Tuesday, February 26, 2002 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Laura (Belagia)
Elias arrives at 1:28 PM. (Arrival time is 29 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good day!

LAURA: Good day!

ELIAS: (Chuckles) Welcome!

LAURA: Thank you. I'm so looking forward to this today. (Elias chuckles) I'm very happy I'm able to do this with you, meet with you this way.

ELIAS: And how shall we proceed?

LAURA: Well, I think everybody who speaks to you the first time asks the same questions, so I'll go ahead and ask you myself. I'd like my essence name.

ELIAS: Very well; Belagia (bell uh GHEE uh).

LAURA: And how is that spelled?

ELIAS: B-E-L-A-G-I-A.

LAURA: Belagia.

ELIAS: Correct.

LAURA: And essence family, could I guess that myself?

ELIAS: Offer your impression, yes.

LAURA: Sumari?

ELIAS: Continue.

LAURA: You mean also with the alignment? Is that what you're asking?

ELIAS: Yes.

LAURA: Possibly Sumafi.

ELIAS: Reverse.

LAURA: Sumafi with Sumari alignment?

ELIAS: Yes. (Chuckles)

LAURA: How come we get those reversed? What's that about? I notice that with a lot of other transcripts. People get those reversed.

ELIAS: Quite, and the reason is that your automatic association is to be assessing that the family that you are belonging to shall be the most obviously expressed family, and in actuality it is the reverse. The family that you align with in a particular focus is the most obviously expressed qualities. That is not expressed more than the family that you are belonging to in qualities, but they are more overtly expressed and more obvious.

LAURA: Yes, I can see that. I went back and forth trying to assess for myself which family and it felt equal in a certain way. But then I thought because of my interests, my basic interests and intents, I must be Sumari; but I assessed it incorrectly.

ELIAS: Not necessarily. You merely have misinterpreted the difference of the belonging to and the aligning with - but you have correctly identified both families.

LAURA: Yes. (Elias laughs) I spent many years trying to get to know myself.

I'd also like to ask about my immediate family, and I'm drawn especially to ask about my son, Zane. I have some questions about him.

ELIAS: Very well.

LAURA: So, I guess, his family and alignment?

ELIAS: And your impression?

LAURA: I don't know the families all that well. I would say I know about Sumari and Sumafi the most. It's hard for me to say; I think there's Sumari in there somewhere with him. He's only seven. It's hard for me to see what his intents are in the big picture, I guess.

ELIAS: Very well. I shall offer to you, you are correct, essence family Sumari, alignment in this focus Ilda.

LAURA: You know, I should have said... I had an intuition about that yesterday, but it wasn't a strong enough impression that it jumped out at me and that I would remember it this morning, I guess. But when you said that, I said, "Oh, for some reason I came across that thought yesterday." But I didn't hang on to it. (Elias laughs)

I think I'll just jump in with some questions right now. We're talking about Zane. He's only seven, but he's had quite an intense life in this focus so far. And I'm wondering, the question that comes up is who is he? What's going on with his energy that he has so many intense medical issues? He also has this magnetism for people that even when he was a little baby - he was in the hospital; he had several open-heart surgeries and very, very complicated surgeries - and even the people in the hospital, the nurses and doctors, they would carry him around because they wanted to be with him. After he healed and I had him at home I would take him to the grocery store and everywhere we went people would say, would stop me in the store, stop me walking down the street, "That is the most beautiful baby I have ever seen." People would tell me, "I have my own grandchildren and I love them, but they're nothing compared to this baby." I mean, funny things like that. I have another child, Cyan, my daughter, who's two years younger and she's just every bit as beautiful, but I never got any of that kind of reaction with her from other people. I'm sure with her it was a little more normal. With Zane it's always been so intense, people's responses to him. (Elias chuckles)

ELIAS: But this is an aspect of this individual's intent in this focus, to be offering an example, in a manner of speaking, in relation to beliefs associated with suffering, for this individual generates certain types of manifestations that spark automatic responses and associations with individuals concerning suffering and challenge. But the presentment of the individual's energy is expressed quite differently, in an example of creating one's reality incorporating a perception that generates an energy outwardly which is accepting and non-suffering. This is recognized by other individuals regardless of whether they objectively incorporate an awareness of the physical expressions that the individual has created or not. The energy which is expressed is obvious and is automatically recognized.

