Saturday, November 24, 2001 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael), Margot (Giselle) and Howard (Bosht)
Elias arrives at 2:10 PM. (Arrival time is 22 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

MARGOT: Good morning, Elias! (Elias chuckles) I wish you could be here! We finally had snow last night. I think that's the latest snow we've ever had, and it's just so nice outside! (Elias chuckles) And it's nice inside, too! And I'm just doing really good ... right now! (Laughs) Anyway ... are you still there?

ELIAS: Yes!

MARGOT: Oh well, I didn't hear you or anything. (Elias laughs)

First off, I would like to ask something for a friend; it's a friend that you and I both have on the Elias List. Her name is Fiona and she's in Scotland, and she would like to have her essence name and her belonging-to family and aligning-with family and her orientation. (21-second pause)

ELIAS: I may express to you, this has been offered.

MARGOT: Oh, has it?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: Strange, 'cause she asked me to do it! Hmm! Ah! Well, okay! She also - I got another note from her yesterday - she feels that she may be a final focus, but she feels also that she has at least one future female focus.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARGOT: Correct; good, okay. All right, now we can go right along to my things!

In the last session that you and I had, I need to say thank you for that again because you pointed out to me that loss is very much a part of death, and I didn't even have to spend any time at all going back through my thoughts about my life and the fact that I've felt that I've had quite a bit of loss in my life, and that made so much sense to me. It also helped me explain to myself communications to myself right after the 9/11 event, because I was a bit confused about what had occurred or what my response was.

In the first two or three days after that event, of course I had a great opportunity to explore death, and at first I thought that was kind of a big point for me. But then by the end of that week, I finally figured out that I was sorrowing and crying not for the victims and not because of anything other than the fact that I had lost my past. It was like I had - I still feel that way - I had this past, it was my past until that day of the attack, and then I began a new past at that point. All of that that was in my past that ended that day was a great sorrowing point for me, because I knew that it was lost and things would never be the same again.

So when you expressed to me about loss being connected to death, that really did help me to put that in place. I was very pleased that you said that, and I'll be on the lookout for a little more of that kind of stuff! (Elias laughs)

I'd also like to thank you for all the information that you gave to all of us through Jene and Vicki, right after the event when they talked to you. Because there was something in that that really did a shift in me, and I realized that I had lost most of the sense of separation that I had always had for the Middle East and Middle Easterners. I realized when I looked in bin Laden's face that I could feel affection and great understanding for him and connected to him. That was great and magical, Elias, that all I had to do was read what you said about it and have you point the way for me, and I'm really grateful for that. That's really helped me a lot.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome, my friend.

MARGOT: I don't even hate the Taliban now, so that was a big shift! (Elias laughs) Then, after I realized all that, I had two dreams in which in each dream I was with a group of Afghan men. I was part of the group, but there wasn't anything more in the dreams than that, or at least that I recalled after I woke up. Do I have a focus in Afghanistan?

ELIAS: In your terms, you did.

MARGOT: Yes, it wouldn't be now; present timeframe, no, I'm not asking that.

ELIAS: In your terms, you have incorporated what may be termed as an overlapping focus in that physical location, but that focus has disengaged.

MARGOT: Oh, just in the last little while?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: Oh. OH! That's interesting. Hmm! Okay, I've got to investigate that. Thank you!

ELIAS: You are welcome.

MARGOT: I think that you and I have a blackberry brandy connection. (Elias smiles) Since the last time we talked, it's gotten very easy for me to chat with you any time that I want to but only about general things. But not very long ago, on a night that I was having a difficult time trying to sleep, I sat here for a while and sipped on a glass of blackberry brandy - which, by the way, is a very wonderful sleep aid - and suddenly I felt that you had almost just walked in the room, and it was so ... I'm having a problem finding the words here. You felt so close, and for some strange reason I began asking you quick questions that I didn't even know I had to ask! But I asked you these questions rapid-fire, and you gave me the answers right back. Now, if it was not you that walked in the room and sat and talked with me for a while (laughing), I sure don't know what it is, because I've got all these answers!

