Tuesday, April 2, 2002 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and a new participant, Don (Allard)
Elias arrives at 12:02 PM. (Arrival time is 24 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

DON: Good morning.

ELIAS: Welcome.

DON: Oh, thank you, Elias. (Elias chuckles) Shall I start with some questions?

ELIAS: You may.

DON: Thank you. Well, the first question I have will probably actually be an answer to about all of my questions; but I wonder, am I a designated final focus?

ELIAS: Yes.

DON: I've been reading - I just came across your material on the website two weeks ago, objectively anyway, and when I finally read some other people and you talking about final focuses and what are often the characteristics, I recognized a lot of myself pretty clearly and just felt like a weight had been taken off my shoulders. It feels like maybe the weight has settled back in a little bit, but I have a couple impressions about that. I wonder if I could run them by you and see what you think?

ELIAS: Very well.

DON: Thank you. I actually had the impression that at one point in time, not knowing any other words to use for that, another focus of mine had been designated final focus and my essence actually changed its decision that had been made and then I became the designated final focus. And as such, I feel like I've never really transited here all the way, as if I've kind of held the whole experience at arm's length a little bit, sort of staying in transition my whole life. Yet I also have the impression that I'm thinking of changing yet again and not being the final focus. What do you think of that?

ELIAS: I am acknowledging of your allowance in listening to your impressions, for you are correct. I may express to you this action is not quite common, but it is also not rare in the actions of essences. At times essences may alter the designation of a particular focus of attention as being the final focus, and I have offered information previously to other individuals that have experienced this type of action within essence. Although, as I have stated, I am quite acknowledging of your allowance of yourself to be listening to your impressions and offering yourself this information.

DON: Thank you. Your question, or rather what you say reminds me of a question. I've been wondering about my intent during this focus, and so in trying to think about that I've looked at where my experiences seem to flow easily and what things came naturally and joyously to me, and one of them has been introspection. I've just always loved that. So I think that must have been a good portion of my intent, or related to it, for this focus.

I also feel with my intent that I'm changing gears a little bit. I read with real interest your exchanges with Daryl. I don't remember his essence name, but I was quite taken with a lot of that and recognized a part of myself quite a bit in some of Daryl's experiences and maybe identified with him quite a bit, although our experiences have certainly been different. I felt that part of my intent was to put a challenge of fear, dealing with fear and duplicity, in front of myself and finding the way through it. So I should stop there. (Laughing) What do think about that, Elias?

ELIAS: You are correct in your assessment of your intent. And I may express to you, the general direction of your intent has been an exploration of intense expressions. That of fear has been a general theme within this particular focus, and allowing yourself to be examining and exploring the expression of generating that energy and maneuvering with that energy to be offering yourself information in how you may move around that energy or through it. But as I have stated, the general theme, although you choose fear as a main avenue of exploration, is to be exploring intensities of expressions and experiences.

DON: (Laughs) Yes, I've actually felt a craving in me for intensity much of my life, which kind of feels odd in a way because at the same time I feel like I've never... You've spoken of death as disengaging; I feel like I've never really engaged life fully. But I guess that doesn't mean that experience still isn't intense within that.

ELIAS: I am understanding. I may express to you, you may be viewing your focus and expressing to yourself that you feel that you have not actually engaged, but in actuality this is associated with your beliefs in how you should be engaging life.

DON: Very much so. (Elias coughs) Yes, and in reading your material intensely over the last weeks, I felt like I recognized very much of it immediately, although in part that's because I've been prepared by reading the Seth material.

Ha! I lost my train of thought. I wonder if I could give you my impressions as to my essence family I belong to and perhaps aligned with?

ELIAS: Very well.

DON: I've considered that question quite a bit on and off, and I felt like I identified strongly with some aspects of almost every family, Borledim being an exception and I thought that was interesting in itself. But I will say now that I think I'm belonging to Vold and I'm guessing that I'm aligned with Sumafi.

ELIAS: Correct.

DON: How many physical focuses do I have in this dimension, Elias? (Pause)

ELIAS: Nine hundred eighty-one.

