Definitions of Accomplishment and Value
"Definitions of Accomplishment and Value"
"Belief Associations with Medication"
Friday, March 8, 2002 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Nicky (Candace)
Elias arrives at 3:25 PM. (Arrival time is 24 seconds.)
NICKY: Good morning. How are you?
ELIAS: Ha ha! As always. And yourself?
NICKY: (Laughing) As always!
ELIAS: Ah! Very well!
NICKY: Ive got a couple questions ... not really. I have a couple impressions and questions relating to others, and then I would like to be able to just chitchat with you.
ELIAS: Very well.
NICKY: Lets see, where are we going to go first?
There were two impressions by two different individuals regarding Joseph Campbell, in regards to the family belonging and alignment. Ones impression was Tumold/Sumari and one was Tumold/Sumafi. Which one would he be? (19-second pause)
ELIAS: And shall I express to you, what is the significance of this questioning?
NICKY: I dont know. Personally, myself, I dont know but I was asked if I would ask this question. It was supposed to be put in the Game element and then that changed. The end result question was theyre curious as to which one he was.
ELIAS: Ah. You may express to each individual, if they are choosing to be generating a Game entry they may do so themselves. I may express, otherwise this question is inconsequential.
NICKY: Let me mark that down: inconsequential. Is that correct?
NICKY: Mylo, in regards to health and his movement, he wanted to know if you have a word for him, a message type thing, an encouragement type thing, in whatever that is in regards to - for his health and his movement, I believe is how he told me.
ELIAS: You may express to Mylo that if he is choosing to engage conversation with myself, I shall be quite willing to offer response to his questioning and offer encouragement to him in association with his movement, and I offer my invitation to him.
NICKY: (Laughs) Okay, cool. Mikah and Emilio want validation that at some point in time they were part of the royal family. They havent gotten into what time. Theyre not asking for what time, just a validation that they were part of the royal family.
ELIAS: Which royal family?
NICKY: Of England. Im sorry. (Pause)
NICKY: All righty, let me see. I met this man, this fellow named Mike. I knew there was something there. My impressions... I was getting a lot of information. I wasnt able to clarify it, and in talking with William it was her impression that he was Arnold Rucker. Is that correct?
NICKY: Oh, interesting. I wonder what I was picking up, then?
ELIAS: A similar energy.
NICKY: Would I be able to go to the arena then that he was an artist in some respect?
ELIAS: Yes, but not of notoriety.
NICKY: So thats more or less what I was picking up then?
NICKY: Do I hold an aspect of a Speaker?
NICKY: Okay, thats what I thought. Emilio feels she does, too.
NICKY: Now, I met this little boy a while ago. His name is Alejandro. The first time I heard the name Alejandro, I connected it to my focus of the Hispanic officer. Is that correct, the name Alejandro?
NICKY: Now, my fascination with this little boy. He reminds me of Mike, and my impression doesnt go any further than my involvement with the name Alejandro and him reminding me of Mike. Those are two different things going on there, so I wasnt really sure what I was picking up. Would you be able to...
ELIAS: Offering yourself an avenue to present another aspect of information to yourself concerning another focus of yourself, and also noticing a similarity in energy expressions between this individual and Mikah.
NICKY: Okay, cool. Now, this other focus that Im giving myself information about, is it related to my Hispanic officer focus?
NICKY: Also, going there for a moment, William and I did a little bit of research. We were just kind of going by feelings and impulses and we ran across the upper western quarter, I guess I would call it, or kind of like in a triangle of Mexico. Was I involved in land activity there or some kind of decisions that were being made? It had something to do with land, I think, in that focus, the Hispanic officer focus.
ELIAS: Yes, reapportionment.
NICKY: Thats what we were looking at. Okay, cool. I have had more female focuses than male? (Pause)
NICKY: Let me see; where do I want to go? Would you give me a definition of accomplishment?
ELIAS: A definition of accomplishment, very well. Accomplishment may be viewed as allowing yourself the recognition of choice and permission to generate choice intentionally to create the outcome that you want.
NICKY: Recognizing of choices and allowing yourself permission to generate the choice intentionally...