So the first one I'm going to ask you, did you have 873 focuses in this dimension? (Pause)

ELIAS: More.

MARGOT: I'm sorry; I didn't hear you.

ELIAS: More.

MARGOT: More! Okay, then I was talking to somebody else! That was the answer I got! Were you and I married in a focus in the Grasse, France area?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: That was right! Was your name Francois and mine Elizabeth?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: Whoa! And we had three kids?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: And you are a cobbler and before our marriage, since I had worked in a perfume factory, I now grow my own flowers and things like that for the fragrances that I want to have and wear.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: Wow! The marriage was rocky but lasting because we were both feisty and quick-tempered.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARGOT: Correct! Thank you, Elias! You did walk into my room that night! (Elias laughs) At any rate... (They both laugh) Anyway, it was very nice, and it really eased my ... especially finding out that most of what I got from you was true! (Laughing)

Just 'cause I want to know, how many focuses did you have in this dimension?

ELIAS: I may express to you that within your physical dimension I have incorporated more than 3000.

MARGOT: Oh, oh, oh! Wow! You get one point, Elias! (Elias laughs loudly) Wow! Oh, okay! (Margot and Howard both laugh)

One night when I was not asleep yet ... and I often see faces, I think I've told you about that before. But that night, suddenly into my view came a little Oriental girl. She was about four, and very clearly there was an older woman standing in back of her, kind of like she took care of this little girl. At the same time I saw her face, I got her name, and her name was Mei-Ling. Is this a focus of mine, or is the older woman standing in the background me?

ELIAS: The older woman.

MARGOT: Now, do I know a focus of Mei-Ling's now?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: Is it one of my kids?

ELIAS: No.

MARGOT: No. Okay, all right, I'll work on that. I sensed that the pair of them were Chinese. Is that so?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: And can you give me a time frame for this, or where it was in China?

ELIAS: Time framework, eighth century; physical location, Shiquan.

MARGOT: I know that Mei-Ling is the essence name of Dale's little boy, Spencer. Is there a connection between them?

ELIAS: No.

MARGOT: Kind of along that same line, I feel connected to St. Petersburg, and I always have. If I ever had a chance to go someplace, I think I'd go there. I think that I have at least one focus there in which my husband is a diplomat or an official or something like that at the court?

ELIAS: Correct.

MARGOT: I think we live kind of on the outskirts of town. I hesitate to say a farm, but if it's a farm, it's small.

ELIAS: Correct, not a farm.

MARGOT: Not a farm. That's why I couldn't figure out what. It was just like out in the outskirts, because we seem to have had a horse and other animals.

ELIAS: Yes, but not a farm.

MARGOT: Yes, I understand. Is my mother in this focus now one of my children in that focus?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: And is one of the other children my son Dan?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: Yes. Thank you very much!

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

MARGOT: And speaking of Dan, I heard from him a couple of weeks ago, and he'd had two very awful dreams, he felt. Howard and I talked about it, and we decided that perhaps he was in the attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941 and that these dreams that he'd had, as he described them to us, were just kind of bleed-through action. Is that true?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

MARGOT: Thank you. Howard brought that through! (Howard begins laughing)

ELIAS: Ah! Bosht! Are you engaging channeling? (Howard and Margot laugh)

MARGOT: Every so often he does a really good job! (Elias laughs)

HOWARD: It's a four-beer flow, Elias; you know that one!

ELIAS: Ah, yes, I am familiar with this method of channeling! (Howard laughs)

MARGOT: And it's just as good as blackberry brandy! (All three laugh)

ELIAS: You may be quite creative in your channeling, incorporating these actions!

HOWARD: Hopefully, yes, thank you!

MARGOT: I had a dream the other night; it was very clear and I'd like to ask you about it. In the dream, Howard and I had been in a bad accident, and he had been killed and I was in a coma. In this coma state of mind, I was very clear. It was very real to me, I was very calm, and I was very clear-headedly trying to decide should I disengage or should I stay. I could see the advantages and the disadvantages to staying, the most important one being that if I didn't disengage, I could remain behind to tie up all the loose ends that otherwise someone else would have to do.

