Thursday, March 28, 2002 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and David (Othello)
Elias arrives at 12:41 PM. (Arrival time is 36 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

DAVID: Good morning, my friend. (Elias laughs) What's up, Elias? Can you hear me good?

ELIAS: Yes! And how does your adventure proceed presently?

DAVID: Ooo, lovely, lovely, I must admit! (Laughs with Elias) Having a good time, Elias, having a good time. It's a lot of action, you could say, going on.

ELIAS: Ah! And what are you creating?

DAVID: What am I creating? (Elias chuckles) What did you ask me?

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: What am I creating? A lot of, you could say, self-discovery.

ELIAS: Ah! Do tell, my friend.

DAVID: Yes, yes. Things are looking up within that realm of self. Yes. But I wanted to ask you for some stuff.

ELIAS: Very well.

DAVID: That time when me and Mikey, we got stoned, was that you presenting yourself to Mikah? (Pause)

ELIAS: An energy expression, yes.

DAVID: Energy expression?

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: What do you mean by that?

ELIAS: An offering of energy. Mikah creates his own imagery, but the energy expression is present.

DAVID: That time I was walking up the hill and I started going into this very beautiful understanding, and I thought I could hear the Dream Walkers talking, and then I saw the liquid with the rose, the rose liquid on the floor, right after that... I thought that was an affirmation of what I just heard. Can you break that down a little bit?

ELIAS: Let me express to you, your validation is correct.

Now; let me also offer to you an explanation that what you have allowed is an interaction of energy deposits, not a direct interaction of essences. Are you understanding?

DAVID: That's interesting. So what was the rose on the floor?

ELIAS: This is a validation that you have offered to yourself of the genuine experience, but your interpretation of the experience was that you were interactive directly with other essences, and what you actually were offering to yourself in the moment was a tapping into energy deposits of other essences.

Let me offer to you in explanation, this is no less valid in offering you information. I am merely expressing a distinction of direct interaction with energy that expresses an attention and energy that does not express an attention.

DAVID: An attention, what?

ELIAS: In like manner to yourself, within physical focus you may be physically present with another individual and another individual may be interactive with you, but you may not necessarily be paying attention to the interaction. In essence, a similar action may occur, in which you may be tapping into the energy of other essences and you may be accessing information, but it may not necessarily be expressed with the attention of the other essences. Are you understanding?

DAVID: Yes. So is that what I did sort of with Joseph Campbell and Jim Henson?

ELIAS: Clarify.

DAVID: Uh, it's a little difficult to get into. I felt sort of like I was him momentarily, Joseph Campbell, or his ideology. I felt very connected to... (Pause) That wasn't a connection to any energy deposit, let me put it like that. (Pause)

ELIAS: I am understanding. This is a similar but different type of action that you generated. For this is an action of tapping into the worldview of the individual, and in this, there is an aspect of attention that is projected into that energy deposit.

DAVID: So when is it when I'm talking to the Dream Walkers, or receiving information from them or holding interaction with them?

ELIAS: I may express to you, you may be tapping into this energy expression in any time framework. It is dependent upon your choice.

DAVID: Who are you speaking of? Yourself?

ELIAS: You.

DAVID: Yes, me?

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: In what way? I don't understand, Elias.

ELIAS: I may validate to you, in the moments that you are offering yourself these types of experiences, they are quite real and valid, and you may generate that action within any moment that you choose.

DAVID: Oh, yeah, I know that. Basically it is valid and it's not distorted?

ELIAS: It is valid. I may express to you that you do generate a translation but it matters not, for it...

DAVID: It's influencing of what I need in that moment, maybe?

ELIAS: Correct. (15-second pause) Continue.

DAVID: Oh. I'm saying it's influencing of what I'm asking in that moment, you could say.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

DAVID: Yes, yes, I understand that. Is that my essence I'm tapping into, or is essence and the Dream Walkers all the same, of course?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes, they are the same in relation to no separation, although I may express to you also a distinction that you are allowing yourself to be tapping into the expression of your essence and other essences...