NICKY: ...to create the outcome that you want. Okay, cool, thank you.
When we talk of value or being valuable, or what we do or who we are is valuable, what would be the definition for value? (Pause)
ELIAS: Value is a recognition of self.
(Slowly) Now; you within physical focus, prior to redefinition of terms, have viewed expressions of value to be things or expressions that incorporate certain qualities, but the qualities that you assess and attach to value are those that are quite strongly influenced by your beliefs.
Value is intrinsic. It is not acquired or generated in association with rarity or in association with what may be generated outwardly. Value is an expression of worth. It is an identification of worth.
Now; worth is an intrinsic quality of every aspect of consciousness. It is not acquired and it is not associated with the production of any expression or the manifestation of any thing.
NICKY: Cool, kind of like what I thought. Ive been doing a lot of reading lately and just letting my mind float here and there, but thats kind of like what I was picking up and really seeing how things could really get distorted when youre associating it with something different other than what it is.
NICKY: In that same line of thought, I do have another one related to that, the duplicity thing. If my memory serves me right, I think it was mentioned somewhere in time about the ten major belief systems that we have, all the aspects of them, so forth and so on. But relating to the belief systems themselves, they are based on truths, are they not?
NICKY: At all?
ELIAS: Belief systems are not based upon truth. Now; I may...
NICKY: So what was it I was reading that got things turned around? I thought there was something related to that. Theres something behind it. You know what Im saying?
NICKY: I cant quite express what I want to say.
ELIAS: Within consciousness, there are expressions of truths in which some of these expressions of truth or qualities of truth may be translated into your physical reality, and there are some beliefs that, in a manner of speaking, are distortions of those truths in translations.
NICKY: The translations of them - thats where I want to go, then. I didnt quite know how to... Well, you know me, I dont know how to quite clarify too many things. But the translation of the duplicity one, could you give me any kind of info on that one?
ELIAS: Now; let me emphasize to you, not ALL beliefs or belief systems are translations of truths.
NICKY: Would duplicity be one of those translatable ones?
NICKY: So thats something... How...? Well, I guess we did it for the experience, huh? We incorporated that line of thought? I mean, is that how it got intertwined in everything we do?
ELIAS: Partially; also, in generating separation you generate comparison, and in the expression of comparison you begin incorporating the expressions of duplicity.
NICKY: Gotcha. I was really curious about that one.
My essence name of Candace, sometimes when Im writing it out I write it with a K instead of a C. When Im doing that, is it just in that particular moment something has changed in tone?
ELIAS: Or fluctuates.
NICKY: For a period of time now, quite a few months here, this thing with disengagement, I used to associate it in one respect in one area, in one particular area. Then I started scouting out to see where else I was connecting it with and made a few connections in the past, that I wont get into cause I know what I thought. But recently I started looking at this thing that maybe... Am I relating this disengagement type of thing? I dont know too much about what transpires or how it transpires or when it transpires or whatever about the shift in aspect, when a primary aspect shifts. Is that what Im experiencing when Im ... because Im trying to pinpoint. My association with this disengagement thing has really gotten involved in the different aspects, and Im not sure why.
NICKY: Originally, when I first started experiencing it - experiencing in the sense of wondering if I was going to be doing it myself - it used to be my clue that I was connecting with someone in some way, shape, or form who might have had the same thoughts or I just had an awareness of someone disengaging.
Then Lawrence and I were connecting for a little while there and talking about the word "fragile" and that type of thing, and myself - I dont know where she was in her head - but in my head I was thinking, "Okay, well, that might be looked at as a fragile type thing because of our viewpoints of what death could be and what it involves and where we go, and were beginning to notice that," and whatever.
Then Lawrence disengaged, and so I thought maybe it was my connecting with her. After that it still continued, and I dont get any particular kinds of impressions other than I distinctly feel as though Im not going to be here or Im not going to wake up or... It gets really different. I experience different things, but my automatic association of whatever it is that Im doing is the word "disengagement."
So then I went on a hunt to see what I associate disengagement with and Ive come up with a few different things, but theres not been one thats really clicked that makes sense to me yet. I was wondering if you might be able to give me a little insight as to where else to go with that.