As I thought about the dream afterwards, since I didn't feel that it was an ominous dream in any way or any kind of a warning for me, the only thing that I could come up with was that I was showing myself the clarity that exists in an unconscious or coma state...

ELIAS: Correct.

MARGOT: ...and there wasn't any more to that dream than just showing myself that.

ELIAS: And also allowing yourself information concerning the reality of choice in relation to death.

MARGOT: Yes, yes! Thank you! I should have picked up on that really fast, but thank you very much. That was a very interesting dream, and I was so clear. Somehow I've always imagined that anybody that's been badly hurt in an accident and is in that kind of a state would, I don't know, just be off playing or something. I just had no idea that there would be such an amount of clarity, and I really liked that.

Then just a few days ago, I awoke from a dream in which I seemed to be with an older woman, and I was telling her about the death of a friend. She was explaining to me that in most cases the manner of creating disengagement is related to the family belonging-to or aligning-with, and I thought this was really wild! But the idea kind of intrigued me. Is there anything to that at all? (Pause)

ELIAS: Partially. But I may also express to you that in actuality, at times there may be what may be expressed as a leaning towards certain types of expressions, but not in a manner of definite or consistent choices associated with each essence family, for individuals choose the manner in which they shall disengage as influenced by several factors, so to speak.

There may be some influence concerning the expressions of essence families; but I may express to you, more so the influence shall be expressed in relation to the individual's beliefs and also in association with the individual's intent in their particular focus.

MARGOT: The man that we were discussing in the dream is a friend of ours who passed away just about a week ago now. I believe he was Ilda, and so in the dream we were discussing his death in regards to Ilda. But I wasn't clear when I woke up exactly what the factors were. Well, that's interesting!

ELIAS: I am understanding. Although I may express to you, as I have stated, there may be at times a leaning of the individual to be choosing a manner of disengagement in association with the qualities of an essence family, but this also, in a manner of speaking, would be incorporated in association with the individual's intent.

MARGOT: Right, and the beliefs that the individual holds or held.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARGOT: Some of us have been talking about or kind of wondering about if we might have difficulty connecting with focuses in which we were not very good, and it might be our belief systems that are holding us back from being able to connect with these other focuses. In the discussion, it occurred to me that I haven't found anybody dreadfully awful yet, and so I'd like very much, Elias - I've never asked you if I had a focus in which I was famous like everybody else seems to ask you - I would like to have you point me in the direction of a focus in which I was dreadfully awful! Please! (Elias laughs heartily, with a wide grin)

HOWARD: (Cracking up) Oh my goodness!

ELIAS: Ah! "Dreadfully awful" in association with the beliefs that you hold presently...

MARGOT: Yes!

ELIAS: (Laughs, and Howard is still cracking up) ...for you are aware that perhaps within the "dreadfully awful" focus, the perception is NOT dreadfully awful!

MARGOT: Oh, I'm sure that's true, but somebody that I might be tempted, let's say, to be upset about.

ELIAS: HA HA HA HA HA! (Howard can't stop laughing and Elias chuckles) Ah! And does this not bear out what I have expressed to you all previously in identifying your fascination with your creation of negative associations!

MARGOT: Yes, it does bear it out! (Elias laughs) But I still want to know! (Howard begins cracking up again)

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha! Very well! I shall offer to you an identification of an individual that you now would view in the hue of your perception as dreadfully awful...

MARGOT: Good!

ELIAS: ...and also in offering you two prizes at once! Ha ha! Such a gem! I shall also express to you the offering of a famous focus.

MARGOT: (Cracking up with Howard) Okay, Elias!

ELIAS: You may find yourself as a British king within your 13th century.

MARGOT: Okay! (Elias chuckles) That won't be hard for me to find.

ELIAS: I am aware!

MARGOT: (Laughing with Howard) I'll get back to you the very next time. But it brings up something else I was going to ask about, because I feel somehow - I've always felt like this - that I have a great connection to the invention of playing cards. It so happens that linearly speaking, in my family genealogy, there is a king that did invent playing cards. I forget which Edward he was - I think he was an Edward - and I've always kind of thought that I was him. Oh, excuse me, he wasn't an Edward, he was Henry VII.

