Tuesday, February 12, 2002 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Frank (Ulra)
Elias arrives at 11:08 AM. (Arrival time is 22 seconds.)
ELIAS: Good morning!
FRANK: Good morning! How are you today?
ELIAS: As always, and yourself?
FRANK: Oh, doing great, doing great. Things are moving very fast around here.
ELIAS: Ha ha ha! As are they, in general. Ha ha!
FRANK: That's a good point. I'm sitting here thinking it's just me, but it's probably everyone.
ELIAS: Quite!
FRANK: Well, let's sort of open with that. Since you and I last spoke, it just seems, I guess, really the only way to describe things is that everything is moving very fast, particularly with regard to my business affairs. In particular I've just been inundated with work. I mean, it's coming at me faster than ever before in my life, and I'm sort of wondering how and why I've created that.
ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! As evidence and validation to yourself, my friend, of your abilities and your movement in actual trust.
FRANK: Well then, let me ask you a corollary which is the key to me, which is, what has happened is the amount of work that I'm doing is going up dramatically and the future potential in terms of financial reward is there. I can see down the road a lot of money is going to be coming in as a result of all of this. But right now it's not there and that's something that I'm not exactly completely pleased with. So why the reason for the delay between the work and the financial reward?
ELIAS: I may express to you, my friend, that in your movement this is not in actuality unusual, for you generate certain expressions of trust and manifestations in increments, and as you are aware, this has been a familiar method that you have incorporated individually for an extended time framework.
In this, you are expressing more of a trust in your ability to generate what you want in relation to your business, but you also are continuing to explore, and in a manner of speaking test the waters in relation to this expression of trust. Therefore there is a time framework in which you have created this gap, so to speak. But as you continue in your individual movement, you may also be generating less and less of that type of expression as you recognize that it is unnecessary to be generating this type of expression, for it is unnecessary for you to prove yourself in your abilities to yourself prior to what you view as reaping the rewards.
FRANK: Okay, that makes a lot of sense.
Then, as we've discussed before, I actually have two business activities I'm engaged in. The one that we've just been discussing, it's been going great, as I've said. The other one is I guess I would describe it as stagnant, and it's stagnant in the sense that I've sort of done everything I can do and now it's up to another individual. I realize at least intellectually that I create everything, but based on this physical world it's sort of up to another individual at this point. Everything's been stagnant there, and so I would like to hear your analysis of what's going on there.
ELIAS: You have created a challenge, and in this it may be viewed as another example of what may be termed as a proving ground in your challenge of yourself to be inventive, so to speak, and to be generating your creativity and experimenting with how you create your reality and how much of your reality you create.
FRANK: In other words, are you saying that I'm sitting here and saying, "Well, it's up to this other person. I have no control,"...
ELIAS: Correct.
FRANK: ...and what I really need to do is realize that I do have control and take control and make events happen?
ELIAS: And allow yourself to be creating rather than generating your choices dependent upon other individuals' actions and choices. This, as I have stated, in a manner of speaking is your proving ground to yourself to view how much of your reality you actually create.
FRANK: Right. And the fact is that I create it all, but although I sit here and tell you that, intellectually deep down it's still not totally with me.
ELIAS: Correct.
FRANK: Okay. A common problem, I'm sure.
ELIAS: Quite! This is quite unfamiliar and is not an association that you automatically generate in relation to strongly expressed mass beliefs and what is familiar within your physical reality.
FRANK: Well, again, I know from your perspective it's different, but from my perspective here I'd like to move through this as quickly as possible. I would like to move through this as quickly as possible, so other than sort of doing what I'm doing, trying to learn to trust myself and all that, is there any advice you would have for me?
ELIAS: Once again, pay attention to what you are expressing, to what you are actually doing or not doing, as the situation may be.
In this, allow yourself to be paying attention to self and recognize the moments in which you are allowing other individuals to dictate to you what your choices shall be and the moments in which you are denying your choices and your expression of creativity. For, what you are engaging is waiting.
FRANK: Right, right, exactly. Actually, that's a good point.