DON: I had several interesting experiences while reading your material. One of them was that I had seen a question somebody had posed to you about famous historical focuses they may have had, and I thought, well, that's kind of a light, fun question. And I immediately thought to myself, well, of the hundred or so people I'd imagined I might have been in history, Beethoven came to mind. Then as I read the transcripts I saw that Beethoven is a focus of yours. My impression then of that was that I first was giving myself a validation of sorts as to my impressions, and then I thought still I probably... I just feel some association that it may just be because of some similarities in our experiences, that is between mine and Beethoven's. I wondered if you have any comments on that.

ELIAS: I may express to you that your impression is valid, for you do participate as an observing essence, partially, with that focus - not for the entirety of the manifestation of that focus, but for a partial time framework in association with that particular focus.

DON: I see. Thank you. I have a few impressions of some other focuses of mine I'd like to ask you about.

ELIAS: Very well.

DON: I had the impression that one focus of mine was of a young American man killed in battle in the Korean War. (Elias coughs) Maybe he was 19 at the time of death and I would have... I sort of tuned into a period after he had disengaged, and he had died of a neck wound, a jagged cut in the throat. (Elias begins coughing harder) Is that an impression of a focus of mine? (Mary returns at 12:16 PM)

MARY: Hold on, Don! (Mary takes a short break, and resumes the session with Elias returning at 12:20 PM.)

ELIAS: Continuing.

DON: Yes, so I was asking about an impression I had of a focus of mine being a young American killed in the Korean War from a wound across his neck. Was that truly a focus of mine?

ELIAS: Yes.

DON: I had an interesting reaction in reading your material to find that Oscar Wilde was a focus of yours. I feel like I'd somehow never really given that whole mass movement, or mass event rather, any thought in this focus, but I found I was actually scandalized a little bit to find that that was a focus of yours. It made me think that I did have a focus probably that did not know you but that was a contemporary and participating in that mass event, that was quite scandalized at that time.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

DON: Would that have been a European focus?

ELIAS: Yes.

DON: You know, it's funny. It just shows me how strong the belief system of duplicity is with me. I trust my impressions enough to ask you if it was European, but find I don't trust them enough to ask you what country. I feel like along with fear - or maybe there is no distinction - but I've been dealing with duplicity in the form particularly of comparing myself to others.

ELIAS: Ah!

DON: It's very difficult for me not to fall into better than/less than comparisons simultaneously it feels like everywhere I look. I've tried naturally, not from your material I think, to step aside from that. But it's been very much a part of my experience to see all parts of it in terms of better than/less than comparisons to others. I think I would definitely be moving and expressing my creativity with more ease were I able to give that less energy. Do you have any comments?

ELIAS: I agree, and I may express to you that you limit your expression quite a bit in generating this continuous comparison. Let me express to you, my friend, although this action is quite familiar and is expressed en masse within your physical dimension and in some respects is accepted and viewed as a positive action, I may express to you that this action of comparison discounts the individual and also lends reinforcement to the individual devaluing their worth. For even in the expressions of comparing in better, you are devaluing.

DON: Yes. Yes, exactly, that meaning they cannot be but two sides of the same coin.

ELIAS: Correct.

DON: So if I were to try to let them just... In creating my experience in accordance with that particular belief system, I take it I need to accept that belief system. I think I'm not very clear on acceptance. I know that you've answered that in similar questions many times now, but I'm probably looking for a little energy exchange more than an answer. But I wonder what you could say about dealing with that belief system for me?

ELIAS: I am understanding. In this, you express that you want to be not generating this expression of comparison and therefore allow yourself more freedom in your choices and in your outward expressions and in your inward expressions, and I am understanding of this desire. In this, the action of acceptance of the belief that is influencing of your perception, regardless of what belief you may be viewing, is to merely be acknowledging that you do incorporate that belief and allow yourself the freedom of choice, regardless of the expression of the belief.

Now; understand that the freedom of choice may be to continue to align with or express a particular belief in the manner in which you recognize it, but knowing that you are generating an expression in relation to a belief and its influence and that you are choosing that action objectively intentionally - or you may choose to express in a different manner.

Now; what may be helpful to you in this scenario, you may allow yourself in the moments that you notice that you are generating a comparison of yourself to any other individual or even to an action - for I am aware that you generate comparisons of better and worse not merely in relation to other individuals but also within yourself concerning actions that you incorporate.

DON: Yes.