DAVID: Like who?

ELIAS: ...in relation to the Dream Walkers, for you allow an openness within yourself to be tapping into the energy of some of these Dream Walkers and offering yourself information in conjunction with your movement within a particular time framework.

DAVID: What do you mean by that, within a particular time framework?

ELIAS: It is dependent upon your movement within particular moments, as you are aware, that you allow yourself this type of openness to these energy expressions.

DAVID: So those are different essences?

ELIAS: In cooperation with your essence, yes.

DAVID: Which essences are those, Elias?

ELIAS: I may express to you, my friend, that you do not generate an energy expression that is necessarily specific. For in the energy that you generate in these moments that you allow this openness, your attention moves to offer you information, not necessarily concerning yourself with specific identifications. Therefore the energy expressions that you allow yourself to be interactive with are not specific, and fluctuate.

DAVID: So then sometimes it is with Rose that I get information?

ELIAS: At times.

DAVID: And sometimes it's with other essences that I could probably just figure out on my own.

ELIAS: Correct.

DAVID: But it matters not, it's just that I'm presenting myself with the information I need in that moment...

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: ...or I'm asking for in that moment.

ELIAS: Yes, and this is the point.

DAVID: How many focuses do I have as witch doctors or sorcerers or shamans - you know, things of that nature, medicine men? (Pause)

ELIAS: Eighteen.

DAVID: How many focuses do I have in general, Elias? (Pause)

ELIAS: Four hundred eighty-two.

DAVID: And are there a majority of those focuses that move within a certain liking? Meaning, like I said earlier, witch doctor or warrior? (Pause)

ELIAS: Ah, you are attempting to identify a preference.

DAVID: Yes. (Pause)

ELIAS: I may express to you, as essence and your preference of manifestations in this physical dimension, generally your manifestations of focuses presented themselves as what you may identify as peasants with a particular quality of expression which is also exhibited somewhat in this focus, that expression which is expressed almost as a theme within your manifestations, of a type of jester.

DAVID: A type of jester?

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: (Laughs) That's interesting. (Pause) So, a type of jester. Now, you said that most of them were sort of like peasants.

ELIAS: Yes, but displaying this quality.

DAVID: Sort of like playfulness, you could say.

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: Yeah, I could see that very much. That's interesting. And do I have a focus as a sorcerer? (Pause)

ELIAS: I have offered to you response to this question in your previous question. You incorporate several focuses as what you may term to be a sorcerer or a shaman or, in your terms, a witch doctor. Ha ha!

DAVID: (Laughs) They probably all possess the quality of jester in them.

ELIAS: Yes. Ha ha!

DAVID: Now I specifically wanted to ask for Scotland, and if I share a sorcerer focus with you and Mikah. (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: Is that as a Merlin type?

ELIAS: Type, yes.

DAVID: But the Merlin entity itself was several different Merlins, sort of?

ELIAS: Yes. In actuality this is a term, not necessarily an individual. It is a term which has been incorporated as an identification of a type of sorcerer.

DAVID: Well, I won't go too much into this. That sounds interesting. (Pause)

Now, I hear sounds when I get really relaxed. It sounds like a generator. Is that something in the basement of my building or is that something that I'm experiencing in communication with energy? (Pause)

ELIAS: Ah. This is your allowance of yourself to be experiencing an expression of an other-dimensional focus.

DAVID: And how is that? What is that, the sound of that dimension?

ELIAS: Within your dimension it is a translation, but you allow for this expression in sound to be experiencing what you may term to be a close association - although it is a translation - with the energy expression of that other dimension.

DAVID: How many other-dimensional focuses do I have, Elias?

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! I may express to you, my friend, they are countless.

DAVID: Oh, okay. (Elias laughs) You like laughing, huh?

Elias, are Jenny and me a fragment of the same essence?

ELIAS: No.

DAVID: Did you say no?

ELIAS: No.