Now, let me ask you about something else. Last week my partner in the other business, the one that's going very well, happened to be in town, and we went for various meetings and things. We had some conversations about things which, at the time, I don't know if "upset" is the right word, but sort of distressed me about his view about where we were and how the relationship should be versus mine.
I think for a moment there I started to have what you would term as an automatic reaction, which gave me sort of a negative mind-set on what was going on for I would say a fairly short period of time. Then I thought about it and I realized, and I said, "Hey, wait a minute. Here's what I'm going to create with this." So I sort of changed my attitude, at least I think I did, and it seems now like things are back on the right track from my perspective. Can you shed any light on that? I mean, is that what happened?
ELIAS: Yes, and this quite simply is another example that you offer to yourself in demonstrating your ability to move your attention and to alter your perception, and you may generate this action, my friend, quite quickly and quite easily.
The key, as you are aware, is to be noticing what you are actually generating in the moment and knowing that you incorporate choice, and that although you may be generating a particular expression in one moment, you also incorporate the ability to alter that within another moment.
FRANK: And that's pretty much what happened with me, isn't it?
ELIAS: Yes.
FRANK: Well, good. Hey, that's progress! (Elias laughs) We've only been working on this for two years and look where I've come! (Elias laughs) Actually, I kind of felt good about that afterwards that I did recognize what happened, maybe not instantaneously but pretty quickly, and turned it around, so to speak.
ELIAS: Quite, and you may incorporate this action as an example to yourself that you may generate similar types of movements and choices in relation to ANY expression that you are viewing or that you are incorporating in your actions and in relation to what you want.
FRANK: I'm still not sure how all that works, but slowly but surely it's becoming more clear to me.
Okay, next. Actually, I would like to ask you about something Moorah discussed with you the last time you talked. I wanted to listen to the transcript but we haven't received it yet, so I thought I would ask you about it directly.
This happened several months ago, where she was passing something to me at the dinner table and I dropped it and we broke a plate. She had told me that you had said that my reason for creating that had something to do with the fact that I think that when things are broken they can't be fixed or something along those lines. Again, I haven't been able to listen to that section of the transcript, so I was wondering if you could explain that to me, exactly what was going on there and what that meant.
ELIAS: In actuality, I was not expressing that once a thing, so to speak, is broken that it may not be fixed, but rather addressing to the concept of a thing being broken and perhaps needing to be fixed.
FRANK: Can you elaborate on that? In other words, you're saying that I have a belief that things that are broken cannot be fixed?
ELIAS: Not that they cannot be fixed, but that they are incorporating the ability to be broken; therefore if some thing may be broken, then thusly it may also be fixed. As I have expressed to you previously, this concept of broken is an illusion, for there are no expressions within your reality that are broken, in actuality. They are what you create them to be.
FRANK: Okay, broken in the sense of an accident?
ELIAS: There are no accidents.
FRANK: Exactly. That's what I mean. That's what you're saying.
ELIAS: Correct.
FRANK: But things aren't broken because "broken" implies accident and there is no accident. We actually create all this.
ELIAS: Correct, and therefore there is no necessity for fixing. This is symbolic of how you view other expressions within your reality, not just objects.
FRANK: Like relationships?
ELIAS: Relationships, expressions within your business, interactions with other individuals.
FRANK: And all that really comes back to, I think, the concept that we do in fact create all of our reality.
ELIAS: Correct.
FRANK: Because if we do, then there are no accidents, no coincidences, that sort of thing.
ELIAS: Correct.
FRANK: Again, you know, I sit here and say I understand intellectually, and I know deep down I don't really feel it totally because I still have times when I blame things on outside influences. How you move from where I am to where I guess I'd like to be is still sort of a mystery.
ELIAS: But also merely a process and an action of practicing, my friend: paying attention in the moments that you actually allow yourself to move your attention and to alter your perception, and noticing those actions and what you accomplish in those actions, offering yourself examples, which reinforces your trust of your abilities and also allows you to objectively view that you actually do incorporate the ability to move your attention and therefore alter your perception which, in actuality, immediately alters your reality.