ELIAS: In relation to other individuals, as you notice that you are expressing these comparisons of better and worse, allow yourself to turn your attention and express to yourself there are merely differences; one expression of an individual is not better or worse than any other; they are merely different. And in that moment, acknowledge yourself in your preference. For, you all incorporate preferences which are quite influencing of your choices.

Therefore, another individual may choose certain actions or expressions that you would not engage, and in that moment you may be expressing to yourself that their choice is worse than your choice would be. But as you allow yourself to turn your attention and recognize that you each incorporate different preferences, it becomes a recognition genuinely that there is no better or worse. Although you continue to incorporate your opinion and your preferences, in that moment what you are allowing yourself is to be accepting an aspect of a belief system, an expression of a belief, recognizing that it exists, acknowledging, recognizing that you incorporate your preference and you are allowing for the expression of your preference, but you are not generating judgment concerning the choice of another individual.

In this, I have stated many times, you may be accepting of beliefs and continue to incorporate your individual opinion, for you do hold preferences, and this shall not be in conflict with the action of accepting beliefs, for the action of accepting beliefs is to remove the expression of judgment.

DON: Yes, that makes a lot of sense. It makes me think about a problem in understanding I had had with regard to your statement that "it matters not." It might be that it matters not, but that does not imply that therefore there are no preferences.

ELIAS: Correct.

DON: Right.

ELIAS: Now; in relation to yourself and your expression of creating an action, per se, and your subsequent judgment of that action within yourself, expressing to yourself, "Ah! I may have created that action in a better manner, were I to be paying more attention." No! Merely allow yourself to notice that you are generating the comparison once again, and in noticing, allow yourself to acknowledge that this is an influence of your beliefs and that your choice in the moment was to be expressing whatever you created and that you may alter that choice in any other moment.

Therefore, the sting of the comparison of the better and worse is neutralized, for you offer yourself the freedom of choice and knowing that if you generate an experience in one moment that you do not prefer, you incorporate the choice in another moment to generate an experience that you do prefer.

DON: Yes. I can see in listening to you that my belief system of cause and effect is definitely playing along in here also. I've just experienced in the last two weeks a very clear example of that. In short, I felt like I have been, in terms of this belief system, shirking my work in order to read the transcripts of your material. (Laughs)

I've again lost my track of thought, Elias. I'm not sure what's going on there, but I maybe could switch gears to another question?

ELIAS: You may, and also, my friend, do not discount yourself, for you are engaging an actual energy exchange with myself and at times that expression of energy may be disruptive with individuals' thought processes. This is not unusual. (Elias chuckles)

DON: Okay. You mentioned discounting myself. That's also been a large part of my experience, of course very bound into an experience of fear, and really it's just another perspective on this comparison thing.

ELIAS: I am understanding. And in relation to your previous statement, once again you offer an example of discounting of yourself in judgment, that you choose to be incorporating a time framework in which you allow yourself an activity of engaging these transcriptions but you also express judgment to yourself in relation to your expectations of yourself concerning being responsible in relation to your workplace.

DON: Yes.

ELIAS: But these are merely choices, my friend. You are not generating wrong action. You are merely choosing in the moment. And in actuality, I shall be acknowledging of you that you have allowed yourself to direct yourself and choose what you want in action, regardless that you continue to express judgment in relation to yourself. You are allowing yourself to choose!

DON: Well, thank you. Yes.

ELIAS: And this is the point, my friend, for in this shift in consciousness, what you are shifting is your attention to yourself, and in widening your awareness and offering yourself information, you allow yourself to direct yourself.

DON: Thank you, yes. I have some trust of self there. I'll leave it at that, I guess.

I've been actually fascinated by the concept of truths, in your terms. First, I'm not sure why that concept has held such a fascination with me, as you say that they do not appear to be directly related to the issues that our belief systems address, at least. I wonder in part if my fascination isn't because this is a final focus of mine, and I'm hence moving onto at least another set of belief systems?

ELIAS: To the first element of your question concerning whether this fascination is generated in relation to the expression of the final focus, yes, within your expression this is correct.

As to your expression of moving into another set of beliefs, let me clarify: for once disengaging from this physical dimension, you move into an action of transition, and the purpose of transition is to shed beliefs associated with this physical dimension and to shed the objective awareness, for it is unnecessary in nonphysical areas of consciousness.