ELIAS: (Laughing) And are you referring to the same individual as...

MARGOT: The naughty king? No. (Elias laughs) Did I have anything to do with the playing cards thing?

ELIAS: Ah! Not as that individual.

MARGOT: Perhaps as his wife?

ELIAS: No, but as an individual that offered a suggestion of design.

MARGOT: Very good! I knew I had something to do with that! Thank you!

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

MARGOT: And I'll get back to you about the really, really bad king.

ELIAS: (Humorously) I incorporate no doubt that you shall discover your slithering self in this individual!

MARGOT: (Laughs) Okay!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! And you have already offered yourself his name!

MARGOT: Oh, it's one of the Edwards! (Elias laughs)

Okay! Going to Egypt now! I think in the Egyptian chapter focus that I am a scribe in the Alexandria library and that my name may be Malmo. (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: Is that a girl's name or a boy's name?

ELIAS: Male.

MARGOT: I feel that what I did as a scribe was to copy manuscripts that were brought in, and I would set up the new text for the library in Alexandria.

ELIAS: Yes, one of several.

MARGOT: Yes, I've got it.

I hold the impression that I have been female in my focuses much more than male, almost at a 2/3 ratio I'd say, or something like, oh, 1400 out of the 1802?

ELIAS: Yes, your impression is correct.

MARGOT: I also feel that I've been white, European stock, more often than I have of any other race or culture. Would that be true?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: And could you give me, while I've kind of gotten into that, how many eastern or Oriental focuses I've had? (Pause)

ELIAS: Eastern Oriental, 129.

MARGOT: Thank you. I just haven't even looked at those. I hadn't even thought about looking at those. I'll start doing that now.

The other day I did something that I've never done before. I've never picked out a focus of somebody that I know; I just don't seem to get into that. But the other day, I was going through some things and I got an impression that Lawrence Durrell, the English novelist, is Vicki. (Pause)

ELIAS: Correct.

MARGOT: Thank you. That was so strange, the way that came. I like that! I'd like to do that some more! (Elias chuckles)

HOWARD: I've got my hand up! I know, I know! Edward the First! (Elias begins chuckling)

MARGOT: Oh, okay - is that true?

ELIAS: I shall allow Giselle to investigate herself! (Continues chuckling)

(Humorously) Bosht! I may express to you, shame, shame! You are interrupting and denying Giselle the pleasure in discovering herself in her disgust! (Margot laughs)

HOWARD: Yes, but we have Braveheart on the other side!

ELIAS: I am quite understanding! (Margot and Howard begin cracking up) But the point is to offer Giselle the opportunity to be creating fun and entertainment for herself in her discovery of her nastiness!

HOWARD: Properly chastised! (Elias laughs) I'll go out and sit in the snow!

ELIAS: (Laughing) Very well! Ha ha ha ha!

MARGOT: In a session that you had with Deane, he asked you about an experience that he's been having evidently several times, that he will space-out. This really interested me because everything strange that happens in my life, I have always said, well, that's a transition thing. I was intrigued with what you told Deane about the fact that when we space-out, or at least when he spaces-out, it's a technique or a method to avoid shift trauma. So I decided that perhaps I had better ask you how I can tell the difference between shift trauma and transition, because to me so far, I can always seem to connect whenever I space-out or become confused, or whatever happens, I just have automatically gone to the place where I say, well, this is part of transition. Can you give me any guidelines on that?

ELIAS: I may express to you, Giselle, for the most part what you generate is associated with transition.

MARGOT: So when I space-out, that would be transition and not a way to avoid shift trauma?

ELIAS: Correct.

MARGOT: Okay, all right, that's settled, done. It's always worked for me to call it that, so I'll go on with that.

Even though I've been aware for years that my house here is full of essences, suddenly I've started thinking about that in just a little more detail, perhaps. If I did hold an observing essence right now - which I don't, you've told me that - would the one who observes be one of what I call my "house essences?"

