Sunday, November 25, 2001 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Arlene (Giovani)
Elias arrives at 11:19 AM. (Arrival time is 24 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

ARLENE: Hello, Elias, how are you?

ELIAS: (Chuckles) As always, and yourself?

ARLENE: This is Arlene and this is the first time we have talked. I was at the Pennsylvania session at the end of October...

ELIAS: I am aware.

ARLENE: ...but I didn't talk with you. Pardon?

ELIAS: I am aware.

ARLENE: Okay! I have some questions for you today.

ELIAS: Very well.

ARLENE: I guess I'll start with the usual, since we all want to know and put labels on things. (Laughs) Which family am I with?

ELIAS: And what is your impression?

ARLENE: My impression is that I am with Gramada and possibly aligned with Borledim. But I could be wrong, I don't know. Actually, I can see myself in a lot of them.

ELIAS: I may express to you, belonging to Milumet, aligning with Borledim, yes.

ARLENE: And what is my essence tone name?

ELIAS: Essence name, Giovani (gee oh VAHN ee).

ARLENE: Could you spell that?

ELIAS: G-I-O-V-A-N-I.

ARLENE: Thank you. And my color?

ELIAS: And your impression?

ARLENE: Well, lately I've been aligning with a lot of browns, different tones of brown. (Pause)

ELIAS: In actuality, I may express to you, the color amber.

ARLENE: And my orientation?

ELIAS: Orientation, common.

ARLENE: Intermediate? Oh, you're saying common.

ELIAS: Correct.

ARLENE: Am I thought focused?

ELIAS: Yes.

ARLENE: And, let's see, how many focuses in this dimension? (Pause)

ELIAS: Total numbering, 831.

ARLENE: How many of these might be of similar tone?

ELIAS: Forty-two.

ARLENE: Are any of those in the United States?

ELIAS: In this present time framework?

ARLENE: Yes.

ELIAS: No.

ARLENE: Today I'd like to talk to you mainly about two different things. One would be about some experiences I had over ten years ago and the information that I acquired from those experiences. I'd like to just check and see how valid some of it is.

ELIAS: Very well.

ARLENE: I suppose I'd like to really start with what actually happened. What was I actually experiencing?

ELIAS: Offer explanation.

ARLENE: Well, it seemed like I was traveling through different layers of myself, different layers of consciousness. Then suddenly it seemed like I reached the core of myself or something, and there was something larger than life itself. It was me, but it wasn't me. I mean, I know it was me but at the time...

My perception has changed over the years as to what I had actually experienced. At the time I thought maybe I was even possessed or something, I could notice that much of a difference of the energy inside. (Elias smiles) It was a very, very intense energy and there was a movement associated with it. I could actually feel it leave and go right out the top of my head.

So I would really like a little bit more clarity on what actually was going on. There were many, many different experiences in those years, but the overall ... I don't know.

ELIAS: Very well. I may express to you, as you are already partially aware, you have allowed yourself to be creating an exploration of essence as an expression of consciousness. Therefore, you have allowed yourself to objectively experience many unfamiliar movements and expressions of yourself as essence, and in this, allowing yourself to become more familiar with the different expressions of energy that you generate as essence.

This is in actuality in your focus quite purposeful, for it has allowed you an objective recognition of the expansiveness of yourself as essence and also has offered you, in a manner of speaking, experience in preparation of movement into genuinely familiarizing yourself with you, which is beneficial in offering you information concerning self and that there are expressions of yourself, even within your one focus of attention, that are unfamiliar expressions of energy but are present within you.

Therefore in creating this movement and these experiences, you do incorporate an objective awareness that there are aspects of yourself that may be expressed, even in this focus, that may appear unfamiliar but that you allow yourself the knowing that you need not generate fearfulness in association with these different expressions of energy, recognizing that they are aspects of yourself. Are you understanding?

ARLENE: Yes, I am. The energy itself was very, very intense within the body.

ELIAS: This is merely an offering to yourself in objective experience and sensation to allow you a beginning understanding of the vastness and the powerfulness of yourself as essence. You have translated that energy into a physical expression that you allow yourself to recall and to continue to hold within your objective awareness and memory, which, as I have stated, offers you information concerning the strength and powerfulness of essence in its movements and in its abilities.