Although there are some other physical dimensions that incorporate belief systems, not all physical dimensions incorporate belief systems. This particular physical dimension does incorporate in its blueprint, or its construct, belief systems. Within nonphysical areas of consciousness, there are no belief systems.

DON: I had an experience, oh, quite some number of years ago, that was not an intense experience but it's one I haven't forgotten, and I'd like to ask you about. It was a guided visualization that took a few minutes that I did within a group. In this visualization I found myself in a place with these translucent purple halls and beings of human form but that seemed to be translucent golden webbed beings. There was a feeling of real gentleness there and a feeling of not really participating in emotion, and yet it wasn't cold. It was just very thoughtful and gentle. And I wonder if that's a place, a dimension that I have a focus in. I felt very much at home there.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

DON: In speaking of other dimensions, in the transcripts that I've read, at times you've talked to people about bleed-throughs when they would see some geometrical pattern. You said that would be - at least ones I recall - that was a bleed-through not of a focus but of an action. And I've wondered that about music. There is a music, or various types of music, that are often called music for musicians. They're not very popular, and they tend to be pretty complicated. Of course there's an infinite variety within that, but I'm wondering if often we don't have bleed-throughs from another dimension and translate that into music.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct. You generate many different types of translations in association with bleed-throughs of other dimensions, the actions of them or focuses within them, and you translate that energy into a type of form that is known to you within the design of this physical dimension. It may be altered from expressions that are familiar to you within your objective awareness, but nonetheless it is translated in some type of form that you may recognize within this physical dimension.

For in actuality, many times the energy that you are allowing to bleed-through from another dimension may not necessarily be accurately translatable within your physical dimension, but you reconfigure the energy and you create a translation in some form that you shall understand. Which I may express to you, it matters not; it does not invalidate the experience and the expression. It is merely reconfigured in a manner that you incorporate an understanding of.

DON: You have spoken of Sumafi as having the intent, among other things, of least distortion. It just occurs to me that with at least some types of bleed-throughs, music would probably be within this dimension the medium with which it can be... Its bleed-through can be expressed with least distortion.

ELIAS: Yes. Or color.

DON: You have mentioned that color is a truth...

ELIAS: Correct.

DON: ...several times and that tone is a truth. I believe at least once, or just while you were joking with the tissues, you mentioned that music is a truth. Did you mean that, or was that just part of what was happening in the moment? Is music a truth?

ELIAS: In the vibrational quality, yes.

DON: As opposed to tone? That is, as distinct from tone, rather?

ELIAS: Yes, for tone is not necessarily associated with sound.

DON: And the vibrational quality...

ELIAS: There is a different vibrational quality that can generate sound. It does not necessarily translate as sound in every area of consciousness, but it does incorporate the ability to be translated into sound.

DON: Oh! I'm thinking that these truths of tone and color and then vibrational quality are analogous then to our senses in this dimension of vision and hearing.

ELIAS: Yes! You are correct.

DON: I didn't ask you my orientation.

ELIAS: And your impression?

DON: My impression... It's been really difficult, and I've wondered if in part it's been difficult because I am a designated final focus and feel like I can identify with a lot of different systems within myself, it feels like. But my first thought was intermediate.

ELIAS: You are correct.

DON: Well, thank you, Elias.

ELIAS: And are you wishing for essence name?

DON: Well, I had a thought about that, a couple of thoughts. One was, as I understand it, our essence name as you give it to us is at least an approximation of the tone of our essence. Is that right?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

DON: I was wondering if, as I would think you could approximate tone in various modalities, I wondered if you could give me my essence name as an English sentence? Is that possible? (Pause)

ELIAS: One moment. (37-second pause) Very well. I may incorporate this game: All loving lures are readily dismissed.

DON: All loving lures, l-u-r-e-s?

ELIAS: Yes.

DON: Are readily dismissed?

ELIAS: Yes.

DON: (Laughs) Thank you, Elias, for being willing. I didn't know if that was possible. (Elias laughs) I actually had another game - this one might be simpler. I don't know if you'd be interested in it. I had the thought of giving you a platitude that's very steeped in our belief systems in this dimension and then you giving us a translation of it that has the least distortion. Would you be willing to try it?