ELIAS: Not necessarily.

MARGOT: So the observing essence, so to speak, in my terminology, doesn't always do it up close, like in my house.

ELIAS: What you are expressing and describing presently would not necessarily apply in association with an observing essence, for what you are noticing within your dwelling is an allowance of an awareness of other essences which occupy the same space arrangement, so to speak. In relation to an observing essence, the observing essence merges with the focus essence.

MARGOT: Yes, I felt that.

ELIAS: Therefore, it is not an expression of what you recognize as essences occupying the same space arrangement. These are essences that are cooperating together in mergence as focused and observing, and therefore figuratively speaking are one within a particular time framework. This is quite figuratively speaking, in your terms; for in actuality, there is no separation and all essences are one, so to speak. But in terms of what you are addressing to in this question, I may express to you a differentiation.

MARGOT: So in regard to what I'm referring to as house essences or essences that are here, did they choose me or did I choose them? Is this a dumb question or not?

ELIAS. No. I may express to you, in relation to beliefs within your physical dimension this is an automatic association and understandable. I may express to you, the nature of your question associates with beliefs concerning essences that may be recognized within a particular space arrangement and the individual's association with guides or helpfulness.

Now; therefore, your question is understandable. I may express to you more accurately, you are recognizing the presence of other essences besides yourself which occupy the same space arrangement. This is not necessarily an expression of those essences choosing you or you choosing them in relation to an interaction. As all dimensions occupy the same space arrangement, their configuration of that space arrangement may or may not be quite different.

MARGOT: Oh yes, I can see that now!

ELIAS: Therefore you may hold an awareness of their presence, recognizing that your space arrangement is occupied by more essences than merely yourselves, but that occupation of space arrangement may not necessarily be in association with your physical dimension.

MARGOT: Right, I see that. I had forgotten about that. Thank you, that is helpful.

I didn't look at the time, Elias, when we started. Am I close to being done?

ELIAS: You may incorporate one more question.

MARGOT: Okay. In dreams that I've had quite a while back, I was called by one of three names in the dreams, not in the same dreams. But I'd like to tell you these names and see if you can help point me in the way to where I might find me.

One of the names was Soni, S-O-N-I, or Soli, S-O-L-I.

ELIAS: S-O-N-I.

MARGOT: Can you give me a clue where that is, where I am?

ELIAS: This is a focus within central-eastern Africa.

MARGOT: Are you going to give me a time framework, or am I out of questions on that? (Laughing)

ELIAS: (Laughs) Time framework, early 1800s.

MARGOT: And the other name - and it was clear to me in the dream that I was male - and the name was Grenae. G-R-E-N-A-E is what I woke up with. (Pause)

ELIAS: This is an other-dimensional focus.

MARGOT: Okay, that's fine! Do you have anything, Howard? More than what you've already been able to add to this session?

ELIAS: Ah! Have you returned from the snow? (Howard and Margot begin laughing and Elias chuckles)

HOWARD: I only have one ... two. Quickly, Henry Clay and Jimmy Carter - are they focuses of mine?

ELIAS: No.

HOWARD: All right, thank you.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

MARGOT: I guess that's all, Elias!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! (Humorously) I may express to you, my friend, to be enjoying your playfulness in your discovery of your despicableness.

MARGOT: (Laughing) I'll enjoy it very much, Elias!

ELIAS: (Laughs) I shall be anticipating a full report of your vile expressions and how very much you despise yourself! (Margot and Howard laugh)

MARGOT: And I'll have that all set for you when I see you the next time!

ELIAS: Very well! Ha ha ha ha! In anticipation of our next meeting, I express to you affectionately, my dear friends, au revoir.

MARGOT: 'Bye, Elias.

Elias departs at 3:00 PM.

(1) Refer to Session #902, 9/13/01.

(2) Transcriber's note: Elias pronounced this city or area as SHI-kwan. "Shiquan" may or may not be the correct spelling; I was unable to find a reference to a city of that name, although there is a Shiquan River valley in China.

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