ELIAS: Very well. First of all, I may express to you that many individuals in like manner to yourself are engaging their attention in association with this subject matter...
NICKY: Truly! Cool! Good, Im glad Im not the only one.
ELIAS: ...and questioning this choice of death and their associations with it. Within recent time framework, you have offered yourselves tremendous objective imagery concerning this particular action. You have allowed yourselves to witness the choice of masses of individuals choosing this action of death, and as it has been objectively created in extreme, so to speak, many individuals are generating a considerable attention concerning this subject.
Now; this is not to say that you are necessarily entertaining the choice of disengaging physical focus yourself, but in this movement, as this shift accelerates in its insertion into your objective reality, as I have stated from the onset of this forum this is one of the veils of separation that you are piercing in relation to this shift in consciousness. As you have presented much objective imagery to yourselves concerning this particular action, you also generate a type of fascination with piercing this veil, and that expresses itself within you in different manners.
One manner is a questioning of whether you as an individual are considering this choice. One manner is, what shall you actually be engaging if you are generating this choice? Another question that is generated is, if you are not engaging this choice, how may you continue within your physical focus and pierce this veil and allow yourself a continued interaction with individuals that are choosing that action? Another question that arises is, if you are choosing that action, how shall you pierce the veil, in your terms in the other direction, or is that possible?
NICKY: Kind of like playing with all the different concepts related to that.
ELIAS: Yes, for you are beginning movement in the expression of piercing that veil, and therefore this generates curiosity and questioning in what is quite unfamiliar and what, until this point, has been entirely objectively unknown.
NICKY: I dont know if it fits in the same arena here, but in between those times of me playing with it myself, the issue of my asthma thing comes up and how far I have come with it - although I still entertain it. It seems my time of entertainment with it is previous to going to bed and immediately after arising from sleep, and I started associating it with that disengagement issue. Was I correct with that impression?
ELIAS: Partially, for in a manner of speaking what you entertain in association with this physical manifestation and this subject matter of disengaging is, in a manner of speaking, the option of methods.
NICKY: Really! Oh, how interesting! So thats something that I was... Within my curiosity and within my feeling as though this is something I was entertaining, I was looking to the asthma as being one of the options to do so?
ELIAS: Yes, a possibility.
NICKY: Whats the other part or other parts? Interesting, wow.
ELIAS: I may express to you that you do generate this expression within specific time frameworks...
NICKY: Yes, thats what Ive noticed. Im sorry, go ahead.
ELIAS: ...in association with your expressions of restriction of yourself. Within your time framework prior to engaging sleep, you generate this expression in restriction of yourself in association with your sleep state. This is associated with a lack of control of objective direction, and upon waking you generate a similar expression but in association with waking state, restricting of yourself temporarily in relation to certain aspects of your waking time framework that you are associating a lack of control with.
NICKY: We went over this once before, with the control thing...
NICKY: ...and Ive gotten a different viewpoint on the control thing. What caught my curiosity was that originally I was on some type of medication 24/7 for a long, long time. Now, within these past few months, thats the only time I take it, is at bedtime, and like I said, when I get up. So Ive taken note of all of those things.
Now my curiosity has gone to the point if Im looking at the constricting - control, rather - area, why is it only when I go to sleep? Because throughout the day I dont use the inhaler and I dont use the other type of medication. Throughout the day I get through it fine, but its only when I go to bed and when I wake up.
NICKY: But my curiosity is...
ELIAS: Ah! But Candace, listen to what you are expressing.
NICKY: Yeah, thats where my curiosity has been.
ELIAS: Now allow yourself to notice. Previously you incorporated this medication, so to speak, continuously and you also incorporated the constriction continuously in association with a lack of control. What is the expression of the lack of control? The lack of control is that you associate that you are subject to the medication.
NICKY: So Im still relating a control issue with the asthma thing?
ELIAS: In association with the medication, for this you view to be controlling you, and therefore you are expressing a lack of control of self. It is not controlling you, but this is your association.
NICKY: Right. I do say that is one thing that Im more than willing to admit. It is a tool that I use because, to get right down to the nitty-gritty of it, I have depended ... which therefore puts me in the position of being out of control, correct?