DAVID: No, but with counterpart action.

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: Two weeks ago, was I moving through transition? (Pause)

ELIAS: Clarify.

DAVID: Well, I think I was expanding. Maybe that's what it was, 'cause I was experiencing a lot of paranoia as if I was dead and I wasn't accepting death, but then I realized really it is the same, death and life.

ELIAS: You are correct. This is not transition, but it is an offering to yourself in experience of widening your awareness and recognition of what you have expressed, that movement within consciousness continues and that although you incorporate beliefs in relation to separation concerning death, it is merely another movement within consciousness. You are correct; life and death, in a manner of speaking, are the same.

DAVID: Yes, in a sense. I understand. (Pause) Give me one moment, Elias.

ELIAS: Very well, my friend. Ha ha! (David laughs) You may incorporate as many moments as you wish! Ha ha!

DAVID: Do I hold a focus of Emily Dickinson? (Pause)

ELIAS: No, but I may express to you, you do incorporate a focus which is known to that individual and incorporates camaraderie in school with that individual.

DAVID: Do I have a focus as Antonin Artaud? (Pause)

ELIAS: Observing.

DAVID: Does the individual who I'm thinking of right now, does that hold a focus of Jean Cocteau?

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! Quite evasive! (Chuckles and David laughs) Observing essence.

DAVID: Oh, okay. (Laughs) So Jim Henson and Joseph Campbell, those aren't my focuses?

ELIAS: No. (Pause)

DAVID: Did you enter my video game that time?

ELIAS: No. This is an expression of your energy.

DAVID: Meaning what? My essence or my energy? You mean, playing with myself?

ELIAS: Yes. (Chuckles)

DAVID: Offering myself sort of an understanding of self, you could say...

ELIAS: Yes!

DAVID: ...or of consciousness.

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: Interesting. (17-second pause) So what else is new, Elias? (Elias laughs; pause)

Is there anything I should know, Elias, in this journey of remembrance that maybe I'm presenting to myself but I'm not listening to?

ELIAS: Express to myself your identification of your awareness presently of what YOU are generating. Shall you express to myself your recognition of your movement presently?

DAVID: I feel I'm just listening and following my rhythms, my pace, sort of like a self-guidance.

ELIAS: And what are you presenting to yourself in this self-guidance? What information are you offering to yourself now?

DAVID: In creating reality?

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: Well, to see how easy it is to create reality and to really move within self and move within the understanding of how simple it all is when we let go and just move or be.

ELIAS: And in this, express to myself an identification of your movement in paying attention to you.

DAVID: You mean the ease once I start paying attention to me?

ELIAS: No. Express to myself your recognition of your accomplishment in paying attention to yourself.

I am inquiring specifically, Othello, for previously you and I have engaged discussions concerning your attention in relation to yourself now, and your expression of projecting your attention in expectations of other individuals and the conflict that this has generated within your movement individually. I am inquiring specifically that you may allow yourself to outwardly express a recognition and validation of yourself in relation to how you have moved your attention to yourself.

DAVID: In how I've moved my attention to myself? Oh, yes. Once I went into myself, it seems everything becomes much simpler. I get out of my own way, you could say.

ELIAS: Ah ha! And in this, what have you presented to yourself?

DAVID: Just trusting myself and allowing myself to experience what I want...

ELIAS: Correct.

DAVID: ...without conflict.

ELIAS: Correct. Therefore, what you offer to yourself is a new discovery of freedom, for you are expressing less expectations.

DAVID: Oh, I see what you're saying. So is that what expectation means?

ELIAS: Expectations are expressed in relation to individuals' beliefs and limitations that they express in relation to themselves and in relation to other individuals, and individuals express a rigidness in relation to expectations. As you allow yourself to not be generating expectations in relation to yourself or to other individuals, you also allow yourself much more of a flexibility, so to speak, within your energy, and you offer yourself much more of an expression of freedom in your choices.