As I have expressed previously, energy is recognized and received and translated immediately and much more efficiently than language communication. You all recognize and understand expressions of energy, and your allowance of yourselves to receive and interpret and translate energy from each other is not merely immediate but also accurate, much more so than other forms of communications.

LAURA: Let me just see if I can summarize what you said. His intent, one aspect of his intent in this focus, is to show people through his example of his energy that suffering... I guess I'm not quite sure what...

ELIAS: Suffering is not an automatic response or an expression of cause and effect. It is a choice, and this example expresses quite clearly that individuals do incorporate the choice of perceptions and that their perception shall actually create their physical reality. Therefore, in relation to suffering, it is not an automatic effect caused by certain manifestations. The energy that this individual projects in this aspect of his intent is an example of that recognition of choice.

LAURA: I can see that. People still, who don't even know him but hear about him, care about him and want to know how he's doing. People who hear about him and then actually meet him and see him, they can't believe that that's that child. They have an impression that a child who's been through the sort of medical difficulties he's been through should look a certain way or act a certain way, and he's the opposite of those things. He's very strong and big and robust and joyful and active and the opposite of what people think he would look like after going through all those things.

ELIAS: Correct.

LAURA: He also sparks a lot of strong... I think he challenges people's belief systems in many ways. Is that one of his intents...

ELIAS: Yes.

LAURA: ...to challenge our belief systems?

ELIAS: This IS...

LAURA: He challenges mine on a daily basis, and I get frustrated and I absolutely love him for it, because one of my favorite activities in life for the last 20 years has been to challenge my belief systems. But I notice this a lot at school, because he just doesn't really want to fit in there. It's not an interest of his. I mean, he's very friendly and everybody likes him, but he doesn't like to go along with the program necessarily. That's one of his things, is to challenge us.

ELIAS: Yes.

LAURA: All right, that makes sense. Before my son Zane was born, I met a man named Lee through a mutual friend. We were wondering if he and Zane were related focuses?

ELIAS: No, but I may express to you that both individuals do incorporate quite a similarity of energy tone.

LAURA: I have some other questions about energy and energy experiences I've had.

ELIAS: Very well.

LAURA: One that I noticed is when I see and recognize a belief, I have this very warm sensation in my ears, it feels like. I was wondering if you could give me some information on that. I've always been wondering what that was. I take it as a sign, a sign that "oh yes, that's it; that's the belief, you've seen it clearly." Or is there something more than that?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct, for this is the manner in which you have chosen to be validating yourself.

You incorporate many, many avenues of communication to yourself that are offered by the subjective awareness to the objective awareness, and you incorporate different methods in which you shall allow yourself to move your attention to receive the message. In this situation, in like manner to many other individuals, you incorporate a physical affectingness to move your attention and therefore receive a message of validation to yourself.

Many individuals incorporate physical actions or physical manifestations as a type of method to move their attention and allow them to view different communications that they offer to themselves. This is quite an efficient method that you have created to be validating of yourself, one that you trust.

LAURA: The other one would be a strong... I guess I enjoy incorporating a lot of different physical sensations to give me different information. Is that correct?

ELIAS: Yes.

LAURA: Different energy centers open at various times, depending on what I'm learning at that time?

ELIAS: Yes.

LAURA: All right, so I don't need to go into each specific one. (Laughs) Maybe I do, but not right now. (Elias laughs)

Another question I had - I might be jumping around, but that's okay -is I work with autistic children. Not all the children I work with are autistic, but I work with several autistic children. I read on the website, on one of the websites, some information that you gave someone else about autism. It's a feeling I've had myself in working with them and had the same ideas that you expressed that I read on the website recently, that their intent here in this focus is to have maybe a minimal amount of energy in this focus or to, how do you say, to greatly focus on what we would see as very small aspects of this focus, very narrow aspects of this focus, to really focus on those aspects rather than to have a broader, what we would see as a broader experience.

ELIAS: Correct.

LAURA: My question is, as I'm a speech pathologist and since reading the Seth Material so many years ago, I've always questioned if the kids I'm working with are creating their own reality, what's my role there as the speech therapist? Especially with autistic children, I sometimes feel invasive to their experience and that's not my general intent in doing my job, to be invasive with another person, and so I wanted your input on that, I guess. Am I being helpful in working with autistic children, or that's something I should change or look at?