FRANK: Right, which is some of what we discussed earlier.
ELIAS: Quite. The mere viewing of your beliefs in a moment, recognizing that you incorporate a certain belief and that it is influencing of you, and also recognizing in that moment that you need not be DOING anything with that belief or moving the belief in any manner; but merely acknowledging to yourself that regardless of the potential influence of the belief you incorporate choice, many times is acknowledgment to yourself enough to allow you to alter your perception, for you avoid automatic responses.
FRANK: Right. Well, I assume you're familiar with the work that I've been doing in terms of some of my beliefs, particularly in the area of achieving prosperity and that sort of thing. I assume that what I'm doing is fairly efficient, at least for me.
ELIAS: Yes, and you ARE paying attention for the most part and allowing yourself to be noticing what you are creating and what you are expressing.
FRANK: But I seem to be zeroed in on particular areas, don't I?
ELIAS: Yes, which also at times denies your viewing of other expressions, and you therefore allow yourself to not be recognizing objectively what you are generating in some other expressions. But I may be acknowledging of you, for you are in actuality not incorporating much time framework recently.
FRANK: I'm sorry, I didn't hear the last few words there.
ELIAS: You are not incorporating much time framework recently between your noticing points.
FRANK: Right, right. Yeah, it's getting more familiar to me...
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ELIAS: Yes.
FRANK: ...this whole thing. I suppose now I probably just need to expand into more areas.
There's something else I'd like to ask you about. There was a transcript that came out recently that was actually out of order - it was a very recent session you had with a group in California - about attention, focusing attention versus thought and that sort of thing, that I thought was very significant for obvious reasons, given what we've talked about here today. Several times I've asked for you and for my essence to give me energy to help me to assimilate and to understand this and all that. I assume you've gotten my message? (Elias laughs) Can you tell me about what happens when I make that sort of request?
ELIAS: I am always responsive to you, my friend, and am always compliant in offering an expression of energy in relation to your request. Whether you are recognizing objectively or not my expression of energy is dependent on where you are directing your attention and allowing yourself to be objectively aware of energy exchanges; but even if you are not objectively aware it matters not, for you are receiving and allowing your reception of offerings of energy to you and allowing yourself to configure those energy expressions naturally in manners that may be beneficial to yourself.
FRANK: And does the same apply when I make the request to my essence?
ELIAS: Yes.
FRANK: I assumed that was true. I mean, I do, as you know, have absolute faith that when I ask you or my essence for assistance that somehow it comes. Maybe it's just a perception I have right now that I'm not going to recognize it that I need to change, or not change.
ELIAS: Not necessarily. It is your choice, my friend. You may be allowing yourself an objective awareness or you may choose not to be.
In this time framework you are concentrating your attention quite objectively in manners of projecting your energy outwardly and creating manifestations in relation to what you want and are quite busily experimenting with your abilities. Therefore this occupies your attention quite consistently, and you do not necessarily concern yourself with recognizing energies that are being expressed or offered to you. For as you have stated, you are correct, you do incorporate a trust or what you term to be a faith that this shall be responded to, and therefore it is unnecessary, in your association, to be objectively recognizing the actual experience or expression of energy which is being offered. The knowing that it shall be responded to in the moment that you offer the request, in your terms, with you individually is enough.
FRANK: Well, good. Then I feel better about it.
Let me ask you about something that occurred this weekend. This weekend I went out to check the mail and as I was walking out to the mailbox I noticed that there was this old man and woman who had been walking down the street and the man had sort of collapsed. He was having a heart problem. Another neighbor had gone over there, so I went over there and helped, and several neighbors came out and called an ambulance and all that sort of thing. And I thought about why I... Well, first of all, had I gone up to the mail like a minute earlier or 20 minutes later I would have missed the whole thing, so obviously I was there at that time for a particular reason. I've wondered, why did I create this experience? I don't really have a good answer as to what the reason is.
ELIAS: And shall you offer an impression?