In this, I may express to you, my friend, this questioning that I have offered to you, in a manner of speaking, has been a game to allow you the opportunity to express an acknowledgment to yourself. For I may be acknowledging of you, but it is much more significant that you be acknowledging of yourself, for I am incorporating a recognition of your energy expression and your allowance of yourself to be listening to you. You have moved your attention much more to yourself in this time framework between our last meeting and now.

DAVID: Oh, yeah! It's been a big movement! (Elias laughs) I feel like I'm the opposite of who I was. A sixth sense, you could say.

ELIAS: You have offered yourself much more of an expression of freedom, and you have allowed yourself to genuinely turn your attention to you and have concerned yourself much less with projecting your attention to other individuals and have generated much less conflict, have you not?

DAVID: What a difference! (Elias laughs) That's what I was trying to say but you put it in words. Thanks, Elias. (Both laugh) For real, yeah! That's what I've been thinking these past few months. Wow. I keep on noticing that, but sometimes I need to just sit down and concentrate on it to really feel it out.

ELIAS: And validate yourself.

DAVID: Yeah, and validate myself. That's the big thing now. Now I'm going to be validating. (Elias laughs) More and more, yeah! (Laughs) I can see where that jester focus comes in handy! (Both chuckle)

I swear, I feel like it is coming in now much less with the outside. That's why I've been looking at the kids a lot and I said, "Wow, what a thing it is to notice them and to notice when I DO pay attention more." More authorization, you could say, to the outside and less authority to myself, in a sense. Less allowance of me being me because of judging myself through the outside.

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: It's like I run myself in a circle, like I chase a tail like a dog, like a dog chases a tail, you know?

ELIAS: I am understanding. But you are offering yourself much more of a freedom, and you are allowing yourself to be incorporating much less conflict and much more of an ease as you continue to turn your attention to you, and this is what I am acknowledging of you.

DAVID: Yes, and for you to be acknowledging of you, I am acknowledging of me!

ELIAS: Ha ha! Very well!

DAVID: It's nice, it's nice. Yeah, in the past several months, I should, yeah. It's been nice, it's been a very nice movement. I was using that ship analogy you gave me.

ELIAS: Ah!

DAVID: And then I started realizing, wow, it's even more than just me, like you said. That's why I like reading your stuff and my stuff. It's me presenting me to me.

ELIAS: Yes! Yes.

DAVID: And validating that. You are me. Why did I put you in front of me?

ELIAS: Correct.

DAVID: You are me, in a sense, in a big sense.

ELIAS: You are correct, my friend.

DAVID: Yes, I understand that. That's why I could talk to people and mend into their energy and see where they are...

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: ...when they're talking to me, instead of listening to my own belief system, you could say, see where they're coming from and understand that I do choose my reality.

ELIAS: And this is the point, my friend.

DAVID: That's why it's time now for a big vacation, Elias. I've worked hard these past few years and I gotta take a big vacation for the rest of my life! (Elias laughs) No more work; just doing what I want to do! That's a big cherry on the cake for me. (Laughs) Yes, it's time. It's my time. That's my punch-out card. No more slowing myself down or negating myself, you could say. But it got me to where I am now, and that's the experience.

ELIAS: And this is the point, my friend.

DAVID: That is the beauty of the experience. I could say the flesh is lovely, Elias. No wonder why you like talking to us! (Laughs with Elias) It's so amazing. That is the reality, huh? That is creation and consciousness; it's something very beautiful, very magnificent.

ELIAS: You are correct.

DAVID: It's humongous and incredible in its glory.

ELIAS: And this is what you are beginning to allow yourself to realize, that which I have been expressing to you all from the onset of my interaction with you objectively: the wondrousness of yourselves and the wondrousness of your expressions and what you generate within this physical dimension.

DAVID: It's really amazing. I mean, amazing. All of it. Everything. It's incredible.

ELIAS: And now you recognize the value of play.

DAVID: Is that why my essence incorporated Tumold and that jester character? Sometimes I think I made it easy on myself. What's the point of that? (Elias laughs) Lending energy in a sense, also?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes.