ELIAS: Let me express to you, my friend, there are no accidents, and in this, you draw to yourself certain individuals and individuals draw you to themselves. Therefore, you are not expressing intrusiveness to these individuals. For although they are creating every aspect of their reality, they are also choosing to be interactive with you.

Now; in this, as they create their reality in every aspect, their interaction with you is with your energy. This is what is directly interacted with, and their configuration of that energy through their individual perceptions shall be what they choose it to be. You interact directly with their expressions of energy also, and you configure, through your perception, your manifestation of these individuals and the affectingness that is expressed in your interaction.

Therefore, if you are inquiring "are you incorporating helpfulness?" this is associated with your beliefs. "Are you interactive?" Yes. "Is that interaction welcomed?" Yes. "Is that interaction helpful, per se?" Not necessarily, for it is unnecessary to be helpful. But...

LAURA: (Laughs) This is one of those experiences that I love, where this big aspect of what I think is my intent, to be helpful, and I just love it when those ideas get turned over, turned on their ear, as we say. (Elias laughs) This is a delightful experience!

ELIAS: You are fellow travelers, my friend, and [are] choosing to be interactive with each other and sharing experiences together in your individual explorations. In this, you allow yourselves to incorporate preferences in your choices. In this particular avenue of your movement, you ARE incorporating preferences in your choice of travelers that you interact with.

LAURA: I guess I'm thinking of one boy in particular who I'm currently working with who spends a lot of time pushing me away. Actually, that's lessened in recent weeks. But I always question if he doesn't want this, what are we doing here together, you know?

ELIAS: But I shall express to you quite genuinely, my friend, if the individual genuinely does not incorporate a want for interaction, it shall not occur.

LAURA: It's so obvious when you say it, but so hard for me to - not so hard, I'm not going to say that - not so hard for me to get it. Once you say it, I get it. (Elias laughs)

Now I'd like to ask some more sort of essence questions, which would be, I skipped personality type and orientation. I'd like to give you my impressions.

ELIAS: Very well.

LAURA: Personality would be emotional?

ELIAS: Correct, yes.

LAURA: For myself?

ELIAS: You are correct.

LAURA: That's pretty obvious. (Laughs with Elias) Now that was not hard to come around to. Orientation, this one I'm not quite sure. Common?

ELIAS: Yes.

LAURA: How many focuses do I have on Earth?

ELIAS: And your impression?

LAURA: Oh! The number 500 came up. Five hundred and something came up.

ELIAS: Ah, I am greatly acknowledging of your trust in your impressions and your allowance of your impressions: 512.

LAURA: I was thinking 531, but I was not that far off. (Elias chuckles) When you were saying you acknowledge my impression, 531 came. So that's interesting.

Now I would like to give you some impressions of some of the focuses I've feel I've contacted, and receive acknowledgment or not on those.

ELIAS: Very well.

LAURA: A few days ago I had a dream about adopting a boy from Colombia and wondering how we're going to set this boy into our lives. Then it occurred to me this morning, what I was doing was trying to see how I would relate to that other focus of mine in this life. Is that what that dream was about?

ELIAS: Correct.

LAURA: Is that correct?

ELIAS: Yes.

LAURA: I got the impression that he was about seven.

ELIAS: Yes.

LAURA: And is he living currently in my timeframe, my current timeframe?

ELIAS: No, prior to. Actually, immediately prior to your time framework.

LAURA: I would like to see myself how much more I can relate to him in dreams or otherwise. Another one would be Inca Indian in Peru, in the time of the Incas.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

LAURA: When I was a child in this focus, 11 years of age, I did a report in school in sixth grade on the Inca Indians and I was just completely immersed in that report and in the information. I've always wondered about that. It's always been interesting to me how much I loved the Inca Indians, and as I learned about other focuses through the Seth Material I always thought that must be one.

Another would be a woman in I believe the United States at the turn of the century, at the turn of what we would think of as the Victorian era, the turn of this century, living within New England?

ELIAS: Correct.

LAURA: I'm pretty good, huh? (Laughing)

ELIAS: Quite!

LAURA: It's funny, I've never gotten acknowledgment except from myself about these and this is delightful. I'm really enjoying this. (Elias laughs)

I'm not sure if I trust myself on this. But now that I'm on a roll, so I'm going to just go for it, keep going. A Japanese woman, I think, Japanese fisherwoman, very poor, I can see her standing on craggy rocks and everything seems gray. I believe she was murdered, hit over the head with a rock on the left side. I think maybe the 17th century - 16th, 17th century, something like that.