FRANK: Probably something to do with my beliefs about old age, infirmity and old age?
ELIAS: No. (Chuckles) I may express to you, you have incorporated this imagery in relation to automatic responses to offer yourself another experience in which you generate a different type of automatic response, and allowed yourself to view the strength of automatic responses by incorporating other individuals demonstrating the same action.
FRANK: In other words, all the neighbors reacting the same way.
ELIAS: Correct, which the reactions, in your terms, are expressed in relation to automatic responses. If a particular action occurs, without any objective awareness of the influences of your individual beliefs, you automatically respond. In some situations you view these automatic responses to be good or helpful. In some situations, you view them to be bad or negative. But as I express to you identifications of automatic responses, another automatic response is to associate that all automatic responses are bad.
Therefore, you have offered yourself two experiences which evidence to you your expression of automatic responses - one that you perceive to be negative, one that you perceive to be positive. But it matters not. They are both automatic responses.
FRANK: Excuse me, which one is the negative one?
ELIAS: That which you generated in relation to your partner in your business.
FRANK: Oh, okay, okay. I see. I'm sorry - you're talking about the earlier conversation, right. It's like beliefs, they just are. They're not good, they're not bad.
ELIAS: Correct, but in your terms you are less likely to notice automatic responses that you view to not be negative.
FRANK: Right, but they're just as influencing.
ELIAS: Correct, and in the continuation of your expression of them, regardless of whether you view them to be negative or positive, you continue to reinforce the familiarity of that action of automatic responses, which generates more challenge in noticing and paying attention and allowing yourself to not be expressing automatic responses. Are you understanding?
FRANK: Yes, absolutely, which all comes back to what I asked you about earlier, this whole issue of getting more control over our reality.
ELIAS: Yes, recognizing.
FRANK: Recognizing the control we have maybe is a better way to put that. Hmm, interesting. Let's see, what do I want to ask you about?
It seems like lately I've had a more harmonious relationship with my partner, and could you maybe discuss that from my point of view and her point of view and kind of what's going on there?
ELIAS: This once again, my friend, is an evidence that you may allow yourself to be paying attention to, for this expression is actually a natural by-product of your expression of acceptance within self. As you continue to generate more of an expression of acceptance of self, you also automatically generate outward objective expressions in relation to other individuals, and you generate more of an allowance and acceptance of other individuals as a natural by-product.
I have been expressing this concept for much time framework repeatedly, and in this you are now allowing yourself to objectively view the reality of this concept. You shall naturally, in an ease, generate more of an acceptance between yourself and other individuals merely through the action of acceptance of yourself, for you generate the manifestation of the other individual as a reflection to yourself, as I have stated, through your perception. But you also do create more of a harmony in exchange of energy with the other individual.
FRANK: Recently we had a big family discussion where the whole family participated and we sort of, to some extent, exchanged viewpoints on issues that I'll call related to non-acceptance. Can you tell me what was going on there in terms of the family unit and the different people involved and where we're going with all that?
ELIAS: Express clarification in relation to your concern or your confusion.
FRANK: It just seems like there's oftentimes friction that at least I prefer would not be there. I don't know, I guess this is sort of the start of us trying to minimize that, and I guess I'm just curious as to where that's going. I'm not sure I have a real question (Elias laughs), other than you always have insights into events that don't occur to me.
ELIAS: First of all, I shall express to you that individuals within your family unit are attempting to be generating more of an expression of harmony but are incorporating challenge in that expression in their continued projection of attention outwardly and generating expectations concerning the other family members. But I may also express to you that there is an energy expression which you, and many times Moorah also, are generating, which is offering a partial example to other individuals.
Therefore, the family as a unit is moving in a direction of more of an expression of harmony, so to speak, with less conflict; although, as I have stated, there is some challenge which is being expressed in that for there continues to be an expression generated by your partner in which there are expectations concerning other family members and what they should be generating in behavior, so to speak, to allow for this harmony, rather than turning the attention to self and paying attention to the expressions and behaviors that your partner herself expresses. But the examples are being noticed.