DAVID: Or is that just a very playful essence?

ELIAS: (Chuckles) Yes.

DAVID: Yes, much playfulness. Now I see why those little kids have so much fun. It's interesting, it's really incredible, to be sort of at one with yourself and trust and understanding and love and movement. We move within ourself.

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: That is the experience. It's a movement within self.

ELIAS: Yes, and this is the point. It matters not that you manifest within a physical dimension or that you incorporate attentions within nonphysical areas of consciousness. The action is the same, for the action of consciousness is a continuous expression of expansion and discovery and creation of self.

DAVID: Wow. (Pause) That's incredible, and that's so simple.

ELIAS: Yes. (Chuckles)

DAVID: Yeah, yeah, very simple. And I guess that's part of the shift.

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: It coincides with the shift, you could say.

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: That's why everyone holds the information. I mean, I personally or this forum uses it in a very more specific sense, you could say. But that's for our own taste buds.

ELIAS: You are correct.

DAVID: That's our own personal taste.

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: No different.

ELIAS: Correct.

DAVID: It's all just movement and experience.

ELIAS: Every individual manifest within your physical dimension is generating movement in association with this shift in consciousness.

DAVID: So interesting. It's really incredible movement. In a sense, we are discovering ourself for the first time, you could even say.

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes.

DAVID: In a sense, yeah. Intriguing. But what a difference it is, once we start going inside and seeing, oh, look, I DO pay attention to the outside. I give it more authority than I give myself, the outside world or that outside circumstance or that outside individual, and we lend THAT the power. In a sense, we create that to be the thing to overcome, an expectation, in a sense, that we won't get what we want 'cause of this and 'cause of that.

ELIAS: Correct.

DAVID: We pay less attention to who we are, to self...

ELIAS: Correct.

DAVID: ...to All-That-Is.

ELIAS: And in this, you are correct, you offer yourself LESS in choice, and therefore you do not generate what you want. But in turning your attention to self and expressing a trust and acceptance of yourself, you allow yourself choices and you allow yourself to genuinely create what you want.

DAVID: And experience it. It's really the same. You can even look at creating what you don't want and see how you did create it and move within yourself at a greater rhythm, you could say, a greater understanding, a greater discovery.

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: Oh, so that's where that comes into play with how I thought I was transitioning last week. I was just opening up to myself in discovery and it was so overwhelming in self-amazement, you could say. I was sort of blowing my mind out of proportion - I mean, blowing my mind, opening up.

ELIAS: And offering yourself more information in experience.

DAVID: Wow. Feels like smooth sailing. (Elias laughs) Just gotta enjoy the sea.

ELIAS: (Laughs) And allow yourself to direct your ship.

DAVID: Yeah. I see a party on the ship, Elias. You coming, or what?

ELIAS: Ah, quite, my friend!

DAVID: When are you and me gonna drink a beer, Elias?

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! (You may choose the time framework and I shall offer my energy.

DAVID: That sounds more like my kind of thing. (Elias laughs) So what else, Elias, what else?

ELIAS: I am quite compliant with playfulness, my friend. Ha ha ha!

DAVID: I know that, baby, I know that. Or you wouldn't have had that Oscar Wilde focus! (Laughs and Elias laughs) That's sort of like a merry-man philosophy almost, the jester thing. You know, just to have fun, in a sense...

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: ...have playfulness.

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: That's like Buddhism, a form of meditation, playfulness. Those merry men, they were great philosophers, I must admit. (Both laugh)

So that's interesting. So really now, it's just talking to myself, listening and talking and understanding and moving, that's where I've come to now.

ELIAS: And continue to pay attention to you.

DAVID: Yeah, and continue to pay attention to me. That's incredible.

So when you gonna take me on your ship so I can come check out where you are, Elias?