ELIAS: Early 17th century, you are correct.

LAURA: Was she murdered in the way that I have the impression?

ELIAS: Yes.

LAURA: I get migraines just right there in that place. One time a few years ago I decided to just really go into the migraine, and I had this whole vision of the whole thing happening. She was a young woman, early twenties.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

LAURA: I'm wondering, with the migraines, I'm obviously hanging on in this life to that experience in some way. Is that correct?

ELIAS: This is a type of misinterpretation, for this is an association with linear time, and I may express to you it is not a question of continued association with that particular experience. But individuals allow bleed-throughs of other focuses and do not necessarily reconfigure the energy if there is an aspect of the present focus that associates with similar experiences or similar beliefs. This is the reason that individuals allow these types of bleed-throughs of experiences from other focuses. They are directly associated with some aspect of movement or issues or beliefs that are strongly influencing in THIS focus. Are you understanding?

LAURA: Yes, I am. So would our common beliefs be about victimization?

ELIAS: Yes, but in different expressions. This in actuality is quite an efficient example of the translations that occur between focuses. For one may incorporate the experience in this type of physical action, of becoming a victim of another individual in an act of violence as you view it, and another may allow the bleed-through of that expression, that experience, to allow the recognition of what it is generating in relation to the same belief but in a different expression - this being you expressing the same belief and the same fear and protection but in quite different manners. For your association with victim is not necessarily an association with physical harm, but rather that you at times associate yourself in the role of victim in relation to yourself and your beliefs.

LAURA: Oh, okay! I see myself as being a victim of my own beliefs?

ELIAS: Yes, that they, as almost entities in themselves, are inflicting harmfulness upon you. Therefore, you become victim to you.

LAURA: Very interesting! Let's see if I can come up with another focus, but if I can't we'll move on to something else. A French woman, 19th century, prostitute was her profession, with red hair?

ELIAS: Yes.

LAURA: Loved her job? (Elias laughs loudly) It's funny, I have a sense that the woman in New England, the Victorian woman in New England, and the French prostitute were counterparts of each other.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct. (Laura laughs) Ha ha ha!

LAURA: I have a belief in this lifetime of guilt over having too much stuff when other people don't have enough, and I would like some clarity on that belief.

ELIAS: Ah, you may spin quite a web in this expression! Guilt is a feeling. It is the signal, and this is associated with communications that you are offering yourself concerning judgment upon self and devaluing yourself.

Now; in association with creating or generating abundance within your focus, as you allow yourself to genuinely examine choices and genuinely examine your association with this concept of creating your reality, you may discover that partially you have incorporated this idea, so to speak, of creating all of your reality as a reality, but partially it remains a concept, and as it remains partially a concept, there is an automatic association that it is applicable to other individuals - other individuals partially create their reality but not entirely, and therefore the lack of abundance is not a choice, which is also associated with your addressing to beliefs concerning victims and your association with being a victim of beliefs. For this is another expression of not entirely creating your reality, but that beliefs may create some of your reality, and this also is viewed as not a choice.

LAURA: So I believe that beliefs may create some of my reality and that I'm a victim of those beliefs, and therefore so are others?

ELIAS: Correct, and in this I may express to you, you view other individuals as victims in certain situations. Individuals that incorporate a lack of abundance are viewed as victims, also.

I may express to you, the expression of victim is generated in moments in which the individual does not view that they incorporate choice. They are choiceless in the moment, or they perceive themselves to be, and therefore some other aspect of your reality is creating your reality for you, which I may express to you, my friend, is a quite commonly expressed belief.

This concept of actually creating every aspect of your reality, every moment of your reality, has been expressed quite often and for an extended time framework, but it continues to be a concept and is merely partially being assimilated as an actual reality.

In this shift, you continue to be experimenting with this particular concept, for it is quite unfamiliar. You have expressed an allowance of automatic responses to beliefs throughout your history. This is an entirely different type of expression of reality that you are generating now in this shift in consciousness. As you are now inserting this shift in consciousness into your objective physical reality, you now are actively experimenting with this concept, in a manner of speaking, testing its actual workings, so to speak, and how this may be possible.

This is a tremendous movement into self, a tremendous movement into trust and acceptance and therefore a tremendous movement into an expression of great liberation, for it is an allowance of your genuine abilities, which are tremendous.