ARLENE: Well, then did it actually move through me and leave?

ELIAS: No, this is merely an opening of your objective awareness in this focus, allowing yourself a temporary glimpse, so to speak, into the experience of what you are. Therefore, there is no actual expression of moving through or leaving. In a manner of speaking, what you have allowed yourself is a temporary opening of a window, figuratively speaking, in allowance of yourself to view and experience yourself, but not as one focus of attention but as essence.

ARLENE: Wow! Essence is really neat! (Laughing, and Elias laughs) So, with this shift, will everybody be experiencing that to a certain extent?

ELIAS: Yes.

ARLENE: That opening?

ELIAS: Yes, and realization of self as essence, not as a piece or a part of essence but recognizing and understanding that each manifestation is a focus of attention, and the whole of essence is incorporated and not separated from that focus of attention.

ARLENE: Great.

Now, the patterns and the designs that I have many, many drawings of - I've had them for a long time - could you comment on those? To me they seem to be a design for this dimension, a pathway for energy to travel, and actually you could create a whole human body. Everything is right there in this pattern. It would be the pattern for everything, the way I'm seeing it. Could you comment on that?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, you are correct. For, what you have allowed yourself to be expressing is a translation in association with this physical dimension of energy and its expression as projected by essence. You are translating this energy into designs, and the designs are associated with the movement in this physical dimension. And you are also correct; in a manner of speaking, they may be configured in different manners to be creating any physical manifestation.

This is not to say that this is a literal design of energy patterns, but it is a translation in association with your physical dimension of energy patterns. Therefore in a manner of speaking, as a translation it may be viewed accurately.

ARLENE: It may be what?

ELIAS: Viewed accurately.

ARLENE: Well, I wasn't sure how much of it I distorted, but there were too many similarities not to believe I didn't have something going on here with these designs.

ELIAS: Correct.

Now; if you are seeking the expression of distortion, this may be recognized in relation to the translation, but also, as I have expressed, there is an element of accuracy which is being expressed. It is expressed in patterns, as I have stated, in association with what is known and what is generated within the design of your physical dimension. Therefore, outside of this physical dimension these energy patterns may be translated differently, but this is not to say that they are not energy patterns.

ARLENE: Yeah, I kind of assumed that, because to me it felt like they were just probably for this dimension, but I wasn't sure whether...

ELIAS: Correct.

ARLENE: ...I mean, energy moves in a certain pattern for this dimension. But if you were to put these patterns one on top of each other with the boundaries, and separate the boundaries for each one of these, is that where our time and space...?

ELIAS: This is an aspect of...

ARLENE: In other words, it would almost look like a grid for our time and space. It would be incorporated together.

ELIAS: Yes, and these are aspects of the energy patterns which you manipulate to be generating actual physical manifestations within what you recognize as physical matter.

ARLENE: Almost like evolution would be built into that design, too, like how we perceive evolution, right?

ELIAS: ALL of your perceived physical reality may be generated through the different expressions of manipulation of these energy patterns.

ARLENE: Do you think these, at some point in the future, would be helpful to other people in our dimension?

ELIAS: In the manner in which you are inquiring, I may express to you, not necessarily. For they are significant to YOUR understanding of energy patterns and expressions, but each individual creates their unique translation of energy patterns and the manipulation of them, and futurely the awareness in association with this shift in consciousness of individuals concerning consciousness, energy, and essence shall be expressed in a manner in which it may be unnecessary for their particular explorations.

What you are offering to yourself in these designs, so to speak, is an opening of a door, figuratively speaking, for yourself to explore how you manipulate and create within this physical dimension. Therefore it is significant in YOUR individual exploration, but as I have expressed, each individual generates their own unique method, so to speak, and expressions that allow them an understanding objectively of what they are creating and how they are creating in this reality.

ARLENE: I think I understand that. In other words, a lot of people could care less about the inner workings?

ELIAS: It is dependent upon the individual.

ARLENE: Okay, I understand that.

I have another question. With these designs, there are all these magnetic points within these designs and three different areas. One was energy concentration, energy expansion, and extension. Do I have a somewhat accurate perception of those three and how the movement is with those?