ELIAS: Ah, this is your choice, my friend. (Chuckles)

DAVID: Oh, yeah, I'm scared of that. I'm not ready for that yet; I'm still in my physical boots. (Elias laughs) I'm not ready to take off the physical boots yet - must have a little more fun.

ELIAS: Very well.

DAVID: So how does the Tumold aspect come into play with all that? I really like the Dream Walker thing and all this - something in it I like a lot. I feel like it's almost like a security, like a parent holding a child's hand. The information, too...

ELIAS: I am understanding.

DAVID: I didn't put myself here blind and not knowing what's going on, you could say, on that path. There's so much help and so much guidance, so much lending of energy and understanding. It's really incredible.

ELIAS: Correct.

DAVID: And more playful than we could ever imagine, and discovering.

ELIAS: You are correct, my friend. And I continue to express to you all, you choose to be engaging this physical dimension as a game.

DAVID: As a game?

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: Yeah! I like video games. (Elias chuckles) It's sort of like a cosmic video game.

ELIAS: Quite! I am in agreement with your analogy.

DAVID: (Laughs) Wow, that's actually very freeing, if we could see it like that, you know?

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: That's incredible. It's a cosmic video game. And also when we do things, like physical things, we can see aspects of our essence in them and understand ourselves even at a greater pace, you could say. Or, you know, self-allowance, maybe.

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: I love playing video games, right? Every video game that I really love to play is sort of like a life in itself. You play the game, there's some boards that you get stuck on and you can't beat the boards, and then you keep on going, keeping your focus and your desire, and you play and play and have fun and you beat the board. You sort of discover yourself, like, "Oh, look, I CAN do that; I DO do this."

ELIAS: Quite, and this is your imagery that you present to yourself in reflection of yourself.

DAVID: Yeah! For I am my essence.

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: It's interesting, huh? Yeah, and those little activities you could communicate with yourself and see who you are...

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: ...and the greater sense of self and All-That-Is sense. Or taste buds, that's what that is, in taste. So it really comes down to taste, also.

ELIAS: Your preferences, yes.

DAVID: Yeah, my preferences as self and as essence.

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: That's really incredible. My good friend, Elias. (Elias laughs) I'll call you Grandpa. Yeah.

So what did happen that day when I was here with Mikah? We got stoned, and I felt like I was sitting on top of my grandfather's shoulders but I could see through my head, but I felt I wasn't talking with my voice. I thought it was you telling him, "I offer you much playfulness, Mikah."

ELIAS: As I have expressed, these are your translations. The energy was expressed, but the actual expression of words, so to speak, were your translations of the energy.

DAVID: Oh, that's cool, so that's a translation. It's not a distortion; it's really a translation.

ELIAS: Correct.

DAVID: The energy still comes through the same.

ELIAS: Correct.

DAVID: I guess distortion is when one physically wants to distort something.

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes.

DAVID: 'Cause translation, you're bringing it through but in sort of just a normal language kind of framework, you could say, or a preference.

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: You know, a self preference, poetic preference or whatever it could be.

ELIAS: Yes, and in association with what is known within your physical dimension.

DAVID: So, wow. That's interesting.

Tumold, I really like Tumold. That's incredible. So all my focuses are Tumold? (Elias chuckles) Wow, that's wild. But they don't all experience the way I experience that one aspect of self?

ELIAS: No, for the point of physical manifestation is exploration within the physical dimension, and therefore it may be viewed as redundant if an essence is expressing all of their focuses of attention in the same manner.

DAVID: I see what you're saying, of course, and in a sense it is the same.

ELIAS: It is all you, but generating many, many different experiences and choosing to explore different avenues of your physical dimension.

DAVID: Wow. In the nonphysical dimensions where my essence partakes or I have other focuses, do they move within Tumold and essence families?

ELIAS: Not necessarily. These essence families are associated with this physical dimension.

DAVID: So how do they move in those other ways, those nonphysical worlds? What are they experiencing?

ELIAS: (Chuckles) This is quite a broad question, my friend, and I may express to you that you may respond to your question in allowing yourself to experience what you generate in action as essence in other areas of consciousness.

