate tremendous intensity and playfulness, and experience in any subject matter what you have offered to yourself in recent experience.

JEN: My recent experience in New Orleans I assume is what you're discussing.

ELIAS: Yes.

JEN: So that's with this individual.

ELIAS: In this present moment. (Pause)

JEN: I know we got to go, so let me see if there's one last question I need to ask. (Elias laughs)

When I asked you a little bit about the writing on the spiritual material, your comment to me was just to focus in on self and that I will get clarity. Well, I think that I'm getting a greater understanding of self. It seems to be getting stronger and stronger, and the rhythm seems like it can swing high and low. But in general it feels very intense, as if I'm more aware and intense in a good way, so that I can no longer ignore it. It's almost as though I've turned somewhat of a corner in this experience; there's no way I could go back.

ELIAS: I am understanding. This is the point, my friend, and this is also experiencing this shift. You are offering yourself evidence that your reality is actually changing, and the expressions that in your terms were before do not fit any longer.

JEN: It seems that way.

There's one other question I wanted to ask about. You gave an example of a conversation between two people where one person, person A, was irritating to person B. Then B expresses the emotion of irritation, and the cycle continues and continues. Could this cycle be stopped if B is able to realize and identify her emotion that she's irritated with A, and if she were to communicate that to herself, "I'm irritated with A because I don't like the way he's expressing," would that stop the cycle?

ELIAS: No.

JEN: Or would she need to express it to A?

ELIAS: Neither, but to recognize what is generating the expression within self. For it matters not what your individual A is expressing, the irritation is expressed within the other individual. Paying attention to self and allowing yourself to identify what generates that irritation and allowing yourself to acknowledge that and choose in the moment shall discontinue that signal of irritation.

JEN: Acknowledging the communication and then choosing.

ELIAS: Knowing that you incorporate choice. In example, you may be interactive with another individual and the other individual may be expressing to you in an extreme whining tone, and you may notice a feeling of irritation within yourself being generated.

Now; acknowledging to yourself, "I am irritated, for this individual is expressing an extremely whiny tone!" no, this shall not discontinue your irritation, for you have not acknowledged the message. Expressing to the other individual, "I am irritated when you express within a whiny tone," this shall not discontinue your irritation, either, and in most likelihood shall not alter the other individual's expression and they shall continue in their expression.

Now; allowing yourself to stop, notice the signal of the irritation and question yourself what you are generating within yourself that creates this expression of irritation, you may discover that in the moment you are incorporating an interaction that you do not prefer, that you express differently from the other individual and you do not choose to be expressing this type of tone in your conversation [and] therefore your expression is different, and allowing yourself to recognize the beliefs that are influencing: the belief concerning appropriate interaction and behavior, the belief of consideration of other individuals, and the belief that other individuals should be expressing in the manner that you express, in similarity...

JEN: So, a lot of it's beliefs, checking in with your beliefs.

ELIAS: Yes. Once recognizing the beliefs that are influencing of your perception and acknowledging these beliefs, you may choose different expressions. You may choose to hear the individual differently, you may choose to express yourself differently, or you may choose to acknowledge that perhaps this is merely an expression of preference and one that you do not prefer and remove yourself from the interaction. But in any of these expressions, what you are generating is an allowance of yourself to pay attention to you and not concern yourself with the expression of the other individual for it matters not, for YOU have generated the perception.

JEN: Well, I think that's about it.

ELIAS: Very well. I am greatly encouraging of you, my friend, and I shall continue to be offering my energy to you in supportiveness.

JEN: Thank you, I may need it!

ELIAS: (Laughs) And you shall have it freely! (Chuckles)

JEN: I guess I'm understanding that I need to just continue on this path of trusting and accepting self and that the energy that I've been presenting to myself is not going away, and that even if a change does not occur instantly, if it's a change that I want to have happen, it will happen.

ELIAS: Correct, and there are no coincidences.

JEN: I know.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) Very well, my friend. I express to you, as always, tremendous affection. To you this day, au revoir.

JEN: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 4:22 PM.

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