ELIAS: Within your understanding, yes.

ARLENE: Now I would like to ask you something about my artwork. I do abstract artwork on the computer. The abstracts, are they just a physical translation of an inner experience that I've had? Or how exactly do I interpret those?

ELIAS: This is your translation of redefining, within your objective expressions, of reality and your expression in creativity in association with objective imagery. You generate this type of creative expression in association and communication to yourself concerning the expressions of objective imagery, a translation of objective expression in association with this physical dimension. You translate your recognition of this through an expression of creativity, in which you generate an outward expression as a translation of these expressions of objective imagery, and in actuality of all of your reality, as being an expression of abstraction.

ARLENE: Very good.

I have a question about when this shift is over. A lot of planetary changes will be taking place, is that right?

ELIAS: This is dependent upon the choices of you all collectively, and this has not been inserted yet into your objective physical reality. There is potential expressed in relation to reconfiguration of certain aspects of your physical universe, so to speak, as a reflection of your reconfiguration of your objective physical reality. But this, as I have stated, shall be a choice of the collective consciousness, so to speak, of your physical dimension.

ARLENE: Do a lot of these choices have to do with the rotation of the earth and the axes?

ELIAS: No, they are concerning your collective recognition of yourselves and your understanding and recognition that you actually generate from yourselves all of the expressions of your physical universe, that you yourselves actually express energy outwardly, which creates all of these movements.

Therefore, in a manner of speaking, in like manner to your recognition of your magnetic points within your patterns, you are expressing a recognition of how you generate energy outwardly in extension of yourselves to be configuring actual manifestations and the movement of them. Therefore, it is not concerning your earth or how it moves...

ARLENE: No, how it would be reflected.

ELIAS: Correct - how YOU move and how you manipulate energy outwardly in association with what you choose to create in your physical universe as an extension of yourselves.

ARLENE: So then I'm not sure if I quite understand. I mean, I understand what you said, but in relation to my question then, is it possible then if we're directing, if we're changing in ourselves, that it will be reflected in the magnetic poles?

ELIAS: There is potential, but I may express to you once again, this is a choice that you may or may not be expressing. It is not an automatic by-product.

ARLENE: Oh, okay, that's what I wanted to know. I thought that it...

ELIAS: Correct. It is a choice, not an automatic expression in association with a by-product of what you are generating outwardly.

ARLENE: I have a question to ask you, another one, and this has to do with something that Seth ... another Seth question. I think that everybody who has ever read Seth has now come to Elias. He made a statement one time that there were answers to some questions that he couldn't give us about the origins of All That Is, for they're not known anywhere in the system in which we have our existence. Do you agree with that statement?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, for there is no origin.

Within your physical dimension and the manner in which you have designed it, what is known to you and what you understand is finite. What you understand moves in relation to your configuration of time and your associations with the expression of time. Therefore, you create in familiarity in association with beginnings and endings; and in relation to consciousness and the expression of consciousness, it may not be accurately defined within the associations of the design of your physical dimension. For you may accept conceptually the idea or the theory, so to speak, that consciousness incorporates no actual beginning and no actual end, but this is a concept. It is not a concept that you accurately may insert into your physical reality, for it does not fit within the design of your physical reality.

Consciousness is not a thing. You associate in relation to things, in relation to manifestations. Even expressions such as thought, you associate as a thing. It may not incorporate physical matter, but your association nonetheless moves in relation to a thing. Consciousness is not a thing; it is not an entity. It is an action.

ARLENE: Well, everything is motion, right, in a manner of speaking?

ELIAS: Yes.

ARLENE: So then everything actually then comes from non-motion, a stillness, to my...

ELIAS: No.

ARLENE: No, okay. Or from nothingness, shall I say?

ELIAS: No. This once again is an association that is generated in relation to what is known within your physical dimension. It is not generated from nothingness or stillness or lack of motion. Energy is synonymous with motion, and all that is expressed as consciousness is energy.

ARLENE: So there isn't really a void or a nothingness...

ELIAS: Correct.

ARLENE: ...that we think of?