Therefore, I may express to you that you may be encouraged that there is movement occurring in this direction of harmony, for the examples that are being expressed merely in your own individual actions of acceptance within yourselves is in part being recognized.
FRANK: Right, and that's really all I can do, is just accept myself and accept others...
ELIAS: Correct.
FRANK: ...and be an example.
ELIAS: Correct.
FRANK: Because people will only change if they choose to.
ELIAS: In the acceptance of yourself, my friend, you naturally generate an example, and this is noticed.
FRANK: Okay, so we're moving in the right direction.
ELIAS: In your terms. Ha ha ha!
FRANK: Yes, touché. There is no right direction. (Elias laughs)
Actually, that brings up something that Moorah asked me to ask you, which is... I'm not sure if I can formulate this question properly, but she wanted to know if we sort of have roles within the family. Are there like family standard roles that we are playing and what are they?
ELIAS: Quite. In relation to mass beliefs concerning the structure of a family unit, yes, you do incorporate roles which influence your choices at times - in actuality many times, for you incorporate roles of positions and you view yourselves in measurement of those positions.
FRANK: Which is sort of similar to an automatic response, isn't it?
ELIAS: Yes.
FRANK: So we would probably... I'm not quite sure how to phrase this, but it would probably be interesting to try to break out of that.
ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, for these roles or these positions also reinforce some expressions of conflict, for in the expressions of these roles there are expectations upon self and other individuals to be generating specific types of behaviors in relation to the position and role, which denies each individual choices and the expression of directing of self rather than compliance with the expectations of other individuals.
FRANK: And that I understand, like my wife and I are the head of the family, so to speak, and the children sort of report to us, that kind of thing, and we should somehow be controlling what they're doing.
ELIAS: Correct, and not accepting and trusting that they also incorporate the ability to be directing of themselves quite efficiently.
FRANK: Actually I think I do to a fair extent, I sort of assume that attitude - not all the time.
ELIAS: I am understanding.
FRANK: And again, I think that's an area where automatic reactions can definitely crop in.
ELIAS: Yes.
FRANK: But I think that for my wife it's a pretty big problem, a bigger issue.
ELIAS: Perhaps a challenge, not necessarily a problem. Ha ha ha!
FRANK: There you go. It's a choice. (Elias laughs)
We don't have a lot of time, so I'd like to ask you about a couple of fun things here.
ELIAS: Very well.
FRANK: Lately I have been reading a book entitled "Hyperspace," and it is a book about modern-day physics. I've really only read a small portion of it - and by the way, Oscar Wilde is mentioned in there two times (Elias laughs) - and in the book, at least as far as I've gotten, basically the thesis of the book seems to be that the only way that physicists can unify the laws of physics or really elegantly explain the different laws of physics is through the postulation of multiple dimensions. They talk about a fourth dimension, but I think it really comes down to many multiple dimensions that we can't as physical beings experience but that nonetheless are there, based on the laws of physics.
Is modern science eventually coming around to the recognition of the fact that this physical world really is sort of an illusion and created by the non-physical world?
ELIAS: Yes, which is...
FRANK: Is this part of the shift?
ELIAS: Yes. This is an expression of this shift in consciousness in which, as you each individually are generating this objective insertion of this shift, your scientists are not immune. They also are shifting and therefore widening their awareness, incorporating more of an objective understanding that there is more expressed than may necessarily be mathematically expressed.
FRANK: So is it fair to assume that once the shift is sort of completed - I'm not sure it's ever completed, but I think when you and I last spoke you had said that maybe like 80 years from now it would be pretty much totally recognized on this planet - at that point will science have caught up with all of this and this will be a thoroughly accepted theory? Because I believe right now there is still some controversy over this.
ELIAS: You are correct, and in response to your question, yes, this shall move into harmony also with this shift in consciousness. As I have stated, the entirety of your reality is changing.
FRANK: Will this result in scientific advances that will enable us to instantaneously move from one part of the planet to another for example, which is again theoretically possible under this new knowledge that physicists are postulating?