NICKY: I have freed myself of the medication. I gave myself a pat on the back because I do without it throughout the whole day. So to me, that was quite an accomplishment for myself because now Im looking at it. My association with it is that I am lessening that part of me that says I have no control, but Ive taken note that still when it comes to bedtime I still have that same issue. All Im doing is condensing it down into one area now?
ELIAS: In a manner of speaking. For, this is not the point, Candace. The point is to allow yourself to view choices, and in viewing choices it matters not whether you choose to be incorporating this medication or not. What holds significance in this imagery that you are presenting to yourself is your association with it, that you view it to be some expression that controls you and that you are subject to and therefore become a victim of.
In actuality, genuinely speaking, it matters not whether you incorporate the choice to engage this medication or not, but the implication that you express to yourself in relation to the medication is quite significant, for you view the medication to be bad and therefore also generate an association with yourself of not being strong enough to generate your reality without it. Therefore, you view yourself in a manner of weakness. These are VERY STRONG associations.
NICKY: That makes sense; I feel that. Now that youre speaking it, yeah, thats it. Thats it in a nutshell.
ELIAS: Therefore, allowing yourself to examine your associations with certain beliefs concerning how you generate your reality, and what you view to be strong and what you view to be weak, and what you view to be controlling of you and therefore creating a lack of control with yourself - expressions that you view to be outside of yourself and dictating your reality to you and therefore denying your choices - THESE are significant expressions to allow yourself to examine, not whether you incorporate a substance of medication or not.
NICKY: So Ive segregated this particular incident to really look at this victim/perpetrator thing, huh?
ELIAS: Correct. To allow yourself the opportunity to examine your beliefs and your associations with your beliefs more clearly and in a more defined manner, in a manner of speaking. For previously, your objective understanding of what we discussed in relation to control and a lack of control was associated within yourself in quite a general manner, and therefore you did not offer yourself a clear understanding of what we were discussing.
Therefore, you incorporate a choice to limit your physical manifestation of this constriction of breathing to allow yourself clearer associations with what you are actually creating, what you are actually generating, and the beliefs that are influencing of those creations.
NICKY: I guess I could really take that and scoot it to my arena of my leaving here, my moving to another location. I could look from that same point of view, overview, at everything else that Im getting ready to do right now.
ELIAS: Yes, and allow yourself to pay attention to your communications to yourself and LISTEN to your communications, pay attention to what you are actually creating, what you are actually choosing and DOING, and therefore offer yourself a clearer recognition of what you want.
NICKY: Looking for that clarity - because that is something thats been really more pronounced also for myself - but looking for the clarity, is that what has been influencing my hesitation in staying or not staying in this spot and the different ways that could transpire, and moving to another location? Its because Im looking for more clarity...
NICKY: ...in what I am creating?
NICKY: Cool. That makes sense too, because I really feel like... The last time I talked to you, I wanted to pull the hair out of my head. (Elias chuckles) So now its been for myself a dramatic difference in what Im seeing, what Im hearing, what Im viewing. Now my curiosity just piqued to have it more well defined.
ELIAS: Yes, and I may express to you, Candace, in actuality I am recognizing that you are viewing your movement as hesitant, and this is the manner in which you are defining what you are generating. But in actuality, you are offering yourself a time framework in which you are not so quickly generating action but rather allowing yourself to pay attention to your communications and attempting to be listening to yourself, and in that allowing yourself to express clarity in what you want prior to acting.
NICKY: Cool. Yes, because thats a whole new thing for me!
ELIAS: I am quite understanding! Ha ha ha ha!
NICKY: This I know! (Laughs) So its really been interesting for me, but I do get quirky, I do stop, I question myself, and this and that. But I do have a comfort zone where its been like this is okay that I seem to be where I would be calling it not necessarily dragging it out, but hesitating. I want to have it more clarified, because if I dont have it clarified for myself, I will always be chasing my tail, right?
ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, and what have you expressed with myself many times? You wish to be generating a recognition and an awareness of your choices and what you are creating in the moment and not in what you view as hindsight.