ELIAS: Correct. It is a movement, an action of continuous folding-in, in a manner of speaking, a continuous action of becoming in this folding-in of consciousness [and] continuous discovery which generates continuous expansion. Which I am understanding that within the expression of your language, these statements appear to be contradictory and almost opposite of each other, but this is the most accurate explanation in association with your objective expression of language and objective understanding.

Let me express to you, my friend, also that it matters not. For you as essence are not limited to this one physical dimension; you occupy all areas of consciousness. Therefore, you do incorporate other knowings other than those associated with this physical dimension, and you do incorporate the knowing in genuineness of the movement and the being of consciousness - not "being" as an entity, but "being" as an action.

ARLENE: You have given me much to think about today! (Elias laughs)

One other thing I might want to talk to you a little bit about is a chart of color vibrations that I had drawn at one point. The way I understand them, from this chart that I drew, is that they were in four different spectrums of three colors each, and if you reached the one vibration rate then you actually started incorporating colors from the second spectrum, is how I was understanding this chart. Could you comment on that?

ELIAS: I may express to you, once again, this is a translation in association with your expression of vibrational quality in association with color that you recognize in this physical dimension. Your expression of color and its association with vibration in this physical dimension, although quite expansive, is also limited. You limit in creating separations in association with the vibrational qualities and even with the physical manifestations of color.

In actuality, there are infinite expressions or vibrational qualities of color, and what you are associating with in generating this type of classification is a familiar expression within your physical dimension to be separating and, in a manner of speaking, compartmentalizing certain expressions of vibrational quality that you may allow yourself to examine the individual expressions of each vibration. Are you understanding?

I am not expressing to you that this is bad. I am merely expressing to you an identification of what you are actually generating.

ARLENE: A limited perception?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking. Although I may also express to you that you may be incorporating this type of separation to be offering yourself the opportunity to explore individual vibrational qualities and allowing yourself movement in consciousness in relation to these individual vibrational qualities. They do express different movements.

ARLENE: I think a lot of what I'm trying to do is to understand this dimension that we are in.

ELIAS: Ah, and I may express to you, my friend, the manner in which you may most efficiently generate that understanding is to be holding your attention upon you and allowing yourself to be exploring and familiarizing yourself with you in what you generate within what you view to be the mundane, rather than attempting to be projecting your attention outside of yourself and create what you associate as scientific explorations of what is in manifestation and in energy.
For all that is, so to speak, generated within your physical reality is a projection of you. Therefore in the exploration of YOU and what you create and what you generate in energy, and familiarizing yourself with your expressions of energy, you shall also offer yourself a greater understanding of how you create within your physical dimension.

And I may express to you that this is precisely the point. For this is what you are generating in the action of this shift in consciousness, offering yourselves an objective awareness and understanding of not merely WHAT you create within your physical reality but HOW you create it, therefore offering yourself greater choice and expanding your exploration of this physical dimension.

ARLENE: Tell me something, could I go back into that opening again?

ELIAS: Of essence?

ARLENE: Yes.

ELIAS: Yes, if you are so choosing.

ARLENE: And could I remain there and still stay in this dimension?

ELIAS: Temporarily.

ARLENE: Although I had the feeling that to remain in that state you would be - I don't know how to say this - bored?

ELIAS: Not necessarily, but...

ARLENE: "Limited" maybe is the word, realizing your own limitations or something?

ELIAS: Not necessarily, but in movement into that direction, so to speak, and choosing to be continuing in that expression of experience and maintaining that direction, you also would be removing your attention from this individual focus, and therefore in moving the attention you would be choosing to disengage this particular focus.

ARLENE: Okay, I think I understand that.

Well, it's been a delightful conversation, and I truly appreciate everything you have told me.

ELIAS: Ha ha! You are quite welcome!

ARLENE: I think we will probably have to end our conversation now so that we can get Mary back.

ELIAS: Very well, my friend. I shall anticipate our next meeting, and I shall offer my energy to you in playfulness. (Chuckles)

ARLENE: (Laughs) Okay, I'll be watching.

ELIAS: Very well, my friend. I offer to you great affection and express au revoir.

ARLENE: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 12:13 PM.

(1) Originally expressed as "For all that is, so to speak, which is generated within your physical reality is a projection of you."

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