DAVID: Wow, that sounds cool. I definitely will. That sounds like a good little homework to do. (Elias chuckles)

ELIAS: You may be generating your own individual cosmic video game!

DAVID: Cosmic what game?

ELIAS: Video game.

DAVID: (Laughs) You mean, do it myself, in other words? Go check it out for myself?

ELIAS: Quite! Ha ha ha ha ha!

DAVID: I use the out-of-body vehicle, ah, ship?

ELIAS: If you are so choosing.

DAVID: Oh, yeah, I think it's time I start facing that part of myself 'cause I got little heebie-jeebies. I get scared. (Elias laughs) I get scared, that's what it is, I get scared. I feel like I see ghosts or I'm communicating and I get scared. See, I get scared 'cause I feel like, "Uh-oh. Am I dead?" (Laughs) But of course, I am, in a sense. You know what I mean?

ELIAS: I may assure you, my friend, you shall incorporate an awareness quite clearly in the moment that you choose to be disengaging.

DAVID: What does that mean?

ELIAS: In the moment that you choose the action of death, you shall be quite clearly aware of that choice. Therefore, you need not question yourself whether you are dead or not. You shall know quite clearly and objectively the moment that you choose that action.

And you may also express to yourself in relation to this fear that you generate in relation to projection, you speak to a ghost! You are speaking, in your terms, presently to a ghost! Ha ha ha! Is this fearful to you?

DAVID: Actually, no, not at all. It's quite fun.

ELIAS: Quite. Therefore, allow yourself to be remembering that this interaction is not fearful, therefore, why shall you generate fearfulness in relation to what you may encounter in projection? For it shall be no more harmful to you than your interaction with myself.

DAVID: That's quite validating. That's quite freeing. I like that. (Elias chuckles) That's my fear, that I might get harmed. You're right, that's what it is. I got this thing with that. So now I can plug into that. Ooo, what shall I be presenting to myself? I guess the fun has just begun. Cool!

Mr. Elias, you are mighty cool, I must admit. (Elias laughs) So, let's see, I guess... So I am seeing you, your little energy blue lights, right?

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: That's you?

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: 'Cause I feel it, I know it. What are the other colored lights? 'Cause I see white and black also now.

ELIAS: This is your energy expression.

DAVID: What do you mean, my essence?

ELIAS: This is an expression of energy that you offer to yourself in moments that you are moving your attention and in moments that you are validating of yourself.

DAVID: Oh, wow. What do you mean, moving my attention? Away from self and to the outside?

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: Oh, that's awesome, man!

ELIAS: Therefore, you offer yourself a signal to move your attention to yourself once again.

DAVID: So I offer myself a signal of attention?

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: To myself?

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: Does it depend on which color it is?

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: So the black one is I'm paying attention to the outside?

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: And the white one to be paying attention to myself?

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: Oh, that's cool, man. That's me giving that to me, you could say.

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: Ooo, so now I'm in discovery of my own essence. Interesting, very interesting, I must admit, all of this physical stuff. Wow, that's pretty cool, man.

So that day I saw the hawk, was that Rose? The hawk was flying around and showing me how simple it is to fly.

ELIAS: This is your imagery of that essence, yes.

DAVID: Oh, and that was my communication with that essence?

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: So we sort of have our own means of communication; we have our own preference of communicating...

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: ...our own style that's sort of like an energy that we communicate with. It's sort of like an energy we use, communicating to ourself.

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: Wow, that's pretty interesting. So, in a sense, I use that energy to communicate to myself through a self-preference, almost.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

DAVID: Wow. That's incredible. Oh, wow. So then my experience talking to the bird, or getting information when I ask for it through an energy exchange would be different than someone else's because I have my own personal preference of communicating with myself.

ELIAS: Yes, and you create your individual unique imagery.

DAVID: Why did I pick Tumold and Sumari?

ELIAS: And your impression?