NICKY: Right, and its been kind of fun. I mean, I came out of this drag. I dont know. I cant express what it was that I was feeling, but like just an overwhelming slowdown - overwhelming slowdown - and it caught my attention. Thats when I started associating it with hesitating. Im aware that Im hesitating. How do you get from one stepping stone to the next, and does it matter which stone you go to and...?
Oh, and I have another question for you also regarding that. Oh god, it just went out of my head. It had to do with choice - no, movement, being aware of the movement thing and not having to physically move. That issue has come up a couple times. William and I were talking about it, of not having to physically move. Its the choice to be moving if you so desire to, correct?
NICKY: Being aware of it is simply being aware of your own movement. It does not necessarily mean that you dont have movement just because you dont physically move.
NICKY: Thats what I tried to explain to a couple different people that I was talking with.
ELIAS: The choice matters not in the physical manifestation. Knowing that you incorporate choice is significant.
NICKY: Can I give you just a short scenario, and then I would really appreciate your input.
ELIAS: Very well.
NICKY: I was curious, because it seemed to be my own movement - I dont mean for my movement to be backward, but my objective imagery seems to be... The information I seem to be getting from it or that I associate with it, lets put it that way, if I stay in one spot Im always saying to myself Im not producing anything although Im still here, and the stress and the so forth and the so on, and all those other issues that I was looking at before. When Im looking for the couple other choices that I entertain, it appears as though I am REALLY slowing down my movement if I am to utilize the association of, lets say, walking compared to driving a car, or living with someone compared to living by yourself. I get stuck in my association and Im not allowing myself to see other associations. So what is going on in that scenario? (Pause)
ELIAS: Define your expression of being stuck in certain associations.
NICKY: Let me give you an example. I do not have a car right now. Sometimes I have the use of a car, sometimes not. Sometimes I drive with someone, sometimes I take a bus, sometimes I walk. What I draw to me for information has been really very interesting for me to view for myself because it would be something that Im not necessarily thinking of.
One opinion was Im stopping my movement. Its like, no, Im not stopping my movement, Im just incorporating it in a different way. Were all still moving, were still going, theres no stopping us, but the input that Ive been getting... See, I think whether youre walking, driving, flying a plane or whatever, depending where youre going, depending what youre doing, I feel that the walking thing has allowed me to really define the things that are around me. The things that I draw, the things that I think of all say something to me. Whereas if I was driving a car or taking a train or taking a bus or whatever, I dont allow myself to see those things. But when I give myself this other input via other people, then I say, "Am I so stuck in associating it in just one way that Im not allowing myself to see other associations for myself?"
ELIAS: No. What you are presenting to yourself is an allowance of yourself to view what you create in different manners and allowing yourself more of an awareness of diversity of experiences, but you are also presenting to yourself expressions of other individuals in which you may examine your associations with better or worse and how you associate with better and worse in relation to the expressions of other individuals.
NICKY: Oh, so the information that Im giving myself via these different expressions are for me to look at my better/worse thing.
ELIAS: Correct, and allow yourself to pay attention to YOUR choices regardless of the expressions of other individuals, not allowing the expressions of other individuals to dictate to you the better and worse comparisons and therefore also allowing yourself to examine your individual associations with better and worse.
NICKY: Thats a double-sided piece there.
NICKY: So look at the comparison thing, which I wasnt. My response usually, my only response is like, I dont have a problem with it. Why should you, you know? But I cant say that Ive gone to examining my own thinking of it as better or worse. Thats very right on. And thats the nut of that one, isnt it! (Elias and Nicky chuckle)
How many focuses have William and I shared?
NICKY: Seven, cool. Have any of them been mother and daughter?
NICKY: I think weve got about ten or fifteen minutes left here and I wanted to leave this open, not with any particular question in mind, but whatever I didnt get to cover or didnt think of or whatever. What is your input in regard to my movement, in helpfulness?
ELIAS: I may express to you an acknowledgment in relation to your movement, and I may also express to you to allow yourself not to be generating judgment concerning yourself in what you assess to be slowing your expressions or your movements, for in actuality this is quite beneficial in this time framework and allows you more of an expression of clarity, and it also allows you to not be overwhelming yourself.