LAURA: Yes, I see that. My husband and I have had some experiences of playing with creating our reality and we've had some tremendous amazing things happen for us. Then we retreat from it again, I think. Is that trepidation about our own power, is that what that would be? We get evidence, clear physical evidence, which is so meaningful to us in these focuses. We get this physical evidence of our own power and then we retreat from it. Is that a fear of the magnitude of that power?

ELIAS: Partially, and also partially, as it is so very unfamiliar to you, for a temporary time framework you shall continue to be expressing repeatedly offering yourself evidence of this ability to genuinely generate your reality. For you continue to question, even in offering yourself evidence, for your automatic...

LAURA: What you're saying, though, is that that's the whole point of this shift, that we're all doing that.

ELIAS: Correct.

LAURA: Okay, that makes sense to me. Did I cut you off? Did you have something else more to say there?

ELIAS: Although you may offer yourself quite obvious physical evidence of your ability, within the next moment within your linear time framework you question once again. You may express to yourself, "Ah, I genuinely do incorporate the ability to generate this aspect of my reality, but another may be questionable." Ha ha ha ha!

LAURA: That's right! (Laughing)

ELIAS: This is the action, as I have stated, in a manner of speaking of testing your abilities and continuing to validate to yourselves in the movement of this shift that you actually do incorporate much more abilities than you have allowed yourselves to view previously.

I shall acknowledge to you also, there is an aspect of apprehension which is expressed by all individuals in association with this shift in consciousness, for the volume of power that you incorporate is also unfamiliar, and the recognition of your individual responsibility concerning this volume of power that you incorporate generates apprehensiveness and at times even fear. This is temporary - you shall become accustomed to yourselves. Ha ha!

LAURA: Well, I've noticed as beliefs through the years have fallen away that it becomes natural to live without that belief, and then I'm reminded "I once had that belief, where I once thought that way," and the way I've previously thought seems so foreign. I remember feeling that way. So I can see with this issue of abundance and power that same phenomenon will occur, where we'll be in that and it will be so natural to accept our power and play with it. Then we'll look back: "Oh, remember when I felt I was responsible for other people's happiness, or remember when I felt guilty about having abundance?" And it will be foreign.

ELIAS: Quite! Although let me also remind you that these beliefs have not fallen away. They have not disappeared. You continue to incorporate these beliefs. You merely allow yourself choice in relation to them and therefore are not subject to them.

LAURA: I see that. Okay.

Well, we have six minutes left. Is there anything else that you would like to communicate to me, that you feel that I would benefit from knowing at this time?

ELIAS: I may be acknowledging of you, my friend, for you are allowing yourself to be incorporating movement and not generating trauma in association with your movement in this shift in consciousness. I am greatly encouraging of this type of expression. Continuing to acknowledge yourself and allowing yourself to be playful is tremendously influencing of this type of action.

I may also express to you, your choice to be interactive with these individuals that you identify as your children is quite beneficial, for this offers a balance - two very different expressions of directing of self and both generate that quite efficiently. You provide yourself with a balance of examples which you may view and allow yourself an appreciation of, and of yourself in allowing yourself this interaction.

LAURA: Well, it's so funny you talk about my children. It makes me smile. I enjoy their energy very much, most of the time. (Laughs, and Elias laughs)

ELIAS: Be remembering, figuratively speaking they are children of this shift. Therefore they already incorporate a knowing and are already implementing many of the expressions of this shift in consciousness. Allow yourself to incorporate genuine patience, which is not waiting but allowance, for they are quite efficiently directing of themselves.

LAURA: Right. That's been something I've been... Those beliefs that I've been noticing about my role in directing them and seeing over and over, and them telling me over and over, "I know this myself. I can do this myself," I don't even think it's patience, it's accepting of that in myself...

ELIAS: Yes.

LAURA: ...that they know.

ELIAS: Yes. The genuine expression of patience, as I have stated, is allowance, and the allowance is generated with acceptance.

LAURA: Well, thank you, Elias.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

LAURA: I appreciate your time that you've given up, although you don't experience it that way. (Laughs)

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! I offer to you much encouragement, my friend, and I extend my invitation that you may be interactive with myself futurely in conversation, if you are so choosing; regardless, I offer my energy to you freely.

LAURA: Thank you. I believe I will be speaking with you again.

ELIAS: In tremendous affection to you, au revoir.

LAURA: Goodbye.

Elias departs at 2:26 PM.

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