ELIAS: Very well.

DON: Here's one. "Judge not lest ye be judged." (Pause)

ELIAS: Very well. In the expression of the reality of no separation, what you generate in any action in relation to any other aspect of consciousness, you generate within yourself, for it is you.

DON: Yes, thank you. That rings very true. It'd be fun to run through a bunch of those (Elias laughs) but I just wanted to get that out there. Thanks.

Well, I have just so many questions. (Elias laughs) Let's see, one that... It's funny that the questions of concrete things like focuses are definitely easiest to remember when there's this energy flow. Actually, it's been a very interactive experience with me to read these transcripts over the last two weeks, much more so than the Seth material, which influenced me very much. I wonder if I could tell you... Well, I mentioned the Beethoven thing. I'll tell you some other things that happened.

About a week ago... I have a tendency to have migraine headaches. I had a very bad one, and after about 18 hours of it I started thinking about some things I read in your material, and then I noticed the headache had gone. Then it came back and I woke up with it the next morning. When I started reading your material, the next thing I knew it was gone. Was that experience of mine an indication of what my reality might be if I'm following my intent? Well, I'll always follow my intent, but if it's flowing more easily, I allow it to flow more easily, or was there an energy interchange between us...

ELIAS: Both.

DON: ...during this headache?

ELIAS: Both.

DON: I also had the experience reading the material that sometimes I'd just be scanning it, wouldn't really even be reading it, and a phrase would catch my eye. Suddenly it felt as if - and I don't want to overemphasize this, it was a mild physical impression - but I did have the impression of the top of my head sort of lifting off a bit and tingling, and I just sat there without thought. My interpretation of that was that this material or some other energy was being sort of downloaded and incorporated, bypassing files subjectively. Would that be what you would say?

ELIAS: Yes, and also a physical expression that you generate in acknowledgment to yourself of your assimilation of the information and your allowance of yourself to be actually widening your awareness.

DON: Oh, and of course the symbolism of taking the top of my head off.

ELIAS: Yes.

DON: Yeah. It's like open it up and pour something in. Right.

ELIAS: Quite creative! (Elias chuckles)

DON: Do I have any observer essences along for the ride? That is, are there any that are participating but not actively within me?

ELIAS: Yes.

DON: How many?

ELIAS: Two.

DON: Would these be essences that also have focuses that I know...

ELIAS: No.

DON: ...personally?

ELIAS: No.

DON: Did you say no?

ELIAS: No.

DON: I wondered if I could ask you the ... oh, I see that we're about out of time. If I could just ask you... Well, I shouldn't ask this question, I guess.

I've had some mild neurological symptoms, so mild that they're inconsequential, over the last 15 years. And just more out of curiosity almost than anything else, and just wanting some reassurance that I didn't have anything serious, I had an MRI done, which gave me a picture of the internals of my head. There were a couple lesions in the white matter below my right frontal and temporal lobes, and a smaller one back in the white matter by the parietal lobe. I have very little if no anxiety about this in terms of thinking that I have an illness that I should be concerned about, but still I'm kind of fascinated by it, and I have a few ideas. I'll just barely have time to run through them with you. The main impression I have is that this is just a rewiring for whatever I'm choosing to have come down the pike in my experience. Would you ... is that correct?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct in a manner of speaking. You have offered yourself a physical viewing of actually creating new neurological pathways, which are actual physical alterations of your physical brain.

DON: I think that these are associated with this shift I felt in my own experience about four or five years ago. Did I enter transition at that point?

ELIAS: Yes.

DON: Well, Elias, thank you so much. I do have actually quite a few more questions that I would like to ask, both personal and some more general. Perhaps I can at some future point?

ELIAS: Very well, my friend! I shall anticipate our next meeting. (Chuckles)

DON: Okay. Well, thanks again.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome, and I may express to you an encouragement in your movement and also I shall offer a supportive energy to you as you allow yourself to be paying attention to you and attempting to discontinue your comparison action. I shall offer my energy expression in encouragement to you.

DON: Well, thank you, Elias.

ELIAS: I also offer to you my tremendous affection and express to you this day (Elias coughs), au revoir.

DON: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 1:03 PM.

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