DAVID: I've seen it as making it a little bit easier on myself. That's my own impression, my own take on it - sort of lend myself a big hand...

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking.

DAVID: ...'cause of the playfulness aspect of myself. How do you see it? You tell me your point of view.

ELIAS: This is a preference of your essence in expression and qualities. In the expression of energy of your essence, you naturally express a type of energy that moves in alignment with the qualities and expressions of other essences which are, in a manner of speaking, defined in the qualities of this family of Tumold. This is a natural preference that your essence expresses.

DAVID: Ah, that's interesting. Oh, so that's how the families come about, is through preference?

ELIAS: Yes, a preference of an expression of energy and qualities that translate in physical expressions within your physical dimension.

DAVID: Wow, that's incredible. So, those families are really formed by preference...

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: ...in a sense. I mean, it's not like a family, like a pack. It's just a preference, a movement of energy in preference terms.

ELIAS: Yes, and figuratively speaking a grouping of essences that express similar preferences.

DAVID: Wow, that's pretty cool. That's wild, huh? So that's why judgment is pretty silly, 'cause it's all self preference.

ELIAS: Correct.

DAVID: Even trying to fix somebody is a big joke because it's just their self-preference. You could lend them energy in helping them understand themselves, maybe, but that would be my self-preference, too.

ELIAS: Correct.

DAVID: And their way of experiencing is their own self-preference.

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: Wow, that's really beautiful. It's very freeing and non-limiting...

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: ...very open to expression, which is what the physical is all about - expression in the physical!

ELIAS: Correct.

DAVID: In a sense, in a slower rhythm.

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: Isn't that what the physical is? We're working at a slower rhythm?

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: Of energy.

ELIAS: Yes.

DAVID: Slowing it down, in a sense, to physically experience what's going on in a slower sense.

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes.

DAVID: In a manner of speaking. I guess I should throw in "in a manner of speaking" at the end of every sentence I speak! (Both laugh) 'Cause everybody confuses everything! You got to really listen to the energy that's going on, or like connect to yourself. That's the biggest thing, is to connect to yourself. (Elias laughs) You don't connect to yourself, you're just wandering around, you know? Listening to every babble and everything, and you don't know what the hell is going on. (Elias laughs) That's a really important fact of this physical world, listening to self. Wow.

My good buddy, Elias. God bless you, brother! (Elias laughs) I am anticipating our next beer meeting.

ELIAS: And I shall also, my friend.

DAVID: Oh, let me ask one more question.

ELIAS: Very well.

DAVID: That night when we smoked, me and Mikah, we smoked the marijuana, the herb, the lovely herb, what happened was... I mean, it got really wild. I was joking around ... well, I wasn't really joking, I was doing it quite intentful to sort of call on the powers or energies or essences. Then the wind came and the house was really windy in the apartment. The whole building was woooo, woooo! And we thought spirits were around, were in the air.

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, they are and they are always present.

DAVID: Oh, that's why it really doesn't matter. You use marijuana to initiate information or you use yourself, just that will-power to initiate, 'cause we're always connected. You just gotta listen.

ELIAS: Correct.

DAVID: You got to be calm and relaxed and allow it to present itself and allow yourself to accept it.

ELIAS: Correct.

DAVID: Ah, my beautiful Grandpa! I shall be seeing you, brother.

ELIAS: Very well, my friend.

DAVID: All my love. And I'll have a beer - we will call on you.

ELIAS: Very well!

DAVID: I'll knock three times on the wooden table and I expect to see the lights starting to flash so we know you're there. (Both laugh) For any of us doubters! (Laughs)

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha! I shall be compliant, my friend.

DAVID: What a beautiful day to you, Elias. I love you, and I love myself the same.

ELIAS: And I offer my expression of the same to you. As always, my dear friend, in tremendous affection...

DAVID: Oh, yeah, I like that word!

ELIAS: ...au revoir.

DAVID: Au revoir, baby, au revoir. Hugs and kisses.

Elias departs at 1:52 PM.

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