LISTEN genuinely to you and to what YOU are communicating to yourself. Do not automatically express within yourself a receiving of expressions and energy from other individuals in an absoluteness.
NICKY: Could you clarify that?
ELIAS: At times you engage interaction with other individuals and you accept the other individuals expression as greater than your own.
NICKY: So I still do that, huh?
ELIAS: At times, and as more knowing than your own and therefore it becomes an absolute.
NICKY: Within that, when youre viewing or when youre communicating with someone and youre earnestly looking at this person being you and looking to the issues or looking to the information and whatever or wherever it is that youre going at the time, is that where I get tangled up with the allowance of... I look to see that its my information, but in actuality I still at times go to that its their information and it has more validity to it.
NICKY: I think I see where I go in that one.
ELIAS: At times you allow yourself to be trusting of your expression. But dependent upon the presentment of the other individual in relation to yourself, you also generate time frameworks in which you do continue to express this type of action in association with other individuals, associating that they incorporate more knowing than do you.
Now; let me express to you a clue in how you may allow yourself to identify more clearly moments in which you generate that type of expression. In interaction with certain individuals, if you view another individual to be challenging you or if you view another individual to be expressing in any manner in which you associate aggression, you allow yourself to pay attention to you. But within moments in which you draw to yourself expressions of other individuals that are presented more gently, you project your attention to the other individual.
NICKY: Thank you so much! That one just came across black and white! Cool.
ELIAS: You generate this type of expression quite consistently.
NICKY: All of a sudden, I can see that! I just pictured four or five incidences right now!
NICKY: Oh my god! So cool! So in the recognition of that, I just bring the attention back to myself and go where I was going in my head or with my mouth or whatever.
NICKY: Thank you.
ELIAS: You are quite welcome.
NICKY: Thank you, thank you. Now, in view of what I asked you as far as your input, Ive had this thing lately, when talking with Mikah or John or Othello or Mylo or even William, about the incorporation of spontaneity in the midst of seriousness - jokes, Ive been viewing it as jokes and sarcasm - in the midst of somebody being serious. I think what Ive been telling myself is Ive not been as spontaneous as I used to be or sometimes can be.
ELIAS: Correct, for you are projecting your attention to the other individual and concerning yourself with the responses of the other individual.
NICKY: And thats related to that clue you just gave me, right?
NICKY: Is there anything else?
ELIAS: Are you incorporating any other questioning?
NICKY: No, I think Ive covered it. Ill probably think of five million things once we get off.
ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! As always!
NICKY: As always! (Nicky and Elias laugh) So, yes, I think this is the end of this type of communicating.
ELIAS: Very well. Be remembering, Candace, be playful. All within your reality is not so very serious. Be listening, but be playful. (Chuckles)
NICKY: Thank you so much!
ELIAS: And I shall be offering my energy expression to you. Let me also, prior to our disengagement of conversation this day, offer to you an acknowledgment, for I incorporate an awareness in this now that you are allowing yourself much more of an ease and much less tension within your energy expression than you have in an extended time framework.
NICKY: I feel it; Im aware of it myself.
ELIAS: I may express to you within our previous few interactions...
NICKY: Actually the last one! (Laughs)
ELIAS: ...you have generated a tremendous tension within your energy expression, and in that have also generated much confusion and even some expression of conflict. I am greatly acknowledging of you that you have allowed yourself an accomplishment - ha ha ha! (Nicky laughs) - in allowing yourself to generate much more of an ease within your energy expression and much more of a relaxation.
NICKY: Cool. Thank you for that.
ELIAS: You are quite welcome. Well done, my friend! Ha ha ha!
NICKY: I get a star on my forehead?
ELIAS: Ah! Very well! (Nicky laughs) Be careful what you wish for!
NICKY: I know, as soon as that came out of my mouth! (Elias laughs) Thats so cool. I guess its really time for us to go.
ELIAS: Ha ha! Very well, my friend. As always, I offer tremendous affection to you, and I shall continue to be playful with you also. In great lovingness to you, my dear friend, au revoir.
NICKY: Au revoir.
Elias departs at 4:32 PM.
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