ELIAS: These are potentials, yes, and in relation to your question "shall this allow you greater expressions objectively," quite. This is the point, to allow yourself what you term to be advancement or expansion of what you may explore in relation to physical manifestation within your physical dimension.
FRANK: I guess it's no coincidence I happened to pick this book up at this particular time.
ELIAS: Quite, for as I have stated many times previously, my friend, that which you view to be science fiction now is becoming more of science fact.
FRANK: Yes. (Elias chuckles) Yes, and I understand that and I always think of that when I watch a science-fiction show or something and think that the fact that this occurred to some writer to think about, this means on some probable level it's happening...
ELIAS: Correct.
FRANK: ...or will happen or whatever...
ELIAS: Correct.
FRANK: ...and that that, in fact, is what they're tapping into.
ELIAS: Yes.
FRANK: One last question because our time is short.
I don't know why this has particularly interested me but it has, and maybe you can explain the reason why I'm even asking this question. But is there a probable reality in which World War II turned out differently...
ELIAS: Yes.
FRANK: ...where Germany won the war? What I'm interested in is what is the history of the period following that? What exactly happened?
ELIAS: In actuality, my friend, there are many probable realities that have been generated in relation to that reality that you created within this dimension. Therefore, there are many expressions of outcomes and directions that have been generated, not merely one.
FRANK: I should have thought of that. (Elias laughs) Why does that intrigue me at this moment? Is that because I have some existence in one of these that is somehow connected with me currently?
ELIAS: All of your probable realities and probable selves are, in your terms, connected to you; but I may express to you, the reason that you are generating an interest in this subject matter is expressed in relation to what you are experimenting with in your physical reality in altering directions and expressions and therefore altering perception, which alters your reality, and in this, probable realities are another expression of alteration of reality.
Therefore, as this is the action that you yourself are actually creating and experimenting with recently and continuing, you also generate some interest in other expressions of altering realities, that of your sciences and physics, and also offering yourself playful interest in mass expressions such as your second World War and the probable realities or the alterations in realities that can and have been expressed in relation to this mass event.
FRANK: So there's no particular reason for my interest in that event?
ELIAS: It is a reality that you have participated in in this physical dimension and therefore also in probable realities, and as probable realities correlate with alteration of your reality, it is merely another objective expression of interest.
FRANK: Two more quick questions.
ELIAS: Very well.
FRANK: Number one, was I at Pearl Harbor during the attack on Pearl Harbor? The only reason why I ask that question is that when I was younger I had tremendous interest in the events of that day. I read a lot about it. It was just something that really fascinated me, and so I'm just wondering if I was there or somehow connected with that.
ELIAS: Yes.
FRANK: Can you tell me anything about that?
ELIAS: (Laughs) Shall you investigate? This is another focus of you.
FRANK: Okay, all right. Well, I'll investigate and report back in our next encounter.
ELIAS: Very well!
FRANK: And then lastly, a question just occurred to me when you were talking about this. Earlier when we had talked, I think you said I had 900 and some focuses, and you've mentioned to other people how many focuses they've had. I don't know quite how to put this, but is that in all the different probable realities?
ELIAS: No.
FRANK: Do you understand my question?
ELIAS: Yes, and I may express to you, no, this is not an expression of probable realities, for in actuality there is no number that I may express to any of you to be identifying all of your probable realities in focuses or other dimensional focuses or focuses of attention in all of consciousness.
FRANK: It's probably almost infinite, isn't it?
ELIAS: It is numberless.
FRANK: I thought you would say that, but that just sort of hit me there that that has to be the way it is.
Well, I wish we could talk longer but our time is up, and so I thank you. It's been very enjoyable, as usual.
ELIAS: Very well, my friend, and I express the enjoyment with you also.
FRANK: I'll be calling on you again soon.
ELIAS: Very well! I shall be anticipating this.
FRANK: (Laughing) Okay!
ELIAS: To you, in great affection as always, my friend, au revoir.
FRANK: Goodbye.
Elias departs at 12:07 PM.
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